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System freezing illogically
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| Rob Beattie 2003-11-16, 8:24 am |
| I have a PII 300 running Win98 on an AT system and am experiencing a
puzzling fault.
I get intermittant freezes during and post booting. If it does boot
then a freeze could still happen for a danger period of about an hour
but beyond this 60 minutes the system is as stable as Win98 can be.
This is strange to me as I know that freezes normally occur due to
overheating or dodgy connections(both cable and components) but in
this case it seems to be the opposite because the longer you go the
less chance of a freeze and it never happens after an hour.
So anyone got an idea what is going on?
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"Rob Beattie" <rob@/remove/ghosh.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I have a PII 300 running Win98 on an AT system and am experiencing a
> puzzling fault.
> I get intermittant freezes during and post booting. If it does boot
> then a freeze could still happen for a danger period of about an hour
> but beyond this 60 minutes the system is as stable as Win98 can be.
> This is strange to me as I know that freezes normally occur due to
> overheating or dodgy connections(both cable and components) but in
> this case it seems to be the opposite because the longer you go the
> less chance of a freeze and it never happens after an hour.
> So anyone got an idea what is going on?
I'd look for a fan that is slowing. Maybe after it stays on for an hour or
so it gets hot and runs more freely.
It sounds like something that will get worse as time goes along.
AG
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| DaveVelo 2003-11-16, 11:23 am |
| Had a similar experience with a P1. The culprit turned out to be faulty
cache memory which worsened over time.
"AG" <atenor@email.com> wrote in message
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> "Rob Beattie" <rob@/remove/ghosh.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3fb76e51.217500@text.news.ntlworld.com...
> I'd look for a fan that is slowing. Maybe after it stays on for an hour
or
> so it gets hot and runs more freely.
> It sounds like something that will get worse as time goes along.
> AG
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| David K 2003-11-16, 11:23 am |
| On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:39:08 GMT, rob@/remove/ghosh.co.uk (Rob
Beattie) wrote:
>I have a PII 300 running Win98 on an AT system and am experiencing a
>puzzling fault.
>I get intermittant freezes during and post booting. If it does boot
>then a freeze could still happen for a danger period of about an hour
>but beyond this 60 minutes the system is as stable as Win98 can be.
>This is strange to me as I know that freezes normally occur due to
>overheating or dodgy connections(both cable and components) but in
>this case it seems to be the opposite because the longer you go the
>less chance of a freeze and it never happens after an hour.
>So anyone got an idea what is going on?
I had a similar problem with a busted motherboard. If I could get the
system to boot each time, all would be well. Otherwise, I'd get blue
screens or other errors up the XXX. So what I did was let it hang out
in the BIOS setup for a moment on every cold start, then let it boot
up. Once it was warm, it was fine. I finally eliminated most
everything else as the problem, replaced the mb, and it's been fine
for six months.
It might work for a short-term fix, if you're desperate.
Dave
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| David Hough 2003-11-16, 12:23 pm |
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I got one, at work, doing that. Win98,a AMD cpu, but this one has a 30
gig tape backup which initializes on startup. I got another box, a Dell
running W2K that I might put the tape drive in. Just to rule out the
tape drive.
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| Navin R. Johnson 2003-11-16, 1:23 pm |
| On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:39:08 GMT, rob@/remove/ghosh.co.uk (Rob Beattie)
wrote:
This is simply the old reverse heat problem. And it is logical. Let me
explain.... You have a system that is cold. The video card isn't quite
seated properly. You power it on and get a blank screen. You try again
and again then after five minutes or so it finally boots up and works
fine.... until the next time you try it from a cold start. What's
happening is the video card isn't making good contact when it's cold.
As it heats up it expands a bit, which makes everything larger and good
contact is made until it cools off again. This is just one scenario.
I've had umpteen problems just like this over the years. Whenever I see
a system with a problem like this, I take it all apart and reseat
everything. That usually cures it. Good luck.
NRJ
>I have a PII 300 running Win98 on an AT system and am experiencing a
>puzzling fault.
>I get intermittant freezes during and post booting. If it does boot
>then a freeze could still happen for a danger period of about an hour
>but beyond this 60 minutes the system is as stable as Win98 can be.
>This is strange to me as I know that freezes normally occur due to
>overheating or dodgy connections(both cable and components) but in
>this case it seems to be the opposite because the longer you go the
>less chance of a freeze and it never happens after an hour.
>So anyone got an idea what is going on?
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| I was thinking the same thing as Navin was thinking. I would try to
make sure that everything was getting good contact and make sure there
are no loose connections.
Kathy
A+
"Navin R. Johnson" <TheJerk@optigrab.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:39:08 GMT, rob@/remove/ghosh.co.uk (Rob
Beattie)
> wrote:
>
> This is simply the old reverse heat problem. And it is logical. Let
me
> explain.... You have a system that is cold. The video card isn't
quite
> seated properly. You power it on and get a blank screen. You try
again
> and again then after five minutes or so it finally boots up and
works
> fine.... until the next time you try it from a cold start. What's
> happening is the video card isn't making good contact when it's
cold.
> As it heats up it expands a bit, which makes everything larger and
good
> contact is made until it cools off again. This is just one scenario.
> I've had umpteen problems just like this over the years. Whenever I
see
> a system with a problem like this, I take it all apart and reseat
> everything. That usually cures it. Good luck.
>
> NRJ
>
>
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| natural_4u 2003-11-17, 5:25 pm |
| AG & Navin's solution sounds standard for older systems. Like they said it
could be anything from bad power supply to faulty video connection.
Maybe the RAM has gone bad. Something that old has to give sooner or
later... right? Be patient and check out all the parts carefully.
Maybe you just added to many parts... I had this PIII 500MHz - 384 MB RAM +
Abit BH6 MB with DVD-ROM, CD Burner, 2 HDD, 4 PCI slot used, and 1 ISA slot
being used running on a 250Watt Power supply. The 250 Watt Power supply
couldn't handle the extra hardware. Replaced it with a 350Watt power supply
now works fine. The old 250watts power supply is still running strong on a
machine that has only 1 HDD , 1 CD-ROM, 1 floppy, 1 NIC, 1 video card...
very basic...
"Rob Beattie" <rob@/remove/ghosh.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fb76e51.217500@text.news.ntlworld.com...
> I have a PII 300 running Win98 on an AT system and am experiencing a
> puzzling fault.
> I get intermittant freezes during and post booting. If it does boot
> then a freeze could still happen for a danger period of about an hour
> but beyond this 60 minutes the system is as stable as Win98 can be.
> This is strange to me as I know that freezes normally occur due to
> overheating or dodgy connections(both cable and components) but in
> this case it seems to be the opposite because the longer you go the
> less chance of a freeze and it never happens after an hour.
> So anyone got an idea what is going on?
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| Rob Beattie 2003-11-23, 2:24 pm |
| On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:20:51 -0500, "Kathy"
<computermonkeyNOSPAM@inbox.net> wrote:
>I was thinking the same thing as Navin was thinking. I would try to
>make sure that everything was getting good contact and make sure there
>are no loose connections.
>
>Kathy
>A+
>
>"Navin R. Johnson" <TheJerk@optigrab.net> wrote in message
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>Beattie)
>me
>quite
>again
>works
>cold.
>good
>see
>a
>hour
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I decided to take the whole system apart and put it back together
again about a week ago. Since then there has been a dramatic
improvement with only 1 freeze in 6 days compared with several daily
previously.
I have a few cables resting on internal cards and the processor and it
could be that these are causing components to be dislodged slightly so
I may have to tidy them up a bit if I get any more freezes in the
future.
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