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How bad is/was Windows Me
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| Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
reason to ditch it.
What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
advice to customers on the matter..
Cheers guys.
Darren
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| Ucharia Tross 2002-07-17, 7:25 am |
| Let's put it this way, the only good thing, and I stress, the only good
thing about ME was the built in driver database besides that it was a
frankenstien monster created from 98...of course that's only my opinion
though I have had several customers agree with me.
Ucharia Tross
"1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>
> I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
> put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
> reason to ditch it.
>
> What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
> advice to customers on the matter..
>
> Cheers guys.
>
> Darren
>
>
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| cllogan 2002-07-17, 8:25 am |
| I've personally not used ME; however, I've had scads of students tell me it
was awful and that they either ditched it for 98SE or W2K with marked
improvement.
Even CompTIA doesn't recognize it as a mainstream OS, so that tells you
something.
::::::getting out a can of MEbegone and spraying it all over the
place::::::::::::: LOL
Carly
"1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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news.dial.pipex.com...
> Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>
> I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
> put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
> reason to ditch it.
>
> What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
> advice to customers on the matter..
>
> Cheers guys.
>
> Darren
>
>
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| Tom MacIntyre 2002-07-17, 12:25 pm |
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>"1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
>> Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>>
>> I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
>> put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
>> reason to ditch it.
>>
>> What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
>> advice to customers on the matter..
>>
>> Cheers guys.
>>
>> Darren
>>
I found it bad for memory leaks and multiple/redundant/crashed/corrupt
drivers. It wouldn't stay running for me any more than a day or two at
the maximum before I'd need a restart.
Tom
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| Paradox 2002-07-17, 12:25 pm |
| So bad that if I find a machine that has it
on it, I recommend formatting and installing
Win2K. Try to stay away from XP Home also.
XP Pro is fairly good but Home is isn't very
stable running multiple apps from what I have
seen and heard.
"1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk>
wrote in message
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| Just thought i'd like to start a small
debate.
|
| I hate it cause it crashed when i had only
just installed it. I hadnt even
| put any programs on. On the first proper
start. That was a good enough
| reason to ditch it.
|
| What are your guys opinions? These opinions
obviously would reflect your
| advice to customers on the matter..
|
| Cheers guys.
|
| Darren
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|
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| father Christmas 2002-07-17, 12:25 pm |
| In my opinion a way to keep Me stable is not to install "curious" small
programmes that aren't widely used by people.Don't install strange kind of
drivers,defragment your hard disc,DON'T use firewalls unless necessary and
try to stick close to your loved programmes.Avoid freeware or shareware.They
are dangerous(OK,sometimes!!)
And don't forget.'Windows' are UNSTABLE anyway.
I use WinMe (pre-installed) on my Sony Vaio Laptop without too much
problem. I agree about some of the freeware/shareware crud, just because it
works with a particular OS that doesn't mean it's designed for that OS; but
most likely it's games, especially 3D graphics, that you'll have problems
with on WinMe. For a firewall, I use the free ZoneAlarm, which is fabulous
and problem-free on WinMe. MAKE SURE that when your WinMe seems to be
running great, that you create a Restore Point or two.
"1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
> Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>
> I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
> put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
> reason to ditch it.
>
> What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
> advice to customers on the matter..
>
> Cheers guys.
>
> Darren
>
>
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| axplayer 2002-07-17, 12:25 pm |
| During my 1+ yr of supporting printers in a call center, I would have to say
that systems running ME gave people more trouble in general, not just with
the printer... and what's with those green question marks in the device
manager?? I'd go with 98SE over ME, XP over both.
"1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
> Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>
> I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
> put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
> reason to ditch it.
>
> What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
> advice to customers on the matter..
>
> Cheers guys.
>
> Darren
>
>
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| John D. 2002-07-17, 3:25 pm |
| LOTS of people have been and still are using ME with no more probalems
than other Windows 9.x OSs. Even XP has problems.
John D.
"1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>...
> Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>
> I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
> put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
> reason to ditch it.
>
> What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
> advice to customers on the matter..
>
> Cheers guys.
>
> Darren
| |
|
| MS has withdrawn support for Win95. Win98 & NT4 will be next to go into =
the boundless ether.
Win95, 98 & ME in an office setting is a security risk many =
budget-minded companies took.
Any company serious about security uses NT4 or W2K or XP (in MS line)
ME is a dead-end OS that many people have had problems with.
Recommending ME when there are better alternatives is like playing =
Russian roulette.
W2K & XP are the path to future (MS & other) operating systems
If the client does not have legacy games, W2K (or even XP) is the way to =
go.
"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:e821bab6.0207171211.173aae3a@posting.google.com...
> LOTS of people have been and still are using ME with no more problems
> than other Windows 9.x OSs. Even XP has problems.
>=20
> John D.
>=20
>=20
> "1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message =
news:<3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>...
> > Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
> >=20
> > I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I =
hadnt even
> > put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good =
enough
> > reason to ditch it.
> >=20
> > What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect =
your
> > advice to customers on the matter..
> >=20
> > Cheers guys.
> >=20
> > Darren
| |
| John D. 2002-07-18, 2:25 am |
| 1. Sorry, Windows ME has been just fine as I stated...that's my
experience as well as some friends who are using it on older computers
that might not run XP.
2. I wasn't talking about business use.
John D.
"JimW" <JimWae-NO-SPAM-NO-Wae@hootmail.com> wrote in message news:<2vlZ8.795$v53.87945@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> MS has withdrawn support for Win95. Win98 & NT4 will be next to go into
> the boundless ether.
> Win95, 98 & ME in an office setting is a security risk many
> budget-minded companies took.
> Any company serious about security uses NT4 or W2K or XP (in MS line)
>
> ME is a dead-end OS that many people have had problems with.
> Recommending ME when there are better alternatives is like playing
> Russian roulette.
>
> W2K & XP are the path to future (MS & other) operating systems
> If the client does not have legacy games, W2K (or even XP) is the way to
> go.
>
>
> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e821bab6.0207171211.173aae3a@posting.google.com...
> > LOTS of people have been and still are using ME with no more problems
> > than other Windows 9.x OSs. Even XP has problems.
> >
> > John D.
> >
> >
> > "1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>...
> > > Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
> > >
> > > I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I
> hadnt even
> > > put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good
> enough
> > > reason to ditch it.
> > >
> > > What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect
> your
> > > advice to customers on the matter..
> > >
> > > Cheers guys.
> > >
> > > Darren
| |
|
| I am sure it works OK for you, but RECOMMENDING it - home or office - is =
another matter
"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:e821bab6.0207172335.5dc98373@posting.google.com...
> 1. Sorry, Windows ME has been just fine as I stated...that's my
> experience as well as some friends who are using it on older computers
> that might not run XP.
>=20
> 2. I wasn't talking about business use.
>=20
> John D.
>=20
>=20
> "JimW" <JimWae-NO-SPAM-NO-Wae@hootmail.com> wrote in message =
news:<2vlZ8.795$v53.87945@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> > MS has withdrawn support for Win95. Win98 & NT4 will be next to go =
into=20
> > the boundless ether.
> > Win95, 98 & ME in an office setting is a security risk many=20
> > budget-minded companies took.
> > Any company serious about security uses NT4 or W2K or XP (in MS =
line)
> >=20
> > ME is a dead-end OS that many people have had problems with.
> > Recommending ME when there are better alternatives is like playing=20
> > Russian roulette.
> >=20
> > W2K & XP are the path to future (MS & other) operating systems
> > If the client does not have legacy games, W2K (or even XP) is the =
way to=20
> > go.
> >=20
> >=20
> > "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message=20
> > news:e821bab6.0207171211.173aae3a@posting.google.com...
> > > LOTS of people have been and still are using ME with no more =
problems
> > > than other Windows 9.x OSs. Even XP has problems.
> > >=20
> > > John D.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > "1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message=20
> > news:<3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>...
> > > > Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
> > > >=20
> > > > I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I=20
> > hadnt even
> > > > put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good=20
> > enough
> > > > reason to ditch it.
> > > >=20
> > > > What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would =
reflect=20
> > your
> > > > advice to customers on the matter..
> > > >=20
> > > > Cheers guys.
> > > >=20
> > > > Darren
| |
| John D. 2002-07-18, 6:25 pm |
| I WOULD recommend it. People should be running the latest OS and for a
9.x computer, it's ME. That's my opinion based on my experience and
that's the way it is. Your opinion based on your experience is
different but it doesn't change my position. I don't even care what
anti-WinME people say.
IF you don't like to hear that -- and that lots of people have had NO
TROUBLE with WinME -- don't read these posts.
I'm not tryng to convince you of anything...it can't be done...so of
course you what you want and I and others will do what we want. We
don't have any beef against ME.
That's all I'll say on the subject...going on with you any further is
a complete waste of time.
John D.
"JimW" <JimWae-NO-SPAM-NO-Wae@hootmail.com> wrote in message news:<TOCZ8.5773$v53.321354@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> I am sure it works OK for you, but RECOMMENDING it - home or office - is
> another matter
>
>
> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e821bab6.0207172335.5dc98373@posting.google.com...
> > 1. Sorry, Windows ME has been just fine as I stated...that's my
> > experience as well as some friends who are using it on older computers
> > that might not run XP.
> >
> > 2. I wasn't talking about business use.
> >
> > John D.
> >
> >
> > "JimW" <JimWae-NO-SPAM-NO-Wae@hootmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<2vlZ8.795$v53.87945@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> > > MS has withdrawn support for Win95. Win98 & NT4 will be next to go
> into
> > > the boundless ether.
> > > Win95, 98 & ME in an office setting is a security risk many
> > > budget-minded companies took.
> > > Any company serious about security uses NT4 or W2K or XP (in MS
> line)
> > >
> > > ME is a dead-end OS that many people have had problems with.
> > > Recommending ME when there are better alternatives is like playing
> > > Russian roulette.
> > >
> > > W2K & XP are the path to future (MS & other) operating systems
> > > If the client does not have legacy games, W2K (or even XP) is the
> way to
> > > go.
> > >
> > >
> > > "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e821bab6.0207171211.173aae3a@posting.google.com...
> > > > LOTS of people have been and still are using ME with no more
> problems
> > > > than other Windows 9.x OSs. Even XP has problems.
> > > >
> > > > John D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>...
> > > > > Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I
> hadnt even
> > > > > put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good
> enough
> > > > > reason to ditch it.
> > > > >
> > > > > What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would
> reflect
> your
> > > > > advice to customers on the matter..
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > Darren
| |
|
| Look, I am a Microsoft guy all the way, but ME has gotta be the worst OS this side of OS/2  | |
| W.F. Peifer 2002-07-18, 8:25 pm |
| "1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@
news.dial.pipex.com...
> Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>
> I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
> put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
> reason to ditch it.
>
> What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
> advice to customers on the matter..
>
We still advise clients who are planning to do a lot of gaming to stay with
98SE. Businesses and home users who don't game we advise Win2K.
Statistically speaking, somewhere around 10% of our clients who have tried
ME (Messed-up Edition, within our shop) love it and have no problems with it
whatsoever. The other 90% had all kinds of problems with ME, hated it and
had us scrub it off their systems.
Based on what we're seeing in the field right now, we've figured out that
the "XP" in Windows XP stands for "Xpect Problems". It's basically like
Win2K, once you get beyond the cartoonish interface. But M$ built a lot of
"I-think-I-know-what-you-want-and-even-if-it's-not-what-you-want-it's-what's
-best-for-you-so-I'm-going-to-do-it-for-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not" code
into it, supposedly giving it a modicum of "intelligence". I've seen it
take it upon itself to repeatedly uninstall a necessary installed printer,
and I've also seen it spontaneously install a network printer that the user
never wanted to use (as many as 14 shared network printers overnight on one
system, with the user home in bed). We tend to stay away from Operating
Systems that have far more control of the user than the user has of the OS.
| |
| LAN Man 2002-07-18, 9:25 pm |
| THIS side of OS/2? What, are you.......Warped? :-)
LAN Man
"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of
strength, not a lack of knowledge, but a lack of will."
~ Vincent Thomas "Vince" Lombardi
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> Look, I am a Microsoft guy all the way, but ME has gotta be the worst OS
> this side of OS/2
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| Tom MacIntyre 2002-07-18, 10:25 pm |
| On 18 Jul 2002 16:52:00 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:
>I WOULD recommend it. People should be running the latest OS and for a
>9.x computer, it's ME. That's my opinion based on my experience and
>that's the way it is. Your opinion based on your experience is
>different but it doesn't change my position. I don't even care what
>anti-WinME people say.
>
>IF you don't like to hear that -- and that lots of people have had NO
>TROUBLE with WinME -- don't read these posts.
>
>I'm not tryng to convince you of anything...it can't be done...so of
>course you what you want and I and others will do what we want. We
>don't have any beef against ME.
>
>That's all I'll say on the subject...going on with you any further is
>a complete waste of time.
>
>John D.
>
You must be a real pleasure to work with...I'm right, and get used to
it, because it'll never change. :-)
Tom
>
>
>"JimW" <JimWae-NO-SPAM-NO-Wae@hootmail.com> wrote in message news:<TOCZ8.5773$v53.321354@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
>> I am sure it works OK for you, but RECOMMENDING it - home or office - is
>> another matter
>>
>>
>> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e821bab6.0207172335.5dc98373@posting.google.com...
>> > 1. Sorry, Windows ME has been just fine as I stated...that's my
>> > experience as well as some friends who are using it on older computers
>> > that might not run XP.
>> >
>> > 2. I wasn't talking about business use.
>> >
>> > John D.
>> >
>> >
>> > "JimW" <JimWae-NO-SPAM-NO-Wae@hootmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:<2vlZ8.795$v53.87945@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
>> > > MS has withdrawn support for Win95. Win98 & NT4 will be next to go
>> into
>> > > the boundless ether.
>> > > Win95, 98 & ME in an office setting is a security risk many
>> > > budget-minded companies took.
>> > > Any company serious about security uses NT4 or W2K or XP (in MS
>> line)
>> > >
>> > > ME is a dead-end OS that many people have had problems with.
>> > > Recommending ME when there are better alternatives is like playing
>> > > Russian roulette.
>> > >
>> > > W2K & XP are the path to future (MS & other) operating systems
>> > > If the client does not have legacy games, W2K (or even XP) is the
>> way to
>> > > go.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:e821bab6.0207171211.173aae3a@posting.google.com...
>> > > > LOTS of people have been and still are using ME with no more
>> problems
>> > > > than other Windows 9.x OSs. Even XP has problems.
>> > > >
>> > > > John D.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "1470" <darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:<3d3558c6$0$8506$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>...
>> > > > > Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I
>> hadnt even
>> > > > > put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good
>> enough
>> > > > > reason to ditch it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would
>> reflect
>> your
>> > > > > advice to customers on the matter..
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers guys.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Darren
| |
| W.F. Peifer 2002-07-20, 1:25 am |
| "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0207181552.6103530a@posting.google.com...
> I WOULD recommend it. People should be running the latest OS and for a
> 9.x computer, it's ME. That's my opinion based on my experience and
> that's the way it is.
And don't confuse you with facts, 'cause your mind is already made up on the
subject!
"People should be running the latest OS"???????? God, M$ must love you.
Shit in a box, and ole John will buy it and convince his clients they need
it too! What a great little pawn!
FYI, "newer" is not always "better". Newer is only newer. Microsoft has a
perfect track record on the DOS side of operating systems . . . their first
cut at a new OS ALWAYS sucks! When 95 first came out, within a month I was
balls-to-the-walls with clients clamoring to get back to 3.1. 95B was a far
better OS than 95A, with 95C marginally better than 95B. Then came 98. No
major improvements over 95B and 95C, but a lot of buggy little quirks.
98SE, on the other hand, has been about as solid as a DOS-based OS can get.
Then came ME first-and-only-edition. Let me know when there's an ME-B or
ME-SE, and it'll probably be worth at least the cost of its packaging. But
that's not about to happen, since M$ has already come out with their newest
"Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread" for home users . . . XP Home. And one
of the reasons that M$ is pushing XP Home as hard as they are is that trying
to support ME is costing them far more than it will ever make them in
profits.
Sure, I've got some clients running ME who're happy with it. Most that have
tried it (by about a 9-1 margin) hated it, for various reasons, and have had
me take them back to 98SE. And there are many others who thank me on a
regular basis for NOT recommending ME for them, having heard dozens of
horror stories from their friends.
My best advice for those who need to advise their clients on a choice of an
OS is something my grandfather taught me about 50 years ago . . . "if it
ain't broke, don't fix it"! I have a client using DOS 5.0 with no GUI. It
works for him. He runs one application on his 486, and it's a DOS
accounting program. It fulfills his every need. Why should he change?
Just because there are newer things out there? I'd consider it patently
unethical to push my clients to "fix what ain't broken". The only reason
for pushing them into unnecessary software would be to inflate my bottom
line a little, but at the expense of my reputation. I put my reputation
first, thank you very much. As for other consultants, I do my best to not
judge them, but I've picked up several clients over the years who've dropped
guys just like you who've cost them bundles in $$$ for software that
actually hurt their productivity . . . including Windows ME.
| |
| skullcracker 2002-07-20, 10:25 am |
| I agree with w.f.
Although I use ME on my system (2years) I definitely don't recommend it
to novice users.. 98SE Is what I generally recommend...As far as upgrading
someones system to XP from a currently good working OS, I don't recommend
it...
If it's not broke...don't fix it ..should be a standard motto...as far as
an OS is concerned...
The other one should be K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)....
All in All it definitely depends on a client's tech savvy...and how often
the client
is gonna wake you up on your day off.. to fix the littlest probs...
--
The Heathen
http://boneheadgrafix.tripod.com
If your a KLEPTOMANIAC...Do You Take Something for it????
| |
| John D. 2002-07-20, 1:25 pm |
| Yes -- thank so much for your insight -- I am right and you are wrong.
I gues you hardly ever encounter people who stand by what they
believe, do you. Of course not. But you sure DO get angry with people
who disagree with you, don't you.
The difference is that you guys are parrots or wildebeasts -- fowl or
animal I don't know which but it doesn't matter since they are are the
boring same -- you think just like the unoriginal majority of your
ilk, the herd/flock of nondescript boring average animals/birds -- one
looks exactly like the other, sounds like another you can't tell them
apart except by sniffing their asses -- you do what other people say
and repeat boring/inaccurate things you've heard them say as if they
are fact, such as something stupid like, "Windows ME sucks." How
trite.
You're very average/common...it's in your nature to be production-line
people. Most of this "great" country is made up of lemmings/followers
like you...that's one big reason America is and has been in a sate of
pathetic decline, despite all the empty-headed "patriotic" flag waving
by "Americans."
But that's ANOTHER topic...for now back to Windows ME...
In MY experience -- Garrick Morris is in a little window in the upper
right corner shouting this for the hearing-challenged (a PC liberal
term for you wimpy apologetic, gay/stone-gay or sympathetic white
"male" liberals or, you short-haired and extremely unattractive
feminists, male or female) here -- Windows ME has been just fine.
All I can do is repeat what I've already said for the record (here and
in the UseNet archives).
Windows ME is no more trouble than any of the other Windows 9.x OSs,
even going back to Win 3.1. Windows ME is only a glorified Windows 98
anyway, chumps...no big differences. Again, that's tough if you don't
like to hear that -- and apparently it makes you rabid so I'm pleased
to rile you easily-manipulated fools up -- but those are MY
experiences and you can't refute that. Frankly, you haven't stated
ANYTHING of value in that regards, just rants. BFD. I'm so impressed.
<Yawn>
I couldn't care less what YOUR experiences are as I couldn't care less
about the herd instinct you all have and therefore what YOU
think...it's the same as what almost everyone ELSE (but not all)
thinks, so I've heard the tired nonsense before.
I am stating MY opinion -- of course -- and that's all that matters
here since this is MY post as were my other posts: I say what I want
and how I want to say it. I also stand by what I said and say here. So
what? What's it to you?
You are free to write your own posts but have no business telling me
what to say or think. If this were a jury situation, all you fools
would probably vote the same herd way -- probably wrong of course --
and I would vote differently, then you'd pressure me to change my
vote. That wouldn't happen and we'd have a mistrial. But that's
natural for you since you're so average.
Again, I am not trying to convince you people of anything here, so why
are you so freaked? I'm writing here to offer the OTHER side of the "I
hate Windows ME" coin so newbies or others can see that not EVERYONE
hates Windows ME, so what's the big deal getting all hyped up! Your
medications wearing off perhaps? Please call your doctors immediately.
Regardless, YOUR poor experiences with Windows ME are not MY good
experiences with Windows ME so I can't agree with you people. Not at
all. But frankly, YOUR opinions don't count for anything anyway.
I hope that's clear enough for you.
Go ahead and rant away, I couldn't care less what you come up
with...average people have average thoughts and average things to say
-- I can't tell you how incredibly BORING that is -- I have no
interest in either. Besides, I'm through toying with you anyway.
Go on telling people Windows ME is crap, I will go on saying it isn't.
There's not a thing you can do about that.
Now, go get your rabies shots...it may just be in time to stop your
frothing at the mouth.
Kindest regards and have a rainbow day. ;-)
John D.
P.S. "Windows ME is just fine. Everyone with an older computer that
won't run Windows XP whould be using the latest Windows 9.x OS and
that is Windows ME."
| |
| Tom MacIntyre 2002-07-20, 3:25 pm |
|
Sometimes the herd is right, and the most verbose statements can be
wrong. ME is prone to corrupted drivers and memory leaks, far more so
than 98SE, and 98, and this view of mine is supported by MY
experience, which you cannot refute, and has nothing to do with
staying with the herd.
Tom
On 20 Jul 2002 11:25:43 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote:
>Yes -- thank so much for your insight -- I am right and you are wrong.
>I gues you hardly ever encounter people who stand by what they
>believe, do you. Of course not. But you sure DO get angry with people
>who disagree with you, don't you.
>
>The difference is that you guys are parrots or wildebeasts -- fowl or
>animal I don't know which but it doesn't matter since they are are the
>boring same -- you think just like the unoriginal majority of your
>ilk, the herd/flock of nondescript boring average animals/birds -- one
>looks exactly like the other, sounds like another you can't tell them
>apart except by sniffing their asses -- you do what other people say
>and repeat boring/inaccurate things you've heard them say as if they
>are fact, such as something stupid like, "Windows ME sucks." How
>trite.
>
>You're very average/common...it's in your nature to be production-line
>people. Most of this "great" country is made up of lemmings/followers
>like you...that's one big reason America is and has been in a sate of
>pathetic decline, despite all the empty-headed "patriotic" flag waving
>by "Americans."
>
>But that's ANOTHER topic...for now back to Windows ME...
>
>In MY experience -- Garrick Morris is in a little window in the upper
>right corner shouting this for the hearing-challenged (a PC liberal
>term for you wimpy apologetic, gay/stone-gay or sympathetic white
>"male" liberals or, you short-haired and extremely unattractive
>feminists, male or female) here -- Windows ME has been just fine.
>
>All I can do is repeat what I've already said for the record (here and
>in the UseNet archives).
>
>Windows ME is no more trouble than any of the other Windows 9.x OSs,
>even going back to Win 3.1. Windows ME is only a glorified Windows 98
>anyway, chumps...no big differences. Again, that's tough if you don't
>like to hear that -- and apparently it makes you rabid so I'm pleased
>to rile you easily-manipulated fools up -- but those are MY
>experiences and you can't refute that. Frankly, you haven't stated
>ANYTHING of value in that regards, just rants. BFD. I'm so impressed.
><Yawn>
>
>I couldn't care less what YOUR experiences are as I couldn't care less
>about the herd instinct you all have and therefore what YOU
>think...it's the same as what almost everyone ELSE (but not all)
>thinks, so I've heard the tired nonsense before.
>
>I am stating MY opinion -- of course -- and that's all that matters
>here since this is MY post as were my other posts: I say what I want
>and how I want to say it. I also stand by what I said and say here. So
>what? What's it to you?
>
>You are free to write your own posts but have no business telling me
>what to say or think. If this were a jury situation, all you fools
>would probably vote the same herd way -- probably wrong of course --
>and I would vote differently, then you'd pressure me to change my
>vote. That wouldn't happen and we'd have a mistrial. But that's
>natural for you since you're so average.
>
>Again, I am not trying to convince you people of anything here, so why
>are you so freaked? I'm writing here to offer the OTHER side of the "I
>hate Windows ME" coin so newbies or others can see that not EVERYONE
>hates Windows ME, so what's the big deal getting all hyped up! Your
>medications wearing off perhaps? Please call your doctors immediately.
>
>Regardless, YOUR poor experiences with Windows ME are not MY good
>experiences with Windows ME so I can't agree with you people. Not at
>all. But frankly, YOUR opinions don't count for anything anyway.
>
>I hope that's clear enough for you.
>
>Go ahead and rant away, I couldn't care less what you come up
>with...average people have average thoughts and average things to say
>-- I can't tell you how incredibly BORING that is -- I have no
>interest in either. Besides, I'm through toying with you anyway.
>
>Go on telling people Windows ME is crap, I will go on saying it isn't.
>There's not a thing you can do about that.
>
>Now, go get your rabies shots...it may just be in time to stop your
>frothing at the mouth.
>
>Kindest regards and have a rainbow day. ;-)
>
>John D.
>
>P.S. "Windows ME is just fine. Everyone with an older computer that
>won't run Windows XP whould be using the latest Windows 9.x OS and
>that is Windows ME."
| |
| W.F. Peifer 2002-07-20, 8:25 pm |
| "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote a whole bunch of nonsense in message
news:e821bab6.0207201025.1b844cca@posting.google.com...
most of which can be boiled down to his calling thousands of IT
professionals, including a sizable portion of Microsoft's own support
personnel, a mindless herd for disagreeing with him.
The problem with his entire train of thought is this: He thinks we are a
"herd" or a "flock" or a bunch of lemmings for examining our own experiences
and coming to a different conclusion than he came to with his (probably very
limited) experiences. I (and a few part-timers working for me) support 47
different clients with well over 1000 PCs (total), spread out over about
4000 square miles in New Mexico. Over the last 2 years I've had 282 trouble
calls on 83 Windows ME systems (had to check my database). In the same time
frame I've had 303 trouble calls on 642 Windows 98SE systems. That's about
3.4 calls per ME system as opposed to a little less than ½ call per system.
Statistically, among MY clients, in MY locale, I can state (and back up)
that ME is 7.2 times more likely to cause a user a problem that he won't be
able to fix without help. I'm not parroting anyone else. I'm not following
the lead of anyone else in this NG. I'm looking at hard historical data,
and judging an OS based on, among other things, its MTBF (that stands for
"Mean Time Between Failures", John)
John D., on the other hand, basically is saying "This is the latest
DOS-based OS that Microsoft has released and Bill Gates says everyone should
buy it. So, I've got to have it. My family members have to have it. My
clients (if he has any) have to have it. And anyone who disagrees with the
basic premise that newer is better . . . well, I'll just call them nasty
names and write them off as mindless sheep."
Who's REALLY the mindless sheep here, John?
Here's my bottom line in all this: If the shepherd (Bill Gates) leads a few
of his flock (like John D.) into a quicksand bog, but the vast majority of
the "herd" is too smart to step into it, I'm actually PROUD to be among the
survivors. John D. can call me what he wants. My clients save money on NOT
purchasing an OS they don't need. They save money on service calls. This
frees me up to grow my business, which isn't hard to do, thanks to my
reputation for NOT trying to sell a customer something he doesn't need.
Bye-bye, John. You've earned a place of honor in my killfile.
| |
| Navin R. Johnson 2002-07-20, 11:25 pm |
| On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:44:21 +0100, "1470"
<darrendilnott@REMOVEyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Just thought i'd like to start a small debate.
>
>I hate it cause it crashed when i had only just installed it. I hadnt even
>put any programs on. On the first proper start. That was a good enough
>reason to ditch it.
>
>What are your guys opinions? These opinions obviously would reflect your
>advice to customers on the matter..
>
>Cheers guys.
>
>Darren
>
Here's how bad it sucks. Go to Google. Search for "Windows ME Sucks". It
finds 194,000 articles. Case closed... Seriously, I completely agree
with W.F. Customers will inevitably ask whether or not they should
upgrade to the latest and greatest O/S. I simply ask them to tell me
about all the problems they're having with their current O/S and also
what they think they'll gain by changing to the new O/S. If they have
some legitimate reasons to upgrade then I'll happily accomodate them.
But, more often than not, they can think of no problems with their
current O/S and the real reason they want to upgrade is because the guy
who lives next store thought it would be a good idea to upgrade.... If
it ain't broke don't fix it...
As for WinME, I think it has some bad memory leaks especially on systems
that are networked. Page faults and BSD's are way too common and it
seems that you're always restarting it for one reason or another.
Although, a lot depends on the programs you run and the hardware you
use. I've tried WinME on three completely different systems of my own
and ended up going back to Win98SE on all of them. And I did take the
time find all the newest WinME drivers and also loaded all available O/S
upgrades before chucking it - mainly due to a problem I had transferring
large files across a network. It would hang both systems fairly often if
I tried to move more than 250-300MB from one ME system to another. When
using Win98SE on the same three systems I honestly cannot think of a
single time there's ever been a network crash of any kind. The bottom
line is that WinME (Version A) simply has more 'issues' that will
generate more panic calls from your customers than Win98SE. That can be
good and that can be bad. Depends on your point of view.
NRJ
| |
| skullcracker 2002-07-21, 10:25 am |
| it is apparent that John D has some serious issues to work out....
the whole "white Liberal herd " thing pretty much proves him out to be
nothing
more than a lone lemming on a soapbox...
Good Luck to ya John D... your gonna need it in this business....
--
The Heathen
http://boneheadgrafix.tripod.com
If your a KLEPTOMANIAC...Do You Take Something for it????
| |
|
| As a seller of several hundred computers with ME and previously 98SE, I
found ME to be no worse.
There is always the customer or especially the non-buying / expert / retard
that has anal retention over anything new.
Xp is by far the best so far on a new system. For a while printers were a
problem until the drivers came out. Now, many new printers and software
packs will not work on anything older than ME.
IF I had an old system with 95, I would upgrade to 98SE and no further.
IF I had 98SE, I would either live with it or buy a new system. (no upgrade
to ME)
If I had NT I would consider Xp (with plenty of preparation).
There is always the exception like many airline scheduling packages actually
require native DOS.
Does anyone wonder what the airlines are good at? Is there anything?
"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0207201025.1b844cca@posting.google.com...
> Yes -- thank so much for your insight -- I am right and you are wrong.
> I gues you hardly ever encounter people who stand by what they
> believe, do you. Of course not. But you sure DO get angry with people
> who disagree with you, don't you.
>
> The difference is that you guys are parrots or wildebeasts -- fowl or
> animal I don't know which but it doesn't matter since they are are the
> boring same -- you think just like the unoriginal majority of your
> ilk, the herd/flock of nondescript boring average animals/birds -- one
> looks exactly like the other, sounds like another you can't tell them
> apart except by sniffing their asses -- you do what other people say
> and repeat boring/inaccurate things you've heard them say as if they
> are fact, such as something stupid like, "Windows ME sucks." How
> trite.
>
> You're very average/common...it's in your nature to be production-line
> people. Most of this "great" country is made up of lemmings/followers
> like you...that's one big reason America is and has been in a sate of
> pathetic decline, despite all the empty-headed "patriotic" flag waving
> by "Americans."
>
> But that's ANOTHER topic...for now back to Windows ME...
>
> In MY experience -- Garrick Morris is in a little window in the upper
> right corner shouting this for the hearing-challenged (a PC liberal
> term for you wimpy apologetic, gay/stone-gay or sympathetic white
> "male" liberals or, you short-haired and extremely unattractive
> feminists, male or female) here -- Windows ME has been just fine.
>
> All I can do is repeat what I've already said for the record (here and
> in the UseNet archives).
>
> Windows ME is no more trouble than any of the other Windows 9.x OSs,
> even going back to Win 3.1. Windows ME is only a glorified Windows 98
> anyway, chumps...no big differences. Again, that's tough if you don't
> like to hear that -- and apparently it makes you rabid so I'm pleased
> to rile you easily-manipulated fools up -- but those are MY
> experiences and you can't refute that. Frankly, you haven't stated
> ANYTHING of value in that regards, just rants. BFD. I'm so impressed.
> <Yawn>
>
> I couldn't care less what YOUR experiences are as I couldn't care less
> about the herd instinct you all have and therefore what YOU
> think...it's the same as what almost everyone ELSE (but not all)
> thinks, so I've heard the tired nonsense before.
>
> I am stating MY opinion -- of course -- and that's all that matters
> here since this is MY post as were my other posts: I say what I want
> and how I want to say it. I also stand by what I said and say here. So
> what? What's it to you?
>
> You are free to write your own posts but have no business telling me
> what to say or think. If this were a jury situation, all you fools
> would probably vote the same herd way -- probably wrong of course --
> and I would vote differently, then you'd pressure me to change my
> vote. That wouldn't happen and we'd have a mistrial. But that's
> natural for you since you're so average.
>
> Again, I am not trying to convince you people of anything here, so why
> are you so freaked? I'm writing here to offer the OTHER side of the "I
> hate Windows ME" coin so newbies or others can see that not EVERYONE
> hates Windows ME, so what's the big deal getting all hyped up! Your
> medications wearing off perhaps? Please call your doctors immediately.
>
> Regardless, YOUR poor experiences with Windows ME are not MY good
> experiences with Windows ME so I can't agree with you people. Not at
> all. But frankly, YOUR opinions don't count for anything anyway.
>
> I hope that's clear enough for you.
>
> Go ahead and rant away, I couldn't care less what you come up
> with...average people have average thoughts and average things to say
> -- I can't tell you how incredibly BORING that is -- I have no
> interest in either. Besides, I'm through toying with you anyway.
>
> Go on telling people Windows ME is crap, I will go on saying it isn't.
> There's not a thing you can do about that.
>
> Now, go get your rabies shots...it may just be in time to stop your
> frothing at the mouth.
>
> Kindest regards and have a rainbow day. ;-)
>
> John D.
>
> P.S. "Windows ME is just fine. Everyone with an older computer that
> won't run Windows XP whould be using the latest Windows 9.x OS and
> that is Windows ME."
| |
| skullcracker 2002-07-22, 11:25 am |
| The airlines are really good at charging you high prices
for shitty service, using the minimal amount of expense
on equipment and labor, to lose your luggage, feed you a 10 cent
bag of peanuts as lunch,yet, get you there without using a
precious barf bag... you know those go for a whole 3 cents...
--
The Heathen
http://boneheadgrafix.tripod.com
If your a KLEPTOMANIAC...Do You Take Something for it????
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