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| Hi.
Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
history.
I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
WinXP.
First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the laptop.
The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
manager both have no problems.
Any help would be great.
Darren
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| Tom MacIntyre 2003-03-22, 9:23 am |
| On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:12:27 -0000, "1470"
<wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi.
>Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
>history.
>I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
>I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
>WinXP.
>
>First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the laptop.
>The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
>unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
>Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
>Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
>
>You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
>I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
>manager both have no problems.
>Any help would be great.
>
>Darren
>
Have you tried different cables?
Tom
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| Hello Tom, i havent given up on this networking lark just yet. Ok. I have a
blue cable and a yellow cable.
Desktop- blue to hub
Laptop - yellow to hub
I have swapped, and at this moment, i still have the laptop pcmcia card
claiming to be unplugged and the desktop is working ok
Thanks
Darren
"Tom MacIntyre" <tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7sso7vsi4sb14i52cb77t4htf
10049hukg@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:12:27 -0000, "1470"
> <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Hi.
> >Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
> >history.
> >I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> >I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
> >WinXP.
> >
> >First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the laptop.
> >The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> >unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> >Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> >Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> >
> >You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> >I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
> >manager both have no problems.
> >Any help would be great.
> >
> >Darren
> >
>
> Have you tried different cables?
>
> Tom
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| Jerome Stanek 2003-03-22, 9:23 am |
| First off you will need a crossover cable to connect directly from laptop to
desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the dasiy chain
switched on.
"1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> Hi.
> Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
> history.
> I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
> WinXP.
>
> First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the laptop.
> The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
>
> You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
> manager both have no problems.
> Any help would be great.
>
> Darren
>
>
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| Can i add, that the green light on the desktop nic is on. On the PCMCIA card
i have a connector for the cable. There are three words and three led's
ACT - green light on
0/100 - no light
Link - green light on.
Thanks
Darren
"Tom MacIntyre" <tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7sso7vsi4sb14i52cb77t4htf
10049hukg@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:12:27 -0000, "1470"
> <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Hi.
> >Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
> >history.
> >I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> >I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
> >WinXP.
> >
> >First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the laptop.
> >The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> >unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> >Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> >Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> >
> >You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> >I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
> >manager both have no problems.
> >Any help would be great.
> >
> >Darren
> >
>
> Have you tried different cables?
>
> Tom
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| In article <3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, "1470"
<wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi.
> Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
> history.
> I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
> WinXP.
>
> First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the laptop.
> The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
>
> You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
> manager both have no problems.
> Any help would be great.
>
> Darren
If you are connecting like devices (PC to PC), then you need a crossover
cable...
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| This is what was included in the billy basic kit i bought.
It is a simple Unex 10Mbps Ethernet network in a box.
One 5 port 10Mbps hub
two 10/100 Mbps PCI adaptor
two 7.6m Cat 5 cable
In the laptop there is a EagleTec Ethernet Lan 100 Base PCMCIA card
Sorry for the basic info, but really appreciate you taking time to help
Darren
"Jerome Stanek" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:tG_ea.102379$jP2.17692636@twister.neo.rr.com...
> First off you will need a crossover cable to connect directly from laptop
to
> desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the dasiy chain
> switched on.
>
> "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > Hi.
> > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
> > history.
> > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
> > WinXP.
> >
> > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the
laptop.
> > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> >
> > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
> > manager both have no problems.
> > Any help would be great.
> >
> > Darren
> >
> >
>
>
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| The PC Guy 2003-03-22, 10:23 am |
| Hello:
I suspect one cable is a normal CAT5 cable and the other is a crossover.
I further suspect the yellow cable is the crossover.
As someone else said, to run a cable directly from one computer to
another, you should use a crossover cable. If you are using a hub, you
should use normal CAT5 cables for both computers.
--
regards,
bruce
The PC Guy
Bruce Von Deylen
South Bend, Ind. USA
Serving the computer impaired in northern
Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
"1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e7c77cd$0$231$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> This is what was included in the billy basic kit i bought.
> It is a simple Unex 10Mbps Ethernet network in a box.
> One 5 port 10Mbps hub
> two 10/100 Mbps PCI adaptor
> two 7.6m Cat 5 cable
>
> In the laptop there is a EagleTec Ethernet Lan 100 Base PCMCIA card
>
> Sorry for the basic info, but really appreciate you taking time to help
>
> Darren
>
> "Jerome Stanek" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:tG_ea.102379$jP2.17692636@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > First off you will need a crossover cable to connect directly from
laptop
> to
> > desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the dasiy chain
> > switched on.
> >
> > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > Hi.
> > > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network
in[co
lor=darkred]
> > > history.
> > > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> > > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
> > > WinXP.
> > >
> > > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the
> laptop.
> > > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> > > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> > > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> > >
> > > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in[/color]
system
> > > manager both have no problems.
> > > Any help would be great.
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Hi.
Apparently according to the box, both cables are Cat5.
If i connect one of the cables directly from the laptop to the pc, only one
will work. If i turn off both computers, and remove the pcmcia card and
restart the laptop, and reconnect the card when windows boots up, it works
fine. As soon as the desktop pc boots up, the desktop nic gives the cable
unplugged error.
Now if i turn off both computers and connect a cable from the laptop to the
hub without any other cables plugged into the hub, turn off, remove pcmcia
card, restart and push in card on boot up, it works fine. As soon as i plug
the desktop into hub, the pcmcia nic gives the error.
The same is i do it with the desktop.
I can get both cards to work seperately, but not together.
The hub has 5 ports and an uplink port. It has no switches or buttons.
There would appear to be a conflict between the EagleTec PCMCIA nic and the
Realtec nic in the desktop.
Thanks
Darren
"The PC Guy" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:v7p2k1g3m7cf87@corp.supernews.com...
> Hello:
> I suspect one cable is a normal CAT5 cable and the other is a
crossover.
> I further suspect the yellow cable is the crossover.
> As someone else said, to run a cable directly from one computer to
> another, you should use a crossover cable. If you are using a hub, you
> should use normal CAT5 cables for both computers.
> --
> regards,
> bruce
>
> The PC Guy
> Bruce Von Deylen
> South Bend, Ind. USA
> Serving the computer impaired in northern
> Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
>
> E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
>
>
> "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e7c77cd$0$231$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > This is what was included in the billy basic kit i bought.
> > It is a simple Unex 10Mbps Ethernet network in a box.
> > One 5 port 10Mbps hub
> > two 10/100 Mbps PCI adaptor
> > two 7.6m Cat 5 cable
> >
> > In the laptop there is a EagleTec Ethernet Lan 100 Base PCMCIA card
> >
> > Sorry for the basic info, but really appreciate you taking time to help
> >
> > Darren
> >
> > "Jerome Stanek" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:tG_ea.102379$jP2.17692636@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > First off you will need a crossover cable to connect directly from
> laptop
> > to
> > > desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the dasiy chain
> > > switched on.
> > >
> > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > Hi.
> > > > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network
> in
> > > > history.
> > > > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> > > > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is
running
> > > > WinXP.
> > > >
> > > > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the
> > laptop.
> > > > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> > > > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > > > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> > > > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> > > >
> > > > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > > > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in
> system
> > > > manager both have no problems.
> > > > Any help would be great.
> > > >
> > > > Darren
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| vernonOJ 2003-03-22, 12:23 pm |
|
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2203030941150001@1.0.0.3...
> In article <3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, "1470"
> <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
> > history.
> > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
> > WinXP.
> >
> > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the
laptop.
> > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> >
> > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
> > manager both have no problems.
> > Any help would be great.
> >
> > Darren
>
> If you are connecting like devices (PC to PC), then you need a crossover
> cable...
Right
AND
When using a HUB, neither cable can be a crossover cable.
| |
| vernonOJ 2003-03-22, 12:23 pm |
|
"1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e7c8cd7$0$4851$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
> Hi.
> Apparently according to the box, both cables are Cat5.
CAT 5 is the "type" of cable, not the connection pattern.
Straight and crossover can both be CAT 5 or CAT 6.
He's probably right. I would suspect the yellow cable. (No sure bets.)
> If i connect one of the cables directly from the laptop to the pc, only
one
> will work. If i turn off both computers, and remove the pcmcia card and
> restart the laptop, and reconnect the card when windows boots up, it works
> fine. As soon as the desktop pc boots up, the desktop nic gives the cable
> unplugged error.
> Now if i turn off both computers and connect a cable from the laptop to
the
> hub without any other cables plugged into the hub, turn off, remove pcmcia
> card, restart and push in card on boot up, it works fine. As soon as i
plug
> the desktop into hub, the pcmcia nic gives the error.
> The same is i do it with the desktop.
> I can get both cards to work seperately, but not together.
> The hub has 5 ports and an uplink port. It has no switches or buttons.
> There would appear to be a conflict between the EagleTec PCMCIA nic and
the
> Realtec nic in the desktop.
>
> Thanks
>
> Darren
> "The PC Guy" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:v7p2k1g3m7cf87@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hello:
> > I suspect one cable is a normal CAT5 cable and the other is a
> crossover.
> > I further suspect the yellow cable is the crossover.
> > As someone else said, to run a cable directly from one computer to
> > another, you should use a crossover cable. If you are using a hub, you
> > should use normal CAT5 cables for both computers.
> > --
> > regards,
> > bruce
> >
> > The PC Guy
> > Bruce Von Deylen
> > South Bend, Ind. USA
> > Serving the computer impaired in northern
> > Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
> >
> > E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
> >
> >
> > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3e7c77cd$0$231$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > This is what was included in the billy basic kit i bought.
> > > It is a simple Unex 10Mbps Ethernet network in a box.
> > > One 5 port 10Mbps hub
> > > two 10/100 Mbps PCI adaptor
> > > two 7.6m Cat 5 cable
> > >
> > > In the laptop there is a EagleTec Ethernet Lan 100 Base PCMCIA card
> > >
> > > Sorry for the basic info, but really appreciate you taking time to
help[
color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > > "Jerome Stanek" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > > news:tG_ea.102379$jP2.17692636@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > > First off you will need a crossover cable to connect directly from
> > laptop
> > > to
> > > > desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the dasiy[/color]
chain
> > > > switched on.
> > > >
> > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > Hi.
> > > > > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home
network
> > in
> > > > > history.
> > > > > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> > > > > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is
> running
> > > > > WinXP.
> > > > >
> > > > > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the
> > > laptop.
> > > > > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable
was[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > > > > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> > > > > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> > > > >
> > > > > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > > > > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in
> > system
> > > > > manager both have no problems.
> > > > > Any help would be great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Darren
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
| |
|
| It is a beginners kit, and i have used this kit with two desktop pc's
containing the two cards that came in the kit, and the two cables that came
with the kit.
That worked fine.
I have examined the cables, that are both identical and according to a
diagram of a crossover cable, they are not this.
The hub also came with the kit.
The only difference between the previous setup and the one now is that i am
using a laptop with it's own pcmcia card to try to connect to the hub, etc.
Thanks
Darren
"vernonOJ" <vernono@nopamcontractor.net> wrote in message
news:Zy1fa.4042$762.1950@news2.west.cox.net...
>
> "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e7c8cd7$0$4851$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
> > Hi.
> > Apparently according to the box, both cables are Cat5.
>
> CAT 5 is the "type" of cable, not the connection pattern.
> Straight and crossover can both be CAT 5 or CAT 6.
> He's probably right. I would suspect the yellow cable. (No sure bets.)
>
> > If i connect one of the cables directly from the laptop to the pc, only
> one
> > will work. If i turn off both computers, and remove the pcmcia card and
> > restart the laptop, and reconnect the card when windows boots up, it
works
> > fine. As soon as the desktop pc boots up, the desktop nic gives the
cable
> > unplugged error.
> > Now if i turn off both computers and connect a cable from the laptop to
> the
> > hub without any other cables plugged into the hub, turn off, remove
pcmcia
> > card, restart and push in card on boot up, it works fine. As soon as i
> plug
> > the desktop into hub, the pcmcia nic gives the error.
> > The same is i do it with the desktop.
> > I can get both cards to work seperately, but not together.
> > The hub has 5 ports and an uplink port. It has no switches or buttons.
> > There would appear to be a conflict between the EagleTec PCMCIA nic and
> the
> > Realtec nic in the desktop.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Darren
> > "The PC Guy" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > news:v7p2k1g3m7cf87@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Hello:
> > > I suspect one cable is a normal CAT5 cable and the other is a
> > crossover.
> > > I further suspect the yellow cable is the crossover.
> > > As someone else said, to run a cable directly from one computer to
> > > another, you should use a crossover cable. If you are using a hub, you
> > > should use normal CAT5 cables for both computers.
> > > --
> > > regards,
> > > bruce
> > >
> > > The PC Guy
> > > Bruce Von Deylen
> > > South Bend, Ind. USA
> > > Serving the computer impaired in northern
> > > Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
> > >
> > > E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
> > >
> > >
> > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:3e7c77cd$0$231$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > This is what was included in the billy basic kit i bought.
> > > > It is a simple Unex 10Mbps Ethernet network in a box.
> > > > One 5 port 10Mbps hub
> > > > two 10/100 Mbps PCI adaptor
> > > > two 7.6m Cat 5 cable
> > > >
> > > > In the laptop there is a EagleTec Ethernet Lan 100 Base PCMCIA card
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for the basic info, but really appreciate you taking time to
> help
> > > >
> > > > Darren
> > > >
> > > > "Jerome Stanek" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:tG_ea.102379$jP2.17692636@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > > > First off you will need a crossover cable to connect directly from
> > > laptop
> > > > to
> > > > > desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the dasiy
> chain
> > > > > switched on.
> > > > >
> > > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home
> network
> > > in
> > > > > > history.
> > > > > > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> > > > > > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is
> > running
> > > > > > WinXP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to
the[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > laptop.
> > > > > > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable
> was
> > > > > > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > > > > > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results[/color]
reversed. [colo
r=darkred]
> > > > > > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > > > > > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and[/color]
in[co
lor=darkred]
> > > system
> > > > > > manager both have no problems.
> > > > > > Any help would be great.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Darren
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
| |
| The PC Guy 2003-03-23, 10:23 am |
| Hello 1470:
I guess the first thing I'd try is to connect one of the computers into
the uplink port on the hub.
If that doesn't work, you might consider replacing one of the NICs with
a different brand of NIC. If you do have a conflict between card types, this
would be the only way to fix it.
--
regards,
bruce
The PC Guy
Bruce Von Deylen
South Bend, Ind. USA
Serving the computer impaired in northern
Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
"1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e7ca85c$0$21991$cc9e4d1f
@news.dial.pipex.com...
> It is a beginners kit, and i have used this kit with two desktop pc's
> containing the two cards that came in the kit, and the two cables that
came
> with the kit.
> That worked fine.
> I have examined the cables, that are both identical and according to a
> diagram of a crossover cable, they are not this.
> The hub also came with the kit.
> The only difference between the previous setup and the one now is that i
am
> using a laptop with it's own pcmcia card to try to connect to the hub,
etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> Darren
>
> "vernonOJ" <vernono@nopamcontractor.net> wrote in message
> news:Zy1fa.4042$762.1950@news2.west.cox.net...
> >
> > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3e7c8cd7$0$4851$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
> > > Hi.
> > > Apparently according to the box, both cables are Cat5.
> >
> > CAT 5 is the "type" of cable, not the connection pattern.
> > Straight and crossover can both be CAT 5 or CAT 6.
> > He's probably right. I would suspect the yellow cable. (No sure bets.)
> >
> > > If i connect one of the cables directly from the laptop to the pc,
only
> > one
> > > will work. If i turn off both computers, and remove the pcmcia card
and[c
olor=darkred]
> > > restart the laptop, and reconnect the card when windows boots up, it
> works
> > > fine. As soon as the desktop pc boots up, the desktop nic gives the
> cable
> > > unplugged error.
> > > Now if i turn off both computers and connect a cable from the laptop[/color]
to
> > the
> > > hub without any other cables plugged into the hub, turn off, remove
> pcmcia
> > > card, restart and push in card on boot up, it works fine. As soon as i
> > plug
> > > the desktop into hub, the pcmcia nic gives the error.
> > > The same is i do it with the desktop.
> > > I can get both cards to work seperately, but not together.
> > > The hub has 5 ports and an uplink port. It has no switches or buttons.
> > > There would appear to be a conflict between the EagleTec PCMCIA nic
and
> > the
> > > Realtec nic in the desktop.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Darren
> > > "The PC Guy" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:v7p2k1g3m7cf87@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Hello:
> > > > I suspect one cable is a normal CAT5 cable and the other is a
> > > crossover.
> > > > I further suspect the yellow cable is the crossover.
> > > > As someone else said, to run a cable directly from one computer
to[co
lor=darkred]
> > > > another, you should use a crossover cable. If you are using a hub,[/color]
you[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > should use normal CAT5 cables for both computers.
> > > > --
> > > > regards,
> > > > bruce
> > > >
> > > > The PC Guy
> > > > Bruce Von Deylen
> > > > South Bend, Ind. USA
> > > > Serving the computer impaired in northern
> > > > Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
> > > >
> > > > E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > news:3e7c77cd$0$231$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > This is what was included in the billy basic kit i bought.
> > > > > It is a simple Unex 10Mbps Ethernet network in a box.
> > > > > One 5 port 10Mbps hub
> > > > > two 10/100 Mbps PCI adaptor
> > > > > two 7.6m Cat 5 cable
> > > > >
> > > > > In the laptop there is a EagleTec Ethernet Lan 100 Base PCMCIA[/color]
card[
color=darkred]
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for the basic info, but really appreciate you taking time to
> > help
> > > > >
> > > > > Darren
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jerome Stanek" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:tG_ea.102379$jP2.17692636@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > > > > First off you will need a crossover cable to connect directly[/color]
from[
color=darkred]
> > > > laptop
> > > > > to
> > > > > > desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the dasiy
> > chain
> > > > > > switched on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home
> > network
> > > > in
> > > > > > > history.
> > > > > > > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> > > > > > > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is
> > > running
> > > > > > > WinXP.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to
> the
> > > > > laptop.
> > > > > > > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the[/color]
cable
> > was
> > > > > > > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > > > > > > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results
> reversed.
> > > > > > > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > > > > > > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and
> in
> > > > system
> > > > > > > manager both have no problems.
> > > > > > > Any help would be great.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Darren
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
|
| Thanks for everyones help. I think perhaps you are right bruce. I will try a
different nic. It just seems that either will work until i plug the other in
the hub.
Cheers
Darren
"The PC Guy" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:v7rlreopchqj1e@corp.supernews.com...
> Hello 1470:
> I guess the first thing I'd try is to connect one of the computers
into
> the uplink port on the hub.
> If that doesn't work, you might consider replacing one of the NICs
with
> a different brand of NIC. If you do have a conflict between card types,
this
> would be the only way to fix it.
> --
> regards,
> bruce
>
> The PC Guy
> Bruce Von Deylen
> South Bend, Ind. USA
> Serving the computer impaired in northern
> Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
>
> E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
>
>
> "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e7ca85c$0$21991$cc9e4d1f
@news.dial.pipex.com...
> > It is a beginners kit, and i have used this kit with two desktop pc's
> > containing the two cards that came in the kit, and the two cables that
> came
> > with the kit.
> > That worked fine.
> > I have examined the cables, that are both identical and according to a
> > diagram of a crossover cable, they are not this.
> > The hub also came with the kit.
> > The only difference between the previous setup and the one now is that i
> am
> > using a laptop with it's own pcmcia card to try to connect to the hub,
> etc.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Darren
> >
> > "vernonOJ" <vernono@nopamcontractor.net> wrote in message
> > news:Zy1fa.4042$762.1950@news2.west.cox.net...
> > >
> > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:3e7c8cd7$0$4851$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > Hi.
> > > > Apparently according to the box, both cables are Cat5.
> > >
> > > CAT 5 is the "type" of cable, not the connection pattern.
> > > Straight and crossover can both be CAT 5 or CAT 6.
> > > He's probably right. I would suspect the yellow cable. (No sure
bets. )[col
or=darkred]
> > >
> > > > If i connect one of the cables directly from the laptop to the pc,
> only
> > > one
> > > > will work. If i turn off both computers, and remove the pcmcia card
> and
> > > > restart the laptop, and reconnect the card when windows boots up, it
> > works
> > > > fine. As soon as the desktop pc boots up, the desktop nic gives the
> > cable
> > > > unplugged error.
> > > > Now if i turn off both computers and connect a cable from the laptop
> to
> > > the
> > > > hub without any other cables plugged into the hub, turn off, remove
> > pcmcia
> > > > card, restart and push in card on boot up, it works fine. As soon as[/color]
i[col
or=darkred]
> > > plug
> > > > the desktop into hub, the pcmcia nic gives the error.
> > > > The same is i do it with the desktop.
> > > > I can get both cards to work seperately, but not together.
> > > > The hub has 5 ports and an uplink port. It has no switches or[/color]
buttons. [colo
r=darkred]
> > > > There would appear to be a conflict between the EagleTec PCMCIA nic
> and
> > > the
> > > > Realtec nic in the desktop.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Darren
> > > > "The PC Guy" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:v7p2k1g3m7cf87@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Hello:
> > > > > I suspect one cable is a normal CAT5 cable and the other is a
> > > > crossover.
> > > > > I further suspect the yellow cable is the crossover.
> > > > > As someone else said, to run a cable directly from one[/color]
computer
> to
> > > > > another, you should use a crossover cable. If you are using a hub,
> you
> > > > > should use normal CAT5 cables for both computers.
> > > > > --
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > bruce
> > > > >
> > > > > The PC Guy
> > > > > Bruce Von Deylen
> > > > > South Bend, Ind. USA
> > > > > Serving the computer impaired in northern
> > > > > Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
> > > > >
> > > > > E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3e7c77cd$0$231$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > > This is what was included in the billy basic kit i bought.
> > > > > > It is a simple Unex 10Mbps Ethernet network in a box.
> > > > > > One 5 port 10Mbps hub
> > > > > > two 10/100 Mbps PCI adaptor
> > > > > > two 7.6m Cat 5 cable
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the laptop there is a EagleTec Ethernet Lan 100 Base PCMCIA
> card
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for the basic info, but really appreciate you taking time
to[co
lor=darkred]
> > > help
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Darren
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Jerome Stanek" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:tG_ea.102379$jP2.17692636@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > > > > > First off you will need a crossover cable to connect directly
> from
> > > > > laptop
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the[/color]
dasiy
> > > chain
> > > > > > > switched on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home
> > > network
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > history.
> > > > > > > > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running
WinXP. [colo
r=darkred]
> > > > > > > > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop[/color]
is[co
lor=darkred]
> > > > running
> > > > > > > > WinXP.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop[/color]
to
> > the
> > > > > > laptop.
> > > > > > > > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the
> cable
> > > was
> > > > > > > > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > > > > > > > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results
> > reversed.
> > > > > > > > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > > > > > > > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's
and
> > in
> > > > > system
> > > > > > > > manager both have no problems.
> > > > > > > > Any help would be great.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Darren
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Manuel Davila 2003-03-25, 9:23 am |
| Darren,
Are you using a straight forward cable or a CROSSOVER cable?
To connect PC-to-PC you need a crossover cable (568A on one end and 568B on
the other)
This site may help: http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm
Good luck,
Manuel
"1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> Hi.
> Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic home network in
> history.
> I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running WinXP.
> I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This laptop is running
> WinXP.
>
> First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop to the laptop.
> The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the cable was
> unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results reversed.
> Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
>
> You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's and in system
> manager both have no problems.
> Any help would be great.
>
> Darren
>
>
| |
| Billy 2003-03-27, 12:23 pm |
| What protocol are you using? TCP/IP, Netbeui? If the latter, have you
installed XPs from the value added folder on the CD?
There is a direct connection wizard (crossover cable), and a network wizard.
Try searching the XP built-in Help and Support for steps to connect the two
through the hub (home networking). Odds are both cables are patch cables to
use with the kit as supplied. Comp to hub, laptop to hub. Protocol needed.
Workgroup same. Firewall (in XP) should be off, but check.
"1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e7df1d3$0$21989$cc9e4d1f
@news.dial.pipex.com...
> Thanks for everyones help. I think perhaps you are right bruce. I will try
a
> different nic. It just seems that either will work until i plug the other
in
> the hub.
>
> Cheers
>
> Darren
>
> "The PC Guy" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:v7rlreopchqj1e@corp.supernews.com...
> > Hello 1470:
> > I guess the first thing I'd try is to connect one of the computers
> into
> > the uplink port on the hub.
> > If that doesn't work, you might consider replacing one of the NICs
> with
> > a different brand of NIC. If you do have a conflict between card types,
> this
> > would be the only way to fix it.
> > --
> > regards,
> > bruce
> >
> > The PC Guy
> > Bruce Von Deylen
> > South Bend, Ind. USA
> > Serving the computer impaired in northern
> > Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
> >
> > E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
> >
> >
> > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3e7ca85c$0$21991$cc9e4d1f
@news.dial.pipex.com...
> > > It is a beginners kit, and i have used this kit with two desktop pc's
> > > containing the two cards that came in the kit, and the two cables that
> > came
> > > with the kit.
> > > That worked fine.
> > > I have examined the cables, that are both identical and according to
a[col
or=darkred]
> > > diagram of a crossover cable, they are not this.
> > > The hub also came with the kit.
> > > The only difference between the previous setup and the one now is that[/color]
i
> > am
> > > using a laptop with it's own pcmcia card to try to connect to the hub,
> > etc.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > > "vernonOJ" <vernono@nopamcontractor.net> wrote in message
> > > news:Zy1fa.4042$762.1950@news2.west.cox.net...
> > > >
> > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > news:3e7c8cd7$0$4851$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > Hi.
> > > > > Apparently according to the box, both cables are Cat5.
> > > >
> > > > CAT 5 is the "type" of cable, not the connection pattern.
> > > > Straight and crossover can both be CAT 5 or CAT 6.
> > > > He's probably right. I would suspect the yellow cable. (No sure
> bets.)
> > > >
> > > > > If i connect one of the cables directly from the laptop to the pc,
> > only
> > > > one
> > > > > will work. If i turn off both computers, and remove the pcmcia
card
> > and
> > > > > restart the laptop, and reconnect the card when windows boots up,
it[co
lor=darkred]
> > > works
> > > > > fine. As soon as the desktop pc boots up, the desktop nic gives[/color]
the[c
olor=darkred]
> > > cable
> > > > > unplugged error.
> > > > > Now if i turn off both computers and connect a cable from the[/color]
laptop
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > hub without any other cables plugged into the hub, turn off,
remove
> > > pcmcia
> > > > > card, restart and push in card on boot up, it works fine. As soon
as
> i
> > > > plug
> > > > > the desktop into hub, the pcmcia nic gives the error.
> > > > > The same is i do it with the desktop.
> > > > > I can get both cards to work seperately, but not together.
> > > > > The hub has 5 ports and an uplink port. It has no switches or
> buttons.
> > > > > There would appear to be a conflict between the EagleTec PCMCIA
nic
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > Realtec nic in the desktop.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Darren
> > > > > "The PC Guy" <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:v7p2k1g3m7cf87@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > Hello:
> > > > > > I suspect one cable is a normal CAT5 cable and the other is
a[col
or=darkred]
> > > > > crossover.
> > > > > > I further suspect the yellow cable is the crossover.
> > > > > > As someone else said, to run a cable directly from one
> computer
> > to
> > > > > > another, you should use a crossover cable. If you are using a[/color]
hub,
> > you
> > > > > > should use normal CAT5 cables for both computers.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > bruce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The PC Guy
> > > > > > Bruce Von Deylen
> > > > > > South Bend, Ind. USA
> > > > > > Serving the computer impaired in northern
> > > > > > Indiana and southwest lower Michigan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > E-mail: brucevd<at>michiana<dot>org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3e7c77cd$0$231$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > > > This is what was included in the billy basic kit i bought.
> > > > > > > It is a simple Unex 10Mbps Ethernet network in a box.
> > > > > > > One 5 port 10Mbps hub
> > > > > > > two 10/100 Mbps PCI adaptor
> > > > > > > two 7.6m Cat 5 cable
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the laptop there is a EagleTec Ethernet Lan 100 Base PCMCIA
> > card
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry for the basic info, but really appreciate you taking
time
> to
> > > > help
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Darren
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jerome Stanek" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:tG_ea.102379$jP2.17692636@twister.neo.rr.com...
> > > > > > > > First off you will need a crossover cable to connect
directly
> > from
> > > > > > laptop
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > desktop. If your using a hub make sure you don't have the
> dasiy
> > > > chain
> > > > > > > > switched on.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "1470" <wifbwqsiswl@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:3e7c6f4c$0$230$cc9e4d1f@n
ews.dial.pipex.com...
> > > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > > Ok, i am seeking wisdom from you guys on the most basic
home[
color=darkred]
> > > > network
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > history.
> > > > > > > > > I have a desktop with a nic inside. This pc is running
> WinXP.
> > > > > > > > > I also have a laptop with a pcmcia card inside. This[/color]
laptop
> is
> > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > WinXP.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > First i connected using a cable, directly from the desktop
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > laptop.
> > > > > > > > > The nic on the desktop claimed to be disabled because the
> > cable
> > > > was
> > > > > > > > > unplugged. The laptop nic was enabled.
> > > > > > > > > Secondly i connected both through a hub and the results
> > > reversed.
> > > > > > > > > Now the laptop says the cable is unplugged.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You guys have probably seen this a million times. Help.
> > > > > > > > > I used the WinXP disk to setup the networking on both PC's
> and
> > > in
> > > > > > system
> > > > > > > > > manager both have no problems.
> > > > > > > > > Any help would be great.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Darren
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