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| In article <3e2e7771$0$16213@echo-01.iinet.net.au>, "Julian"
<talywine@wantree.com.au> wrote:
> how much, exactly, do you pay?
>
>
> "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> news:user-2001032115440001@1.0.0.3...
> > Anyone in the West Pasco area???
> >
> > I am hiring another tech.
> >
> > Pay sux, but working conditions are great.
> >
> > apluscomputer.biz
How good, exactly, are you? lol
I see you are in Australia, so I know you are just asking out of
curiousity- but let me tell you how many idiots I get in here looking for
jobs.
I give each and every applicant an informal test. I got tired of ppl
claiming to be this and that and not being able to back it up.
So, now before we go too much into the interveiw process, I hand the
applicant a very simple thing, and ask him/her to tell me about it.
I hand them an 80 conductor ribbon cable. I expect them to be able to
tell me what it is, and how is it used. I expect them to be able to tell
me what connector goes where, and what the jumper settings need to be. I
know, I expect a lot, but this helps me decide how much of my time I am
going to waste on this interview. So far, nobody- AND I DO MEAN NOBODY-
has been able to tell me those things accurately. That includes CompTIA
certified A+ Technicians claiming experience.
Oh, and by the way- while I am on the subject of idiot applicants- here
are a few hints.
#1 Dress like you want the job. No, I do not mean you have to wear a $500
suit. But do not show up in a wrinkled t-shirt and needing a bath
(badly). Yes, I have had this applicant.
#2 Be prepared. You call on the phone and ask if I am hiring. I ask if
you have a resume. You say no. I say get a resume prepared and bring it
in. You show up without a resume and tell me you do not have one. Do ya
want the job or not? If you cannot follow the simple instructions now,
how well will you follow instructions later. There are a lot of these
guys and girls out there.
#3 Be honest. Do not tell me of your years of experience- when they are
figments of your imagination. First, I will check your references- if it
gets that far. But mostly, I will be able to tell how much bullshit your
are made of by talking to you. When you tell me you have been working in
the field for years and have built a few hundred systems, but cannot tell
me about that 80 conductor cable, you are full of the bullshit. btw- I am
a skilled interveiwer (retired police sergeant investigator). During the
interview, I will ask you questions and reword them and ask them again
later. Will your answers be the same? If you are lying, they will not.
I will know this.
#3 Do not argue with me. I am potentially going to be your boss. You
will potentially depend on me for your family's livlihood, and I will
potentially depend on you for quality work. Do not sit in the interview
with me and argue that you do not have to restart the machine after
FDISKing and before formatting- I do not care how many times you say you
do it. At this point in your career (the interveiw), you never argue
about anything- unless it is blatently obvious. Some interviewers will
deliberately say something wrong just to see if you argue. I do not think
this is a good idea, but others do. But the point is, NEVER argue about
something you are not 110% sure of. I know you cannot be 110% sure of
formatting a HDD without restarting after FDISKing.
#4 Do not attempt to hide a criminal record. I will do a criminal
records check. Be forthright about it. If you made a mistake, and you
are living up to it, I can deal with that. Lie to me, and you are gone.
Lie to me now, you will lie to me later.
#5 Do not brag to me how much stuff you got away with at your last job.
Do not brag to me how much PRODUCT you got away with in your last job. If
you stole from them, you will steal from me.
#6 Be realistic about pay. If you are uncertified and unskilled, you
should not expect (demand) $10 per hour. If you cannot pass my oral exam,
then you do no thave experience- plain and simple. I do not mind training
you (I am a state certified instructor), but I will not pay for your
training too. If you need training, you should not expect a tremendous
salary.
Believe it or not, these are all VERY real issues that come up during
interviews at my company!
Now, here in my area of Florida, pay is low to start with. This area just
not support high salaries. I am *literally* the only tech shop in the
county hiring right now. None of the shops pay much, and the techs
working there know this. They are not looking for jobs, because there are
none- and they are happy to have the job they have- with as low as the pay
is.
If you have no experience, do not expect more than minimum wage. You are
a cost center to me until you can produce for me, then you become an
asset. These are the realities of business. When you become an asset
(valuable), you will be paid accordingly. If you cannot even understand
this simple concept, then you are not yet suited for employment- anywhere.
You need to understand at least the very basics of business- or you will
fail. Too many employees today *EXPECT* from their boss, while at the
same time do not feel the should *GIVE*.
So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
on. You are still getting paid for the day.
There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day out
of the snacks and drinks.
I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need help,
I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least in
my shop.
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| Jpsems418 2003-01-22, 12:23 pm |
| >So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
>
>If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
>
>I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
>woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
>on. You are still getting paid for the day.
>
>There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
>yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day out
>of the snacks and drinks.
>
>I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need help,
>I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
>have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
>to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
>
>Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least in
>my shop.
>
>
Wow...Where did you say you were? Florida? I am just across the state line in
GA. To far to drive?
I have very good bathing habits.
I normally dress nice.
I have little professional experience in this field, but I am a hard worker and
willing to learn.
Ihave no criminal record(speeding ticket count?)
I have started at the bottom and moved up in my last two fields, so I don'y
mind doing it again.
JoeyP
KICK THE DEMON'S XXX!!!
| |
| Michael E 2003-01-22, 4:23 pm |
| 80pin ribbon conductor is used for an ATA Drive. It plugs from a hard drive
to the mobo... and its 80wires its what makes it different from the 40wire
EIDE ribbon cable.. Did you want more depth to how the ribbon it self
works? the reason is is 80 is cause they added 40 ground wires to it.. and
it tranfers data.. Its that what you wanted to hear?
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2201030855480001@1.0.0.2...
> In article <3e2e7771$0$16213@echo-01.iinet.net.au>, "Julian"
> <talywine@wantree.com.au> wrote:
>
> > how much, exactly, do you pay?
> >
> >
> > "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> > news:user-2001032115440001@1.0.0.3...
> > > Anyone in the West Pasco area???
> > >
> > > I am hiring another tech.
> > >
> > > Pay sux, but working conditions are great.
> > >
> > > apluscomputer.biz
>
>
>
> How good, exactly, are you? lol
>
>
>
> I see you are in Australia, so I know you are just asking out of
> curiousity- but let me tell you how many idiots I get in here looking for
> jobs.
>
> I give each and every applicant an informal test. I got tired of ppl
> claiming to be this and that and not being able to back it up.
>
> So, now before we go too much into the interveiw process, I hand the
> applicant a very simple thing, and ask him/her to tell me about it.
>
> I hand them an 80 conductor ribbon cable. I expect them to be able to
> tell me what it is, and how is it used. I expect them to be able to tell
> me what connector goes where, and what the jumper settings need to be. I
> know, I expect a lot, but this helps me decide how much of my time I am
> going to waste on this interview. So far, nobody- AND I DO MEAN NOBODY-
> has been able to tell me those things accurately. That includes CompTIA
> certified A+ Technicians claiming experience.
>
>
>
> Oh, and by the way- while I am on the subject of idiot applicants- here
> are a few hints.
>
> #1 Dress like you want the job. No, I do not mean you have to wear a $500
> suit. But do not show up in a wrinkled t-shirt and needing a bath
> (badly). Yes, I have had this applicant.
>
> #2 Be prepared. You call on the phone and ask if I am hiring. I ask if
> you have a resume. You say no. I say get a resume prepared and bring it
> in. You show up without a resume and tell me you do not have one. Do ya
> want the job or not? If you cannot follow the simple instructions now,
> how well will you follow instructions later. There are a lot of these
> guys and girls out there.
>
> #3 Be honest. Do not tell me of your years of experience- when they are
> figments of your imagination. First, I will check your references- if it
> gets that far. But mostly, I will be able to tell how much bullshit your
> are made of by talking to you. When you tell me you have been working in
> the field for years and have built a few hundred systems, but cannot tell
> me about that 80 conductor cable, you are full of the bullshit. btw- I am
> a skilled interveiwer (retired police sergeant investigator). During the
> interview, I will ask you questions and reword them and ask them again
> later. Will your answers be the same? If you are lying, they will not.
> I will know this.
>
> #3 Do not argue with me. I am potentially going to be your boss. You
> will potentially depend on me for your family's livlihood, and I will
> potentially depend on you for quality work. Do not sit in the interview
> with me and argue that you do not have to restart the machine after
> FDISKing and before formatting- I do not care how many times you say you
> do it. At this point in your career (the interveiw), you never argue
> about anything- unless it is blatently obvious. Some interviewers will
> deliberately say something wrong just to see if you argue. I do not think
> this is a good idea, but others do. But the point is, NEVER argue about
> something you are not 110% sure of. I know you cannot be 110% sure of
> formatting a HDD without restarting after FDISKing.
>
> #4 Do not attempt to hide a criminal record. I will do a criminal
> records check. Be forthright about it. If you made a mistake, and you
> are living up to it, I can deal with that. Lie to me, and you are gone.
> Lie to me now, you will lie to me later.
>
> #5 Do not brag to me how much stuff you got away with at your last job.
> Do not brag to me how much PRODUCT you got away with in your last job. If
> you stole from them, you will steal from me.
>
> #6 Be realistic about pay. If you are uncertified and unskilled, you
> should not expect (demand) $10 per hour. If you cannot pass my oral exam,
> then you do no thave experience- plain and simple. I do not mind training
> you (I am a state certified instructor), but I will not pay for your
> training too. If you need training, you should not expect a tremendous
> salary.
>
> Believe it or not, these are all VERY real issues that come up during
> interviews at my company!
>
>
>
> Now, here in my area of Florida, pay is low to start with. This area just
> not support high salaries. I am *literally* the only tech shop in the
> county hiring right now. None of the shops pay much, and the techs
> working there know this. They are not looking for jobs, because there are
> none- and they are happy to have the job they have- with as low as the pay
> is.
>
> If you have no experience, do not expect more than minimum wage. You are
> a cost center to me until you can produce for me, then you become an
> asset. These are the realities of business. When you become an asset
> (valuable), you will be paid accordingly. If you cannot even understand
> this simple concept, then you are not yet suited for employment- anywhere.
> You need to understand at least the very basics of business- or you will
> fail. Too many employees today *EXPECT* from their boss, while at the
> same time do not feel the should *GIVE*.
>
>
>
> So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
>
> If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
>
> I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
> woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
> on. You are still getting paid for the day.
>
> There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
> yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day out
> of the snacks and drinks.
>
> I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need help,
> I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
> have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
> to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
>
> Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least in
> my shop.
| |
| AzpiRin 2003-01-22, 5:23 pm |
| well for not paying much, boy, you expect so much. main thing is for a such
under pay, you should really consider finding a reliable person. Quick
minded person who requires a little guide to accomplish bigger thing.
person you wanted as listed requirement in previous post, may most likely
try not to be stuck with company like yours. they will try to advance their
skill to higher certification in order to look for better paying job.
so consider that.
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2201030855480001@1.0.0.2...
> In article <3e2e7771$0$16213@echo-01.iinet.net.au>, "Julian"
> <talywine@wantree.com.au> wrote:
>
> > how much, exactly, do you pay?
> >
> >
> > "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> > news:user-2001032115440001@1.0.0.3...
> > > Anyone in the West Pasco area???
> > >
> > > I am hiring another tech.
> > >
> > > Pay sux, but working conditions are great.
> > >
> > > apluscomputer.biz
>
>
>
> How good, exactly, are you? lol
>
>
>
> I see you are in Australia, so I know you are just asking out of
> curiousity- but let me tell you how many idiots I get in here looking for
> jobs.
>
> I give each and every applicant an informal test. I got tired of ppl
> claiming to be this and that and not being able to back it up.
>
> So, now before we go too much into the interveiw process, I hand the
> applicant a very simple thing, and ask him/her to tell me about it.
>
> I hand them an 80 conductor ribbon cable. I expect them to be able to
> tell me what it is, and how is it used. I expect them to be able to tell
> me what connector goes where, and what the jumper settings need to be. I
> know, I expect a lot, but this helps me decide how much of my time I am
> going to waste on this interview. So far, nobody- AND I DO MEAN NOBODY-
> has been able to tell me those things accurately. That includes CompTIA
> certified A+ Technicians claiming experience.
>
>
>
> Oh, and by the way- while I am on the subject of idiot applicants- here
> are a few hints.
>
> #1 Dress like you want the job. No, I do not mean you have to wear a $500
> suit. But do not show up in a wrinkled t-shirt and needing a bath
> (badly). Yes, I have had this applicant.
>
> #2 Be prepared. You call on the phone and ask if I am hiring. I ask if
> you have a resume. You say no. I say get a resume prepared and bring it
> in. You show up without a resume and tell me you do not have one. Do ya
> want the job or not? If you cannot follow the simple instructions now,
> how well will you follow instructions later. There are a lot of these
> guys and girls out there.
>
> #3 Be honest. Do not tell me of your years of experience- when they are
> figments of your imagination. First, I will check your references- if it
> gets that far. But mostly, I will be able to tell how much bullshit your
> are made of by talking to you. When you tell me you have been working in
> the field for years and have built a few hundred systems, but cannot tell
> me about that 80 conductor cable, you are full of the bullshit. btw- I am
> a skilled interveiwer (retired police sergeant investigator). During the
> interview, I will ask you questions and reword them and ask them again
> later. Will your answers be the same? If you are lying, they will not.
> I will know this.
>
> #3 Do not argue with me. I am potentially going to be your boss. You
> will potentially depend on me for your family's livlihood, and I will
> potentially depend on you for quality work. Do not sit in the interview
> with me and argue that you do not have to restart the machine after
> FDISKing and before formatting- I do not care how many times you say you
> do it. At this point in your career (the interveiw), you never argue
> about anything- unless it is blatently obvious. Some interviewers will
> deliberately say something wrong just to see if you argue. I do not think
> this is a good idea, but others do. But the point is, NEVER argue about
> something you are not 110% sure of. I know you cannot be 110% sure of
> formatting a HDD without restarting after FDISKing.
>
> #4 Do not attempt to hide a criminal record. I will do a criminal
> records check. Be forthright about it. If you made a mistake, and you
> are living up to it, I can deal with that. Lie to me, and you are gone.
> Lie to me now, you will lie to me later.
>
> #5 Do not brag to me how much stuff you got away with at your last job.
> Do not brag to me how much PRODUCT you got away with in your last job. If
> you stole from them, you will steal from me.
>
> #6 Be realistic about pay. If you are uncertified and unskilled, you
> should not expect (demand) $10 per hour. If you cannot pass my oral exam,
> then you do no thave experience- plain and simple. I do not mind training
> you (I am a state certified instructor), but I will not pay for your
> training too. If you need training, you should not expect a tremendous
> salary.
>
> Believe it or not, these are all VERY real issues that come up during
> interviews at my company!
>
>
>
> Now, here in my area of Florida, pay is low to start with. This area just
> not support high salaries. I am *literally* the only tech shop in the
> county hiring right now. None of the shops pay much, and the techs
> working there know this. They are not looking for jobs, because there are
> none- and they are happy to have the job they have- with as low as the pay
> is.
>
> If you have no experience, do not expect more than minimum wage. You are
> a cost center to me until you can produce for me, then you become an
> asset. These are the realities of business. When you become an asset
> (valuable), you will be paid accordingly. If you cannot even understand
> this simple concept, then you are not yet suited for employment- anywhere.
> You need to understand at least the very basics of business- or you will
> fail. Too many employees today *EXPECT* from their boss, while at the
> same time do not feel the should *GIVE*.
>
>
>
> So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
>
> If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
>
> I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
> woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
> on. You are still getting paid for the day.
>
> There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
> yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day out
> of the snacks and drinks.
>
> I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need help,
> I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
> have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
> to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
>
> Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least in
> my shop.
| |
|
| In article <UjEX9.771$6G4.55@sccrnsc02>, "Michael E" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote:
> 80pin ribbon conductor is used for an ATA Drive. It plugs from a hard drive
> to the mobo... and its 80wires its what makes it different from the 40wire
> EIDE ribbon cable.. Did you want more depth to how the ribbon it self
> works? the reason is is 80 is cause they added 40 ground wires to it.. and
> it tranfers data.. Its that what you wanted to hear?
>
No, actually, all I want to hear is the following-
it is an 80 conductor cable
the blue end goe to the mobo
The other end is the master
the middle in the slave
set the jumpers on the HDD to CS (Cable Select)
If you can tell me that much, you are telling me you have built at least a
few computers.
The applicants I get, cannot tell me this much!!!
| |
|
| In article <wtFX9.7155$h9.1580500@twister.socal.rr.com>, "AzpiRin"
<azpirin@hanmail.net> wrote:
> well for not paying much, boy, you expect so much. main thing is for a such
> under pay, you should really consider finding a reliable person. Quick
> minded person who requires a little guide to accomplish bigger thing.
>
> person you wanted as listed requirement in previous post, may most likely
> try not to be stuck with company like yours. they will try to advance their
> skill to higher certification in order to look for better paying job.
>
> so consider that.
>
>
You might consider a few things yourself... First off, know of what you speak!
I do not ask that applicants have 10 years of experience. I ask they have
some sence of responsibility. I ask they have some idea of what a PC is
inside. I ask they are trainable. That is all.
If you feel that is too much to ask for- regardless of any experience
(none or 10 years worth), then I am glad you are not working for me. You
would be untrustworthy for any responsibility- or for that matter not able
to be left alone. Either you would steal from me or screw up the customer
PCs.
That is a major problem with the workforce today- especially the younger
workforce. There is simply *NO* work ethic. In fact, there are few who
have ethics at all! You all want to be a millionaire within the first
year employed, and you are not willing to put out for your employer at
all. Take take take.
I only ask they have a basic understanding of PCs- in some way, shape, or form.
If you cannot tell me about the ribbon cable I hand to you, then you do
not have enough experience to open a box, let alone work on one for a
customer.
As far as pay, again, know of what you speak. This is Florida, not NY,
CA, TX or anywhere else. This marker I am in, unfortunately, just does
not support large salaries. Nobody around here makes large sums of money-
including me!
In fact, I have very little turn over. I treat my employees very well. I
often take them to lunch, they get time off with pay as they need it, the
atmosphere is quite relaxed most of the time, there are always snacks and
drinks (free), and I do not micro-manage. In short- they enjoy the job.
But, they live in this area, and they know the pay sux no matter where you
go. So, since I cannot pay them like I would like to, I take care of them
in other ways.
How is it where you work?
| |
|
| In article <20030122122300.12285.00000116@mb-da.aol.com>,
jpsems418@aol.com (Jpsems418) wrote:
> >So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
> >
> >If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
> >
> >I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
> >woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
> >on. You are still getting paid for the day.
> >
> >There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
> >yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day out
> >of the snacks and drinks.
> >
> >I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need help,
> >I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
> >have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
> >to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
> >
> >Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least in
> >my shop.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Wow...Where did you say you were? Florida? I am just across the state
line in
> GA. To far to drive?
a helluva commute!!! lol
>
> I have very good bathing habits.
Point
>
> I normally dress nice.
Two points
>
> I have little professional experience in this field, but I am a hard
worker and
> willing to learn.
10 points!
>
> Ihave no criminal record(speeding ticket count?)
I doesnt matter if you made a mistake a long time ago- can you own up to it?
>
> I have started at the bottom and moved up in my last two fields, so I don'y
> mind doing it again.
We all do!!!
>
> JoeyP
> KICK THE DEMON'S XXX!!!
| |
| JohnnyVee 2003-01-22, 8:23 pm |
| Ghost.. I teach A+ certification at a vocational center. Mostly to
non-college types if you know what I mean. These are young men (mostly)
that would very much like to get into the computer field when they graduate
high school. Some of them obtain their certification during the year they
are with me. ALL of them want to make big $$$ and MOST of them think they
know everything. Mind if I pass your post around to them and show them what
some employers are looking for? I will take that as a
yes...thanks......... They hear me say that stuff all the time, maybe from a
business owner it will carry more weight....johnny vee
"AzpiRin" <azpirin@hanmail.net> wrote in message
news:wtFX9.7155$h9.1580500@twister.socal.rr.com...
> well for not paying much, boy, you expect so much. main thing is for a
such
> under pay, you should really consider finding a reliable person. Quick
> minded person who requires a little guide to accomplish bigger thing.
>
> person you wanted as listed requirement in previous post, may most likely
> try not to be stuck with company like yours. they will try to advance
their
> skill to higher certification in order to look for better paying job.
>
> so consider that.
>
>
> "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> news:user-2201030855480001@1.0.0.2...
> > In article <3e2e7771$0$16213@echo-01.iinet.net.au>, "Julian"
> > <talywine@wantree.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > how much, exactly, do you pay?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> > > news:user-2001032115440001@1.0.0.3...
> > > > Anyone in the West Pasco area???
> > > >
> > > > I am hiring another tech.
> > > >
> > > > Pay sux, but working conditions are great.
> > > >
> > > > apluscomputer.biz
> >
> >
> >
> > How good, exactly, are you? lol
> >
> >
> >
> > I see you are in Australia, so I know you are just asking out of
> > curiousity- but let me tell you how many idiots I get in here looking
for
> > jobs.
> >
> > I give each and every applicant an informal test. I got tired of ppl
> > claiming to be this and that and not being able to back it up.
> >
> > So, now before we go too much into the interveiw process, I hand the
> > applicant a very simple thing, and ask him/her to tell me about it.
> >
> > I hand them an 80 conductor ribbon cable. I expect them to be able to
> > tell me what it is, and how is it used. I expect them to be able to
tell
> > me what connector goes where, and what the jumper settings need to be.
I
> > know, I expect a lot, but this helps me decide how much of my time I am
> > going to waste on this interview. So far, nobody- AND I DO MEAN NOBODY-
> > has been able to tell me those things accurately. That includes CompTIA
> > certified A+ Technicians claiming experience.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, and by the way- while I am on the subject of idiot applicants- here
> > are a few hints.
> >
> > #1 Dress like you want the job. No, I do not mean you have to wear a
$500
> > suit. But do not show up in a wrinkled t-shirt and needing a bath
> > (badly). Yes, I have had this applicant.
> >
> > #2 Be prepared. You call on the phone and ask if I am hiring. I ask if
> > you have a resume. You say no. I say get a resume prepared and bring
it
> > in. You show up without a resume and tell me you do not have one. Do
ya
> > want the job or not? If you cannot follow the simple instructions now,
> > how well will you follow instructions later. There are a lot of these
> > guys and girls out there.
> >
> > #3 Be honest. Do not tell me of your years of experience- when they
are
> > figments of your imagination. First, I will check your references- if
it
> > gets that far. But mostly, I will be able to tell how much bullshit
your
> > are made of by talking to you. When you tell me you have been working
in
> > the field for years and have built a few hundred systems, but cannot
tell
> > me about that 80 conductor cable, you are full of the bullshit. btw- I
am
> > a skilled interveiwer (retired police sergeant investigator). During
the
> > interview, I will ask you questions and reword them and ask them again
> > later. Will your answers be the same? If you are lying, they will not.
> > I will know this.
> >
> > #3 Do not argue with me. I am potentially going to be your boss. You
> > will potentially depend on me for your family's livlihood, and I will
> > potentially depend on you for quality work. Do not sit in the interview
> > with me and argue that you do not have to restart the machine after
> > FDISKing and before formatting- I do not care how many times you say you
> > do it. At this point in your career (the interveiw), you never argue
> > about anything- unless it is blatently obvious. Some interviewers will
> > deliberately say something wrong just to see if you argue. I do not
think
> > this is a good idea, but others do. But the point is, NEVER argue about
> > something you are not 110% sure of. I know you cannot be 110% sure of
> > formatting a HDD without restarting after FDISKing.
> >
> > #4 Do not attempt to hide a criminal record. I will do a criminal
> > records check. Be forthright about it. If you made a mistake, and you
> > are living up to it, I can deal with that. Lie to me, and you are gone.
> > Lie to me now, you will lie to me later.
> >
> > #5 Do not brag to me how much stuff you got away with at your last job.
> > Do not brag to me how much PRODUCT you got away with in your last job.
If
> > you stole from them, you will steal from me.
> >
> > #6 Be realistic about pay. If you are uncertified and unskilled, you
> > should not expect (demand) $10 per hour. If you cannot pass my oral
exam,
> > then you do no thave experience- plain and simple. I do not mind
training
> > you (I am a state certified instructor), but I will not pay for your
> > training too. If you need training, you should not expect a tremendous
> > salary.
> >
> > Believe it or not, these are all VERY real issues that come up during
> > interviews at my company!
> >
> >
> >
> > Now, here in my area of Florida, pay is low to start with. This area
just
> > not support high salaries. I am *literally* the only tech shop in the
> > county hiring right now. None of the shops pay much, and the techs
> > working there know this. They are not looking for jobs, because there
are
> > none- and they are happy to have the job they have- with as low as the
pay
> > is.
> >
> > If you have no experience, do not expect more than minimum wage. You
are
> > a cost center to me until you can produce for me, then you become an
> > asset. These are the realities of business. When you become an asset
> > (valuable), you will be paid accordingly. If you cannot even understand
> > this simple concept, then you are not yet suited for employment-
anywhere.
> > You need to understand at least the very basics of business- or you will
> > fail. Too many employees today *EXPECT* from their boss, while at the
> > same time do not feel the should *GIVE*.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
> >
> > If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
> >
> > I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
> > woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
> > on. You are still getting paid for the day.
> >
> > There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
> > yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day
out
> > of the snacks and drinks.
> >
> > I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need
help,
> > I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
> > have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
> > to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
> >
> > Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least
in
> > my shop.
>
>
| |
| Michael E 2003-01-22, 8:23 pm |
| What if someone says.. The 80pin ide connector is used to interface the
harddrive.. to the motherboard ide/eide interface. You set the primary ide
device to master and the secondary ide device to slave.. or cable select as
long as the Master is on the end(And the colors of mother board ata ide
interfaces vary) I've seen blue/green. Also I have never had an
80pin/wire/conductor that had a blue end. Im sure they exist tho.
Why do you prefer CS over the traditional MS/SL configuration? Probably a
little easier if you gotta go back to the customer and replace a drive.
I think they should be able to at least tell you why a 40pin wont work with
with an ATA drive correctly too.. Might wanna add that on your list
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2201032037070001@1.0.0.2...
> In article <UjEX9.771$6G4.55@sccrnsc02>, "Michael E" <nomail@nospam.com>
wrote:
>
> > 80pin ribbon conductor is used for an ATA Drive. It plugs from a hard
drive
> > to the mobo... and its 80wires its what makes it different from the
40wire
> > EIDE ribbon cable.. Did you want more depth to how the ribbon it self
> > works? the reason is is 80 is cause they added 40 ground wires to it..
and
> > it tranfers data.. Its that what you wanted to hear?
> >
>
>
> No, actually, all I want to hear is the following-
>
> it is an 80 conductor cable
>
> the blue end goe to the mobo
>
> The other end is the master
>
> the middle in the slave
>
> set the jumpers on the HDD to CS (Cable Select)
>
> If you can tell me that much, you are telling me you have built at least a
> few computers.
>
> The applicants I get, cannot tell me this much!!!
| |
| Michael E 2003-01-22, 8:23 pm |
| How bad is the pay? Just wondering.. seems like if your offering under 8bux
an hour.. no one would really want it.. Because A. they know your getting a
big deal of money from the customer, which does not benifit them. B. They
could go into business for them selfs and manage their own techs. C. Why
would any tech with or with out 10 ywars of experience work for minimum
wage.. (providing thats what your paying).
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2201032048300001@1.0.0.2...
> In article <wtFX9.7155$h9.1580500@twister.socal.rr.com>, "AzpiRin"
> <azpirin@hanmail.net> wrote:
>
> > well for not paying much, boy, you expect so much. main thing is for a
such
> > under pay, you should really consider finding a reliable person. Quick
> > minded person who requires a little guide to accomplish bigger thing.
> >
> > person you wanted as listed requirement in previous post, may most
likely
> > try not to be stuck with company like yours. they will try to advance
their
> > skill to higher certification in order to look for better paying job.
> >
> > so consider that.
> >
> >
>
>
> You might consider a few things yourself... First off, know of what you
speak!
>
> I do not ask that applicants have 10 years of experience. I ask they have
> some sence of responsibility. I ask they have some idea of what a PC is
> inside. I ask they are trainable. That is all.
>
> If you feel that is too much to ask for- regardless of any experience
> (none or 10 years worth), then I am glad you are not working for me. You
> would be untrustworthy for any responsibility- or for that matter not able
> to be left alone. Either you would steal from me or screw up the customer
> PCs.
>
> That is a major problem with the workforce today- especially the younger
> workforce. There is simply *NO* work ethic. In fact, there are few who
> have ethics at all! You all want to be a millionaire within the first
> year employed, and you are not willing to put out for your employer at
> all. Take take take.
>
> I only ask they have a basic understanding of PCs- in some way, shape, or
form.
>
> If you cannot tell me about the ribbon cable I hand to you, then you do
> not have enough experience to open a box, let alone work on one for a
> customer.
>
> As far as pay, again, know of what you speak. This is Florida, not NY,
> CA, TX or anywhere else. This marker I am in, unfortunately, just does
> not support large salaries. Nobody around here makes large sums of money-
> including me!
>
> In fact, I have very little turn over. I treat my employees very well. I
> often take them to lunch, they get time off with pay as they need it, the
> atmosphere is quite relaxed most of the time, there are always snacks and
> drinks (free), and I do not micro-manage. In short- they enjoy the job.
> But, they live in this area, and they know the pay sux no matter where you
> go. So, since I cannot pay them like I would like to, I take care of them
> in other ways.
>
> How is it where you work?
| |
|
| Go right ahead... it will not do any good... lol
They all know everything already!!! lol
Actually, I hope it does fall on some ears that listen. More than
anything else, it is nice to find someone who has responsibility for him
or herself and acts like it...
Good luck to all your students.
In article <G8IX9.254$0L3.116462@news2.news.adelphia.net>, "JohnnyVee"
<whatever123@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Ghost.. I teach A+ certification at a vocational center. Mostly to
> non-college types if you know what I mean. These are young men (mostly)
> that would very much like to get into the computer field when they graduate
> high school. Some of them obtain their certification during the year they
> are with me. ALL of them want to make big $$$ and MOST of them think they
> know everything. Mind if I pass your post around to them and show them what
> some employers are looking for? I will take that as a
> yes...thanks......... They hear me say that stuff all the time, maybe from a
> business owner it will carry more weight....johnny vee
>
>
> "AzpiRin" <azpirin@hanmail.net> wrote in message
> news:wtFX9.7155$h9.1580500@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > well for not paying much, boy, you expect so much. main thing is for a
> such
> > under pay, you should really consider finding a reliable person. Quick
> > minded person who requires a little guide to accomplish bigger thing.
> >
> > person you wanted as listed requirement in previous post, may most likely
> > try not to be stuck with company like yours. they will try to advance
> their
> > skill to higher certification in order to look for better paying job.
> >
> > so consider that.
> >
> >
> > "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> > news:user-2201030855480001@1.0.0.2...
> > > In article <3e2e7771$0$16213@echo-01.iinet.net.au>, "Julian"
> > > <talywine@wantree.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > how much, exactly, do you pay?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:user-2001032115440001@1.0.0.3...
> > > > > Anyone in the West Pasco area???
> > > > >
> > > > > I am hiring another tech.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pay sux, but working conditions are great.
> > > > >
> > > > > apluscomputer.biz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How good, exactly, are you? lol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I see you are in Australia, so I know you are just asking out of
> > > curiousity- but let me tell you how many idiots I get in here looking
> for
> > > jobs.
> > >
> > > I give each and every applicant an informal test. I got tired of ppl
> > > claiming to be this and that and not being able to back it up.
> > >
> > > So, now before we go too much into the interveiw process, I hand the
> > > applicant a very simple thing, and ask him/her to tell me about it.
> > >
> > > I hand them an 80 conductor ribbon cable. I expect them to be able to
> > > tell me what it is, and how is it used. I expect them to be able to
> tell
> > > me what connector goes where, and what the jumper settings need to be.
> I
> > > know, I expect a lot, but this helps me decide how much of my time I am
> > > going to waste on this interview. So far, nobody- AND I DO MEAN NOBODY-
> > > has been able to tell me those things accurately. That includes CompTIA
> > > certified A+ Technicians claiming experience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh, and by the way- while I am on the subject of idiot applicants- here
> > > are a few hints.
> > >
> > > #1 Dress like you want the job. No, I do not mean you have to wear a
> $500
> > > suit. But do not show up in a wrinkled t-shirt and needing a bath
> > > (badly). Yes, I have had this applicant.
> > >
> > > #2 Be prepared. You call on the phone and ask if I am hiring. I ask if
> > > you have a resume. You say no. I say get a resume prepared and bring
> it
> > > in. You show up without a resume and tell me you do not have one. Do
> ya
> > > want the job or not? If you cannot follow the simple instructions now,
> > > how well will you follow instructions later. There are a lot of these
> > > guys and girls out there.
> > >
> > > #3 Be honest. Do not tell me of your years of experience- when they
> are
> > > figments of your imagination. First, I will check your references- if
> it
> > > gets that far. But mostly, I will be able to tell how much bullshit
> your
> > > are made of by talking to you. When you tell me you have been working
> in
> > > the field for years and have built a few hundred systems, but cannot
> tell
> > > me about that 80 conductor cable, you are full of the bullshit. btw- I
> am
> > > a skilled interveiwer (retired police sergeant investigator). During
> the
> > > interview, I will ask you questions and reword them and ask them again
> > > later. Will your answers be the same? If you are lying, they will not.
> > > I will know this.
> > >
> > > #3 Do not argue with me. I am potentially going to be your boss. You
> > > will potentially depend on me for your family's livlihood, and I will
> > > potentially depend on you for quality work. Do not sit in the interview
> > > with me and argue that you do not have to restart the machine after
> > > FDISKing and before formatting- I do not care how many times you say you
> > > do it. At this point in your career (the interveiw), you never argue
> > > about anything- unless it is blatently obvious. Some interviewers will
> > > deliberately say something wrong just to see if you argue. I do not
> think
> > > this is a good idea, but others do. But the point is, NEVER argue about
> > > something you are not 110% sure of. I know you cannot be 110% sure of
> > > formatting a HDD without restarting after FDISKing.
> > >
> > > #4 Do not attempt to hide a criminal record. I will do a criminal
> > > records check. Be forthright about it. If you made a mistake, and you
> > > are living up to it, I can deal with that. Lie to me, and you are gone.
> > > Lie to me now, you will lie to me later.
> > >
> > > #5 Do not brag to me how much stuff you got away with at your last job.
> > > Do not brag to me how much PRODUCT you got away with in your last job.
> If
> > > you stole from them, you will steal from me.
> > >
> > > #6 Be realistic about pay. If you are uncertified and unskilled, you
> > > should not expect (demand) $10 per hour. If you cannot pass my oral
> exam,
> > > then you do no thave experience- plain and simple. I do not mind
> training
> > > you (I am a state certified instructor), but I will not pay for your
> > > training too. If you need training, you should not expect a tremendous
> > > salary.
> > >
> > > Believe it or not, these are all VERY real issues that come up during
> > > interviews at my company!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, here in my area of Florida, pay is low to start with. This area
> just
> > > not support high salaries. I am *literally* the only tech shop in the
> > > county hiring right now. None of the shops pay much, and the techs
> > > working there know this. They are not looking for jobs, because there
> are
> > > none- and they are happy to have the job they have- with as low as the
> pay
> > > is.
> > >
> > > If you have no experience, do not expect more than minimum wage. You
> are
> > > a cost center to me until you can produce for me, then you become an
> > > asset. These are the realities of business. When you become an asset
> > > (valuable), you will be paid accordingly. If you cannot even understand
> > > this simple concept, then you are not yet suited for employment-
> anywhere.
> > > You need to understand at least the very basics of business- or you will
> > > fail. Too many employees today *EXPECT* from their boss, while at the
> > > same time do not feel the should *GIVE*.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
> > >
> > > If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
> > >
> > > I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
> > > woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
> > > on. You are still getting paid for the day.
> > >
> > > There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
> > > yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day
> out
> > > of the snacks and drinks.
> > >
> > > I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need
> help,
> > > I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
> > > have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
> > > to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
> > >
> > > Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least
> in
> > > my shop.
> >
> >
| |
|
| In article <TiIX9.3656$6G4.2170@sccrnsc02>, "Michael E"
<nomail@nospam.com> wrote:
> How bad is the pay? Just wondering.. seems like if your offering under 8bux
> an hour.. no one would really want it.. Because
> A. they know your getting a big deal of money from the customer, which
does >not benifit them.
Typical "user" response. This is exactly what I was talking about in
another post- use use use, take take take- with nothing being given back
to your employer. ou want all for you, without any risk, and without any
sacrifice.
You have absolutely *NO* freaking idea about running a business. Sure,
there is that big hefty $50 per billable hour (notice I said billable
hour). So, lets just assume I pay you $10 per hour. Now, lets say you
work on that PC for 3 hours- but because you work slow, or because there
were unforseen circumstances, I can only bill the customer for one hour.
So, I get that huge $50, right? But wait, I have to pay you for 3 hours,
dont I?. So, you got $30, and I got $20. Seems fair to you, right?
Now, if the customer pays with a credit card, I do not see $50.00. I see
perhaps $47.00 by time you figure the discount rate, the connection fee,
the settling fee, and the monthly service charges.
But wait, I said I pay you $30 for 3 hours, right? Ahh, but I also have
to pay Uncle Sam for your payroll taxes - equal to what you pay in your
taxes. So, lets just say that is about 5 bucks. So, I just paid you
$30.00, Uncle Sam $5.00, The credit card company 3.00, and I get to keep
$12.00. btw- chances are, you get all your payroll taxes back at the end
of the year, I do not.
But wait, I still have to pay rent, phones, broadband, yellow pages
advertising, sales taxes, unemployment taxes, corporate taxes, electric,
insurance, professional services (bookkeeeper, banking fees, accountant,
credit card merchant fees), etc.
Oh, and who lays out the money for all the computer parts we use
throughout the week or month? You?
I also own the equipment and the bench you used to work on that computer.
So, I paid for that too. Chances are, you do not have all the tools you
need to work on computers- so I have to buy some of those too, right? You
expect me to do that, right?
Oh, and who pays for all the software licenses for the stuff we use? Not
you, thats for damned sure!
So, ya think I am making a killing on your back? Out of that $50.00, I
probably get a few pennies- or worse, I lose money. If I do not get
enough billable hours that week, do you still expect to get paid? You bet
your XXX you do! And, the way I run my company, if I were to ever get
that short at payroll time, my employees get paid before I do (I am an
employee too, ya know). Are you willing to make that sacrifice for your
boss? Because I am willing to make that sacrifice for my employees!
Oh, and who takes the heat when that PC comes back because the customer
might not have been happy with your quality of workmanship?
Who takes the time to ensure all our products get ordered and delivered?
Who deals with the jerk customers- you know, the ones that just become a
pain in the butt!
Oh, and who's money is it anyway that is all wrapped up in this venture to
pay you $10.00 per hour?
And, who is there on Saturday, Sunday, or at night to get caught up- you?
Hell no, you are out getting drunk or something. You are out the door at
one minute after the hour, arent you?
And who provides you with your training? Ok- I will pay you $10.. an
hour- but you have to pay me to train you- thats fair, isnt it? After
all, I am a state certified instructor- I wrote the instructor's manual
for teaching the A+ course- my time is valuable, isnt it? So, what should
I get paid as an instructor? Keep in mind, this is very close to
one-on-one instruction. That has to be worth $150-$200 an hour, right?-
for personalized one-on-one instruction??
>B. They could go into business for them selfs and manage their own techs.
Go right ahead- see above. If you succeed, I would be glad to shut down
my doors and come work for you- at a very high rate of pay, of course!
C. Why
> would any tech with or with out 10 ywars of experience work for minimum
> wage.. (providing thats what your paying).
>
If I could get a decent tech with 10 years of valuable experience, I would
hire him/her- at a competitive wage. I would like nothing better to do
less bench work, and more building the business work!
You should consider this- are you worth to your employer what you want to
get paid? If you are honest with yourself, especially with your employee
attitude you demonstrated above, probably not.
| |
|
| Well, like I said, all I want is a basic understanding.
When an applicant interviews with me and brags about how many computers he
has built, but cannot tell me about the cable, something is wrong- and
generally it means he/she is lying!
Imagine that, someone who 'embellishes' his/her experience level. That
doesnt really happen, does it? lol
And, while not every mobo colors their ATA connector blue- although most
do- I have boxes of 80 conductor cables all from different vendors, and
each and every one of them is blue at the mobo end. I would have to say
that I probably have never opened a computer with an 80 conductor cable
that did not have a blue end for the mobo. It is only *VERY* rarely I
have ever seen a 80 conductor cable that has mobo end that is not blue.
Virtually all of them are- in my considerable experience.
In article <3fIX9.5061$AV4.1473@sccrnsc01>, "Michael E"
<nomail@nospam.com> wrote:
> What if someone says.. The 80pin ide connector is used to interface the
> harddrive.. to the motherboard ide/eide interface. You set the primary ide
> device to master and the secondary ide device to slave.. or cable select as
> long as the Master is on the end(And the colors of mother board ata ide
> interfaces vary) I've seen blue/green. Also I have never had an
> 80pin/wire/conductor that had a blue end. Im sure they exist tho.
>
> Why do you prefer CS over the traditional MS/SL configuration? Probably a
> little easier if you gotta go back to the customer and replace a drive.
>
> I think they should be able to at least tell you why a 40pin wont work with
> with an ATA drive correctly too.. Might wanna add that on your list
>
>
> "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> news:user-2201032037070001@1.0.0.2...
> > In article <UjEX9.771$6G4.55@sccrnsc02>, "Michael E" <nomail@nospam.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > 80pin ribbon conductor is used for an ATA Drive. It plugs from a hard
> drive
> > > to the mobo... and its 80wires its what makes it different from the
> 40wire
> > > EIDE ribbon cable.. Did you want more depth to how the ribbon it self
> > > works? the reason is is 80 is cause they added 40 ground wires to it..
> and
> > > it tranfers data.. Its that what you wanted to hear?
> > >
> >
> >
> > No, actually, all I want to hear is the following-
> >
> > it is an 80 conductor cable
> >
> > the blue end goe to the mobo
> >
> > The other end is the master
> >
> > the middle in the slave
> >
> > set the jumpers on the HDD to CS (Cable Select)
> >
> > If you can tell me that much, you are telling me you have built at least a
> > few computers.
> >
> > The applicants I get, cannot tell me this much!!!
| |
| Jpsems418 2003-01-22, 11:23 pm |
| To: user@user.com
Hey man, if I would have known about you
3 months ago when I first got down here I would have loved to have come and
work for you EVEN FOR MIN. WAGE! Hell, I am used to making 500-750 a day in my
field. I am a labor consultant and I am used to working with company's and see
all the behind the scenes crap that your average employee just doesn't see. I
see all the day to day waste and charges that are caused by the employees by
are paid for by the employer.
JoeyP
KICK THE DEMON'S XXX!!!
| |
| Ghost 2003-01-22, 11:23 pm |
| In article <20030122233653.00586.00000225@mb-fm.aol.com>,
jpsems418@aol.com (Jpsems418) wrote:
> To: user@user.com
>
> Hey man, if I would have known about you
> 3 months ago when I first got down here I would have loved to have come and
> work for you EVEN FOR MIN. WAGE! Hell, I am used to making 500-750 a
day in my
> field. I am a labor consultant and I am used to working with company's
and see
> all the behind the scenes crap that your average employee just doesn't see. I
> see all the day to day waste and charges that are caused by the employees by
> are paid for by the employer.
>
> JoeyP
> KICK THE DEMON'S XXX!!!
Thanx for your support brutha!!!
| |
| Sierrahtl 2003-01-23, 12:23 am |
| Ghost,
It is a darn shame you aren't located a bit further north because if you
were I sure as hell wouldn't mind working for a guy like you. Integrity is
damn hard to find. Don't go changing.
Sierrahtl
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2201030855480001@1.0.0.2...
> In article <3e2e7771$0$16213@echo-01.iinet.net.au>, "Julian"
> <talywine@wantree.com.au> wrote:
>
> > how much, exactly, do you pay?
> >
> >
> > "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> > news:user-2001032115440001@1.0.0.3...
> > > Anyone in the West Pasco area???
> > >
> > > I am hiring another tech.
> > >
> > > Pay sux, but working conditions are great.
> > >
> > > apluscomputer.biz
>
>
>
> How good, exactly, are you? lol
>
>
>
> I see you are in Australia, so I know you are just asking out of
> curiousity- but let me tell you how many idiots I get in here looking for
> jobs.
>
> I give each and every applicant an informal test. I got tired of ppl
> claiming to be this and that and not being able to back it up.
>
> So, now before we go too much into the interveiw process, I hand the
> applicant a very simple thing, and ask him/her to tell me about it.
>
> I hand them an 80 conductor ribbon cable. I expect them to be able to
> tell me what it is, and how is it used. I expect them to be able to tell
> me what connector goes where, and what the jumper settings need to be. I
> know, I expect a lot, but this helps me decide how much of my time I am
> going to waste on this interview. So far, nobody- AND I DO MEAN NOBODY-
> has been able to tell me those things accurately. That includes CompTIA
> certified A+ Technicians claiming experience.
>
>
>
> Oh, and by the way- while I am on the subject of idiot applicants- here
> are a few hints.
>
> #1 Dress like you want the job. No, I do not mean you have to wear a $500
> suit. But do not show up in a wrinkled t-shirt and needing a bath
> (badly). Yes, I have had this applicant.
>
> #2 Be prepared. You call on the phone and ask if I am hiring. I ask if
> you have a resume. You say no. I say get a resume prepared and bring it
> in. You show up without a resume and tell me you do not have one. Do ya
> want the job or not? If you cannot follow the simple instructions now,
> how well will you follow instructions later. There are a lot of these
> guys and girls out there.
>
> #3 Be honest. Do not tell me of your years of experience- when they are
> figments of your imagination. First, I will check your references- if it
> gets that far. But mostly, I will be able to tell how much bullshit your
> are made of by talking to you. When you tell me you have been working in
> the field for years and have built a few hundred systems, but cannot tell
> me about that 80 conductor cable, you are full of the bullshit. btw- I am
> a skilled interveiwer (retired police sergeant investigator). During the
> interview, I will ask you questions and reword them and ask them again
> later. Will your answers be the same? If you are lying, they will not.
> I will know this.
>
> #3 Do not argue with me. I am potentially going to be your boss. You
> will potentially depend on me for your family's livlihood, and I will
> potentially depend on you for quality work. Do not sit in the interview
> with me and argue that you do not have to restart the machine after
> FDISKing and before formatting- I do not care how many times you say you
> do it. At this point in your career (the interveiw), you never argue
> about anything- unless it is blatently obvious. Some interviewers will
> deliberately say something wrong just to see if you argue. I do not think
> this is a good idea, but others do. But the point is, NEVER argue about
> something you are not 110% sure of. I know you cannot be 110% sure of
> formatting a HDD without restarting after FDISKing.
>
> #4 Do not attempt to hide a criminal record. I will do a criminal
> records check. Be forthright about it. If you made a mistake, and you
> are living up to it, I can deal with that. Lie to me, and you are gone.
> Lie to me now, you will lie to me later.
>
> #5 Do not brag to me how much stuff you got away with at your last job.
> Do not brag to me how much PRODUCT you got away with in your last job. If
> you stole from them, you will steal from me.
>
> #6 Be realistic about pay. If you are uncertified and unskilled, you
> should not expect (demand) $10 per hour. If you cannot pass my oral exam,
> then you do no thave experience- plain and simple. I do not mind training
> you (I am a state certified instructor), but I will not pay for your
> training too. If you need training, you should not expect a tremendous
> salary.
>
> Believe it or not, these are all VERY real issues that come up during
> interviews at my company!
>
>
>
> Now, here in my area of Florida, pay is low to start with. This area just
> not support high salaries. I am *literally* the only tech shop in the
> county hiring right now. None of the shops pay much, and the techs
> working there know this. They are not looking for jobs, because there are
> none- and they are happy to have the job they have- with as low as the pay
> is.
>
> If you have no experience, do not expect more than minimum wage. You are
> a cost center to me until you can produce for me, then you become an
> asset. These are the realities of business. When you become an asset
> (valuable), you will be paid accordingly. If you cannot even understand
> this simple concept, then you are not yet suited for employment- anywhere.
> You need to understand at least the very basics of business- or you will
> fail. Too many employees today *EXPECT* from their boss, while at the
> same time do not feel the should *GIVE*.
>
>
>
> So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
>
> If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
>
> I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
> woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
> on. You are still getting paid for the day.
>
> There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
> yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day out
> of the snacks and drinks.
>
> I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need help,
> I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
> have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
> to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
>
> Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least in
> my shop.
| |
| Michael E 2003-01-23, 2:23 am |
| Welp, Just as long as you admit there are some.. my Western Digital came
with an 80pin that wasnt color coded.. Either way.. Its all good.. gotta
respect the fact that you want someone who knows what to do with a cable..
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2201032212010001@1.0.0.2...
> Well, like I said, all I want is a basic understanding.
>
> When an applicant interviews with me and brags about how many computers he
> has built, but cannot tell me about the cable, something is wrong- and
> generally it means he/she is lying!
>
> Imagine that, someone who 'embellishes' his/her experience level. That
> doesnt really happen, does it? lol
>
> And, while not every mobo colors their ATA connector blue- although most
> do- I have boxes of 80 conductor cables all from different vendors, and
> each and every one of them is blue at the mobo end. I would have to say
> that I probably have never opened a computer with an 80 conductor cable
> that did not have a blue end for the mobo. It is only *VERY* rarely I
> have ever seen a 80 conductor cable that has mobo end that is not blue.
> Virtually all of them are- in my considerable experience.
>
>
> In article <3fIX9.5061$AV4.1473@sccrnsc01>, "Michael E"
> <nomail@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > What if someone says.. The 80pin ide connector is used to interface the
> > harddrive.. to the motherboard ide/eide interface. You set the primary
ide
> > device to master and the secondary ide device to slave.. or cable select
as
> > long as the Master is on the end(And the colors of mother board ata ide
> > interfaces vary) I've seen blue/green. Also I have never had an
> > 80pin/wire/conductor that had a blue end. Im sure they exist tho.
> >
> > Why do you prefer CS over the traditional MS/SL configuration? Probably
a
> > little easier if you gotta go back to the customer and replace a drive.
> >
> > I think they should be able to at least tell you why a 40pin wont work
with
> > with an ATA drive correctly too.. Might wanna add that on your list
> >
> >
> > "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> > news:user-2201032037070001@1.0.0.2...
> > > In article <UjEX9.771$6G4.55@sccrnsc02>, "Michael E"
<nomail@nospam.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > 80pin ribbon conductor is used for an ATA Drive. It plugs from a
hard
> > drive
> > > > to the mobo... and its 80wires its what makes it different from the
> > 40wire
> > > > EIDE ribbon cable.. Did you want more depth to how the ribbon it
self[
color=darkred]
> > > > works? the reason is is 80 is cause they added 40 ground wires to[/color]
it..
> > and
> > > > it tranfers data.. Its that what you wanted to hear?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No, actually, all I want to hear is the following-
> > >
> > > it is an 80 conductor cable
> > >
> > > the blue end goe to the mobo
> > >
> > > The other end is the master
> > >
> > > the middle in the slave
> > >
> > > set the jumpers on the HDD to CS (Cable Select)
> > >
> > > If you can tell me that much, you are telling me you have built at
least a[col
or=darkred]
> > > few computers.
> > >
> > > The applicants I get, cannot tell me this much!!![/color]
| |
| AzpiRin 2003-01-23, 3:23 am |
| well, to be honest, it wasn't really about your requirement. it is more
like your business conduct. you should know by now what kind of people are
out there. stop frustrating about what kind of idiots coming in for
interview and try your best to search for a good potential worker. most
important, learn to suppress your emotion. you should know by now with your
work experience. with that kind of attitude (seems like always not
satisfied), how would you lead your employee. do you think they will listen
to boss like that?
oh boy, the guy can't take an opinion. imagine that.
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2201032048300001@1.0.0.2...
> In article <wtFX9.7155$h9.1580500@twister.socal.rr.com>, "AzpiRin"
> <azpirin@hanmail.net> wrote:
>
> > well for not paying much, boy, you expect so much. main thing is for a
such
> > under pay, you should really consider finding a reliable person. Quick
> > minded person who requires a little guide to accomplish bigger thing.
> >
> > person you wanted as listed requirement in previous post, may most
likely
> > try not to be stuck with company like yours. they will try to advance
their
> > skill to higher certification in order to look for better paying job.
> >
> > so consider that.
> >
> >
>
>
> You might consider a few things yourself... First off, know of what you
speak!
>
> I do not ask that applicants have 10 years of experience. I ask they have
> some sence of responsibility. I ask they have some idea of what a PC is
> inside. I ask they are trainable. That is all.
>
> If you feel that is too much to ask for- regardless of any experience
> (none or 10 years worth), then I am glad you are not working for me. You
> would be untrustworthy for any responsibility- or for that matter not able
> to be left alone. Either you would steal from me or screw up the customer
> PCs.
>
> That is a major problem with the workforce today- especially the younger
> workforce. There is simply *NO* work ethic. In fact, there are few who
> have ethics at all! You all want to be a millionaire within the first
> year employed, and you are not willing to put out for your employer at
> all. Take take take.
>
> I only ask they have a basic understanding of PCs- in some way, shape, or
form.
>
> If you cannot tell me about the ribbon cable I hand to you, then you do
> not have enough experience to open a box, let alone work on one for a
> customer.
>
> As far as pay, again, know of what you speak. This is Florida, not NY,
> CA, TX or anywhere else. This marker I am in, unfortunately, just does
> not support large salaries. Nobody around here makes large sums of money-
> including me!
>
> In fact, I have very little turn over. I treat my employees very well. I
> often take them to lunch, they get time off with pay as they need it, the
> atmosphere is quite relaxed most of the time, there are always snacks and
> drinks (free), and I do not micro-manage. In short- they enjoy the job.
> But, they live in this area, and they know the pay sux no matter where you
> go. So, since I cannot pay them like I would like to, I take care of them
> in other ways.
>
> How is it where you work?
| |
| Julian 2003-01-23, 7:23 am |
| whats the pay like?
"Jpsems418" <jpsems418@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030122122300.12285.00000116@mb-da.aol.com...
> >So, the pay is low- but in my shop the working conditions are great.
> >
> >If you need time off for something, you got it- with pay.
> >
> >I do not watch the clock. So, if you are a little late, be a man (or
> >woman) and own up to it when you come in ("Sorry, I overslept") and move
> >on. You are still getting paid for the day.
> >
> >There is always snacks and drinks available. Just do not make a pig of
> >yourself like the last guy I had there. He ate three full meals a day
out
> >of the snacks and drinks.
> >
> >I do not micro-manage. You know your job (or should). If you need help,
> >I will help you, but I will not be over your shoulder all the time. We
> >have very specific ways of doing things in my shop, and I will train you
> >to those ways. After that, I will trust you do things that way.
> >
> >Act professionally, and you will be treated as a professional- at least
in
> >my shop.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Wow...Where did you say you were? Florida? I am just across the state
line in
> GA. To far to drive?
>
> I have very good bathing habits.
>
> I normally dress nice.
>
> I have little professional experience in this field, but I am a hard
worker and
> willing to learn.
>
> Ihave no criminal record(speeding ticket count?)
>
> I have started at the bottom and moved up in my last two fields, so I
don'y
> mind doing it again.
>
> JoeyP
> KICK THE DEMON'S XXX!!!
| |
|
| In article <uELX9.4814$rM2.6856@rwcrnsc53>, "Sierrahtl"
<Don'tEvenBotherMe@home.com> wrote:
> Ghost,
> It is a darn shame you aren't located a bit further north because if you
> were I sure as hell wouldn't mind working for a guy like you. Integrity is
> damn hard to find. Don't go changing.
>
> Sierrahtl
>
>
Thanx or your support.
Wish you were further south... lol
| |
|
| Thank you so much on what to maybe expect from an interview. Maybe they all
aren't like this, but actually it would be great if they were :-)
As far as embellishing MY experience level, I would never do that. I have
heard of others that have done this.
Well, this leaves me out. I am way up here in central new york.
Thanks,
Kathy
A+
| |
|
| On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:37:08 GMT, user@user.com (Ghost) wrote:
>No, actually, all I want to hear is the following-
>
>it is an 80 conductor cable
>
>the blue end goe to the mobo
>
>The other end is the master
>
>the middle in the slave
>
>set the jumpers on the HDD to CS (Cable Select)
>
>If you can tell me that much, you are telling me you have built at least a
>few computers.
>
>The applicants I get, cannot tell me this much!!!
To quote the Western Digital Manual:
"Since not all computer systems and motherboards have implemented
support for Cable Select, it is necessary to determine which
configuration method can be used"
So there are systems where the answer you want an applicant to provide
would be incorrect.
You must also consider that due to physical orientation of IDE devices
in a machine, the middle connector may not reach the desired slave
device. Thus knowledge of Master/Slave configuration can be very useful
Mark D.
| |
| Barry Watzman 2003-01-24, 9:23 am |
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A very good post, and you are right, most people are clueless about
running a business.
However, let me make one request, the question has been asked
repeatedly, what do you pay your technicians? While all of your points
are still valid, there are lots of us who would like to know the actual
number, just out of curiosity. Also, where in Florida, Panhandle
(Pensacola), Jax, Tampa, Orlando, Daytona, Miami, etc.
Just curious about going wages in various locations.
Ghost wrote:
> In article <TiIX9.3656$6G4.2170@sccrnsc02>, "Michael E"
> <nomail@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>How bad is the pay? Just wondering.. seems like if your offering under 8bux
>>an hour.. no one would really want it.. Because
>
>
>>A. they know your getting a big deal of money from the customer, which
>
> does >not benifit them.
>
> Typical "user" response. This is exactly what I was talking about in
> another post- use use use, take take take- with nothing being given back
> to your employer. ou want all for you, without any risk, and without any
> sacrifice.
>
> You have absolutely *NO* freaking idea about running a business. Sure,
> there is that big hefty $50 per billable hour (notice I said billable
> hour). So, lets just assume I pay you $10 per hour. Now, lets say you
> work on that PC for 3 hours- but because you work slow, or because there
> were unforseen circumstances, I can only bill the customer for one hour.
> So, I get that huge $50, right? But wait, I have to pay you for 3 hours,
> dont I?. So, you got $30, and I got $20. Seems fair to you, right?
>
> Now, if the customer pays with a credit card, I do not see $50.00. I see
> perhaps $47.00 by time you figure the discount rate, the connection fee,
> the settling fee, and the monthly service charges.
>
> But wait, I said I pay you $30 for 3 hours, right? Ahh, but I also have
> to pay Uncle Sam for your payroll taxes - equal to what you pay in your
> taxes. So, lets just say that is about 5 bucks. So, I just paid you
> $30.00, Uncle Sam $5.00, The credit card company 3.00, and I get to keep
> $12.00. btw- chances are, you get all your payroll taxes back at the end
> of the year, I do not.
>
> But wait, I still have to pay rent, phones, broadband, yellow pages
> advertising, sales taxes, unemployment taxes, corporate taxes, electric,
> insurance, professional services (bookkeeeper, banking fees, accountant,
> credit card merchant fees), etc.
>
> Oh, and who lays out the money for all the computer parts we use
> throughout the week or month? You?
>
> I also own the equipment and the bench you used to work on that computer.
> So, I paid for that too. Chances are, you do not have all the tools you
> need to work on computers- so I have to buy some of those too, right? You
> expect me to do that, right?
>
> Oh, and who pays for all the software licenses for the stuff we use? Not
> you, thats for damned sure!
>
> So, ya think I am making a killing on your back? Out of that $50.00, I
> probably get a few pennies- or worse, I lose money. If I do not get
> enough billable hours that week, do you still expect to get paid? You bet
> your XXX you do! And, the way I run my company, if I were to ever get
> that short at payroll time, my employees get paid before I do (I am an
> employee too, ya know). Are you willing to make that sacrifice for your
> boss? Because I am willing to make that sacrifice for my employees!
>
> Oh, and who takes the heat when that PC comes back because the customer
> might not have been happy with your quality of workmanship?
>
> Who takes the time to ensure all our products get ordered and delivered?
> Who deals with the jerk customers- you know, the ones that just become a
> pain in the butt!
>
> Oh, and who's money is it anyway that is all wrapped up in this venture to
> pay you $10.00 per hour?
>
> And, who is there on Saturday, Sunday, or at night to get caught up- you?
> Hell no, you are out getting drunk or something. You are out the door at
> one minute after the hour, arent you?
>
> And who provides you with your training? Ok- I will pay you $10.. an
> hour- but you have to pay me to train you- thats fair, isnt it? After
> all, I am a state certified instructor- I wrote the instructor's manual
> for teaching the A+ course- my time is valuable, isnt it? So, what should
> I get paid as an instructor? Keep in mind, this is very close to
> one-on-one instruction. That has to be worth $150-$200 an hour, right?-
> for personalized one-on-one instruction??
>
>
>
>
>
>>B. They could go into business for them selfs and manage their own techs.
>
>
> Go right ahead- see above. If you succeed, I would be glad to shut down
> my doors and come work for you- at a very high rate of pay, of course!
>
>
>
> C. Why
>
>>would any tech with or with out 10 ywars of experience work for minimum
>>wage.. (providing thats what your paying).
>>
>
>
> If I could get a decent tech with 10 years of valuable experience, I would
> hire him/her- at a competitive wage. I would like nothing better to do
> less bench work, and more building the business work!
>
> You should consider this- are you worth to your employer what you want to
> get paid? If you are honest with yourself, especially with your employee
> attitude you demonstrated above, probably not.
| |
|
| In article <3E315548.1000209@neo.rr.com>, Barry Watzman
<Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> A very good post, and you are right, most people are clueless about
> running a business.
>
> However, let me make one request, the question has been asked
> repeatedly, what do you pay your technicians? While all of your points
> are still valid, there are lots of us who would like to know the actual
> number, just out of curiosity. Also, where in Florida, Panhandle
> (Pensacola), Jax, Tampa, Orlando, Daytona, Miami, etc.
>
> Just curious about going wages in various locations.
>
>
About an hour or so north of Tampa... Average tech pay with experience
around here iis about 8 an hour- if you are real good.
That is about the most this area supports. I talk to the other shops
around town, and talk to applicants who have been applying elsewhere...
This area really sux for pay. In fact, first chance I get, I am outta
here too!!! lol
| |
| SBFan2000 2003-01-24, 9:23 pm |
| that does suck, can't even live off of that
"Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
news:user-2401032106260001@1.0.0.2...
> In article <3E315548.1000209@neo.rr.com>, Barry Watzman
> <Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > A very good post, and you are right, most people are clueless about
> > running a business.
> >
> > However, let me make one request, the question has been asked
> > repeatedly, what do you pay your technicians? While all of your points
> > are still valid, there are lots of us who would like to know the actual
> > number, just out of curiosity. Also, where in Florida, Panhandle
> > (Pensacola), Jax, Tampa, Orlando, Daytona, Miami, etc.
> >
> > Just curious about going wages in various locations.
> >
> >
>
>
> About an hour or so north of Tampa... Average tech pay with experience
> around here iis about 8 an hour- if you are real good.
>
> That is about the most this area supports. I talk to the other shops
> around town, and talk to applicants who have been applying elsewhere...
>
> This area really sux for pay. In fact, first chance I get, I am outta
> here too!!! lol
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| In article <v33uqnrfk4qm52@corp.supernews.com>, "SBFan2000"
<webmaster@glenngriffith.com> wrote:
> that does suck, can't even live off of that
>
> "Ghost" <user@user.com> wrote in message
> news:user-2401032106260001@1.0.0.2...
> > In article <3E315548.1000209@neo.rr.com>, Barry Watzman
> > <Watzman@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > A very good post, and you are right, most people are clueless about
> > > running a business.
> > >
> > > However, let me make one request, t | | |