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hello,
i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but it's
hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but from reading
this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem to be
offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy program. i
was wondering what others thought of them. which courses would be good,
and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
www.nzice.com/domestic
www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
rog
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| Daniel Lawrence 2003-04-21, 4:24 pm |
| Just keep in mind that having the certifications alone will not get you a
job you need experience to go along with them.
--
Daniel Lawrence
A+, Network+
"rog" <h113862@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news an.2003.04.21.20.36.00.399639@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com...
>
> hello,
>
> i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but it's
> hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but from reading
> this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
>
> i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem to be
> offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy program. i
> was wondering what others thought of them. which courses would be good,
> and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
>
> www.nzice.com/domestic
> www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
>
> rog
>
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| JasonW 2003-04-21, 7:24 pm |
| True, but the academy at least gives students hands on training. In my
classes we designed a LAN for a school system and now are working on the WAN
portion for the same project. This forces the students to go through every
portion of investigating the equipment that is available, pricing it out,
drawing up the cut sheets, doing the logical layout, the physical layout,
adhering to customer specs, demonstrating knowledge of ACLs and IPX as well
as IP routing, showing how T1 leasing is done with the phone company, doing
a cost justification, then doing a presentation to the class as though
selling it to the school representatives.
While this is not exactly the same as the real world, it gives the students
a better grasp of what is involved than someone who just reads the book and
takes the test. Both can get the certification, but in my opinion the
academy provides a better foundation for a beginner who lacks prior
experience.
-JasonW
"Daniel Lawrence" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gEYoa.611$2g5.173584@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Just keep in mind that having the certifications alone will not get you a
> job you need experience to go along with them.
>
> --
> Daniel Lawrence
> A+, Network+
>
>
> "rog" <h113862@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2003.04.21.20.36.00.399639@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com...
> >
> > hello,
> >
> > i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but it's
> > hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but from
reading
> > this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
> >
> > i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem to be
> > offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy program. i
> > was wondering what others thought of them. which courses would be good,
> > and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
> >
> > www.nzice.com/domestic
> > www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
> >
> > rog
> >
>
>
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| Daniel Lawrence 2003-04-21, 9:24 pm |
| JasonW,
I agree but you have to admit that just a CCNA will not get you a job you
still need real world work experience (the catch 22 of IT)
--
Daniel Lawrence
A+, Network+
"JasonW" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:IN%oa.31197$Si4.16539@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> True, but the academy at least gives students hands on training. In my
> classes we designed a LAN for a school system and now are working on the
WAN
> portion for the same project. This forces the students to go through every
> portion of investigating the equipment that is available, pricing it out,
> drawing up the cut sheets, doing the logical layout, the physical layout,
> adhering to customer specs, demonstrating knowledge of ACLs and IPX as
well
> as IP routing, showing how T1 leasing is done with the phone company,
doing
> a cost justification, then doing a presentation to the class as though
> selling it to the school representatives.
>
> While this is not exactly the same as the real world, it gives the
students
> a better grasp of what is involved than someone who just reads the book
and
> takes the test. Both can get the certification, but in my opinion the
> academy provides a better foundation for a beginner who lacks prior
> experience.
>
> -JasonW
>
>
> "Daniel Lawrence" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gEYoa.611$2g5.173584@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Just keep in mind that having the certifications alone will not get you
a
> > job you need experience to go along with them.
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Lawrence
> > A+, Network+
> >
> >
> > "rog" <h113862@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > newsan.2003.04.21.20.36.00.399639@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com...
> > >
> > > hello,
> > >
> > > i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but
it's[
color=darkred]
> > > hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but from
> reading
> > > this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
> > >
> > > i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem to[/color]
be[co
lor=darkred]
> > > offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy program.[/color]
i[col
or=darkred]
> > > was wondering what others thought of them. which courses would be[/color]
good,
> > > and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
> > >
> > > www.nzice.com/domestic
> > > www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
> > >
> > > rog
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Binary Traveler 2003-04-22, 12:24 am |
| I won't say certifications without experience WON'T get someone a job. The
market is tuff and it isn't likely that people without experience will
easily find employment. But you hear of someone everyone now and then who
gets lucky. You have a better chance WITH it than WITHOUT it :P CCNA is a
good starting point if this is the field you are interested in going into.
However, it is just a starting point, you will need more. Even the big boys
started with no experience once upon a time :P Just so happens those
starting out now have it alot tuffer, due to the economy. If it's what you
want to do, I say go for it. And if you do it, I would highly recommend the
Cisco Networking Academy... hands on experience is priceless.. anyone can
read a book and know the theory :P Even something as basic as running cable
can be a complicated task if you've never done it.. Someone who has never
done it puts a big XXX ugly hole in my wall I'm going to kick their XXX :P
rofl.
I would suggest doing the CCNA and then the CCNP...followed by the CCSP..
(BTW: ANYONE with a CCNP.and of course a degree, which is required for all
special agents :P...even in this horrible economy.. the FBI has a horrid
lack of CCNPs and will put all CCNP applicants through an excelerated
entrance program (as long as you can pass all the BS entry shit like
background checks, etc..)... government ALWAYS has money, would do good to
remember that :P
Binary Traveler
"Daniel Lawrence" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gEYoa.611$2g5.173584@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Just keep in mind that having the certifications alone will not get you a
> job you need experience to go along with them.
>
> --
> Daniel Lawrence
> A+, Network+
> "rog" <h113862@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2003.04.21.20.36.00.399639@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com...
> >
> > hello,
> >
> > i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but it's
> > hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but from
reading
> > this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
> >
> > i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem to be
> > offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy program. i
> > was wondering what others thought of them. which courses would be good,
> > and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
> >
> > www.nzice.com/domestic
> > www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
> >
> > rog
> >
>
>
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| Daniel Lawrence 2003-04-22, 10:24 am |
| those that get ahead with just certifications and no experience have great
connections, or are just naturally gifted. Although the Academy is a good
start I think it stops short of what it should do, which in my humble
opinion should be CCNA/CCNP so you get more out of it and and in a stronger
position to land a job.
--
Daniel Lawrence
A+, Network+
"Binary Traveler" <darkemotions@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:IA3pa.36573$gK.145158@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> I won't say certifications without experience WON'T get someone a job.
The
> market is tuff and it isn't likely that people without experience will
> easily find employment. But you hear of someone everyone now and then who
> gets lucky. You have a better chance WITH it than WITHOUT it :P CCNA is
a
> good starting point if this is the field you are interested in going into.
> However, it is just a starting point, you will need more. Even the big
boys
> started with no experience once upon a time :P Just so happens those
> starting out now have it alot tuffer, due to the economy. If it's what
you
> want to do, I say go for it. And if you do it, I would highly recommend
the
> Cisco Networking Academy... hands on experience is priceless.. anyone can
> read a book and know the theory :P Even something as basic as running
cable
> can be a complicated task if you've never done it.. Someone who has never
> done it puts a big XXX ugly hole in my wall I'm going to kick their XXX :P
> rofl.
> I would suggest doing the CCNA and then the CCNP...followed by the CCSP..
> (BTW: ANYONE with a CCNP.and of course a degree, which is required for all
> special agents :P...even in this horrible economy.. the FBI has a horrid
> lack of CCNPs and will put all CCNP applicants through an excelerated
> entrance program (as long as you can pass all the BS entry shit like
> background checks, etc..)... government ALWAYS has money, would do good to
> remember that :P
>
> Binary Traveler
>
> "Daniel Lawrence" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gEYoa.611$2g5.173584@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Just keep in mind that having the certifications alone will not get you
a
> > job you need experience to go along with them.
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Lawrence
> > A+, Network+
> > "rog" <h113862@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > newsan.2003.04.21.20.36.00.399639@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com...
> > >
> > > hello,
> > >
> > > i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but
it's[
color=darkred]
> > > hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but from
> reading
> > > this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
> > >
> > > i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem to[/color]
be[co
lor=darkred]
> > > offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy program.[/color]
i[col
or=darkred]
> > > was wondering what others thought of them. which courses would be[/color]
good,
> > > and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
> > >
> > > www.nzice.com/domestic
> > > www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
> > >
> > > rog
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Binary Traveler 2003-04-22, 4:24 pm |
| Cisco Networking Academy does do the CCNA and the CCNP.. and the CCSP
actually.. it's constantly expanding..
Binary Traveler
"Daniel Lawrence" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:adcpa.1760$Zj2.341256@news20.bellglobal.com...
> those that get ahead with just certifications and no experience have great
> connections, or are just naturally gifted. Although the Academy is a good
> start I think it stops short of what it should do, which in my humble
> opinion should be CCNA/CCNP so you get more out of it and and in a
stronger
> position to land a job.
>
> --
> Daniel Lawrence
> A+, Network+
> "Binary Traveler" <darkemotions@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:IA3pa.36573$gK.145158@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > I won't say certifications without experience WON'T get someone a job.
> The
> > market is tuff and it isn't likely that people without experience will
> > easily find employment. But you hear of someone everyone now and then
who
> > gets lucky. You have a better chance WITH it than WITHOUT it :P CCNA
is
> a
> > good starting point if this is the field you are interested in going
into.
> > However, it is just a starting point, you will need more. Even the big
> boys
> > started with no experience once upon a time :P Just so happens those
> > starting out now have it alot tuffer, due to the economy. If it's what
> you
> > want to do, I say go for it. And if you do it, I would highly recommend
> the
> > Cisco Networking Academy... hands on experience is priceless.. anyone
can
> > read a book and know the theory :P Even something as basic as running
> cable
> > can be a complicated task if you've never done it.. Someone who has
never
> > done it puts a big XXX ugly hole in my wall I'm going to kick their XXX
:P
> > rofl.
> > I would suggest doing the CCNA and then the CCNP...followed by the
CCSP..
> > (BTW: ANYONE with a CCNP.and of course a degree, which is required for
all
> > special agents :P...even in this horrible economy.. the FBI has a horrid
> > lack of CCNPs and will put all CCNP applicants through an excelerated
> > entrance program (as long as you can pass all the BS entry shit like
> > background checks, etc..)... government ALWAYS has money, would do good
to
> > remember that :P
> >
> > Binary Traveler
> >
> > "Daniel Lawrence" <delphiworks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:gEYoa.611$2g5.173584@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > Just keep in mind that having the certifications alone will not get
you
> a
> > > job you need experience to go along with them.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel Lawrence
> > > A+, Network+
> > > "rog" <h113862@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > newsan.2003.04.21.20.36.00.399639@_NOSPAM_hotmail.com...
> > > >
> > > > hello,
> > > >
> > > > i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but
> it's
> > > > hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but from
> > reading
> > > > this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
> > > >
> > > > i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem
to
> be
> > > > offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy
program.
> i
> > > > was wondering what others thought of them. which courses would be
> good,
> > > > and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
> > > >
> > > > www.nzice.com/domestic
> > > > www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
> > > >
> > > > rog
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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thanks to everybody for the great feedback - i have learnt a lot.
one of the things i'm interested in, is that the cisco academy also
offers courses on UNIX and Java (and others). I have heard lots
of stories about how CCNA certified people find it difficult to
get a job on the certification alone. Would one of these others
be better? just looking through the newspapers, there seems to be more
jobs for java programmers than CCNA at the moment.
the courses don't seem to cost much, so i am considering doing all three!
hopefully multiple certifications in different areas is going to be better
than only one. what does everyone think?
rog
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:36:00 +1200, rog wrote:
>
> hello,
>
> i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but it's
> hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but from reading
> this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
>
> i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem to be
> offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy program. i
> was wondering what others thought of them. which courses would be good,
> and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
>
> www.nzice.com/domestic
> www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
>
> rog
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| Gunnar 2003-04-24, 2:24 pm |
| Hi, im taking the cnap program and i think its a great place to start, with
many basic things.
Everybody is talking about that a certification isnt worth anything unless
you have experience to back it up. But how are you gonne get an IT job,
without experience? The only way is to get a certifiaction of some sort,
soo I think CNAP is a good start, then maybe go for the CCNP
rog wrote:
> hello,
>
> i would like to take some IT courses and pursue certifications, but
> it's hard to know what to go for. CCNA seems like a good idea, but
> from reading this newsgroup, there may not be many jobs available.
>
> i saw these courses advertised in a local newspaper, and they seem to
> be offering a variety of courses, all through the cisco academy
> program. i was wondering what others thought of them. which courses
> would be good, and why? would it be feasible to do all of them?
>
> www.nzice.com/domestic
> www.nzice.com/international/nzicetechnology.html
>
> rog
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