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Installing OS with no CD, no network

Tom Feldsten

2002-08-22, 1:28 pm

Hi -

Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp PC-9050. It has
one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD or battery. At one time
there was a cord that allowed the floppy to be used externally, with the CD
in the expansion bay. That cord is long gone. So, now the choices are to
boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the BIOS does not support booting from
CD.

How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a floppy
boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is found? Also, a
network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA services are dependent
on the OS - the laptop does not even aknowledge the PCMCIA slots until an OS
is installed.

Some possible solutions that I've come up with:
1) Install W3.1 or 95 from floppy (means finding someone with those)
2) Remove HDD and use a 2.5 to 3.5 converter to install OS from a desktop

Any others?

-Tom

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MCSEwannabe

2002-08-22, 1:28 pm

"Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi -
>
> Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp PC-9050.
> It has one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD or battery.
> At one time there was a cord that allowed the floppy to be used
> externally, with the CD in the expansion bay. That cord is long gone.
> So, now the choices are to boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the
> BIOS does not support booting from CD.
>
> How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a
> floppy boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is found?
> Also, a network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA services
> are dependent on the OS - the laptop does not even aknowledge the
> PCMCIA slots until an OS is installed.
>
> Some possible solutions that I've come up with:
> 1) Install W3.1 or 95 from floppy (means finding someone with those)
> 2) Remove HDD and use a 2.5 to 3.5 converter to install OS from a
> desktop
>

2a) mount 2.5 drive in another PC, copy install files to 2.5, move to
laptop, run install ( so install IDs devices correctly )

3) Install DOS on the hard drive, manually install the CD Rom drivers,
install Win98.

4) Parallel port zip drive?

denis_baribeau

2002-08-22, 6:04 pm

Do this

Put floppy drive in the bay,boot with a windows boot disk (the same version you're going to install).

Prepare the HD (fdisk,format)

from the A: prompt type this
sys c:

Then make a directory called DOS on the C: drive.

Get oakcdrom driver from web.

Copy these file to the DOS directory

oakcdrom.sys
mscdex.exe
himem.sys

Edit the config.sys file in the root directory of C: to do this.

device=c:\dos\himem.sys
devicehigh=c:dos\oakcdrom.sys /d:cdrom

Save that

Edit autoexec.bat in the root directory of C: to do this.

set path=c:\;c:\dos
mscdex /d:cdrom /l:d

After you done all that,power down the laptop,take out the floppy drive and put in the cd drive and boot the pc.The hard drive should boot,find a drive letter for the cd,and get you to a dos prompt.From there you can change to the CD-ROM drive and run setup.exe.My preference is to create a directory on the C: called wincabs,and than copy everything from the the install directory of the CD (win95 or win98 or whatever) into the wincabs directory.Then just run setup.exe from the wincabs directory.It's much faster,and anytime windows asks for the installation CD,you can just point it to the C:\wincabs if it doesn't do it by itself.

Good luck

Newsgroups

2002-08-22, 9:28 pm

I've done this before using a Dos boot floppy with network drivers on it to
connect to the network and then copy the cab files from a shared CD drive on
another machine on the network. Then install from cab files on the HDD.

Jim.

"MCSEwannabe" <MCSEwannabe@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> "Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp PC-9050.
> > It has one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD or battery.
> > At one time there was a cord that allowed the floppy to be used
> > externally, with the CD in the expansion bay. That cord is long gone.
> > So, now the choices are to boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the
> > BIOS does not support booting from CD.
> >
> > How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a
> > floppy boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is found?
> > Also, a network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA services
> > are dependent on the OS - the laptop does not even aknowledge the
> > PCMCIA slots until an OS is installed.
> >
> > Some possible solutions that I've come up with:
> > 1) Install W3.1 or 95 from floppy (means finding someone with those)
> > 2) Remove HDD and use a 2.5 to 3.5 converter to install OS from a
> > desktop
> >
>
> 2a) mount 2.5 drive in another PC, copy install files to 2.5, move to
> laptop, run install ( so install IDs devices correctly )
>
> 3) Install DOS on the hard drive, manually install the CD Rom drivers,
> install Win98.
>
> 4) Parallel port zip drive?

MCSEwannabe

2002-08-22, 9:28 pm

"Newsgroups" <jimr@eagle.ca> wrote:

> I've done this before using a Dos boot floppy with network drivers on
> it to connect to the network and then copy the cab files from a shared
> CD drive on another machine on the network. Then install from cab
> files on the HDD.
>
> Jim.

Yes, but getting PCMCIA drivers (for the network card) loaded from DOS is
an extreme pain, especially if you want to be left with enough free
memory to run the install program.

> "MCSEwannabe" <MCSEwannabe@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns927283663BD04MCSEwanna
be123@204.127.68.17...
>> "Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi -
>> >
>> > Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp
>> > PC-9050. It has one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD
>> > or battery. At one time there was a cord that allowed the floppy to
>> > be used externally, with the CD in the expansion bay. That cord is
>> > long gone.
>> > So, now the choices are to boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the
>> > BIOS does not support booting from CD.
>> >
>> > How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a
>> > floppy boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is
>> > found? Also, a network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA
>> > services are dependent on the OS - the laptop does not even
>> > aknowledge the PCMCIA slots until an OS is installed.

JimR

2002-08-22, 9:28 pm

Agreed, but once the cabs are copied over, you don't need the network
drivers and can run from a basic boot floppy.

Jim.

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> "Newsgroups" <jimr@eagle.ca> wrote:
>
> > I've done this before using a Dos boot floppy with network drivers on
> > it to connect to the network and then copy the cab files from a shared
> > CD drive on another machine on the network. Then install from cab
> > files on the HDD.
> >
> > Jim.
>
> Yes, but getting PCMCIA drivers (for the network card) loaded from DOS is
> an extreme pain, especially if you want to be left with enough free
> memory to run the install program.
>
>
> > "MCSEwannabe" <MCSEwannabe@invalid.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns927283663BD04MCSEwanna
be123@204.127.68.17...
> >> "Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi -
> >> >
> >> > Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp
> >> > PC-9050. It has one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD
> >> > or battery. At one time there was a cord that allowed the floppy to
> >> > be used externally, with the CD in the expansion bay. That cord is
> >> > long gone.
> >> > So, now the choices are to boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the
> >> > BIOS does not support booting from CD.
> >> >
> >> > How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a
> >> > floppy boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is
> >> > found? Also, a network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA
> >> > services are dependent on the OS - the laptop does not even
> >> > aknowledge the PCMCIA slots until an OS is installed.

Newsgroups

2002-08-22, 10:28 pm

MCSEwannabe

2002-08-22, 10:28 pm

JimR

2002-08-22, 10:28 pm

Tom Feldsten

2002-08-22, 10:28 pm

All good ideas (except those for suggesting loading PCMCIA drivers in DOS -
talk about next to impossible. . . .!), however here's what I did (I warn
you, it sounds hokey): I boot the laptop with a W98 boot disk, and just as
the computer was trying to locate a CD drive, I removed the FDD and put in
the CD drive. Then, when the driver was loaded I put the FDD back in and
continued loading. Of course I copied the win98 directory to the hard drive
and installed from that - done this too many times to not know that one.
Undoubtedly the autoexec can be edited to add a delay before the CD driver
is loaded (giving me a little more time to swap drives), but it worked.

Thanks to all who responded! Denis, yours sounded the best, and I will play
with that in future.

-Tom

"denis_baribeau" <denis_baribeau.9te8f@mail.examnotes.net> wrote in message
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>
> Do this
>
> Put floppy drive in the bay,boot with a windows boot disk (the same
> version you're going to install).
>
> Prepare the HD (fdisk,format)
>
> from the A: prompt type this
> sys c:
>
> Then make a directory called DOS on the C: drive.
>
> Get oakcdrom driver from web.
>
> Copy these file to the DOS directory
>
> oakcdrom.sys
> mscdex.exe
> himem.sys
>
>
> Edit the config.sys file in the root directory of C: to do this.
>
> device=c:\dos\himem.sys
> devicehigh=c:dos\oakcdrom.sys /d:cdrom
>
> Save that
>
> Edit autoexec.bat in the root directory of C: to do this.
>
> set path=c:\;c:\dos
> mscdex /d:cdrom /l:d
>
>
> After you done all that,power down the laptop,take out the floppy drive
> and put in the cd drive and boot the pc.The hard drive should boot,find
> a drive letter for the cd,and get you to a dos prompt.From there you can
> change to the CD-ROM drive and run setup.exe.My preference is to create
> a directory on the C: called wincabs,and than copy everything from the
> the install directory of the CD (win95 or win98 or whatever) into the
> wincabs directory.Then just run setup.exe from the wincabs
> directory.It's much faster,and anytime windows asks for the installation
> CD,you can just point it to the C:\wincabs if it doesn't do it by
> itself.
>
> Good luck
>
> ---
> View this thread: http://www.examnotes.net/article57444.html
> denis_baribeau
>
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Tom Feldsten

2002-08-22, 11:28 pm

Paul E Larson

2002-08-23, 12:28 am

In article <3d651b52$1_3@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com>, "Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi -
>
>Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp PC-9050. It has
>one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD or battery. At one time
>there was a cord that allowed the floppy to be used externally, with the CD
>in the expansion bay. That cord is long gone. So, now the choices are to
>boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the BIOS does not support booting from
>CD.
>
>How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a floppy
>boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is found? Also, a
>network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA services are dependent
>on the OS - the laptop does not even aknowledge the PCMCIA slots until an OS
>is installed.

Here is what I do with a Thinkpad 701. Pull the hard drive, hook it up to a PC
that has a CD on it, format the drive(if needed), make a win95 directory, copy
the CD's Win95 directory to the laptop drive. Move the drive back to the
laptop boot to DOS and install Win95(I use setup.exe /im /id /iq /is).

Works for me.

Paul

Paul E Larson

2002-08-23, 1:29 am

Mike King

2002-08-24, 6:28 pm

Lucky you didn't blow something up, the drives are not hotswapable. Best
solution is to boot to floppy, fdisk, format, sys the c: drive and then
install dos cdrom drivers, power down swap to cdrom drive and boot the
machine. Copy the CAB files to the hard drive and run SETUP from the CABS
directory on your HDD.

--
darkroommike
----------------------

"Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d65ae2a_1@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com...
> All good ideas (except those for suggesting loading PCMCIA drivers in
DOS -
> talk about next to impossible. . . .!), however here's what I did (I warn
> you, it sounds hokey): I boot the laptop with a W98 boot disk, and just
as
> the computer was trying to locate a CD drive, I removed the FDD and put in
> the CD drive. Then, when the driver was loaded I put the FDD back in and
> continued loading. Of course I copied the win98 directory to the hard
drive
> and installed from that - done this too many times to not know that one.
> Undoubtedly the autoexec can be edited to add a delay before the CD driver
> is loaded (giving me a little more time to swap drives), but it worked.
>
> Thanks to all who responded! Denis, yours sounded the best, and I will
play
> with that in future.
>
> -Tom
>
>
> "denis_baribeau" <denis_baribeau.9te8f@mail.examnotes.net> wrote in
message
> news:denis_baribeau.9te8f@mail.examnotes.net...
> >
> > Do this
> >
> > Put floppy drive in the bay,boot with a windows boot disk (the same
> > version you're going to install).
> >
> > Prepare the HD (fdisk,format)
> >
> > from the A: prompt type this
> > sys c:
> >
> > Then make a directory called DOS on the C: drive.
> >
> > Get oakcdrom driver from web.
> >
> > Copy these file to the DOS directory
> >
> > oakcdrom.sys
> > mscdex.exe
> > himem.sys
> >
> >
> > Edit the config.sys file in the root directory of C: to do this.
> >
> > device=c:\dos\himem.sys
> > devicehigh=c:dos\oakcdrom.sys /d:cdrom
> >
> > Save that
> >
> > Edit autoexec.bat in the root directory of C: to do this.
> >
> > set path=c:\;c:\dos
> > mscdex /d:cdrom /l:d
> >
> >
> > After you done all that,power down the laptop,take out the floppy drive
> > and put in the cd drive and boot the pc.The hard drive should boot,find
> > a drive letter for the cd,and get you to a dos prompt.From there you can
> > change to the CD-ROM drive and run setup.exe.My preference is to create
> > a directory on the C: called wincabs,and than copy everything from the
> > the install directory of the CD (win95 or win98 or whatever) into the
> > wincabs directory.Then just run setup.exe from the wincabs
> > directory.It's much faster,and anytime windows asks for the installation
> > CD,you can just point it to the C:\wincabs if it doesn't do it by
> > itself.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > ---
> > View this thread: http://www.examnotes.net/article57444.html
> > denis_baribeau
> >
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> >
>
>
>
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Mike King

2002-08-24, 7:28 pm

PJS

2002-08-26, 9:28 am

"MCSEwannabe" <MCSEwannabe@invalid.com> wrote in message
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be123@204.127.68.17...
> "Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp PC-9050.
> > It has one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD or battery.
> > At one time there was a cord that allowed the floppy to be used
> > externally, with the CD in the expansion bay. That cord is long gone.
> > So, now the choices are to boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the
> > BIOS does not support booting from CD.
> >
> > How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a
> > floppy boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is found?
> > Also, a network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA services
> > are dependent on the OS - the laptop does not even aknowledge the
> > PCMCIA slots until an OS is installed.
> >
> > Some possible solutions that I've come up with:
> > 1) Install W3.1 or 95 from floppy (means finding someone with those)
> > 2) Remove HDD and use a 2.5 to 3.5 converter to install OS from a
> > desktop
> >
>
> 2a) mount 2.5 drive in another PC, copy install files to 2.5, move to
> laptop, run install ( so install IDs devices correctly )
>
> 3) Install DOS on the hard drive, manually install the CD Rom drivers,
> install Win98.
>
> 4) Parallel port zip drive?

How about...(in order) (This is a longer explanation of #3 above)

1. Boot from floppy (with floppy drive in place).

2. Partition hard drive (you can even add partitions at this point) and
format C: as a system disk (making the hard drive bootable).

3. Manually copy new autoexec.bat and config.sys to the hard drive from a
floppy OR create your own. (Note: At this point your hard drive will boot
into DOS on its own.) Make sure autoexec.bat and config.sys have the drivers
for your CD drive. The key here is knowing how to write these two files.

4. Reboot with the CD Rom drive in place and install Win 9x. (As an option
here, you could copy the CD Rom to the hard drive (in its own directory or
own partition) and boot from there. It would probably be faster than your CD
Rom. This assumes you have enough hard drive space.

Note: The above instructions are for installing Win 9x. Win 2000 and XP can
still be done, it's just not as easy.

Pete

PJS

2002-08-26, 9:28 am

"MCSEwannabe" <MCSEwannabe@invalid.com> wrote in message
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be123@204.127.68.17...
> "Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp PC-9050.
> > It has one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD or battery.
> > At one time there was a cord that allowed the floppy to be used
> > externally, with the CD in the expansion bay. That cord is long gone.
> > So, now the choices are to boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the
> > BIOS does not support booting from CD.
> >
> > How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a
> > floppy boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is found?
> > Also, a network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA services
> > are dependent on the OS - the laptop does not even aknowledge the
> > PCMCIA slots until an OS is installed.
> >
> > Some possible solutions that I've come up with:
> > 1) Install W3.1 or 95 from floppy (means finding someone with those)
> > 2) Remove HDD and use a 2.5 to 3.5 converter to install OS from a
> > desktop
> >
>
> 2a) mount 2.5 drive in another PC, copy install files to 2.5, move to
> laptop, run install ( so install IDs devices correctly )
>
> 3) Install DOS on the hard drive, manually install the CD Rom drivers,
> install Win98.
>
> 4) Parallel port zip drive?

While I have already replied to this, for some reason my reply isn't making
it on my ISP's server, so I will make my additions/corrections in this new
message.

In the middle of the step where I talked about either editing your
autoexec.bat and config.sys files to include your CD Rom drivers or copying
them from a floppy, I forgot to add this very important step:

Copy your CD Rom drivers to the hard drive from your floppy! This will be
the actual CD Rom driver that will be referenced in the config.sys as well
as MSCDEX for your autoexec.bat file. (If you put them in a different
folder, make sure your statements tell the computer which folder.) Then shut
down, swap the floppy drive for the CD Rom drive, start up and go to it.

I knew there was something about my other instructions but couldn't quite
figure it out at the time. Must be old age.

Pete

PJS

2002-08-26, 10:28 am

PJS

2002-08-26, 10:28 am

"MCSEwannabe" <MCSEwannabe@invalid.com> wrote in message
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be123@204.127.68.17...
> "Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi -
> >
> > Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp PC-9050.
> > It has one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD or battery.
> > At one time there was a cord that allowed the floppy to be used
> > externally, with the CD in the expansion bay. That cord is long gone.
> > So, now the choices are to boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the
> > BIOS does not support booting from CD.
> >
> > How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a
> > floppy boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is found?
> > Also, a network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA services
> > are dependent on the OS - the laptop does not even aknowledge the
> > PCMCIA slots until an OS is installed.
> >
> > Some possible solutions that I've come up with:
> > 1) Install W3.1 or 95 from floppy (means finding someone with those)
> > 2) Remove HDD and use a 2.5 to 3.5 converter to install OS from a
> > desktop
> >
>
> 2a) mount 2.5 drive in another PC, copy install files to 2.5, move to
> laptop, run install ( so install IDs devices correctly )
>
> 3) Install DOS on the hard drive, manually install the CD Rom drivers,
> install Win98.
>
> 4) Parallel port zip drive?

While I have already replied to this, for some reason my reply isn't making
it on my ISP's server, so I will make my additions/corrections in this new
message.

In the middle of the step where I talked about either editing your
autoexec.bat and config.sys files to include your CD Rom drivers or copying
them from a floppy, I forgot to add this very important step:

Copy your CD Rom drivers to the hard drive from your floppy! This will be
the actual CD Rom driver that will be referenced in the config.sys as well
as MSCDEX for your autoexec.bat file. (If you put them in a different
folder, make sure your statements tell the computer which folder.) Then shut
down, swap the floppy drive for the CD Rom drive, start up and go to it.

I knew there was something about my other instructions but couldn't quite
figure it out at the time. Must be old age.

Pete

PJS

2002-08-26, 10:28 pm

Wow, only four days since I posted this until it showed up. Maybe I should
just keep my mouth shut.

Pete

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>
> "MCSEwannabe" <MCSEwannabe@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns927283663BD04MCSEwanna
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> > "Tom Feldsten" <tomfeldsten@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi -
> > >
> > > Here's a question for ya'all. I am working on an old Sharp PC-9050.
> > > It has one expansion bay which will accept either FDD, CD or battery.
> > > At one time there was a cord that allowed the floppy to be used
> > > externally, with the CD in the expansion bay. That cord is long gone.
> > > So, now the choices are to boot from floppy or boot from HDD - the
> > > BIOS does not support booting from CD.
> > >
> > > How would you install an OS onto a clean hard drive, knowing that a
> > > floppy boot disk does not install CD drivers if no CD drive is found?
> > > Also, a network boot disk is not the answer, because PCMCIA services
> > > are dependent on the OS - the laptop does not even aknowledge the
> > > PCMCIA slots until an OS is installed.
> > >
> > > Some possible solutions that I've come up with:
> > > 1) Install W3.1 or 95 from floppy (means finding someone with those)
> > > 2) Remove HDD and use a 2.5 to 3.5 converter to install OS from a
> > > desktop
> > >
> >
> > 2a) mount 2.5 drive in another PC, copy install files to 2.5, move to
> > laptop, run install ( so install IDs devices correctly )
> >
> > 3) Install DOS on the hard drive, manually install the CD Rom drivers,
> > install Win98.
> >
> > 4) Parallel port zip drive?
>
> While I have already replied to this, for some reason my reply isn't
making
> it on my ISP's server, so I will make my additions/corrections in this new
> message.
>
> In the middle of the step where I talked about either editing your
> autoexec.bat and config.sys files to include your CD Rom drivers or
copying
> them from a floppy, I forgot to add this very important step:
>
> Copy your CD Rom drivers to the hard drive from your floppy! This will be
> the actual CD Rom driver that will be referenced in the config.sys as well
> as MSCDEX for your autoexec.bat file. (If you put them in a different
> folder, make sure your statements tell the computer which folder.) Then
shut
> down, swap the floppy drive for the CD Rom drive, start up and go to it.
>
> I knew there was something about my other instructions but couldn't quite
> figure it out at the time. Must be old age.
>
> Pete
>
>

PJS

2002-08-26, 11:28 pm

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