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| James Keane 2002-09-12, 11:28 am |
| I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am a
young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people that
have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up in
another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT recession
is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
anyone else.
Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this problem
would be greatly received.
Regards
James Keane
CCNA
| |
| karate-kid 2002-09-12, 12:28 pm |
| James,
No offence but you are in cloud cuckoo land mate. The first rule of
economics - supply and demand - is what applies here, unfortunately. No one
would doubt your commitment and efforts to get your CCNA. However, the
telecoms industry has been hit massively by the recession. Did you know
that the four top telecoms companies in Europe (British, France, Deutsche
and Holland Telecoms) are $US 200 billion in debt ? They are not investing
that much in infrastructure projects. That hits us in telecoms. The same
goes for most enterprise customers.
Whilst there are more people with the skills than jobs in which to use them
then salaries will remain suppressed. Recruiting managers will also have the
pick of some very good people - all with loads of experience..
You mention the recession in the industry not being addressed by the
government. What's it to do with them ? The state of the economy decides
what skills are in demand, the government has nothing to do with it. If you
are a CCIE, for example, the market decides that such people are MUCH more
rare than CCNA's and thus they are paid more. There are over 400000 (four
hundred thousand) Cisco certified people in the world yet only 8000 odd
CCIE's. Supply and demand...........
Unfortunate for you but true, James.
Good luck and keep your chin up mate. Something will come up !!
Steve
Nottingham, UK
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
> websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am
a
> young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
that
> have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
> with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
> Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up
in
> another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
recession
> is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
> anyone else.
>
> Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
problem
> would be greatly received.
>
>
> Regards
>
> James Keane
> CCNA
>
>
| |
| karate-kid 2002-09-12, 1:28 pm |
| James,
No offence but you are in cloud cuckoo land mate. The first rule of
economics - supply and demand - is what applies here, unfortunately. No one
would doubt your commitment and efforts to get your CCNA. However, the
telecoms industry has been hit massively by the recession. Did you know
that the four top telecoms companies in Europe (British, France, Deutsche
and Holland Telecoms) are $US 200 billion in debt ? They are not investing
that much in infrastructure projects. That hits us in telecoms. The same
goes for most enterprise customers.
Whilst there are more people with the skills than jobs in which to use them
then salaries will remain suppressed. Recruiting managers will also have the
pick of some very good people - all with loads of experience..
You mention the recession in the industry not being addressed by the
government. What's it to do with them ? The state of the economy decides
what skills are in demand, the government has nothing to do with it. If you
are a CCIE, for example, the market decides that such people are MUCH more
rare than CCNA's and thus they are paid more. There are over 400000 (four
hundred thousand) Cisco certified people in the world yet only 8000 odd
CCIE's. Supply and demand...........
Unfortunate for you but true, James.
Good luck and keep your chin up mate. Something will come up !!
Steve
Nottingham, UK
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
> websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am
a
> young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
that
> have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
> with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
> Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up
in
> another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
recession
> is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
> anyone else.
>
> Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
problem
> would be greatly received.
>
>
> Regards
>
> James Keane
> CCNA
>
>
| |
| Bernie 2002-09-12, 11:29 pm |
| On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:06:38 +0000 (UTC), "James Keane"
<jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
>websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am a
>young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people that
>have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
>with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
>Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up in
>another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT recession
>is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
>anyone else.
What do you think the government should do about this? Welfare for
those with skills but no job? Bar overqualified people from taking
lesser jobs? Corporate welfare for those bloated telecom companies
that made their own bed and are now lying in it? I just don't see
where you are coming from. I understand the frustration, but it is
not the governments problem.
>Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this problem
>would be greatly received.
You're not the only one. I have plenty of stories to tell of people
that lost jobs and are now state troopers or car salesmen, or
whatever...
>Regards
>
>James Keane
>CCNA
>
--Bernie
| |
| Bernie 2002-09-13, 12:29 am |
| On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:06:38 +0000 (UTC), "James Keane"
<jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
>websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am a
>young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people that
>have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
>with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
>Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up in
>another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT recession
>is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
>anyone else.
What do you think the government should do about this? Welfare for
those with skills but no job? Bar overqualified people from taking
lesser jobs? Corporate welfare for those bloated telecom companies
that made their own bed and are now lying in it? I just don't see
where you are coming from. I understand the frustration, but it is
not the governments problem.
>Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this problem
>would be greatly received.
You're not the only one. I have plenty of stories to tell of people
that lost jobs and are now state troopers or car salesmen, or
whatever...
>Regards
>
>James Keane
>CCNA
>
--Bernie
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-09-13, 9:29 am |
|
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
> websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am
a
> young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
that
> have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
> with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
> Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up
in
> another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
recession
> is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
> anyone else.
>
> Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
problem
> would be greatly received.
Unfortunately CCNA is not really a good cert for a young in-experienced job
seeker. You would be better of with a MCP or MCSA. People working
in comm's departments where you use your Cisco skills are rarly
beginners. You are going to need to start in a help desk 1st / 2nd line
support position or simply a techie in a small organisation. Either way,
you are unlikely to touch any Cisco / comms equipment in these roles
other to patch / unpatch leads.
If you can get a MS certification, thais will be far more useful to
getting you to the interveiw. I can only suggest volunteering your
services to small computers shops at low to nothing wages, or
approaching charities etc. and offering to work for free to get
experience. Might sound crazy, but you need experience and
having say 6 months working for a charity for free because you
could not find work in these depressed IT times, will look very
good on your CV, compared to some one who did nothing
over the same period.
Good luck and I hope things improve for you.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-09-13, 10:29 am |
|
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
> websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am
a
> young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
that
> have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
> with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
> Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up
in
> another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
recession
> is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
> anyone else.
>
> Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
problem
> would be greatly received.
Unfortunately CCNA is not really a good cert for a young in-experienced job
seeker. You would be better of with a MCP or MCSA. People working
in comm's departments where you use your Cisco skills are rarly
beginners. You are going to need to start in a help desk 1st / 2nd line
support position or simply a techie in a small organisation. Either way,
you are unlikely to touch any Cisco / comms equipment in these roles
other to patch / unpatch leads.
If you can get a MS certification, thais will be far more useful to
getting you to the interveiw. I can only suggest volunteering your
services to small computers shops at low to nothing wages, or
approaching charities etc. and offering to work for free to get
experience. Might sound crazy, but you need experience and
having say 6 months working for a charity for free because you
could not find work in these depressed IT times, will look very
good on your CV, compared to some one who did nothing
over the same period.
Good luck and I hope things improve for you.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| James Keane 2002-09-13, 2:29 pm |
| i guess i would just like the government to acknowledge that they have
shoved as many people as they could into IT.( I'm not one of those people i
have always liked computing) saying there are jobs, lets get everyone
trained, and they aren't even mentioning it. I suppose you are right i am
just frustrated. When i started studying for my CCNA there were loads of
jobs going, and now that i have finished there is nowt about. Feck. Arse.
Drink......etc etc..
JK
"_Mike_" <Mike@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:alsurb$ort$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>
> "James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> > I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous
agencies,
> > websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I
am
> a
> > young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
> that
> > have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that
someone
> > with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start
anywhere.
> > Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting
up
> in
> > another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
> recession
> > is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government
or
> > anyone else.
> >
> > Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
> problem
> > would be greatly received.
>
> Unfortunately CCNA is not really a good cert for a young in-experienced
job
> seeker. You would be better of with a MCP or MCSA. People working
> in comm's departments where you use your Cisco skills are rarly
> beginners. You are going to need to start in a help desk 1st / 2nd line
> support position or simply a techie in a small organisation. Either way,
> you are unlikely to touch any Cisco / comms equipment in these roles
> other to patch / unpatch leads.
>
> If you can get a MS certification, thais will be far more useful to
> getting you to the interveiw. I can only suggest volunteering your
> services to small computers shops at low to nothing wages, or
> approaching charities etc. and offering to work for free to get
> experience. Might sound crazy, but you need experience and
> having say 6 months working for a charity for free because you
> could not find work in these depressed IT times, will look very
> good on your CV, compared to some one who did nothing
> over the same period.
>
> Good luck and I hope things improve for you.
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
| |
|
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 9/13/02, 3:15:08 PM, "James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote=20
regarding Re: UK jobs shortage?:
> i guess i would just like the government to acknowledge that they have=
> shoved as many people as they could into IT.( I'm not one of those peo=
ple=20
i
> have always liked computing) saying there are jobs, lets get everyone
> trained, and they aren't even mentioning it. I suppose you are right i=
am
> just frustrated. When i started studying for my CCNA there were loads =
of
> jobs going, and now that i have finished there is nowt about. Feck. Ar=
se.
> Drink......etc etc..
> JK
How did they shove you? Did they pick you up and force you to get=20
trained? Just because they said they were jobs available and now there =
aren't is no their fault. Governments have always said what fields have=
=20
a large number of jobs. If there is a severe shortage of nurses or=20
doctors, they will mention it and maybe even subsidize the cost. How is=
=20
this their fault? Face it, you are at the tail end, its a fact of life.=
Mismanagement from companies is what has gotten the world into the=20
situation.
Lance
| |
| James Keane 2002-09-13, 3:29 pm |
| i guess i would just like the government to acknowledge that they have
shoved as many people as they could into IT.( I'm not one of those people i
have always liked computing) saying there are jobs, lets get everyone
trained, and they aren't even mentioning it. I suppose you are right i am
just frustrated. When i started studying for my CCNA there were loads of
jobs going, and now that i have finished there is nowt about. Feck. Arse.
Drink......etc etc..
JK
"_Mike_" <Mike@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:alsurb$ort$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>
> "James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> > I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous
agencies,
> > websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I
am
> a
> > young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
> that
> > have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that
someone
> > with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start
anywhere.
> > Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting
up
> in
> > another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
> recession
> > is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government
or
> > anyone else.
> >
> > Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
> problem
> > would be greatly received.
>
> Unfortunately CCNA is not really a good cert for a young in-experienced
job
> seeker. You would be better of with a MCP or MCSA. People working
> in comm's departments where you use your Cisco skills are rarly
> beginners. You are going to need to start in a help desk 1st / 2nd line
> support position or simply a techie in a small organisation. Either way,
> you are unlikely to touch any Cisco / comms equipment in these roles
> other to patch / unpatch leads.
>
> If you can get a MS certification, thais will be far more useful to
> getting you to the interveiw. I can only suggest volunteering your
> services to small computers shops at low to nothing wages, or
> approaching charities etc. and offering to work for free to get
> experience. Might sound crazy, but you need experience and
> having say 6 months working for a charity for free because you
> could not find work in these depressed IT times, will look very
> good on your CV, compared to some one who did nothing
> over the same period.
>
> Good luck and I hope things improve for you.
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
| |
|
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 9/13/02, 3:15:08 PM, "James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote=20
regarding Re: UK jobs shortage?:
> i guess i would just like the government to acknowledge that they have=
> shoved as many people as they could into IT.( I'm not one of those peo=
ple=20
i
> have always liked computing) saying there are jobs, lets get everyone
> trained, and they aren't even mentioning it. I suppose you are right i=
am
> just frustrated. When i started studying for my CCNA there were loads =
of
> jobs going, and now that i have finished there is nowt about. Feck. Ar=
se.
> Drink......etc etc..
> JK
How did they shove you? Did they pick you up and force you to get=20
trained? Just because they said they were jobs available and now there =
aren't is no their fault. Governments have always said what fields have=
=20
a large number of jobs. If there is a severe shortage of nurses or=20
doctors, they will mention it and maybe even subsidize the cost. How is=
=20
this their fault? Face it, you are at the tail end, its a fact of life.=
Mismanagement from companies is what has gotten the world into the=20
situation.
Lance
| |
| Costis 2002-09-13, 7:28 pm |
| I spent approx 10 monthes (yes TEN), seeking work. I'm 18 and at the time
didn't realise how hard getting a job in I.T would be. Unfortunately,
knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bothered taking the CCNA cert, but
maybe a M$ or Unix cert, just to get a helpdesk position for a few years
etc. Now, i'm in a PC+network support position paying bugger all, but
believe me i'm grateful for that! Don't give up, something will turn up
eventually. And if all else fails, just get a career change. Not to put your
hopes down, of course 
=)
Andy
Reading, UK
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
> websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am
a
> young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
that
> have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
> with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
> Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up
in
> another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
recession
> is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
> anyone else.
>
> Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
problem
> would be greatly received.
>
>
> Regards
>
> James Keane
> CCNA
>
>
| |
| Costis 2002-09-13, 8:28 pm |
| I spent approx 10 monthes (yes TEN), seeking work. I'm 18 and at the time
didn't realise how hard getting a job in I.T would be. Unfortunately,
knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bothered taking the CCNA cert, but
maybe a M$ or Unix cert, just to get a helpdesk position for a few years
etc. Now, i'm in a PC+network support position paying bugger all, but
believe me i'm grateful for that! Don't give up, something will turn up
eventually. And if all else fails, just get a career change. Not to put your
hopes down, of course
=)
Andy
Reading, UK
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
> websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am
a
> young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
that
> have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
> with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
> Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up
in
> another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
recession
> is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
> anyone else.
>
> Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
problem
> would be greatly received.
>
>
> Regards
>
> James Keane
> CCNA
>
>
| |
| Bernie 2002-09-13, 11:28 pm |
| On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:15:08 +0000 (UTC), "James Keane"
<jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>i guess i would just like the government to acknowledge that they have
>shoved as many people as they could into IT.( I'm not one of those people i
>have always liked computing) saying there are jobs, lets get everyone
>trained, and they aren't even mentioning it.
So the government in UK has been the one promoting IT jobs in the
past? I'm a little surprised to hear that. Here in the US, it wasn't
the government, it was the training companies advertising that if you
get this cert, you will make 60k minimum, etc., etc. Government had
nothing to do with it over here.
>I suppose you are right i am
>just frustrated. When i started studying for my CCNA there were loads of
>jobs going, and now that i have finished there is nowt about. Feck. Arse.
>Drink......etc etc..
--Bernie
| |
| Bernie 2002-09-14, 12:29 am |
| On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:15:08 +0000 (UTC), "James Keane"
<jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>i guess i would just like the government to acknowledge that they have
>shoved as many people as they could into IT.( I'm not one of those people i
>have always liked computing) saying there are jobs, lets get everyone
>trained, and they aren't even mentioning it.
So the government in UK has been the one promoting IT jobs in the
past? I'm a little surprised to hear that. Here in the US, it wasn't
the government, it was the training companies advertising that if you
get this cert, you will make 60k minimum, etc., etc. Government had
nothing to do with it over here.
>I suppose you are right i am
>just frustrated. When i started studying for my CCNA there were loads of
>jobs going, and now that i have finished there is nowt about. Feck. Arse.
>Drink......etc etc..
--Bernie
| |
|
|
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:altdfs$900$1@venus.btinternet.com...
> i guess i would just like the government to acknowledge that they have
> shoved as many people as they could into IT.( I'm not one of those people
i
> have always liked computing) saying there are jobs, lets get everyone
> trained, and they aren't even mentioning it. I suppose you are right i am
> just frustrated. When i started studying for my CCNA there were loads of
> jobs going, and now that i have finished there is nowt about. Feck. Arse.
> Drink......etc etc..
I think pommies have a tendency to blame the govt. for everything and want
a magic wand waved to fix it. The reality is the build up of Y2K caused an
IT boom with loads of contractors getting paid over the odds because
of a shortage of good people. The Dot com boom kept this going. Sept 11
caused markets to crash and big time IT employers like Banks stopped
all development. (I was layed off by an Investment bank along with 4000
others in one batch). Suddenly a large number of good experienced guys hit
the market, realise that getting huge hourly rates is not so easy anymore,
and have to drop their expectations. The beginners end of the market falls
away as suddenly you have enough experienced people to fill all vacancies.
Not government's fault and no governments can stop every blip in every
industry.
Cheers
Mike
| |
|
|
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:altdfs$900$1@venus.btinternet.com...
> i guess i would just like the government to acknowledge that they have
> shoved as many people as they could into IT.( I'm not one of those people
i
> have always liked computing) saying there are jobs, lets get everyone
> trained, and they aren't even mentioning it. I suppose you are right i am
> just frustrated. When i started studying for my CCNA there were loads of
> jobs going, and now that i have finished there is nowt about. Feck. Arse.
> Drink......etc etc..
I think pommies have a tendency to blame the govt. for everything and want
a magic wand waved to fix it. The reality is the build up of Y2K caused an
IT boom with loads of contractors getting paid over the odds because
of a shortage of good people. The Dot com boom kept this going. Sept 11
caused markets to crash and big time IT employers like Banks stopped
all development. (I was layed off by an Investment bank along with 4000
others in one batch). Suddenly a large number of good experienced guys hit
the market, realise that getting huge hourly rates is not so easy anymore,
and have to drop their expectations. The beginners end of the market falls
away as suddenly you have enough experienced people to fill all vacancies.
Not government's fault and no governments can stop every blip in every
industry.
Cheers
Mike
| |
|
| I think your plight is shared with many, I know of 3 CCNP's(2 with their
DP's as well) currently looking for work. I also know a Network Security guy
with experience with PIX, checkpoint among others. Plus a Enterprise Systems
Management guy with Openview / Tivolli / Cisco Work / Netview / CA unicenter
along with Unix admin skills currently unemployed looking for work.
I have seen my hourly rate drop by over 40% from what it was 18 months ago.
I'm aware of a large financial institution in the UK offering contractors
across the board extensions at 20% less than their current rate. Problem is,
most have to accept it due to the current market conditions.
During the run up to Y2K, I believe many large corporates spent something
approaching 5 years IT budget in a little over 2 years. It makes sense then
that the purse strings are going to be pulled tight for a while. Add the
other issues in the world recently, dot.bomb / sept 11th / huge mobile 3G
costs in the UK etc etc. Its a simple case of market supply and demand !
As for the government, I cant remember hearing the publicity pushing people
into IT. Perhaps that's because I don't pay a great deal of attention to
politics ! I think I would prefer the UK government to keep out of market
forces, the last thing we need is for them to go and screw that up as well
!!!
I wish I could offer some advice, but I'm afraid nothing springs to mind.
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Regards
Jon CCIE R&S
Nottingham,UK.
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I do not actively monitor the mail account listed by this message, if
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"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
> websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am
a
> young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
that
> have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
> with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
> Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up
in
> another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
recession
> is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
> anyone else.
>
> Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
problem
> would be greatly received.
>
>
> Regards
>
> James Keane
> CCNA
>
>
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DP's as well) currently looking for work. I also know a Network Security guy
with experience with PIX, checkpoint among others. Plus a Enterprise Systems
Management guy with Openview / Tivolli / Cisco Work / Netview / CA unicenter
along with Unix admin skills currently unemployed looking for work.
I have seen my hourly rate drop by over 40% from what it was 18 months ago.
I'm aware of a large financial institution in the UK offering contractors
across the board extensions at 20% less than their current rate. Problem is,
most have to accept it due to the current market conditions.
During the run up to Y2K, I believe many large corporates spent something
approaching 5 years IT budget in a little over 2 years. It makes sense then
that the purse strings are going to be pulled tight for a while. Add the
other issues in the world recently, dot.bomb / sept 11th / huge mobile 3G
costs in the UK etc etc. Its a simple case of market supply and demand !
As for the government, I cant remember hearing the publicity pushing people
into IT. Perhaps that's because I don't pay a great deal of attention to
politics ! I think I would prefer the UK government to keep out of market
forces, the last thing we need is for them to go and screw that up as well
!!!
I wish I could offer some advice, but I'm afraid nothing springs to mind.
--
Regards
Jon CCIE R&S
Nottingham,UK.
Please Note:
I do not actively monitor the mail account listed by this message, if
you wish to reply, please do so to the group as a follow-up in this NG.
"James Keane" <jmbkeane@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:alqe2d$evp$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> I am finding it impossible to fnid a job. i have tried numerous agencies,
> websites, newspapers, friend of a friend, all that and still no joy. I am
a
> young CCNA with hardly any experience and it seems that all the people
that
> have been made redundant with experience are taking the jobs that someone
> with my experience might be applying for, so i can't get a start anywhere.
> Can anyone offer me any sort of advice? I am even considering starting up
in
> another country (currently UK) to get my start but i think this IT
recession
> is a global problem that is not being properly addressed by government or
> anyone else.
>
> Any help, or just stories to tell me i'm ont the only one with this
problem
> would be greatly received.
>
>
> Regards
>
> James Keane
> CCNA
>
>
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