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| Sajjad Ahmed 2003-02-27, 11:24 am |
| Hi,
i have 10 years of network experience and have a CCNA and some microsoft
certs - i am freelancer and neglected certs earlier in my career. I now
want to do another Cisco cert but am undecided about which to go for, CCNP
or the CCIE. I am confident about the CCIE written exam but feel that i may
need to practice a lot more for the lab. Does the written have any value on
its own whilst i wait to do the lab or should i do the CCNP for full value?
Any advise appreciated,
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| On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:50, Sajjad Ahmed had a brain fart:
> Hi,
>
> i have 10 years of network experience and have a CCNA and some
> microsoft
> certs - i am freelancer and neglected certs earlier in my career. I
> now want to do another Cisco cert but am undecided about which to go
> for, CCNP
> or the CCIE. I am confident about the CCIE written exam but feel
> that i may
> need to practice a lot more for the lab. Does the written have any
> value on its own whilst i wait to do the lab or should i do the CCNP
> for full value?
>
> Any advise appreciated,
you need to do CCNP before you can do CCIE.
--
Donovan Hill
Linux: Because you can!
All rise for the Microsoft Anthem: "BAAAA!"
"Michael, I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing and it was
everything that I thought it could be." - Peter, Office Space
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| Sajjad Ahmed 2003-02-27, 11:24 am |
| No you don't, the only requirement is a CCNA.
"alt" <alt@some.tld> wrote in message
news:qwr7a.22497$Ho6.2018097@news2.telusplanet.net...
> On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:50, Sajjad Ahmed had a brain fart:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > i have 10 years of network experience and have a CCNA and some
> > microsoft
> > certs - i am freelancer and neglected certs earlier in my career. I
> > now want to do another Cisco cert but am undecided about which to go
> > for, CCNP
> > or the CCIE. I am confident about the CCIE written exam but feel
> > that i may
> > need to practice a lot more for the lab. Does the written have any
> > value on its own whilst i wait to do the lab or should i do the CCNP
> > for full value?
> >
> > Any advise appreciated,
>
> you need to do CCNP before you can do CCIE.
>
> --
> Donovan Hill
> Linux: Because you can!
> All rise for the Microsoft Anthem: "BAAAA!"
> "Michael, I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing and it was
> everything that I thought it could be." - Peter, Office Space
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| Hansang Bae 2003-02-27, 12:24 pm |
| In article <zAr7a.236$dY2.115@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
webmaster@evillageboy.co.uk says...
> No you don't, the only requirement is a CCNA.
There are no requirements for CCIE. CCIE predates all other Cisco
certs. The written by itself has no value whatever.
If you have 10 years of networking experience, you can walk right in and
pass most of the CCNP tests. For someone with hands on and academic
background, it's not much of a challenge. CCIE lab is challenging
however.
If you're (you in the generic sense) a knob-turner, then you need to
buckle down and study the academic material.
--
hsb
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| Binary Traveler 2003-02-27, 3:24 pm |
| bah, ;P Some people didn't read the introduction to the career certification
paths properly! hee hee.
Common misconception. Although it is viewed as a "pyramid" CCNA, CCNP,
CCIE. The CCIE has no
prereq. Cisco is confident that you need to know you shit to pass the CCIE
For those who are entering the networking field, or perhaps in mid career is
where the CCNA and CCNP were introduced. As a means of ranking people who
aren't at the CCIE level of expertise. And a way for those people to judge
their own level of expertise, so they know what they need to work on to
improve to the next level. But there are alot of people out there that have
been
in the field for 10-15 years that can walk in and pass the CCIE without alot
of preperation. And people at that knowledge
level shouldn't be made to work their way up through certifications that are
rather amaetur to them.
I wouldn't say the written exam holds "NO" value. You can't claim the glory
of being a CCIE, but mention that you have already passed the "written"
portion and are preparing for the lab portion I think will hold pull with an
interviewer. Just my 2 cents. 
BinaryT
"alt" <alt@some.tld> wrote in message
news:qwr7a.22497$Ho6.2018097@news2.telusplanet.net...
> On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:50, Sajjad Ahmed had a brain fart:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > i have 10 years of network experience and have a CCNA and some
> > microsoft
> > certs - i am freelancer and neglected certs earlier in my career. I
> > now want to do another Cisco cert but am undecided about which to go
> > for, CCNP
> > or the CCIE. I am confident about the CCIE written exam but feel
> > that i may
> > need to practice a lot more for the lab. Does the written have any
> > value on its own whilst i wait to do the lab or should i do the CCNP
> > for full value?
> >
> > Any advise appreciated,
>
> you need to do CCNP before you can do CCIE.
>
> --
> Donovan Hill
> Linux: Because you can!
> All rise for the Microsoft Anthem: "BAAAA!"
> "Michael, I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing and it was
> everything that I thought it could be." - Peter, Office Space
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| Hansang Bae <uonr@alp.ee.pbz> wrote in message news:<MPG.18c81bf6daa3311298986a@news-server.nyc.rr.com>...
> In article <zAr7a.236$dY2.115@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> webmaster@evillageboy.co.uk says...
> > No you don't, the only requirement is a CCNA.
>
> There are no requirements for CCIE. CCIE predates all other Cisco
> certs. The written by itself has no value whatever.
>
> If you have 10 years of networking experience, you can walk right in and
> pass most of the CCNP tests. For someone with hands on and academic
> background, it's not much of a challenge. CCIE lab is challenging
> however.
>
> If you're (you in the generic sense) a knob-turner, then you need to
> buckle down and study the academic material.
>
> --
>
> hsb
what is a knob turner in geek speak... never heard that one before...
arteq
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| Bernie 2003-02-27, 7:24 pm |
| On 27 Feb 2003 16:13:27 -0800, arteq_2001@hotmail.com (arteq) wrote:
>Hansang Bae <uonr@alp.ee.pbz> wrote in message news:<MPG.18c81bf6daa3311298986a@news-server.nyc.rr.com>...
>> In article <zAr7a.236$dY2.115@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
>> webmaster@evillageboy.co.uk says...
>> > No you don't, the only requirement is a CCNA.
>>
>> There are no requirements for CCIE. CCIE predates all other Cisco
>> certs. The written by itself has no value whatever.
>>
>> If you have 10 years of networking experience, you can walk right in and
>> pass most of the CCNP tests. For someone with hands on and academic
>> background, it's not much of a challenge. CCIE lab is challenging
>> however.
>>
>> If you're (you in the generic sense) a knob-turner, then you need to
>> buckle down and study the academic material.
>>
>> --
>>
>> hsb
>
>what is a knob turner in geek speak... never heard that one before...
"Nerd knobs" are what we call all the little tweaks that you can
adjust on modern routers and switches, like STP timers for example...
--Bernie
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| Hansang Bae 2003-02-27, 9:23 pm |
| In article <cd8e4a06.0302271613.5dd469f5@posting.google.com>, arteq_2001
@hotmail.com says...
> what is a knob turner in geek speak... never heard that one before...
Someone with a little knowledge. They try this and that until it works.
They have no idea what they did, or how they fix it. Whenever I jump on
a router, I can pretty much tell if the person knew what they were
doing, if the person was a novice, or if the person was a knob-turner.
--
hsb
"Somehow I imagined this experience would be more rewarding" Calvin
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| Bernie 2003-02-28, 12:24 am |
| On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:04:19 GMT, Hansang Bae <uonr@alp.ee.pbz> wrote:
>In article <cd8e4a06.0302271613.5dd469f5@posting.google.com>, arteq_2001
>@hotmail.com says...
>> what is a knob turner in geek speak... never heard that one before...
>
>Someone with a little knowledge. They try this and that until it works.
>They have no idea what they did, or how they fix it. Whenever I jump on
>a router, I can pretty much tell if the person knew what they were
>doing, if the person was a novice, or if the person was a knob-turner.
Ahh. I learned something knew today. I assumed a slightly different
definition of "knob turner." You meant it in a sort of derogatory
manner. I assumed it was more complimentary. Is this a term of your
own creation, Hansang? I can't say I have heard anyone else use it.
--Bernie
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