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| PSumerlin 2003-10-18, 7:24 pm |
| A friend is wanting a new computer and trying to sell me their old one. It is a
Compaq w/ AMD processor- don't know speed, 60 M Ram , and 4GB HD and 14"
monitor. They say it is 4yrs old , but it sounds more like 5 judging from
original equipment. Anyhow my question is what is this thing worth. I have
heard Compaq is proprietary equipment and upgrading RAM and boards requires
more specific parts than regular clones. I don't have a clue...can anyone tell
me?
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| Hill Street Blues 2003-10-18, 9:23 pm |
| In article <20031018191744.08032.00000930@mb-m11.aol.com>,
psumerlin@aol.com says...
> A friend is wanting a new computer and trying to sell me their old one. It is a
> Compaq w/ AMD processor- don't know speed, 60 M Ram , and 4GB HD and 14"
> monitor. They say it is 4yrs old , but it sounds more like 5 judging from
> original equipment. Anyhow my question is what is this thing worth. I have
> heard Compaq is proprietary equipment and upgrading RAM and boards requires
> more specific parts than regular clones. I don't have a clue...can anyone tell
> me?
>
$489 will buy you a brand new COMPAQ WITH a 40 gig hard drive at
WALMART anywhere in the country. A 1998 edition of COMPUTER SHOPPER that
I have sitting in front of me shows me that 4GB hard drives were standard
in most COMPAQ Computers by the middle and end of 1998. So, you are right
about it being 5 years old. If the computer is in reasonably good
condition with all software, manuals etc, it's probably worth $50.00.
Don't pay anymore than that, because it's not WORTH anymore than that.
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| PSumerlin 2003-10-18, 11:23 pm |
| ok....thanks for the info.That is half the equation, do you know anything about
upgrading a Compaq. Can I use any third party RAM, CD, Hard drive ,modem..etc?
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| Adam Leinss 2003-10-19, 12:23 am |
| Hill Street Blues <blues@home.net> wrote in
news:MPG.19fba35a597f18b1989683@news.chartermi.net:
> $489 will buy you a brand new COMPAQ WITH a 40 gig hard drive at
> WALMART anywhere in the country. A 1998 edition of COMPUTER
> SHOPPER that I have sitting in front of me shows me that 4GB hard
> drives were standard in most COMPAQ Computers by the middle and
> end of 1998. So, you are right about it being 5 years old. If
> the computer is in reasonably good condition with all software,
> manuals etc, it's probably worth $50.00. Don't pay anymore than
> that, because it's not WORTH anymore than that.
With that much wear, I would say more like $10.
Adam
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| Hill Street Blues 2003-10-19, 12:23 am |
| In article <20031018230314.08885.00000497@mb-m11.aol.com>,
psumerlin@aol.com says...
> ok....thanks for the info.That is half the equation, do you know anything about
> upgrading a Compaq. Can I use any third party RAM, CD, Hard drive ,modem..etc?
>
third party ram--yes CD-YES Hard drive--yes modem--go with external
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| Hill Street Blues 2003-10-19, 12:23 am |
| In article < Xns9418E3C91F131aleinsstoughgu
ynet@toughguy.net>,
aleinss@toughguy.net says...
> Hill Street Blues <blues@home.net> wrote in
> news:MPG.19fba35a597f18b1989683@news.chartermi.net:
>
> > $489 will buy you a brand new COMPAQ WITH a 40 gig hard drive at
> > WALMART anywhere in the country. A 1998 edition of COMPUTER
> > SHOPPER that I have sitting in front of me shows me that 4GB hard
> > drives were standard in most COMPAQ Computers by the middle and
> > end of 1998. So, you are right about it being 5 years old. If
> > the computer is in reasonably good condition with all software,
> > manuals etc, it's probably worth $50.00. Don't pay anymore than
> > that, because it's not WORTH anymore than that.
>
> With that much wear, I would say more like $10.
>
> Adam
>
Actually, after I posted my response I had the same thought,
That $50.00 was really high-balling it. The interesting thing
about that $498 PC from Walmart, is that it includes a MONITOR!
As a friend once told me, a $300 car can quickly turn into a
$1000 car after repairs, and a $50 computer can quickly turn into a
$350 computer after upgrades. And is it really worth it?
We all have to answer that question in our own way.
My customers pay me a good wage to upgrade thier computers
I love cashing thier checks!
And lets not forget...
"Whoever does the Payin, Does the Sayin......."
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| Navin R. Johnson 2003-10-19, 2:24 am |
| On 18 Oct 2003 23:17:44 GMT, psumerlin@aol.com (PSumerlin) wrote:
>A friend is wanting a new computer and trying to sell me their old one. It is a
>Compaq w/ AMD processor- don't know speed, 60 M Ram , and 4GB HD and 14"
>monitor. They say it is 4yrs old , but it sounds more like 5 judging from
>original equipment. Anyhow my question is what is this thing worth. I have
>heard Compaq is proprietary equipment and upgrading RAM and boards requires
>more specific parts than regular clones. I don't have a clue...can anyone tell
>me?
4 Gig HDs haven't been around for at least 5 years - more like 6 or 7.
Old 14" monitors don't even make good boat anchors. You need to get the
processor speed but I'm guessing it's a K6-2/something. I throw those
things in the trash, especially being that it's a Compaq. You could
install a freakin' Terabyte of RAM and it would still be garbage. Don't
throw away good money after bad. If you just want to buy it so you can
play around with it don't give any more than $15 or $20. Or, you could
always come by my house any Monday, which is garbage day, and pick one
up for free. :-)
NRJ
PS Compaq is synonymous with proprietary.
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| Hill Street Blues 2003-10-19, 1:24 pm |
| In article < 5ba4pv0nom6go5fdl6kfutk7sebqs7
p05u@4ax.com>,
TheJerk@optigrab.net says...
> nstall a freakin' Terabyte of RAM and it would still be garbage. Don't
> throw away good money after bad. If you just want to buy it so you can
> play around with it don't give any more than $15 or $20. Or, you could
> always come by my house any Monday, which is garbage day, and pick one
> up for free. :-)
>
Good Advice!
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| Tom MacIntyre 2003-10-20, 8:24 pm |
| On 19 Oct 2003 03:03:14 GMT, psumerlin@aol.com (PSumerlin) wrote:
>ok....thanks for the info.That is half the equation, do you know anything about
>upgrading a Compaq. Can I use any third party RAM, CD, Hard drive ,modem..etc?
It depended on the model at one time. My sister's old Presario 433
(486sx-33) could handle off the shelf RAM, but a friend's slightly
newer one a few years ago (P75) had to have Compaq RAM. I don't know
the situation today.
Tom
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| Tom MacIntyre 2003-10-20, 8:24 pm |
| On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:15:14 -0400, Navin R. Johnson
<TheJerk@optigrab.net> wrote:
>On 18 Oct 2003 23:17:44 GMT, psumerlin@aol.com (PSumerlin) wrote:
>
>>A friend is wanting a new computer and trying to sell me their old one. It is a
>>Compaq w/ AMD processor- don't know speed, 60 M Ram , and 4GB HD and 14"
>>monitor. They say it is 4yrs old , but it sounds more like 5 judging from
>>original equipment. Anyhow my question is what is this thing worth. I have
>>heard Compaq is proprietary equipment and upgrading RAM and boards requires
>>more specific parts than regular clones. I don't have a clue...can anyone tell
>>me?
>
>4 Gig HDs haven't been around for at least 5 years - more like 6 or 7.
I bought my first 4.3 in January 1998, and it was still high-priced at
$360 CDN, and I think it was about the biggest size the vendor had at
that time; possibly they had 6G as well. About a year and a half later
a 2.7 that I had failed under warranty, and I got a refurbed 4.3 to
replace it.
Tom
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| Barry Watzman 2003-10-20, 11:24 pm |
| That computer is almost worthless, as are any computers of that age.
It's worth perhaps $100. It would help if you knew the CPU speed and type.
PSumerlin wrote:
> A friend is wanting a new computer and trying to sell me their old one. It is a
> Compaq w/ AMD processor- don't know speed, 60 M Ram , and 4GB HD and 14"
> monitor. They say it is 4yrs old , but it sounds more like 5 judging from
> original equipment. Anyhow my question is what is this thing worth. I have
> heard Compaq is proprietary equipment and upgrading RAM and boards requires
> more specific parts than regular clones. I don't have a clue...can anyone tell
> me?
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| Barry Watzman 2003-10-20, 11:24 pm |
| The Ram, hard drive, modem are probably standard. The case, motherboard
and power supply are probably proprietary. Video may be either (it may
well be on the motherboard).
PSumerlin wrote:
> ok....thanks for the info.That is half the equation, do you know anything about
> upgrading a Compaq. Can I use any third party RAM, CD, Hard drive ,modem..etc?
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| Navin R. Johnson 2003-10-21, 3:24 am |
| On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:08:37 GMT, Tom MacIntyre
<tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:15:14 -0400, Navin R. Johnson
Paid $225 U.S. for a 20MB Seagate 5.25" drive (ST225) in 1990. It was a
boat anchor by '93 and was replaced with a Quantum 120MB for around
$425. I love this business. LOL
>I bought my first 4.3 in January 1998, and it was still high-priced at
>$360 CDN, and I think it was about the biggest size the vendor had at
>that time; possibly they had 6G as well. About a year and a half later
>a 2.7 that I had failed under warranty, and I got a refurbed 4.3 to
>replace it.
>
>Tom
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| Tom MacIntyre 2003-10-22, 5:25 pm |
| On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:33:21 GMT, Barry Watzman
<WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>That computer is almost worthless, as are any computers of that age.
>It's worth perhaps $100. It would help if you knew the CPU speed and type.
>
I recall a friend once saying that, while something may be
technologically obsolete, they are not necessarily functionally
obsolete. Didn't I read somewhere awhile back about US space items
(shuttle? satellites?) using 80486 CPU's?
Tom
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>PSumerlin wrote:
>
>> A friend is wanting a new computer and trying to sell me their old one. It is a
>> Compaq w/ AMD processor- don't know speed, 60 M Ram , and 4GB HD and 14"
>> monitor. They say it is 4yrs old , but it sounds more like 5 judging from
>> original equipment. Anyhow my question is what is this thing worth. I have
>> heard Compaq is proprietary equipment and upgrading RAM and boards requires
>> more specific parts than regular clones. I don't have a clue...can anyone tell
>> me?
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| C. Philip Cutler II 2003-10-22, 6:25 pm |
| I don't think the Space shuttle has 486's as it's processor since the last
shuttle built. Endeavour (Delivered May 1991) and the first one,
Enterpriseand (Delivered Jan 1977) and with the 486 not invented/released
till 1989.
In my opinion, the build time and development for a system as tightly
coupled/complex as the shuttle wouldn't have technology so new in it I would
imagine.
But yes the computers even on the newest one are probably antiques when they
were built. Even though the astronauts do use palm tops and small notebooks
for things, the onboard systems are fairly primitive. I can't find
references to the onboard systems on the NASA website though.
"Tom MacIntyre" <tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h3tdpvgv3f1j6aegnrv9b3lg3
paeimi8dr@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:33:21 GMT, Barry Watzman
> <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >That computer is almost worthless, as are any computers of that age.
> >It's worth perhaps $100. It would help if you knew the CPU speed and
type.
> >
>
> I recall a friend once saying that, while something may be
> technologically obsolete, they are not necessarily functionally
> obsolete. Didn't I read somewhere awhile back about US space items
> (shuttle? satellites?) using 80486 CPU's?
>
> Tom
>
> >
> >PSumerlin wrote:
> >
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