alt.certification.a-plus - Are there jobs in I.T. out there? In UK

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Are there jobs in I.T. out there? In UK

Eileen Foster

2003-07-28, 4:24 pm

From looking on the M.C.S.E. newsgroup a lot of it says they're no longer
looking to recriut people for I.T. jobs unless you have a few years
experience as well as qualifications.

Is this true if so were can you get experience or jobs which hire people
with just certifications, as i'm starting to feel a bit worried about this.

Peter B

2003-07-28, 8:23 pm

"Eileen Foster" <ccfoster@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:I3fVa.737$FQ1.349101@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
> From looking on the M.C.S.E. newsgroup a lot of it says they're no longer
> looking to recriut people for I.T. jobs unless you have a few years
> experience as well as qualifications.
>
> Is this true if so were can you get experience or jobs which hire people
> with just certifications, as i'm starting to feel a bit worried about
this.
>

Yes unfortunately this is true. I finished my A+ over a year ago and I'm
still looking for employment in the IT industry. The problem is that so
many people have certifications and even people that have degrees are being
certified as well. So basically if all you have is a certification and no
experience then your chances of finding employment are very slim. As for
businesses that only hire people with just certifications, well I haven't
met one yet. As I said there are so many people that want an IT job and
more people on the way, businesses can pick and choose who they want unlike
a few years back when they would employ people if they knew just how to
switch one on. If you still wish to pursue a career in IT then it is going
to be hard work. Your best bet is to ask a charity or voluntary
organisation if they need help with their systems, that way you can get
experience but this is often unpaid. I personally have given up trying to
get an IT job and am instead applying for a job as a Policeman with Met
Police. At the moment the UK needs trade craftsman/women such as plumbers,
electricians , carpenters etc, they are often paid more as well. So ask
yourself if IT is what you really want to do and if so are you prepared to
work hard enough (to get experience unpaid voluntary) just to get a junior
position with little pay compared to a few years ago?

At the end of the day the decision is yours. I'm biased against IT because
of my experience of trying to find a job, but hey, you could get lucky.

Hope it helps.

Peter.

SolarCarrot

2003-07-30, 7:24 am

Peter B is right, there are a lot of experienced IT Pros out of work at the
moment, pay has decreased and employers are getting 100+ applications for
entry level jobs. Having said that don't get too disheartened, keep doing
your study and get your certs, do it for yourself and if you are determined
enough you can do it, but it won't be easy, I was a Network Manager for a
software company, we had a team of 4 and we were all made redundant, I was
lucky and got a job straight away but the other 3 didn't, an Oracle DBA with
15 yrs experience ended up taking a junior database admin role paying £18k !
The other two are still out of work 9 months on. The IT industry is swamped
with too many "paper" professionals who braindumped their way to MCSE and
the like, and like Peter B says, graduates also struggle to find work and
have certified also, it is not the goldmine training companies would have u
believe.

"Eileen Foster" <ccfoster@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:I3fVa.737$FQ1.349101@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
> From looking on the M.C.S.E. newsgroup a lot of it says they're no longer
> looking to recriut people for I.T. jobs unless you have a few years
> experience as well as qualifications.
>
> Is this true if so were can you get experience or jobs which hire people
> with just certifications, as i'm starting to feel a bit worried about
this.
>
>

Peter B

2003-07-30, 2:24 pm

"SolarCarrot" <Solarremovecarrot@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Peter B is right, there are a lot of experienced IT Pros out of work at
the
> moment, pay has decreased and employers are getting 100+ applications for
> entry level jobs. Having said that don't get too disheartened, keep doing
> your study and get your certs, do it for yourself and if you are
determined
> enough you can do it, but it won't be easy, I was a Network Manager for a
> software company, we had a team of 4 and we were all made redundant, I was
> lucky and got a job straight away but the other 3 didn't, an Oracle DBA
with
> 15 yrs experience ended up taking a junior database admin role paying £18k
!
> The other two are still out of work 9 months on. The IT industry is
swamped
> with too many "paper" professionals who braindumped their way to MCSE and
> the like, and like Peter B says, graduates also struggle to find work and
> have certified also, it is not the goldmine training companies would have
u
> believe.

I do think that training companies have played a part in the way the
industry has gone. There are so many advertisements in the papers stating
that you could earn up to x amount of money per week if you take one of
their courses and of course everyone would like to earn that amount of money
but in reality the jobs don't exist anymore and they are not paying anything
like they used to. Also Mr Blair has paid a part when he urged people to
take up occupations in IT and that we should all be so worried about the Y2K
bug. So the industry is saturated with people who have certs, and there is
nothing wrong in that, I myself am certified but now they are not even worth
the paper they are printed on.

So please think long and hard before making the jump as they dont come
cheap. I'm praying for the day when the situation is reversed where there
are too many plumbers/electricians and not enough IT staff.

Good luck

Peter

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