alt.certification.network-plus - Desperately seeking solution

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Desperately seeking solution

SIacker

2002-09-19, 10:28 am

Greetings,

I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98 boxes
sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows 98 box to the
mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a broadband connection. I
tried using a different hub and got the same results. Any ideas?

Thanks alot
John

MCSEwannabe

2002-09-19, 10:28 am

siacker@aol.com (SIacker) wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98
> boxes sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows
> 98 box to the mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a
> broadband connection. I tried using a different hub and got the same
> results. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks alot
> John
>

What's sharing the connection? ICS? a NAT/router?

Not enough IP addresses?
Cables too long? Bad cable?
On your 5 port hub, are all ports set to straight through or is the 5th
port a cross-over?

MCSEwannabe

2002-09-19, 11:28 am

Mark Reed

2002-09-19, 11:28 am

Spend $50 and but a Linksys cable router off ebay.

easier...more stable....less hassle.

siacker@aol.com (SIacker) wrote in
news:20020919110209.05500.00005659@mb-fc.aol.com:

> Greetings,
>
> I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98
> boxes sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows
> 98 box to the mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a
> broadband connection. I tried using a different hub and got the same
> results. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks alot
> John

Matthew Buker

2002-09-19, 11:29 am

I agree getting a linksys router makes life much easier for small home
networks.

"SIacker" <siacker@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020919110209.05500.00005659@mb-fc.aol.com...
> Greetings,
>
> I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98 boxes
> sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows 98 box to
the
> mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a broadband connection.
I
> tried using a different hub and got the same results. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks alot
> John

Mark Reed

2002-09-19, 12:29 pm

Matthew Buker

2002-09-19, 12:29 pm

Jason Roberts

2002-09-19, 12:29 pm

I also use/agree with the Linksys Router/4port switch. Hail Linksys!

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"Mark Reed" <mreed@reedassociates.com> wrote in message
news:Xns928E80BEB20F8mreedreed
associatesc@216.168.3.40...
>
> Spend $50 and but a Linksys cable router off ebay.
>
> easier...more stable....less hassle.
>
>
> siacker@aol.com (SIacker) wrote in
> news:20020919110209.05500.00005659@mb-fc.aol.com:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98
> > boxes sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows
> > 98 box to the mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a
> > broadband connection. I tried using a different hub and got the same
> > results. Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks alot
> > John
>

Jason Roberts

2002-09-19, 1:29 pm

Hcetrepus

2002-09-27, 3:29 pm

That will no doubt solve his problem but come on! Will that be your
solution given to a customer? ASSuME that he/your customer doens't have the
cash for a router. :~)
"Jason Roberts" <jroberts25@snet.net> wrote in message
news:KCni9.2017$Ec.768026639@newssvr10.news.prodigy.com...
> I also use/agree with the Linksys Router/4port switch. Hail Linksys!
>
> --
> ----------------------------------
> Jason M Roberts
> http://fairfieldnet.com
> ----------------------------------
> "Mark Reed" <mreed@reedassociates.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns928E80BEB20F8mreedreed
associatesc@216.168.3.40...
> >
> > Spend $50 and but a Linksys cable router off ebay.
> >
> > easier...more stable....less hassle.
> >
> >
> > siacker@aol.com (SIacker) wrote in
> > news:20020919110209.05500.00005659@mb-fc.aol.com:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98
> > > boxes sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows
> > > 98 box to the mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a
> > > broadband connection. I tried using a different hub and got the same
> > > results. Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks alot
> > > John
> >
>
>

Hcetrepus

2002-09-27, 3:29 pm

<<I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98 boxes
sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows 98 box to
the
mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a broadband connection. I
tried using a different hub and got the same results. Any ideas?
>>

Are you setting this up through the ICS feature? When you add the fourth
PC.. it receives the broadband connection? Is the same PC dropped each time
you add the additional PC?

Don't leave us in the dark... let us know where you are at here, and please
share your fix with us if/ when you get it.

Judd
"SIacker" <siacker@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020919110209.05500.00005659@mb-fc.aol.com...
> Greetings,
>
> I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98 boxes
> sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows 98 box to
the
> mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a broadband connection.
I
> tried using a different hub and got the same results. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks alot
> John

Hcetrepus

2002-09-27, 4:29 pm

Hcetrepus

2002-09-27, 4:29 pm

Barry Watzman

2002-09-27, 5:29 pm

It sounds like he's NOT using ICS, it sounds like he simply has the
cable modem and 3 PCs plugged into 4 ports of a 5 port hub.

I'm surprised that it works at all. In this situation, the cable modem
is acting as a DHCP server, and is issuing 3 IP addresses. This is VERY
unusual, normally, you get ONE IP address, period, unless you PAY the
cable company for more (and the going rate is $5 to $15 per IP address
..... PER MONTH, each and every month). Three addresses (an extra two)
could EASILY cost $240 per year. A Linksys router suddenly sounds not
expensive, but CHEAP, because it saves you the extra IP addresses).

Anyway, what's happening, I would guess, is that [whether he's paying
for them or not] the cable modem can only issue 3 IP addresses (this is
under the cable company's control), so when a 4th PC is plugged in, one
of the PC's is screwed and can't get an ip address.

THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY TO HOOK 2 OR 3 OR 4 OR ANY NUMBER OF COMPUTERS
GREATER THAN ONE UP TO A CABLE (OR DSL) MODEM.

There are two ways to do this "right":

1. Use a LinkSys or similar router/switch. Yes, I most certainly would
recommend this to a customer. It's the RIGHT way to do it, and it's the
BEST way to do it.

But, if the customer is really, really cheap:

2. The alternate way it to use ICS. In this case, ONE of the PCs gets
TWO network cards. One of the network cards in this PC hooks directly
to the cable modem. The other hooks to the switch or hub, along with
the other two PCs. You then need to run some "sharing" software on the
PC with the cable modem connection to get this working. ICS will do (it
comes with Windows ME and XP and it's free), but there are better
solutions (my favorite is NAT32 at www.NAT32.com). But, except for
Microsoft's own ICS, the other software solutions cost as much as the
router.

Both of these methods will use only a SINGLE IP address from the cable
company, not one per machine.

The router is the right way to do this. If you use method #2, you still
need a second NIC, you need additional software (and except for ICS, the
software will cost almost as much as the router), and the PC with the
cable modem connection has to be on WHENEVER ANY of the other computers
is in use.

Go with the router. They are down to under $50.

Hcetrepus wrote:
> <<I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98 boxes
> sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows 98 box to
> the
> mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a broadband connection. I
> tried using a different hub and got the same results. Any ideas?
>
>
> Are you setting this up through the ICS feature? When you add the fourth
> PC.. it receives the broadband connection? Is the same PC dropped each time
> you add the additional PC?
>
> Don't leave us in the dark... let us know where you are at here, and please
> share your fix with us if/ when you get it.
>
> Judd
> "SIacker" <siacker@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020919110209.05500.00005659@mb-fc.aol.com...
>
>>Greetings,
>>
>>I have a netlink five port hub with three non-networked windows 98 boxes
>>sharing the cable modem connection. When I add a fourth windows 98 box to
>
> the
>
>>mix one computer is always dropped and cannot get a broadband connection.
>
> I
>
>>tried using a different hub and got the same results. Any ideas?
>>
>>Thanks alot
>>John
>
>
>

MCSEwannabe

2002-09-27, 7:29 pm

Barry Watzman <Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote:

> There are two ways to do this "right":
>
> 1. Use a LinkSys or similar router/switch. Yes, I most certainly
>
> 2. The alternate way it to use ICS. In this case, ONE of the PCs

<---mucho snippo--->

For the adventurous, there's yet another another choice. Take an old PC,
any speed pentium will do, install 2 NICs and load one of the Linux router
distributions. Smoothwall, LRP, IPCop, Coyote, Freesco, etc. If one of the
default configurations suit your setup, it's rather painless.

Barry Watzman

2002-09-27, 7:29 pm

That is no different than my choice #2 except that you did it on a
dedicated PC, and it happened to be running Linux instead of Windows (of
whatever flavor).

MCSEwannabe wrote:
> Barry Watzman <Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>There are two ways to do this "right":
>>
>>1. Use a LinkSys or similar router/switch. Yes, I most certainly
>>
>>2. The alternate way it to use ICS. In this case, ONE of the PCs
>
>
> <---mucho snippo--->
>
> For the adventurous, there's yet another another choice. Take an old PC,
> any speed pentium will do, install 2 NICs and load one of the Linux router
> distributions. Smoothwall, LRP, IPCop, Coyote, Freesco, etc. If one of the
> default configurations suit your setup, it's rather painless.
>

MCSEwannabe

2002-09-27, 8:29 pm

Barry Watzman

2002-09-27, 8:29 pm

MCSEwannabe

2002-09-27, 8:29 pm

Barry Watzman <Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote:

> That is no different than my choice #2 except that you did it on a
> dedicated PC, and it happened to be running Linux instead of Windows
> (of whatever flavor).

No different, except that it requires less hardware resources than a
windows box (although dedicated to the task), and you get a real firewall
besides the ICS/NAT function.

>
> MCSEwannabe wrote:
>> Barry Watzman <Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There are two ways to do this "right":
>>>
>>>1. Use a LinkSys or similar router/switch. Yes, I most certainly
>>>
>>>2. The alternate way it to use ICS. In this case, ONE of the PCs
>>
>>
>> <---mucho snippo--->
>>
>> For the adventurous, there's yet another another choice. Take an old
>> PC, any speed pentium will do, install 2 NICs and load one of the
>> Linux router distributions. Smoothwall, LRP, IPCop, Coyote, Freesco,
>> etc. If one of the default configurations suit your setup, it's
>> rather painless.
>>
>
>

MCSEwannabe

2002-09-27, 9:29 pm

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