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| Brandon Andrews 2003-03-29, 8:23 pm |
| Went to the great cisco web site yesterday to make sure that I have
covered everthing for the 640-607. One thing that I noticed is Novell.
Where is it listed?
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10...ms/640-607.html
I know that novell has moved to TCP-IP with NetWare 5.0 with about 5
million networks running Novell. I did not find anywhere in the listed
topics for IPX-SPX. So could I cut out the novell or would that be a
bad move? I
thinking bad move. Just wanted to make sure.
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| I am with you. Novell is great when there is only Novell server(s) in the
environment. As soon as you have Novell and Microsoft in the same network,
you will have big problem sooner or later. Event a large corp like the
Government stick with Microsoft and Unix products. I just want to know
enough Novell to get by. personally, I would stay away from Novell as much
as I can. That's my 2 cents.
"Brandon Andrews" <brandon760909@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fc332dae.0303291727.1a5d0eb0@posting.google.com...
> Went to the great cisco web site yesterday to make sure that I have
> covered everthing for the 640-607. One thing that I noticed is Novell.
> Where is it listed?
>
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10...ng/current_exam
s/640-607.html
> I know that novell has moved to TCP-IP with NetWare 5.0 with about 5
> million networks running Novell. I did not find anywhere in the listed
> topics for IPX-SPX. So could I cut out the novell or would that be a
> bad move? I
> thinking bad move. Just wanted to make sure.
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| Hansang Bae 2003-03-29, 9:23 pm |
| In article <rZrha.281942$6b3.1185585@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>,
johndoeno1@attbi.com says...
> I am with you. Novell is great when there is only Novell server(s) in the
> environment. As soon as you have Novell and Microsoft in the same network,
> you will have big problem sooner or later. Event a large corp like the
> Government stick with Microsoft and Unix products. I just want to know
> enough Novell to get by. personally, I would stay away from Novell as much
> as I can. That's my 2 cents.
What trouble would that be? (Other than MS supplying MUP.DLL that
caused problems for NetWare networks - imagine that!)
NetWare is a fine product. But its days are numbered because so many
people are considering it a "dead end" product...so I'll agree with you
there.
--
hsb
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| Stuart Robinson 2003-03-30, 2:23 am |
| > I know that novell has moved to TCP-IP with NetWare 5.0 with about 5
> million networks running Novell.
Thats true, you can run the server in pure TCP\IP mode.
But for various reasons IPX is used as well, there are Netware
applications out there that still need IPX, a lot of print servers for
instance.
> I did not find anywhere in the listed
> topics for IPX-SPX.
There are a few pages on IPX in the Chico 640-607 certification guide,
which the author says covers the material that you may be asked questions
about.
Stuart
CNE.
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| Stuart Robinson 2003-03-30, 2:23 am |
| > NetWare is a fine product. But its days are numbered because so many
> people are considering it a "dead end" product...so I'll agree with you
> there.
There has been a trend of people switching out of Netware into MS, but I
cant see Netware dissapearing, there are still a lot of people out there
that realise Netware Servers are in a lot of circumstances a better choice
that MS ones.
Stuart.
CNE
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| Brandon Andrews 2003-03-30, 3:24 am |
| "Jim" <johndoeno1@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<rZrha.281942$6b3.1185585@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>...
> I am with you. Novell is great when there is only Novell server(s) in the
> environment. As soon as you have Novell and Microsoft in the same network,
> you will have big problem sooner or later. Event a large corp like the
> Government stick with Microsoft and Unix products. I just want to know
> enough Novell to get by. personally, I would stay away from Novell as much
> as I can. That's my 2 cents.
Love them or not. I think they have made an impact on networking. I
just don't know why it was not listed as part of the topics on cisco's
web site. I know that at least one chapter in every book on taking the
ccna has IPX SPX. I don't think novell is going away. Look at apple.
still around. Linux still around. I think people that use and know
that product will be loyal. As long as it works for the needs of the
business. I just wanted to know why I have spent some class hours and
brain power on the subject if it will not be on the final test.
Besides most schools have novell on their networks. Something about
being easier to keep the script kiddys out of the systems. Also if it
would be misleading on ciscos part about not having it listed on the
website. So when you go take the exam "Novell heaven." But I don't
think cisco would do somthing like that. Or am I wrong on that as
well?
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| Stuart Robinson 2003-03-30, 4:24 am |
| > I just wanted to know why I have spent some class hours and
> brain power on the subject if it will not be on the final test.
As I mentioned elsewhere it is in the Cisco Certification guide, Chapter
11 p677-p758.
> Besides most schools have novell on their networks. Something about
> being easier to keep the script kiddys out of the systems.
Netware servers are normally very secure and low maintenance, you dont for
instance have to keep patching them for security vulnerabilities.
Stuart.
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| Slammer 2003-03-30, 8:24 am |
| I would take my Novell servers up against any MS Server platform. I don't
have to worry about being hacked everyday or virus attacks.
--
Slammer
MCSA, CNA5, iNet+, Server+, Net+, A+,
CIW-Assoc.
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| Brandon Andrews 2003-03-30, 10:24 am |
| > There are a few pages on IPX in the Chico 640-607 certification guide,
> which the author says covers the material that you may be asked questions
> about.
>
>
> Stuart
> CNE.
Your right, but if you go to cisco's web site for the topic of what
will be on the 640-607. You will find nothing listed for Novell's
IPX-SPX at all. That is the point that I would like to make to
everyone that reads this posting. So did cisco forget was is going to
be on their own test? I know that it will so on the final in all
cases. Also I would love to find out more about novell. I think it
would be a worth wild investment.
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| Stuart Robinson 2003-03-30, 11:24 am |
| It does seem an odd omission from the list of topics, it does get its own
chapter in the Cisco book.
Perhaps the listeners could comment as to whether IPX questions have been
asked in the real exam ?
Stuart.
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| Stuart Robinson 2003-03-30, 11:24 am |
| > Also I would love to find out more about novell. I think it
> would be a worth wild investment.
To be honest apart from configuring IPX net numbers for each of the frame
types in use, and making sure that these match on all servers on a
network (and are different on different networks), there is little else to
do with IPX.
I dont do much Novell WAN stuff, that which I do uses VPN connections, and
the IPX is encapsulated and routed inside that automatically. So whilst
you end up with IPX routing between the different networks there is very
little to do, just make sure the IPX call across the VPN is configured.
Stuart.
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| Bernie 2003-03-30, 2:24 pm |
| On 30 Mar 2003 00:49:12 -0800, brandon760909@hotmail.com (Brandon
Andrews) wrote:
>"Jim" <johndoeno1@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<rZrha.281942$6b3.1185585@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>...
>> I am with you. Novell is great when there is only Novell server(s) in the
>> environment. As soon as you have Novell and Microsoft in the same network,
>> you will have big problem sooner or later. Event a large corp like the
>> Government stick with Microsoft and Unix products. I just want to know
>> enough Novell to get by. personally, I would stay away from Novell as much
>> as I can. That's my 2 cents.
>I don't think novell is going away. Look at apple.
>still around. Linux still around. I think people that use and know
>that product will be loyal. As long as it works for the needs of the
>business.
Keep in mind, *vendor* certification programs are not about what is
still hanging around here or there. The vendor wants to sell new
features and new products. Hence their certification program is going
to revolve around what they see as the future of networking and the
future of their products. IPX, Apple, Token Ring, SNA, are definitely
not the future even if they still are going to exist far into the
future.
My point is that you shouldn't expect a vendor certification to focus
on the current state of the industry, or to focus relative to the
market share of a technology (e.g. 10% token ring => 10% questions on
token ring). You are simply being asked to learn what the vendor
wants you to learn.
[I don't know anything about whether or not IPX is or is not on any
current Cisco exams--last Cisco cert exam I took was quite a while
ago.]
--Bernie
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| Brandon Andrews 2003-03-30, 6:24 pm |
| Bernie <Bernie@weekend.com> wrote in message news:<F690730C7FED3FF5.743730C1E3EEA351.A5A2972A3CAA2804@lp.airnews.net>...
> On 30 Mar 2003 00:49:12 -0800, brandon760909@hotmail.com (Brandon
> Andrews) wrote:
>
> >"Jim" <johndoeno1@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<rZrha.281942$6b3.1185585@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>...
> >> I am with you. Novell is great when there is only Novell server(s) in the
> >> environment. As soon as you have Novell and Microsoft in the same network,
> >> you will have big problem sooner or later. Event a large corp like the
> >> Government stick with Microsoft and Unix products. I just want to know
> >> enough Novell to get by. personally, I would stay away from Novell as much
> >> as I can. That's my 2 cents.
>
>
> >I don't think novell is going away. Look at apple.
> >still around. Linux still around. I think people that use and know
> >that product will be loyal. As long as it works for the needs of the
> >business.
>
> Keep in mind, *vendor* certification programs are not about what is
> still hanging around here or there. The vendor wants to sell new
> features and new products. Hence their certification program is going
> to revolve around what they see as the future of networking and the
> future of their products. IPX, Apple, Token Ring, SNA, are definitely
> not the future even if they still are going to exist far into the
> future.
>
> My point is that you shouldn't expect a vendor certification to focus
> on the current state of the industry, or to focus relative to the
> market share of a technology (e.g. 10% token ring => 10% questions on
> token ring). You are simply being asked to learn what the vendor
> wants you to learn.
>
> [I don't know anything about whether or not IPX is or is not on any
> current Cisco exams--last Cisco cert exam I took was quite a while
> ago.]
>
> --Bernie
That might be why X.25 is not listed on the topics as well. Everyone
know about vendor cerification if any one has taking a good Microsoft
exam.
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