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| Bill Fargo 2004-05-01, 11:30 pm |
| I have to wonder what it is about Cisco people that makes them such
utter assholes to newbies asking basic questions. People come here for
help but instead are treated to insults for daring to hope someone
here might be kind enough to help them out of a jam.
I first ran into this in 2001 when I came here while studying for my
CCNA. I now teach a CCNA class and thought I'd check it out before
suggesting my students use it as a resource. But, just like back then,
if you need help and ask a beginner'ss question you won't get an
answer, you'll just have half a dozen losers call you stupid.
Grow up. I know, I'm asking too much, but jeez, you must have the most
pathetic lives ever.
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"Bill Fargo" <BillyFargo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have to wonder what it is about Cisco people that makes them such
> utter assholes to newbies asking basic questions. People come here for
> help but instead are treated to insults for daring to hope someone
> here might be kind enough to help them out of a jam.
>
> I first ran into this in 2001 when I came here while studying for my
> CCNA. I now teach a CCNA class and thought I'd check it out before
> suggesting my students use it as a resource. But, just like back then,
> if you need help and ask a beginner'ss question you won't get an
> answer, you'll just have half a dozen losers call you stupid.
>
> Grow up. I know, I'm asking too much, but jeez, you must have the most
> pathetic lives ever.
Does anybody else find it ironic that on the one hand, you're going around
telling other people to grow up, and on the other hand, you're calling
people 'pathetic' and 'assholes'? You know what they say about those who
live in glass houses....
Look, none of us here on this ng is obligated to help anybody. That's not
our job. If you want to hire one of us as a consultant to answer your
questions, that's one thing. But if you come here expecting free help,
well, you get what you pay for. If you want to post a question, somebody
here might help you out, and others might give you a boorish response. But
hey man, suck it up. That's the price you pay for possibly getting free
help. If you don't like it, fine, don't use the ng. Nobody's holding a gun
to your head.
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| binary 2004-05-02, 12:25 am |
| Bill, there are a lot of moderator and expert wannabe,XXXX them, don't give
a damn about it. Just continue asking if you are in doubt. This is a
newsgroup, if they don't like your question, ask them to XXXX off. That's
what I did, I asked a couple of question, few guys said that I am stupid and
aked me to use google, wat a "duh". I XXXX them, asked them to leave if
they don't like. I can't remember the name coz i don't give damn about it.
"Bill Fargo" <BillyFargo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have to wonder what it is about Cisco people that makes them such
> utter assholes to newbies asking basic questions. People come here for
> help but instead are treated to insults for daring to hope someone
> here might be kind enough to help them out of a jam.
>
> I first ran into this in 2001 when I came here while studying for my
> CCNA. I now teach a CCNA class and thought I'd check it out before
> suggesting my students use it as a resource. But, just like back then,
> if you need help and ask a beginner'ss question you won't get an
> answer, you'll just have half a dozen losers call you stupid.
>
> Grow up. I know, I'm asking too much, but jeez, you must have the most
> pathetic lives ever.
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| Ticking Timebomb 2004-05-02, 12:25 pm |
| "Bill Fargo" <BillyFargo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have to wonder what it is about Cisco people that makes them such
> utter assholes to newbies asking basic questions. People come here for
> help but instead are treated to insults for daring to hope someone
> here might be kind enough to help them out of a jam.
>
> I first ran into this in 2001 when I came here while studying for my
> CCNA. I now teach a CCNA class and thought I'd check it out before
> suggesting my students use it as a resource. But, just like back then,
> if you need help and ask a beginner'ss question you won't get an
> answer, you'll just have half a dozen losers call you stupid.
>
> Grow up. I know, I'm asking too much, but jeez, you must have the most
> pathetic lives ever.
Much anger this one has.
They have been helping me. And I ask a LOT of stupid questions.
If someone is rude, the delete button is eay to find.
Maybe you want to hate the ng because your students dont really need you.
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| Bernie 2004-05-02, 2:25 pm |
| On Sun, 02 May 2004 15:28:53 GMT, "Ticking Timebomb"
<ticking.timebomb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>"Bill Fargo" <BillyFargo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sbk8901a44ttu3avg5vkdhgi5
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>Much anger this one has.
>They have been helping me. And I ask a LOT of stupid questions.
>If someone is rude, the delete button is eay to find.
>Maybe you want to hate the ng because your students dont really need you.
Maybe he was one of the ones asking for braindumps back in 2001.
--Bernie
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| forbesl 2004-05-02, 5:31 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Bernie
Maybe he was one of the ones asking for braindumps back in 2001.
--Bernie
Anyone coming in asking for brain-dumps deserves the flaming he/she gets. | |
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| > Grow up. I know, I'm asking too much, but jeez, you must have the most
> pathetic lives ever.
They're probably related to the MGNP croanies from the micro$oft newsgroups.
Cheers
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| Techie 2004-05-02, 10:25 pm |
| Please get the title right its MCNGP, and we only flame retards and brain
dumpers
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Techie
MCNGP #21
"Bryan" <m.usercat.at@com.net> wrote in message
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> They're probably related to the MGNP croanies from the micro$oft
newsgroups.
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> Cheers
>
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| Johnny Routin 2004-05-03, 9:25 am |
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Part of being a successful in this business requires the ability to research
and figure out solutions on ones own. With search technologies such as
google it is no longer necessary for people to ask the same basic question
over and over in this forum when the answer could be found in 5 seconds with
a basic search. Perhaps your teaching style rewards laziness but you are not
doing your students any favors and you would better serve them by teaching
them the skills to research on their own before asking others for help. The
easy way out is not always the best way.
JR
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Johnny Routin
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"Bill Fargo" <BillyFargo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have to wonder what it is about Cisco people that makes them such
> utter assholes to newbies asking basic questions. People come here for
> help but instead are treated to insults for daring to hope someone
> here might be kind enough to help them out of a jam.
>
> I first ran into this in 2001 when I came here while studying for my
> CCNA. I now teach a CCNA class and thought I'd check it out before
> suggesting my students use it as a resource. But, just like back then,
> if you need help and ask a beginner'ss question you won't get an
> answer, you'll just have half a dozen losers call you stupid.
>
> Grow up. I know, I'm asking too much, but jeez, you must have the most
> pathetic lives ever.
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| Bernie 2004-05-03, 12:32 pm |
| On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:42:13 GMT, "Johnny Routin"
<jroutin@sexpistols.com> wrote:
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>Part of being a successful in this business requires the ability to research
>and figure out solutions on ones own. With search technologies such as
>google it is no longer necessary for people to ask the same basic question
>over and over in this forum when the answer could be found in 5 seconds with
>a basic search. Perhaps your teaching style rewards laziness but you are not
>doing your students any favors and you would better serve them by teaching
>them the skills to research on their own before asking others for help. The
>easy way out is not always the best way.
And people who ask questions are not generally flamed if it looks like
they have put some thought or effort into it.
--Bernie
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| Johnny Routin 2004-05-03, 4:33 pm |
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<<And people who ask questions are not generally flamed if it looks like
they have put some thought or effort into it.>>
Absolutely... thanks for pointing that out Bernie... the questions below,
while very similar, could exact two very different responses, one positive
and the other probably not so... one demonstrates effort on the requestors
part and the other demonstrates a lack thereof...
1. What IOS image should I use if I want to implement IDS on a router?
2. I've looked on CCO but I'm still not sure what image I should use if I
want to implement IDS on a router. Could someone point me in the right
direction?
JR
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"Bernie" <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:42:13 GMT, "Johnny Routin"
> <jroutin@sexpistols.com> wrote:
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> --Bernie
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| forbesl 2004-05-03, 7:18 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Routin
Part of being a successful in this business requires the ability to research
and figure out solutions on ones own. JR
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Totally agree. I'm amazed at the number of lazy individuals who continue to ask questions that can be found with a simple search either at Google or cisco.com. If they can't do research to find the answers, they shouldn't even be in the IT field or trying to get into the IT field. I have never called anyone stupid, but I will tell them to help themselves first before asking others to give them the answers.
Bill, if you aren't teaching your students how to do research, or are not providing the answers to their "basic questions", then you don't deserve to be a teacher. Or is it that you don't know the answers? Got a hint for you: A forum or newsgroup is not exactly a great research tool.
There are many people like me who will tell ng's to do a "google" if they ask a question with an easily found answer. Binary is probably one of the ones I told that to, and that's why he is upset.
I've heard that "those who can't, teach". That doesn't of course apply to all teachers, but as the years pass, I understand more and more why that statement is true in many cases. | |
| Johnny Routin 2004-05-04, 12:26 pm |
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Well said forbesl... after further thought, I think some of the problem
could be Bill has a teaching mindset. Teachers are taught that no question
is a stupid question and always provide a quick answer to the student. What
he does not consider is that this NG is not school and we are not teachers,
we are peers. Well, we are supposed to be anyway. He also forgets that there
are rules for participating in NGs and proper netiquette is expected of all
posters. There is such a thing as a stupid question here. The charter states
that people should check the FAQ and search the archives "before" asking a
question. Those who ignore the charter, do no research, and ask a basic
question that is asked weekly should not expect to be treated nicely. The
fact that Bill attempts to defend such actions shows his lack of usenet
"experience." It also shows he never read the charter and probably does not
even know that one exists.
JR
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Johnny Routin
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"forbesl" <forbesl.15pgss@mail.examnotes.net> wrote in message
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> Johnny Routin wrote:
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> Totally agree. I'm amazed at the number of lazy individuals who
> continue to ask questions that can be found with a simple search either
> at Google or cisco.com. If they can't do research to find the answers,
> they shouldn't even be in the IT field or trying to get into the IT
> field. I have never called anyone stupid, but I will tell them to help
> themselves first before asking others to give them the answers.
>
> Bill, if you aren't teaching your students how to do research, or are
> not providing the answers to their "basic questions", then you don't
> deserve to be a teacher. Or is it that you don't know the answers?
> Got a hint for you: A forum or newsgroup is not exactly a great
> research tool.
>
> There are many people like me who will tell ng's to do a "google" if
> they ask a question with an easily found answer. Binary is probably
> one of the ones I told that to, and that's why he is upset.
>
> I've heard that "those who can't, teach". That doesn't of course apply
> to all teachers, but as the years pass, I understand more and more why
> that statement is true in many cases.
>
>
> forbesl
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"Johnny Routin" <jroutin@sexpistols.com> wrote in message
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> Well said forbesl... after further thought, I think some of the problem
> could be Bill has a teaching mindset. Teachers are taught that no question
> is a stupid question and always provide a quick answer to the student.
What
> he does not consider is that this NG is not school and we are not
teachers,
> we are peers. Well, we are supposed to be anyway. He also forgets that
there
> are rules for participating in NGs and proper netiquette is expected of
all
> posters. There is such a thing as a stupid question here. The charter
states
> that people should check the FAQ and search the archives "before" asking a
> question. Those who ignore the charter, do no research, and ask a basic
> question that is asked weekly should not expect to be treated nicely. The
> fact that Bill attempts to defend such actions shows his lack of usenet
> "experience." It also shows he never read the charter and probably does
not
> even know that one exists.
I concur. Bill's a teacher. He gets paid to answer questions, even stupid
ones. That's part of his job, and that's what he gets paid to do. Nobody
is paying us. We don't get paid to answer stupid questions. Like I said
before, hire one of us as a consultant, and we'll be happy to answer all the
stupid questions you want. But if you want to get something for free, well,
you get what you pay for.
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> JR
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> Johnny Routin
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| Johnny Routin 2004-05-04, 4:26 pm |
| <<<I concur. Bill's a teacher. He gets paid to answer questions, even
stupid
ones. That's part of his job, and that's what he gets paid to do. Nobody
is paying us. We don't get paid to answer stupid questions. Like I said
before, hire one of us as a consultant, and we'll be happy to answer all the
stupid questions you want. But if you want to get something for free, well,
you get what you pay for.>>>
Well said as always nrf... hire me as a consultant as well and I'll answer
any and all stupid questions... and I'll do it with a smile!
JR
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"nrf" <noglikirf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Johnny Routin" <jroutin@sexpistols.com> wrote in message
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> I concur. Bill's a teacher. He gets paid to answer questions, even
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> ones. That's part of his job, and that's what he gets paid to do. Nobody
> is paying us. We don't get paid to answer stupid questions. Like I said
> before, hire one of us as a consultant, and we'll be happy to answer all
the
> stupid questions you want. But if you want to get something for free,
well,
> you get what you pay for.
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| Bernie 2004-05-05, 12:26 am |
| On Tue, 04 May 2004 15:29:07 GMT, "Johnny Routin"
<jroutin@sexpistols.com> wrote:
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>Well said forbesl... after further thought, I think some of the problem
>could be Bill has a teaching mindset. Teachers are taught that no question
>is a stupid question and always provide a quick answer to the student. What
>he does not consider is that this NG is not school and we are not teachers,
>we are peers. Well, we are supposed to be anyway. He also forgets that there
>are rules for participating in NGs and proper netiquette is expected of all
>posters. There is such a thing as a stupid question here. The charter states
>that people should check the FAQ and search the archives "before" asking a
>question. Those who ignore the charter, do no research, and ask a basic
>question that is asked weekly should not expect to be treated nicely. The
>fact that Bill attempts to defend such actions shows his lack of usenet
>"experience." It also shows he never read the charter and probably does not
>even know that one exists.
Well, he also seems to be under the silly impression that he would be
doing us a favor by referring his students to this group, and that by
not referring them to us he would be "hurting our business" so to
speak. Well, when we don't get paid to help out here, then it stands
to reason that we don't really *need* the business either. I think we
were supposed to feel like "oh my gosh, we could have had all of
Bill's students in here, but we were such short sighted jerks that we
missed out on that gravy train...maybe if we reform the group he will
reconsider..." Silly Bill for thinking we care...
--Bernie
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| Johnny Routin 2004-05-05, 12:25 pm |
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You da man Bernie! I always enjoy the insight of your thought process.
All the best!
JR
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"Bernie" <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 04 May 2004 15:29:07 GMT, "Johnny Routin"
> <jroutin@sexpistols.com> wrote:
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> Well, he also seems to be under the silly impression that he would be
> doing us a favor by referring his students to this group, and that by
> not referring them to us he would be "hurting our business" so to
> speak. Well, when we don't get paid to help out here, then it stands
> to reason that we don't really *need* the business either. I think we
> were supposed to feel like "oh my gosh, we could have had all of
> Bill's students in here, but we were such short sighted jerks that we
> missed out on that gravy train...maybe if we reform the group he will
> reconsider..." Silly Bill for thinking we care...
>
> --Bernie
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| edmonds_robert 2004-05-11, 11:06 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by nrf
[...]We don't get paid to answer stupid questions.[...]
You mean you don't have users where you work?  | |
| npo3po 2004-05-25, 8:20 pm |
| What a load of bullshit! You guys think you're representative of everybody or something, like someone elected yall as a tribal chiefs, no, no, no, you don't stand for me nor do i believe in your opinions, now this fella Bill Fargo might have come to the "wrong" ng but you certainly provide yourselfs as examples of why he considers cisco certs "assholes."
Secondly of all, if i came across a post by somebody making an insanely basic question, uhhmmm....gee...what's a router?....then i wouldn't even waste my time on it, but i certainly wouldn't flame them, cause i don't have time for either!
Now i'm on my way to becoming a ccie and i will get my b.s.e in computer engineering as well, because that's what i like and i'll do everything in my power to make sure i am the best or one of the best at what i do, and some young buck approached me with a ccna q, that show he's done his homework but still confused, i'll explain what they need to know and also where to go if they need more help, not flame them, just because i am a "ccie."
Too bad, i simply don't agree with your p.o.v's gentlemen!
laters | |
| forbesl 2004-05-26, 7:28 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by npo3po
What a load of bullshit! You guys think you're representative of everybody or something...
Nope, just expressing our opinion like everyone else.
quote:
Now i'm on my way to becoming a ccie and i will get my b.s.e in computer engineering as well...
So what? Is your opinion more valuable than ours now?
quote:
i'll explain what they need to know and also where to go if they need more help, not flame them, just because i am a "ccie."
But you're not a CCIE, are you?
quote:
Too bad, i simply don't agree with your p.o.v's gentlemen!
Back at ya... | |
| npo3po 2004-05-26, 9:03 am |
| don't fool yourself pal, criticize my post or not, i'm not on the same side of the street as folks like you. i'll never be, and i'm sure you feel the same way about me, but don't go parading around like your opinion counts for everybody else just because a few of your ng buddies are u backing up. | |
| forbesl 2004-05-26, 11:22 am |
| quote:
Originally posted by npo3po
don't fool yourself pal, criticize my post or not, i'm not on the same side of the street as folks like you. i'll never be, and i'm sure you feel the same way about me, but don't go parading around like your opinion counts for everybody else just because a few of your ng buddies are u backing up.
1) I'm not your "pal".
2) Do you mean "street" or "tracks"? Exactly what side of the "street" do you think we're on?
3) Never stated my opinion counted...just put it out there. I don't care if it counts or not. No parading here, unlike you. I'm not the one who felt like I had to presume how important my opinion was because "Now i'm on my way to becoming a ccie and i will get my b.s.e in computer engineering as well..." Get over yourself.
Just like you reserved the right to respond to my post (opinion), I reserve the right to respond to yours. | |
| smrkdown 2004-05-26, 10:25 pm |
| I feel the love. |
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