alt.certification.a-plus - Pulling my hair out!!!

Author

Pulling my hair out!!!

davemeek

2004-03-31, 11:25 pm

Hello all, it's been a long time sence I've posted...

So, heres the deal. I'm building a new computer with mostly new parts. It
is a P4 socket 423 (new), Biostar socket 423 MB (new), ATX mid case (new),
CD-RW 32x12x48 (new), 60.1 GIG HDD (used but known good), 4.0 GIG HDD (used
but known good), floppy (used but known good), 94 MB RAM (used but known
good).

This is the configuration:

60.1 GIG HDD is set up as PRI master
4.0 GIG HDD is set up as PRI slave
CD-RW is set up as SEC master
Floppy is the only drive on that controller.

I have gone over the submini connectors and they are all correct and are the
correct polarity. at power up the only thing I get is the power LED will
lite up. Nothing else will happen. No POST, fans or anything. This system
should power up and at least post (there's no OS yet). I have lost count of
all the systems that I have built and /or reconditioned and have been
certified sence Mar. 2001 so I'm not a novice. I know that this is some
SIMPLE thing that I'm overlooking but any suggestions I would sure
appriciate!!!

davemeek

Gordon Findlay

2004-04-01, 12:24 am

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:51:51 -0600, "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote:

>r.
>
>I have gone over the submini connectors and they are all correct and are the
>correct polarity. at power up the only thing I get is the power LED will
>lite up. Nothing else will happen. No POST, fans or anything. This system
>should power up and at least post (there's no OS yet). I have lost count of
>all the systems that I have built and /or reconditioned and have been
>certified sence Mar. 2001 so I'm not a novice. I know that this is some
>SIMPLE thing that I'm overlooking but any suggestions I would sure
>appriciate!!!

Aux power for CPU? I guess you've plugged it in, but is it working?
The symptoms sound like there is no load on it.

Navin R. Johnson

2004-04-01, 12:25 pm

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:51:51 -0600, "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote:

>Hello all, it's been a long time sence I've posted...
>
>So, heres the deal. I'm building a new computer with mostly new parts. It
>is a P4 socket 423 (new), Biostar socket 423 MB (new), ATX mid case (new),
>CD-RW 32x12x48 (new), 60.1 GIG HDD (used but known good), 4.0 GIG HDD (used
>but known good), floppy (used but known good), 94 MB RAM (used but known
>good).
>
>This is the configuration:
>
>
>60.1 GIG HDD is set up as PRI master
>4.0 GIG HDD is set up as PRI slave
>CD-RW is set up as SEC master
>Floppy is the only drive on that controller.
>
>I have gone over the submini connectors and they are all correct and are the
>correct polarity. at power up the only thing I get is the power LED will
>lite up. Nothing else will happen. No POST, fans or anything. This system
>should power up and at least post (there's no OS yet). I have lost count of
>all the systems that I have built and /or reconditioned and have been
>certified sence Mar. 2001 so I'm not a novice. I know that this is some
>SIMPLE thing that I'm overlooking but any suggestions I would sure
>appriciate!!!
>
>davemeek
>

No fans? No HD motors? Power LED means +5 is probably okay. +12V runs
the fans and motors. Check the +12V line and be sure the 115/230 Volt
switch on the P/S is set to 115V, if in the U.S. If that's all okay,
pull the power on everything but the motherboard and CPU fan. Remove all
PCI/AGP cards & memory. Power it up, look for spinning CPU fan and
listen for beeps telling you that memory is not detected. If that works,
add memory then video. If that works, add one device at a time until you
find the cause. Simplify and conquer!..... and your hair will be happy.

Good luck,
NRJ

PS Just because it's new doesn't mean it's good.

Nigel Kendrick

2004-04-01, 2:26 pm

UDMA HDD cable wrong way round?

Stops some systems dead in their tracks.

Just a thought

NK

Bill Sargent

2004-04-01, 2:26 pm

There are a few things to try First does new case have a 300 watt power
supply? if not that is probably the culprit, Second try removing all parts
try to boot with just video, cpu and ram. If you have another video card try
changing that too. If its still gives no display or post, double check ram
just to be sure but then it is down to cpu or mobo are bad.

Thank you, -S --- Bill Sargent CQ Services, Inc. 101 Desmond Street Sayre,
PA 18840-2001 Tel: 1-800-366-2414 Fax: 1-570-882-9679 www.CQServices.com
"davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
news:wlMac.3720$sd5.2242@okepread02...
> Hello all, it's been a long time sence I've posted...
>
> So, heres the deal. I'm building a new computer with mostly new parts. It
> is a P4 socket 423 (new), Biostar socket 423 MB (new), ATX mid case (new),
> CD-RW 32x12x48 (new), 60.1 GIG HDD (used but known good), 4.0 GIG HDD
(used
> but known good), floppy (used but known good), 94 MB RAM (used but known
> good).
>
> This is the configuration:
>
>
> 60.1 GIG HDD is set up as PRI master
> 4.0 GIG HDD is set up as PRI slave
> CD-RW is set up as SEC master
> Floppy is the only drive on that controller.
>
> I have gone over the submini connectors and they are all correct and are
the
> correct polarity. at power up the only thing I get is the power LED will
> lite up. Nothing else will happen. No POST, fans or anything. This system
> should power up and at least post (there's no OS yet). I have lost count
of
> all the systems that I have built and /or reconditioned and have been
> certified sence Mar. 2001 so I'm not a novice. I know that this is some
> SIMPLE thing that I'm overlooking but any suggestions I would sure
> appriciate!!!
>
> davemeek
>
>

Barry Watzman

2004-04-01, 8:24 pm

Almost all Socket 423 systems use RDRAM (Rambus memory). Is that the
kind of memory that you have? RDRAM is excellent memory, but it has
some "quirks" that most people are not familiar with, including the need
to be installed in matched pairs (it's a dual-channel memory system,
like the latest DDR systems, but it's dual channel ONLY) and the need
for termination modules in empty sockets.

It's highly likely that this is the source of your problem. If you
think this to be the case, get back to me by E-Mail and I'll try to
help, I am very familiar with RDRAM, I used it exclusively for a long
time and even today I prefer it to DDR (it's much more stable), although
there are no chip sets for RDRAM that support the latest 800 MHz FSB.

davemeek wrote:

> Hello all, it's been a long time sence I've posted...
>
> So, heres the deal. I'm building a new computer with mostly new parts. It
> is a P4 socket 423 (new), Biostar socket 423 MB (new), ATX mid case (new),
> CD-RW 32x12x48 (new), 60.1 GIG HDD (used but known good), 4.0 GIG HDD (used
> but known good), floppy (used but known good), 94 MB RAM (used but known
> good).
>
> This is the configuration:
>
>
> 60.1 GIG HDD is set up as PRI master
> 4.0 GIG HDD is set up as PRI slave
> CD-RW is set up as SEC master
> Floppy is the only drive on that controller.
>
> I have gone over the submini connectors and they are all correct and are the
> correct polarity. at power up the only thing I get is the power LED will
> lite up. Nothing else will happen. No POST, fans or anything. This system
> should power up and at least post (there's no OS yet). I have lost count of
> all the systems that I have built and /or reconditioned and have been
> certified sence Mar. 2001 so I'm not a novice. I know that this is some
> SIMPLE thing that I'm overlooking but any suggestions I would sure
> appriciate!!!
>
> davemeek
>
>

davemeek

2004-04-01, 11:24 pm

"Navin R. Johnson" <TheJerk@optigrab.net> wrote in message
news:iheo60pl4g5g4sra1i4ci0fps
j00oqp9vd@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:51:51 -0600, "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote:
>
It[color=blue]
(new),[color=blue]
(used[color=blue]
the[color=blue]
of[color=blue]
>
> No fans? No HD motors? Power LED means +5 is probably okay. +12V runs
> the fans and motors. Check the +12V line and be sure the 115/230 Volt
> switch on the P/S is set to 115V, if in the U.S. If that's all okay,
> pull the power on everything but the motherboard and CPU fan. Remove all
> PCI/AGP cards & memory. Power it up, look for spinning CPU fan and
> listen for beeps telling you that memory is not detected. If that works,
> add memory then video. If that works, add one device at a time until you
> find the cause. Simplify and conquer!..... and your hair will be happy.
>
> Good luck,
> NRJ
>
> PS Just because it's new doesn't mean it's good.

This is actually the SECOND new MB I've tried. I can understand getting a
bad MB but two in a row? I have already tried all that you suggested and now
I'm at the end of my knowlege. The voltages are all correct (both logic and
drive / fan motors) I get no power (from a KNOWN good PS) with nothing
socked except for the CPU. nothing, unplug all subminis with the exception
of the power on connector, nothing. The first thing I varified when I took
the case out of the box was the power switch. It is set correctly at 115vac.
Maybe I did get a bad MB again?

Thanks,

davemeek

davemeek

2004-04-01, 11:24 pm

"Nigel Kendrick" < nkendrick@atthecustomerservice
academydot.com> wrote in
message news:c4hnaa$82h$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> UDMA HDD cable wrong way round?
>
> Stops some systems dead in their tracks.
>
> Just a thought
>
> NK
>
>
>

nope, the # 1 stripe is toward the molex...

thanks tho davemeek

davemeek

2004-04-01, 11:24 pm

"Bill Sargent" <sarge@cqservices.com> wrote in message
news:406c61b6$1@NNTP01.CQS.local...
> There are a few things to try First does new case have a 300 watt power
> supply? if not that is probably the culprit, Second try removing all parts
> try to boot with just video, cpu and ram. If you have another video card
try
> changing that too. If its still gives no display or post, double check ram
> just to be sure but then it is down to cpu or mobo are bad.
>
> Thank you, -S --- Bill Sargent CQ Services, Inc. 101 Desmond Street Sayre,
> PA 18840-2001 Tel: 1-800-366-2414 Fax: 1-570-882-9679 www.CQServices.com

yes it is a 300 watt PS. I've already done as you suggested and have almost
concluded that I've gotten a nother bad MB?

thanks davemeek
> "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:wlMac.3720$sd5.2242@okepread02...
It[color=blue]
(new),[color=blue]
> (used
> the
system[color=blue]
> of
>
>

davemeek

2004-04-01, 11:24 pm

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:406CB306.4080605@neo.rr.com...
> Almost all Socket 423 systems use RDRAM (Rambus memory). Is that the
> kind of memory that you have? RDRAM is excellent memory, but it has
> some "quirks" that most people are not familiar with, including the need
> to be installed in matched pairs (it's a dual-channel memory system,
> like the latest DDR systems, but it's dual channel ONLY) and the need
> for termination modules in empty sockets.
>
> It's highly likely that this is the source of your problem. If you
> think this to be the case, get back to me by E-Mail and I'll try to
> help, I am very familiar with RDRAM, I used it exclusively for a long
> time and even today I prefer it to DDR (it's much more stable), although
> there are no chip sets for RDRAM that support the latest 800 MHz FSB.
>
The first MB I tried came with two dummy sticks in bank # 1 with bank # 0
empty. I put two (exactly matching) sticks of RDRAM in bank # 0 so both
banks were occupied. no power. Went out and bought a nother new MB that uses
the older 64 bit DIMMs and still no power. I have tried different PSs with
the same result.
thanks, davemeek

> davemeek wrote:
>
It[color=blue]
(new),[color=blue]
(used[color=blue]
the[color=blue]
[color=blue]
system[color=blue]
of[color=blue]
>

Barry Watzman

2004-04-01, 11:24 pm

Ok, I had not read this closely enought the first time.

Look for a bad power switch. Remove the power switch cable and short
the motherboard pins directly with a screwdriver (obviously, you need to
be VERY careful in doing this).

Other things to try:

-remove ALL drive cables (IDE & floppy)
-remove all cards except video (and, at some point if nothing else
works, even that)
-remove the CMOS battery, and use whatever procedure is suggested for
clearing CMOS (usually, shorting two points together), reinsert battery
(all of this with power removed, that means power supply unplugged or
turned HARD off)
-try a different power supply (You did, I know)

davemeek wrote:
> Hello all, it's been a long time sence I've posted...
>
> So, heres the deal. I'm building a new computer with mostly new parts. It
> is a P4 socket 423 (new), Biostar socket 423 MB (new), ATX mid case (new),
> CD-RW 32x12x48 (new), 60.1 GIG HDD (used but known good), 4.0 GIG HDD (used
> but known good), floppy (used but known good), 94 MB RAM (used but known
> good).
>
> This is the configuration:
>
>
> 60.1 GIG HDD is set up as PRI master
> 4.0 GIG HDD is set up as PRI slave
> CD-RW is set up as SEC master
> Floppy is the only drive on that controller.
>
> I have gone over the submini connectors and they are all correct and are the
> correct polarity. at power up the only thing I get is the power LED will
> lite up. Nothing else will happen. No POST, fans or anything. This system
> should power up and at least post (there's no OS yet). I have lost count of
> all the systems that I have built and /or reconditioned and have been
> certified sence Mar. 2001 so I'm not a novice. I know that this is some
> SIMPLE thing that I'm overlooking but any suggestions I would sure
> appriciate!!!
>
> davemeek
>
>

davemeek

2004-04-02, 12:24 am

"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:406CDFFB.5010609@neo.rr.com...
> Ok, I had not read this closely enought the first time.
>
> Look for a bad power switch. Remove the power switch cable and short
> the motherboard pins directly with a screwdriver (obviously, you need to
> be VERY careful in doing this).

actually I did this already too and had the exact same results...

>
> Other things to try:
>
> -remove ALL drive cables (IDE & floppy)
> -remove all cards except video (and, at some point if nothing else
> works, even that)
> -remove the CMOS battery, and use whatever procedure is suggested for
> clearing CMOS (usually, shorting two points together), reinsert battery
> (all of this with power removed, that means power supply unplugged or
> turned HARD off)
> -try a different power supply (You did, I know)

>
>
> davemeek wrote:
It[color=blue]
(new),[color=blue]
(used[color=blue]
the[color=blue]
system[color=blue]
of[color=blue]
>

Vapor

2004-04-02, 2:24 am

As with all things, even this tidbit found in alt.certification.a-plus
proffered by davemeek shall pass.

> Hello all, it's been a long time sence I've posted...
>
> So, heres the deal. I'm building a new computer with mostly new parts.
> It is a P4 socket 423 (new), Biostar socket 423 MB (new), ATX mid
> case (new), CD-RW 32x12x48 (new), 60.1 GIG HDD (used but known good),
> 4.0 GIG HDD (used but known good), floppy (used but known good), 94 MB
> RAM (used but known good).
>
> This is the configuration:
>
>
> 60.1 GIG HDD is set up as PRI master
> 4.0 GIG HDD is set up as PRI slave
> CD-RW is set up as SEC master
> Floppy is the only drive on that controller.
>
> I have gone over the submini connectors and they are all correct and
> are the correct polarity. at power up the only thing I get is the
> power LED will lite up. Nothing else will happen. No POST, fans or
> anything. This system should power up and at least post (there's no OS
> yet). I have lost count of all the systems that I have built and /or
> reconditioned and have been certified sence Mar. 2001 so I'm not a
> novice. I know that this is some SIMPLE thing that I'm overlooking but
> any suggestions I would sure appriciate!!!
>
> davemeek
>
>

You have received a number of good suggestions on your problem. If none
of them solve your problem you could try removing the mb from the case
and then powering it up. I have seen mounting problems cause some strange
things.

Good luck.

--
\//\P0R

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...
I want to achieve it through not dying." -- Woody Allen

techshare

2004-04-02, 2:24 am

A 60GB and a ..... 4GB? You guys drive me nuts!
"davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
news:wlMac.3720$sd5.2242@okepread02...
> Hello all, it's been a long time sence I've posted...
>
> So, heres the deal. I'm building a new computer with mostly new parts. It
> is a P4 socket 423 (new), Biostar socket 423 MB (new), ATX mid case (new),
> CD-RW 32x12x48 (new), 60.1 GIG HDD (used but known good), 4.0 GIG HDD
(used
> but known good), floppy (used but known good), 94 MB RAM (used but known
> good).
>
> This is the configuration:
>
>
> 60.1 GIG HDD is set up as PRI master
> 4.0 GIG HDD is set up as PRI slave
> CD-RW is set up as SEC master
> Floppy is the only drive on that controller.
>
> I have gone over the submini connectors and they are all correct and are
the
> correct polarity. at power up the only thing I get is the power LED will
> lite up. Nothing else will happen. No POST, fans or anything. This system
> should power up and at least post (there's no OS yet). I have lost count
of
> all the systems that I have built and /or reconditioned and have been
> certified sence Mar. 2001 so I'm not a novice. I know that this is some
> SIMPLE thing that I'm overlooking but any suggestions I would sure
> appriciate!!!
>
> davemeek
>
>

Tony

2004-04-02, 3:24 am

>You have received a number of good suggestions on your problem. If none
>of them solve your problem you could try removing the mb from the case
>and then powering it up. I have seen mounting problems cause some strange
>things.

This is true. Are you sure that there are no screw posts under the motherboard that do not line up
with the screw holes? If so, they could be shorting the board out. Pull the MB and be sure there
isnt a stray screw post touching the bottom of the motherboard.

Tony

Nigel Kendrick

2004-04-02, 6:24 am

"davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
news:LX4bc.3820$sd5.2141@okepread02...
>
> "Nigel Kendrick" < nkendrick@atthecustomerservice
academydot.com> wrote in
> message news:c4hnaa$82h$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> nope, the # 1 stripe is toward the molex...
>
> thanks tho davemeek
>
>

Ah, but if it's an 80-way UDMA cable, the BLUE connector must be the one
connected to the motherboard, not the BLACK - that's the 'way round' I was
thinking about, not the stripey issue - anyway, just check that you don't
have one of the 0.00000001% of hard drives that don't have pin 1 next to the
molex!? Mind you, it's usually tape streamers that get you on that one.

Good luck anyway.

NK

Navin R. Johnson

2004-04-02, 2:24 pm

On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:02:21 -0600, "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote:

<>>snip
>
>This is actually the SECOND new MB I've tried. I can understand getting a
>bad MB but two in a row? I have already tried all that you suggested and now
>I'm at the end of my knowlege. The voltages are all correct (both logic and
>drive / fan motors) I get no power (from a KNOWN good PS) with nothing
>socked except for the CPU. nothing, unplug all subminis with the exception
>of the power on connector, nothing. The first thing I varified when I took
>the case out of the box was the power switch. It is set correctly at 115vac.
>Maybe I did get a bad MB again?
>
>Thanks,
>
>davemeek

Maybe, but very unlikely. Two motherboards with the same exact symptom
is a stretch. I buy a lot of BioStar mobo's and get maybe one in fifty
with problems right out of the box. Could it be the CPU? At this point
I'd probably remove the motherboard from the case and try running it
outside - ya never know - it might be touching something in the case.
Then try a different CPU. After that, if it still doesn't work you can
officially start pulling your hair out. But wait - could it be something
stupid? Like the 'clear CMOS' jumper in the wrong position? Have you
checked that?

Whatever happens, please post an update as I would really like to know
what the problem is too.

Good luck,
Navin R. Johnson

Tom MacIntyre

2004-04-02, 7:24 pm

David Hough

2004-04-02, 8:24 pm

Nigel,
You're good!
Dave

davemeek

2004-04-02, 11:24 pm

"Navin R. Johnson" <TheJerk@optigrab.net> wrote in message
news:54br60tn84rnddh0fa4shtded
9037o3qik@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:02:21 -0600, "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote:
>
> <>>snip
now[color=blue]
and[color=blue]
exception[color=blue]
took[color=blue]
115vac.[color=blue]
>
> Maybe, but very unlikely. Two motherboards with the same exact symptom
> is a stretch. I buy a lot of BioStar mobo's and get maybe one in fifty
> with problems right out of the box. Could it be the CPU? At this point
> I'd probably remove the motherboard from the case and try running it
> outside - ya never know - it might be touching something in the case.
> Then try a different CPU. After that, if it still doesn't work you can
> officially start pulling your hair out. But wait - could it be something
> stupid? Like the 'clear CMOS' jumper in the wrong position? Have you
> checked that?
>
> Whatever happens, please post an update as I would really like to know
> what the problem is too.
>
> Good luck,
> Navin R. Johnson

Actually I have on both suggestions. The 'clear cmos' jumper is in the
"parked" position and I have tried the MB outside the case resting on a
nonconductive mat and still nothing. The CPU is streight out of the box new
and I only have the one.

Let me ask you this... will an ATX MB spin the fans without the CPU in the
socket? I'v never tried this before...

thanks,

davemeek

davemeek

2004-04-02, 11:24 pm

"Nigel Kendrick" < nkendrick@atthecustomerservice
academydot.com> wrote in
message news:c4jdqt$ngg$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:LX4bc.3820$sd5.2141@okepread02...
>
> Ah, but if it's an 80-way UDMA cable, the BLUE connector must be the one
> connected to the motherboard, not the BLACK - that's the 'way round' I was
> thinking about, not the stripey issue - anyway, just check that you don't
> have one of the 0.00000001% of hard drives that don't have pin 1 next to
the
> molex!? Mind you, it's usually tape streamers that get you on that one.
>
> Good luck anyway.
>
> NK
>
>

Yes, I did forget to mention that but it is plugged in that way (with the
blue connedtor plugged into the primary controller... Yes the HDD pin
designation is molded into the drive itself.

Thanks tho,

davemeek

davemeek

2004-04-02, 11:24 pm

"Vapor" <dontbother@eventrying.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94BFAF49499CVapor@216.196.105.130...
> As with all things, even this tidbit found in alt.certification.a-plus
> proffered by davemeek shall pass.
>
>
> You have received a number of good suggestions on your problem. If none
> of them solve your problem you could try removing the mb from the case
> and then powering it up. I have seen mounting problems cause some strange
> things.
>
> Good luck.
>
> --
> \//\P0R
>
> "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...
> I want to achieve it through not dying." -- Woody Allen

Yes me as well once in the past... I have taken the MB out of the case (in
fact I did this with BOTH MBs with the same result) Zippo

thanks anyway

davemeek

davemeek

2004-04-03, 1:24 am

"Tony" <tonyrusso@ureach.com > wrote in message
news:hp3q60tvsvoan0up80aett967
142rs91gl@4ax.com...
>
> This is true. Are you sure that there are no screw posts under the
motherboard that do not line up
> with the screw holes? If so, they could be shorting the board out. Pull
the MB and be sure there
> isnt a stray screw post touching the bottom of the motherboard.
>
> Tony
>

I have and all is as it should be (used very loosly as the thing STILL will
not spin a fan let alone POST)

thanks davemeek

davemeek

2004-04-03, 1:24 am

"techshare" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:rY-dnTdlnqfBlfDdRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> A 60GB and a ..... 4GB? You guys drive me nuts!
> "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:wlMac.3720$sd5.2242@okepread02...
It[color=blue]
(new),[color=blue]
> (used
> the
system[color=blue]
> of
>
>

I remember a time not so long ago when 4 GB was simply HUGE!!! Actually that
drive was to be used as a back up for importaint system files (to me like
"favorites" and folders like that. Nothing that XP backs naturally.

davemeek

Navin R. Johnson

2004-04-03, 12:24 pm

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:19:28 -0600, "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote:

<snip snip snip>

>
>Actually I have on both suggestions. The 'clear cmos' jumper is in the
>"parked" position and I have tried the MB outside the case resting on a
>nonconductive mat and still nothing. The CPU is streight out of the box new
>and I only have the one.
>
>Let me ask you this... will an ATX MB spin the fans without the CPU in the
>socket? I'v never tried this before...
>
>thanks,
>
>davemeek

Good question! I may have tried that with an AMD ATX motherboard at one
time but I can't remember for sure - must be getting old. I can't
imagine that it will hurt anything to try though, and it may even tell
you if the cpu is bad?? What the hell, give it a go.

One more dumb question, does the fan on the P/S spin?
Good luck.

NRJ

davemeek

2004-04-03, 11:24 pm

"Navin R. Johnson" <TheJerk@optigrab.net> wrote in message
news:80ot60hsojnj1qv5ckemtrbr8
v9sqm3ekb@4ax.com...
>
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:19:28 -0600, "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote:
>
> <snip snip snip>
>
new[color=blue]
the[color=blue]
>
> Good question! I may have tried that with an AMD ATX motherboard at one
> time but I can't remember for sure - must be getting old. I can't
> imagine that it will hurt anything to try though, and it may even tell
> you if the cpu is bad?? What the hell, give it a go.
>
> One more dumb question, does the fan on the P/S spin?
> Good luck.
>
> NRJ
No and as a matter of fact, I just tried another PS and had the same result.
No fans anywhere. These same PSs will fire up other ATX boards I have, and
then right after I have confermed that it is NOT the PS, neither one will
power on the two P4 boards. This is really something... it is as if there is
a ghost presence keeping the new board from working even though there is
absolutly NOTHING out of place, or incorrect in any way. I'm so completely
confused with this! I have tried everything under the sun with the same
result. I thought that I must be overlooking something so I posted to this
group. I have gotten some very good advice from you all here, but everything
I have herd from this group I have already tried before I posted.... I swear
I'm going nuts with this thing!!!

Thanks again,

davemeek

Vapor

2004-04-04, 12:24 am

As with all things, even this tidbit found in alt.certification.a-plus
proffered by davemeek shall pass.

> No and as a matter of fact, I just tried another PS and had the same
> result. No fans anywhere. These same PSs will fire up other ATX boards
> I have, and then right after I have confermed that it is NOT the PS,
> neither one will power on the two P4 boards. This is really
> something... it is as if there is a ghost presence keeping the new
> board from working even though there is absolutly NOTHING out of
> place, or incorrect in any way. I'm so completely confused with this!
> I have tried everything under the sun with the same result. I thought
> that I must be overlooking something so I posted to this group. I have
> gotten some very good advice from you all here, but everything I have
> herd from this group I have already tried before I posted.... I swear
> I'm going nuts with this thing!!!
>
> Thanks again,
>
> davemeek
>
>
>

Well, I would agree that is definitely confusing.

Have you tried using a meter and testing the outlet or power cord.
When you tried the other ATX boards with the PS's did you use the same
case? Perhaps test for continuity across the power button on the case.

--
\//\P0R

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...
I want to achieve it through not dying." -- Woody Allen

davemeek

2004-04-04, 3:24 pm

"Vapor" <dontbother@eventrying.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C0F24ED3470Vapor@216
.196.105.130...
> As with all things, even this tidbit found in alt.certification.a-plus
> proffered by davemeek shall pass.
>
>
> Well, I would agree that is definitely confusing.
>
> Have you tried using a meter and testing the outlet or power cord.
> When you tried the other ATX boards with the PS's did you use the same
> case? Perhaps test for continuity across the power button on the case.
>
> --
> \//\P0R
>
> "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...
> I want to achieve it through not dying." -- Woody Allen

I've tried this as well, the power at the outlet is 110 VAC. The power
switch does have continuity as long as the (momentary contact) butten is
pushed in. At this point I am at a complete loss as to what the problem
could be.

Thanks to everyone here for all the good suggestions anyway!

davemeek

Jimmy

2004-04-07, 12:25 pm

"davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
news:MX4bc.3822$sd5.1873@okepread02...
>
> The first MB I tried came with two dummy sticks in bank # 1 with bank # 0
> empty. I put two (exactly matching) sticks of RDRAM in bank # 0 so both
> banks were occupied. no power. Went out and bought a nother new MB that
uses
> the older 64 bit DIMMs and still no power. I have tried different PSs with
> the same result.
> thanks, davemeek
>
>

I took a look at the biostar site and found only one model board for the P4
socket 423, the M7TDR. Is this the correct model board?

davemeek

2004-04-07, 10:24 pm

"Jimmy" <whoknows@whocares.com> wrote in message
news:jlVcc.12$VE5.3@lakeread01...
>
> "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:MX4bc.3822$sd5.1873@okepread02...
0[color=blue]
> uses
with[color=blue]
>
> I took a look at the biostar site and found only one model board for the
P4
> socket 423, the M7TDR. Is this the correct model board?
>
>

Yes is is, did you find out something about this board?

davemeek

Jimmy

2004-04-08, 1:24 am

"davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
news:BX1dc.1628$wb4.209@okepread02...
>
>
> Yes is is, did you find out something about this board?
>
> davemeek
>
Yes I did find the manual and the jumper settings for the board. Looking at
your posts and comparing it to the manual the most startling thing is that
this board takes 168-pin, 3.3v unbuffered SDRAM - PC133. Bank 0 must be
used, then Bank 1, etc. The note indicated that if you use single-sided in
Bank 3, then you had to do the same in Bank 4, no mixing of single and
double-sided DIMMs in these two banks. They didn't indicate if this is the
same for Banks 0 and 1.
http://www.biostar.com.tw/support/manual/archives.php3 For this board I
found jumper settings, manual, and such in the archive motherboard section.
You may want to dl these for review.

It is odd that you received no post code. You indicate the cpu is good, so
their should have been some beep codes emitted -- unless you didn't connect
a speaker to the MB's front panel connector. Another possibility is the CPU
fan sensor on the MB wasn't detecting the presence of a cpu fan and shutdown
the cpu.

Jimmy

davemeek

2004-04-08, 10:24 pm

"Jimmy" <whoknows@whocares.com> wrote in message
news:Vg4dc.846$VE5.682@lakeread01...
>
> "davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:BX1dc.1628$wb4.209@okepread02...
> Yes I did find the manual and the jumper settings for the board. Looking
at
> your posts and comparing it to the manual the most startling thing is that
> this board takes 168-pin, 3.3v unbuffered SDRAM - PC133. Bank 0 must be
> used, then Bank 1, etc. The note indicated that if you use single-sided
in
> Bank 3, then you had to do the same in Bank 4, no mixing of single and
> double-sided DIMMs in these two banks. They didn't indicate if this is
the
> same for Banks 0 and 1.
> http://www.biostar.com.tw/support/manual/archives.php3 For this board I
> found jumper settings, manual, and such in the archive motherboard
section.
> You may want to dl these for review.
>
> It is odd that you received no post code. You indicate the cpu is good,
so
> their should have been some beep codes emitted -- unless you didn't
connect
> a speaker to the MB's front panel connector. Another possibility is the
CPU
> fan sensor on the MB wasn't detecting the presence of a cpu fan and
shutdown
> the cpu.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
I knew that about the memory but your last suggetion, there are three plugs
for a fan on that MB, CPU, CASE, and something else I can't remember at the
moment. The plug for the case is in left field but the other two are next to
each other. HMMMM This is a very good suggestion. The CPU plug is always
close to the socket and in this case because there is two close together, I
suppose I could have used the wrong plug for the CPU. This weekend I'll test
that idea

thanks a lot

davemeek

Jimmy

2004-04-08, 10:24 pm

"davemeek" <guess@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5Imdc.3996$wb4.1258@okepread02...
> I knew that about the memory but your last suggetion, there are three
plugs
> for a fan on that MB, CPU, CASE, and something else I can't remember at
the
> moment. The plug for the case is in left field but the other two are next
to
> each other. HMMMM This is a very good suggestion. The CPU plug is always
> close to the socket and in this case because there is two close together,
I
> suppose I could have used the wrong plug for the CPU. This weekend I'll
test
> that idea
>
> thanks a lot
>
> davemeek
>
The cpu fan connector is next to the DIMM slots. If you get the power led
to light and the HDD spinning, but no other sign of life, take a look at the
memory modules. Good Luck!

CrlSprgs77

2004-05-06, 11:12 pm

Just wondering if there were any new developments or a success story. I've been reading this posting over the last week or so, because unfortunately I find myself in the same boat. Same board, new P4, new case, known good hardware, and nothing but a Power LED & no fans. Hope davemeek returns with a successful installation story & details.

Sponsored Links