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| I have the task of securing 20 - 30 MS Windows PCs (Most 98, a few 2000)
with AntiVirus programs. The owners' budget wouldn't call for NAV Corperate
Ed, so what would be a good inexpensive AntiVirus system to use? I plan to
use the free ZoneAlarm firewall on them also.
Thanx,
Phil
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| Phil Clark 2002-12-03, 6:24 pm |
| Phil, huh? Small world. 
I would try very hard to talk the owner into upping the budget to get Norton
Anti-Virus. It is hands down the absolute best anti-virus package available
today and it is FAR less expensive than loosing all data on the system
because a free software package let a virus slip through. All it takes is
one virus to completely trash all data on those systems.
Remind him that you get what you pay for, freeware is generally not reliable
and ask him if he could afford to reformat and reload the hard drives of
even one or two systems when (not if) it happens.
I once did my wife's company a favor and went in to eliminate virii on their
computers... I was there for 3 days working on it. And much of the data on
the disks and drives I worked on was corrupted beyond repair. They were
lucky that the files were non-essential. Usually that isn't the case.
Oh, and put all of this in writing so that when he says no, and something
happens, you have backup to prove that you recommended NAV. It is a C.Y.A.
world my friend.
--
Phil Clark
"Phil" <pentiumphil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uuqfhbt6g7vd4@corp.supernews.com...
> I have the task of securing 20 - 30 MS Windows PCs (Most 98, a few 2000)
> with AntiVirus programs. The owners' budget wouldn't call for NAV
Corperate
> Ed, so what would be a good inexpensive AntiVirus system to use? I plan to
> use the free ZoneAlarm firewall on them also.
>
> Thanx,
> Phil
>
>
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| Steven L Umbach 2002-12-03, 7:24 pm |
| I see Newegg.com is selling Norton Antivirus for $23 per OEM copy. I
would call that inexpensive. Ask him how much it would cost him to have the
whole network down for a day or two and maybe lose data. I like Norton
because it does auto updates for a year, update their database frequently,
and scans outgoing emails - a must have. I am sure McAffee and others are
good, but I have not used them. Make sure ALL computers run Windows update
on a frequent basis also. Good luck. --- Steve
http://newegg.com/
"Phil" <pentiumphil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uuqfhbt6g7vd4@corp.supernews.com...
> I have the task of securing 20 - 30 MS Windows PCs (Most 98, a few 2000)
> with AntiVirus programs. The owners' budget wouldn't call for NAV
Corperate
> Ed, so what would be a good inexpensive AntiVirus system to use? I plan to
> use the free ZoneAlarm firewall on them also.
>
> Thanx,
> Phil
>
>
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| baglicker 2002-12-03, 7:24 pm |
| try AVG. They have a free download and free virus definition updates.
www.grisoft.com
It'll do the trick. Auto updates and scheduled scans. Kept my server in
the clear!....LOL
"Phil" <pentiumphil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uuqfhbt6g7vd4@corp.supernews.com...
> I have the task of securing 20 - 30 MS Windows PCs (Most 98, a few 2000)
> with AntiVirus programs. The owners' budget wouldn't call for NAV
Corperate
> Ed, so what would be a good inexpensive AntiVirus system to use? I plan to
> use the free ZoneAlarm firewall on them also.
>
> Thanx,
> Phil
>
>
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| KevinSmith@CoreCom.net 2002-12-03, 8:24 pm |
| On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:28:20 -0800, "Phil" <pentiumphil@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I have the task of securing 20 - 30 MS Windows PCs (Most 98, a few 2000)
>with AntiVirus programs. The owners' budget wouldn't call for NAV Corperate
>Ed, so what would be a good inexpensive AntiVirus system to use? I plan to
>use the free ZoneAlarm firewall on them also.
>
>Thanx,
>Phil
>
You can not use the free zone alarm. That is for home use only.
You can get norton individual packs for about $20-$30. If the owner
won't pay for that, you shouldn't be working for them.
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| ThePsyko 2002-12-03, 11:24 pm |
| On 03 Dec 2002 in alt.binaries.hacking.beginner, "Phil Clark"
<pclark45@charter.net> made his/her contribution to mankind by stating
in news:uuqhpi6i53j42b@corp.supernews.com:
> Phil, huh? Small world.
>
> I would try very hard to talk the owner into upping the budget to get
> Norton Anti-Virus. It is hands down the absolute best anti-virus
> package available today and it is FAR less expensive than loosing all
> data on the system because a free software package let a virus slip
> through. All it takes is one virus to completely trash all data on
> those systems.
>
> Remind him that you get what you pay for, freeware is generally not
> reliable and ask him if he could afford to reformat and reload the
> hard drives of even one or two systems when (not if) it happens.
>
> I once did my wife's company a favor and went in to eliminate virii on
> their computers... I was there for 3 days working on it. And much of
> the data on the disks and drives I worked on was corrupted beyond
> repair. They were lucky that the files were non-essential. Usually
> that isn't the case.
>
> Oh, and put all of this in writing so that when he says no, and
> something happens, you have backup to prove that you recommended NAV.
> It is a C.Y.A. world my friend.
>
> --
> Phil Clark
>
I second this post... If he's a cheap bastard, fudge the licensing, NOT
the product..
--
ThePsyko
Public Enemy #7
"God told me to skin you alive"
http://prozac.iscool.net
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| Phil Clark 2002-12-04, 12:24 am |
| Whoa now... Lets not suggest anything like that. Must keep the licensing
legal. I absolutely refuse to do anything un-toward at work. It is just
asking for trouble. What people do at home, well... that is their business.
--
Phil Clark
"ThePsyko" <thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92D9D5E2B205BIWishIWas
@marashouse.org...
> On 03 Dec 2002 in alt.binaries.hacking.beginner, "Phil Clark"
> <pclark45@charter.net> made his/her contribution to mankind by stating
> in news:uuqhpi6i53j42b@corp.supernews.com:
>
> I second this post... If he's a cheap bastard, fudge the licensing, NOT
> the product..
>
>
> --
> ThePsyko
> Public Enemy #7
> "God told me to skin you alive"
>
> http://prozac.iscool.net
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| Hey Phil
I think you need to do a little 'Risk Assessment' - write it out and submit
it to your boss. Two factors need to be considered 1, Cost of an event 2,
probablilty of an event.
You would need to know your employee 'bottom line' cost, but $25.00 per hour
(salary+taxes+benefits) should be a reasonable figure - multiplied by the
number of employees who would not be able to function correctly. If 100
staff that would mean $2500 per hour lost, just accounting for manpower and
that does not take into account lost revenue/turnover.
Take a threat - Virus is a fairly reasonable threat these days - the
probability would be about 90% according to some sources (this takes into
account many attacks not admitted to due to 'commercial sensitivity'.
Multiply that by the time needed to fix the problem and restore the system -
lets say 3 hrs? .... 3 hrs x $2500 = $7500, multiply that by 90% probability
rate and you have $6750 being the cost of the risk. And THAT is just for
one event.
see http://www.security-risk-analysis.com/introduction.htm for further
details.
I would like to thank Tcat Houser and Helen O'Boyle for their wonderful
paper on Security, from which I borrowed statistics for this example.
Anybody wishing to delve further down this path can visit
http://www.alphageekproductions.com - they will have a PDF of their
completed work available soon for $20 USD.
--
RussS
MCP W2K, A+, Net+
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| I have Norton AntiVirus Corperate Edition Server and Client Setup CD's, but
I would prefer not to "just use" them on people I just "help out". Anyway, I
think NAV Corperate Server costs like 1000 bucks, and I hate lawsuits. Also,
the job for a Catholic Hospital that has around 60 PCs all around.
Thanx All,
-Phil C.
thats for "Coulombe", Mr. Clark : ))
"Phil Clark" <pclark45@charter.net> wrote in message
news:uuqhpi6i53j42b@corp.supernews.com...
> Phil, huh? Small world.
>
> I would try very hard to talk the owner into upping the budget to get
Norton
> Anti-Virus. It is hands down the absolute best anti-virus package
available
> today and it is FAR less expensive than loosing all data on the system
> because a free software package let a virus slip through. All it takes is
> one virus to completely trash all data on those systems.
>
> Remind him that you get what you pay for, freeware is generally not
reliable
> and ask him if he could afford to reformat and reload the hard drives of
> even one or two systems when (not if) it happens.
>
> I once did my wife's company a favor and went in to eliminate virii on
their
> computers... I was there for 3 days working on it. And much of the data on
> the disks and drives I worked on was corrupted beyond repair. They were
> lucky that the files were non-essential. Usually that isn't the case.
>
> Oh, and put all of this in writing so that when he says no, and something
> happens, you have backup to prove that you recommended NAV. It is a C.Y.A.
> world my friend.
>
> --
> Phil Clark
>
>
>
> "Phil" <pentiumphil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uuqfhbt6g7vd4@corp.supernews.com...
> > I have the task of securing 20 - 30 MS Windows PCs (Most 98, a few 2000)
> > with AntiVirus programs. The owners' budget wouldn't call for NAV
> Corperate
> > Ed, so what would be a good inexpensive AntiVirus system to use? I plan
to
> > use the free ZoneAlarm firewall on them also.
> >
> > Thanx,
> > Phil
> >
> >
>
>
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| I have Norton AntiVirus Corperate Edition Server and Client Setup CD's, but
I would prefer not to "just use" them on people I just "help out". Anyway, I
think NAV Corperate Server costs like 1000 bucks, and I hate lawsuits. Also,
the job for a Catholic Hospital that has around 60 PCs all around.
Thanx All,
-Phil C.
thats for "Coulombe", Mr. Clark : ))
"Phil Clark" <pclark45@charter.net> wrote in message
news:uuqhpi6i53j42b@corp.supernews.com...
> Phil, huh? Small world.
>
> I would try very hard to talk the owner into upping the budget to get
Norton
> Anti-Virus. It is hands down the absolute best anti-virus package
available
> today and it is FAR less expensive than loosing all data on the system
> because a free software package let a virus slip through. All it takes is
> one virus to completely trash all data on those systems.
>
> Remind him that you get what you pay for, freeware is generally not
reliable
> and ask him if he could afford to reformat and reload the hard drives of
> even one or two systems when (not if) it happens.
>
> I once did my wife's company a favor and went in to eliminate virii on
their
> computers... I was there for 3 days working on it. And much of the data on
> the disks and drives I worked on was corrupted beyond repair. They were
> lucky that the files were non-essential. Usually that isn't the case.
>
> Oh, and put all of this in writing so that when he says no, and something
> happens, you have backup to prove that you recommended NAV. It is a C.Y.A.
> world my friend.
>
> --
> Phil Clark
>
>
>
> "Phil" <pentiumphil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uuqfhbt6g7vd4@corp.supernews.com...
> > I have the task of securing 20 - 30 MS Windows PCs (Most 98, a few 2000)
> > with AntiVirus programs. The owners' budget wouldn't call for NAV
> Corperate
> > Ed, so what would be a good inexpensive AntiVirus system to use? I plan
to
> > use the free ZoneAlarm firewall on them also.
> >
> > Thanx,
> > Phil
> >
> >
>
>
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| Thierry Philippet 2002-12-05, 2:24 am |
| Phil,
I had implemented Mac Afee on a company after testing some anti-virus, with
a stand alone computer with voluntary virus on it.
The result is that the most efficient is the Mac Afee. Effectively, it
cleaned 99% of virus on hard and removal disk with the standard parameters,
and allof tested virus with an appropriate configuration that can be easy to
have.
On my ex-company, we equaly used the Mac Afee, and we didn't have any virus.
I use it (ver.4.5.1) at home and I never update my Mac Afee and I always
have the last definition, and that without paying anything and it come by
FTP when a new definition are available I have ear that for having the same
with NAV, you must pay...
Thierry Philippet
"Phil" <pentiumphil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uuqfhbt6g7vd4@corp.supernews.com...
> I have the task of securing 20 - 30 MS Windows PCs (Most 98, a few 2000)
> with AntiVirus programs. The owners' budget wouldn't call for NAV
Corperate
> Ed, so what would be a good inexpensive AntiVirus system to use? I plan to
> use the free ZoneAlarm firewall on them also.
>
> Thanx,
> Phil
>
>
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| Spring 2002-12-05, 3:24 pm |
| I have nod32 after avp and I think is very good product with daily updates.
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| HarBeK 2002-12-05, 8:24 pm |
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"ThePsyko" <thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92D9D5E2B205BIWishIWas
@marashouse.org...
> On 03 Dec 2002 in alt.binaries.hacking.beginner, "Phil Clark"
> <pclark45@charter.net> made his/her contribution to mankind by stating
> in news:uuqhpi6i53j42b@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > Phil, huh? Small world.
> >
> > I would try very hard to talk the owner into upping the budget to get
> > Norton Anti-Virus. It is hands down the absolute best anti-virus
> > package available today and it is FAR less expensive than loosing all
> > data on the system because a free software package let a virus slip
> > through. All it takes is one virus to completely trash all data on
> > those systems.
> >
> > Remind him that you get what you pay for, freeware is generally not
> > reliable and ask him if he could afford to reformat and reload the
> > hard drives of even one or two systems when (not if) it happens.
> >
> > I once did my wife's company a favor and went in to eliminate virii on
> > their computers... I was there for 3 days working on it. And much of
> > the data on the disks and drives I worked on was corrupted beyond
> > repair. They were lucky that the files were non-essential. Usually
> > that isn't the case.
> >
> > Oh, and put all of this in writing so that when he says no, and
> > something happens, you have backup to prove that you recommended NAV.
> > It is a C.Y.A. world my friend.
> >
> > --
> > Phil Clark
> >
>
> I second this post... If he's a cheap bastard, fudge the licensing, NOT
> the product..
>
>
> --
> ThePsyko
> Public Enemy #7
> "God told me to skin you alive"
>
> http://prozac.iscool.net
McAffee? Norton?.... The one who stated you will never have 100%
security is quite correct. I have a decent plan in operation and still
certain
things get through. NSW2002PE from symantec, have shied away from
McAffee due to the number of systems I've debugged where this was the
only Anti-Virus solution in operation and from experience have implemented
a fairly good solution. AV software? Run McAffee, Norton's, AVG, FProt,
PC Cillan, and whatever else is available - all on the same system. What
one
program misses, possibly the other will catch.....this is the only thing
that has
worked so far. McAffee sent me two bad CD's that immediately screwed
up two systems upon installation. Norton's mis-diagnosed the Chernobyl
virus on this system (they've recently updated this problem thankfully) and
I have additional software helping to insure these programs are performing
their duties.
Note: Cherobyl carried over from old Pentium II 333MHz
(that is now a Pentium II 400MHz.....) in files transferred upon putting
the 700 together.....ah well. Pick viruses like flies, stop system accesses
COLD.
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