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| JonnieStyle 2002-09-17, 10:28 am |
| Hi guys and gals.
I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
so to speak.
So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
make me go, "Hm."...
--
JonnieStyle
jonniestyle@hotmail.com
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| Steve Bennett 2002-09-17, 10:28 am |
| "JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi guys and gals.
>
>I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
>"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
>those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
>purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
>I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
>more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
>sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
>Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
>business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
>then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
>so to speak.
>
>So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
>three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
>make me go, "Hm."...
I second your hmmm.... I wish the A+ required recertification every
two years or so. I think it would be more valuable. And yes, I am
certified.
Steve Bennett
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| Steve Bennett 2002-09-17, 11:28 am |
| "JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi guys and gals.
>
>I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
>"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
>those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
>purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
>I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
>more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
>sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
>Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
>business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
>then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
>so to speak.
>
>So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
>three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
>make me go, "Hm."...
I second your hmmm.... I wish the A+ required recertification every
two years or so. I think it would be more valuable. And yes, I am
certified.
Steve Bennett
| |
|
| On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:15:30 GMT, Steve Bennett
<bennettsteve@insightbb.com.not> wrote:
>I second your hmmm.... I wish the A+ required recertification every
>two years or so. I think it would be more valuable. And yes, I am
>certified.
Two years is the same interval as a ccie. Granted lifetime membership
is long, but two years is very short...besides, what techs (especially
entry-level techs in a bad economy) do you know out there that have
$200+ to blow every other year on tests?
Five-ten years is not a bad interval for PCs since the fundamental
technology stays the same or at least resonably familiar for a fairly
long amount of time (versus new M$ OSes that are sprouting up every
year).
Dan
| |
|
| On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:15:30 GMT, Steve Bennett
<bennettsteve@insightbb.com.not> wrote:
>I second your hmmm.... I wish the A+ required recertification every
>two years or so. I think it would be more valuable. And yes, I am
>certified.
Two years is the same interval as a ccie. Granted lifetime membership
is long, but two years is very short...besides, what techs (especially
entry-level techs in a bad economy) do you know out there that have
$200+ to blow every other year on tests?
Five-ten years is not a bad interval for PCs since the fundamental
technology stays the same or at least resonably familiar for a fairly
long amount of time (versus new M$ OSes that are sprouting up every
year).
Dan
| |
|
| JonnieStyle wrote:
>
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
No sense taking an ENTRY LEVEL test over and over.
**** Jeff T / Berlin, MD - Note spam deterrent in reply address ****
http://www.dalidesign.com
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|
| JonnieStyle wrote:
>
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
No sense taking an ENTRY LEVEL test over and over.
**** Jeff T / Berlin, MD - Note spam deterrent in reply address ****
http://www.dalidesign.com
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| Tom MacIntyre 2002-09-17, 5:28 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:35:15 GMT, reeejf@ptdd.net (DanS) wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:15:30 GMT, Steve Bennett
><bennettsteve@insightbb.com.not> wrote:
>
>
>>I second your hmmm.... I wish the A+ required recertification every
>>two years or so. I think it would be more valuable. And yes, I am
>>certified.
>
>Two years is the same interval as a ccie. Granted lifetime membership
>is long, but two years is very short...besides, what techs (especially
>entry-level techs in a bad economy) do you know out there that have
>$200+ to blow every other year on tests?
>
>Five-ten years is not a bad interval for PCs since the fundamental
>technology stays the same or at least resonably familiar for a fairly
>long amount of time (versus new M$ OSes that are sprouting up every
>year).
>
>Dan
I'm betwixt and between. Maybe a year/version designation, so that the
age of the certification is obvious, but...
We're getting into certification versus experience again, and there is
the danger that someone who meets the A+ 6-month requirement to a T
will somehow look better than someone who got his/her A+ 5 years ago,
and has been up to his/her elbows in PC repair ever since.
Why should a 6-month level certification ever require
re-certification? How long will it take an old dog to get back up to
speed after say, ten years of experience and 3 years of lack of
action? How much, fundamentally, has the PC changed since the XT/AT?
How much does an experienced technician learn by simply using an
operating system, compared to someone who hasn't the experience? It
varies, but...there should be some greater level of insight in the
veteran compared to the neophyte.
There should be a next-level to the A+. A CCIE-like nasty lab test.
That would be worth recertifying for...
In my senior year in electronics my transmission lines instructor gave
us a lab exam that he called the "pressure cooker"...something like
that would be the ticket. The clock is running, and you have X number
of problems to solve in the prescribed period of time (the TDR is
connected to a cable of unknown length, with an unknown termination.
Find both...etc). That was 1982, and I still remember both the
pressure, and the satisfaction at the end of the test. Worth paying
for... :-)
Tom
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| Tom MacIntyre 2002-09-17, 6:28 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:35:15 GMT, reeejf@ptdd.net (DanS) wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:15:30 GMT, Steve Bennett
><bennettsteve@insightbb.com.not> wrote:
>
>
>>I second your hmmm.... I wish the A+ required recertification every
>>two years or so. I think it would be more valuable. And yes, I am
>>certified.
>
>Two years is the same interval as a ccie. Granted lifetime membership
>is long, but two years is very short...besides, what techs (especially
>entry-level techs in a bad economy) do you know out there that have
>$200+ to blow every other year on tests?
>
>Five-ten years is not a bad interval for PCs since the fundamental
>technology stays the same or at least resonably familiar for a fairly
>long amount of time (versus new M$ OSes that are sprouting up every
>year).
>
>Dan
I'm betwixt and between. Maybe a year/version designation, so that the
age of the certification is obvious, but...
We're getting into certification versus experience again, and there is
the danger that someone who meets the A+ 6-month requirement to a T
will somehow look better than someone who got his/her A+ 5 years ago,
and has been up to his/her elbows in PC repair ever since.
Why should a 6-month level certification ever require
re-certification? How long will it take an old dog to get back up to
speed after say, ten years of experience and 3 years of lack of
action? How much, fundamentally, has the PC changed since the XT/AT?
How much does an experienced technician learn by simply using an
operating system, compared to someone who hasn't the experience? It
varies, but...there should be some greater level of insight in the
veteran compared to the neophyte.
There should be a next-level to the A+. A CCIE-like nasty lab test.
That would be worth recertifying for...
In my senior year in electronics my transmission lines instructor gave
us a lab exam that he called the "pressure cooker"...something like
that would be the ticket. The clock is running, and you have X number
of problems to solve in the prescribed period of time (the TDR is
connected to a cable of unknown length, with an unknown termination.
Find both...etc). That was 1982, and I still remember both the
pressure, and the satisfaction at the end of the test. Worth paying
for... :-)
Tom
| |
| NoBodyInParticular 2002-09-17, 7:28 pm |
| I got mine in March of '96. I'm keeping current, but I'm not about to pay again
to take the test.
JonnieStyle wrote:
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
| |
| NoBodyInParticular 2002-09-17, 8:28 pm |
| I got mine in March of '96. I'm keeping current, but I'm not about to pay again
to take the test.
JonnieStyle wrote:
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
| |
| Bobster123 2002-09-17, 10:28 pm |
| I like the idea of being certified with a year designation (like A+ 2002).
That way, if you want to keep your certification updated (and show it), you
can. If the certification is no longer required or expected in the current job
you're in, you can simply leave it.
On my resume, I show that my Network+ certification is with the 2002
objectives, since the objectives just came out recently and I want to show I'm
up-to-date.
| |
| Bobster123 2002-09-17, 11:28 pm |
| I like the idea of being certified with a year designation (like A+ 2002).
That way, if you want to keep your certification updated (and show it), you
can. If the certification is no longer required or expected in the current job
you're in, you can simply leave it.
On my resume, I show that my Network+ certification is with the 2002
objectives, since the objectives just came out recently and I want to show I'm
up-to-date.
| |
| Russ S 2002-09-17, 11:28 pm |
| Have to agree with Bobster - I like the idea of a dated certification. In
my previous industry I have many times come across senior staff who used
work practices from the '70's and never bothered keeping up with the times.
Usually those people tend to stay in basic positions and rarely attain the
plum jobs.
RussS
A+, Net+
| |
| Russ S 2002-09-18, 12:29 am |
| Have to agree with Bobster - I like the idea of a dated certification. In
my previous industry I have many times come across senior staff who used
work practices from the '70's and never bothered keeping up with the times.
Usually those people tend to stay in basic positions and rarely attain the
plum jobs.
RussS
A+, Net+
| |
|
| I have to agree with Tom, this is an entry level test only. I personally
only got the cert to improve my chances of promotion with my present
company. If it were not for that, I doubt that I would have payed the 200+
dollars to take an entry level exam.
On the other hand, if there was a test that really challenged my skills,
that would be worth it.
Just my .02 cents.
--
Gary Nelson, MCP, A-Plus
www.mastercomputeronline.com
"JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
| |
|
| I have to agree with Tom, this is an entry level test only. I personally
only got the cert to improve my chances of promotion with my present
company. If it were not for that, I doubt that I would have payed the 200+
dollars to take an entry level exam.
On the other hand, if there was a test that really challenged my skills,
that would be worth it.
Just my .02 cents.
--
Gary Nelson, MCP, A-Plus
www.mastercomputeronline.com
"JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
| |
|
| Xref: 127.0.0.1 alt.certification.a-plus:14862
I disagree with the idea of recertification for the A Plus. The A
Plus is designed to simply show the skill set that a 6 month
technician should have. There's just no point in recertifying every 2
years that you have the knowledge set that an entry level tech should
have. Of course you do. Not to mention the fact that lots wouldn't
be able to afford this. And even with companies that footed the cert
costs, I'd say there would be a lot that would balk at $280 every 2
years. Especially those with lots of PC techs that required A Plus.
Not a feasible idea.
The dated certification is a better idea. But really...how much has
the basic skills of doing hardware repair and maintenance changed over
the years? If you know how to fix a PC, you know how to fix a PC.
Drew
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:45:50 GMT, "JonnieStyle"
<jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi guys and gals.
>
>I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
>"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
>those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
>purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
>I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
>more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
>sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
>Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
>business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
>then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
>so to speak.
>
>So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
>three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
>make me go, "Hm."...
| |
|
| Xref: 127.0.0.1 alt.certification.a-plus:14862
I disagree with the idea of recertification for the A Plus. The A
Plus is designed to simply show the skill set that a 6 month
technician should have. There's just no point in recertifying every 2
years that you have the knowledge set that an entry level tech should
have. Of course you do. Not to mention the fact that lots wouldn't
be able to afford this. And even with companies that footed the cert
costs, I'd say there would be a lot that would balk at $280 every 2
years. Especially those with lots of PC techs that required A Plus.
Not a feasible idea.
The dated certification is a better idea. But really...how much has
the basic skills of doing hardware repair and maintenance changed over
the years? If you know how to fix a PC, you know how to fix a PC.
Drew
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:45:50 GMT, "JonnieStyle"
<jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi guys and gals.
>
>I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
>"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
>those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
>purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
>I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to "appear"
>more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
>sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
>Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
>business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
>then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
>so to speak.
>
>So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive for
>three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things that
>make me go, "Hm."...
| |
| Uncle_Albert 2002-09-18, 12:28 pm |
| I agree with drew, all the A+ shows is that you have entry level knowledge,
it by no means implies that you are suddenly a computer expert, so there is
no need to recertify.
==Uncle Albert==
CompTia A+, Net +
"Drew" <drew@drew.com> wrote in message
news:r9ahouc4i704m898op6kl4mjv
aff6ib370@4ax.com...
>
> I disagree with the idea of recertification for the A Plus. The A
> Plus is designed to simply show the skill set that a 6 month
> technician should have. There's just no point in recertifying every 2
> years that you have the knowledge set that an entry level tech should
> have. Of course you do. Not to mention the fact that lots wouldn't
> be able to afford this. And even with companies that footed the cert
> costs, I'd say there would be a lot that would balk at $280 every 2
> years. Especially those with lots of PC techs that required A Plus.
> Not a feasible idea.
>
> The dated certification is a better idea. But really...how much has
> the basic skills of doing hardware repair and maintenance changed over
> the years? If you know how to fix a PC, you know how to fix a PC.
>
>
> Drew
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:45:50 GMT, "JonnieStyle"
> <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi guys and gals.
> >
> >I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> >"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> >those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for
the
> >purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
> >
> >I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> >more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> >sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> >Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> >business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> >then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their
chops",
> >so to speak.
> >
> >So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> >three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> >make me go, "Hm."...
>
| |
| Uncle_Albert 2002-09-18, 1:28 pm |
| I agree with drew, all the A+ shows is that you have entry level knowledge,
it by no means implies that you are suddenly a computer expert, so there is
no need to recertify.
==Uncle Albert==
CompTia A+, Net +
"Drew" <drew@drew.com> wrote in message
news:r9ahouc4i704m898op6kl4mjv
aff6ib370@4ax.com...
>
> I disagree with the idea of recertification for the A Plus. The A
> Plus is designed to simply show the skill set that a 6 month
> technician should have. There's just no point in recertifying every 2
> years that you have the knowledge set that an entry level tech should
> have. Of course you do. Not to mention the fact that lots wouldn't
> be able to afford this. And even with companies that footed the cert
> costs, I'd say there would be a lot that would balk at $280 every 2
> years. Especially those with lots of PC techs that required A Plus.
> Not a feasible idea.
>
> The dated certification is a better idea. But really...how much has
> the basic skills of doing hardware repair and maintenance changed over
> the years? If you know how to fix a PC, you know how to fix a PC.
>
>
> Drew
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:45:50 GMT, "JonnieStyle"
> <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi guys and gals.
> >
> >I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> >"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> >those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for
the
> >purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
> >
> >I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> >more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> >sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> >Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> >business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> >then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their
chops",
> >so to speak.
> >
> >So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> >three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> >make me go, "Hm."...
>
| |
| Richard 2002-09-18, 11:28 pm |
| Consider this: Does the true question revolve around a moving target?
CompTIA must change standards in an effort reflect the current level of
the industry. Since they have certified me, I believe that they uphold the
"moving target" of how a 6-month entry-level A+ tech is defined. Thus, if
the changes in CompTIA's standards are significantly different from a
previously defined standard, then a type of refresher could be offered to
the previously certified. I propose that the refresher contains only the new
material and the cost should be proportionate to volume of change in
standard.
However, I refer to the old analogy of: "Use an army of ants or one elephant
to do the job?"
Is the effort in judgment, labor, and money justified relative to the minor
change in current technology?
[I view CompTIA as doing the judging, labor, and raising money...]
I feel that if a technology jump occurs, such as holography being a viable
and accessible storage medium that replaces hard-drives, then the refresher
concept might be more applicable, if not necessary.
Personally I do not believe that CompTIA should try to "Police" competence,
but instead provide an affordable, vendor neutral, industry standard that
employees and employers can trust. I feel that the true reason
certifications are popular is due to the past differences between employer
expectations of competence and employee competence levels. I feel that
CompTIA does an excellent job of defining useful expectations of a 6-month
A+ tech, and as a result both the employer and the employee benefit. [
no I am not being bribed by CompTIA....  ]
anywho, that is my 2 cents as well....
And I leave with this thought.
If a criterion is defined such that we (employees) may be certified, then
could the same criteria be used to judge on-the-job performance?
-------------------------------------------------------------
I feel that employees are consumers of the workforce, and should be treated
accordingly.
I hope this message serves you all well, for I intended no harm, but do wish
to better all others and myself.
"Tom MacIntyre" <tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8i1foucfkpkm17rdekdqmdn10
36ir19g3k@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:35:15 GMT, reeejf@ptdd.net (DanS) wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:15:30 GMT, Steve Bennett
> ><bennettsteve@insightbb.com.not> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I second your hmmm.... I wish the A+ required recertification every
> >>two years or so. I think it would be more valuable. And yes, I am
> >>certified.
> >
> >Two years is the same interval as a ccie. Granted lifetime membership
> >is long, but two years is very short...besides, what techs (especially
> >entry-level techs in a bad economy) do you know out there that have
> >$200+ to blow every other year on tests?
> >
> >Five-ten years is not a bad interval for PCs since the fundamental
> >technology stays the same or at least resonably familiar for a fairly
> >long amount of time (versus new M$ OSes that are sprouting up every
> >year).
> >
> >Dan
>
> I'm betwixt and between. Maybe a year/version designation, so that the
> age of the certification is obvious, but...
>
> We're getting into certification versus experience again, and there is
> the danger that someone who meets the A+ 6-month requirement to a T
> will somehow look better than someone who got his/her A+ 5 years ago,
> and has been up to his/her elbows in PC repair ever since.
>
> Why should a 6-month level certification ever require
> re-certification? How long will it take an old dog to get back up to
> speed after say, ten years of experience and 3 years of lack of
> action? How much, fundamentally, has the PC changed since the XT/AT?
> How much does an experienced technician learn by simply using an
> operating system, compared to someone who hasn't the experience? It
> varies, but...there should be some greater level of insight in the
> veteran compared to the neophyte.
>
> There should be a next-level to the A+. A CCIE-like nasty lab test.
> That would be worth recertifying for...
>
> In my senior year in electronics my transmission lines instructor gave
> us a lab exam that he called the "pressure cooker"...something like
> that would be the ticket. The clock is running, and you have X number
> of problems to solve in the prescribed period of time (the TDR is
> connected to a cable of unknown length, with an unknown termination.
> Find both...etc). That was 1982, and I still remember both the
> pressure, and the satisfaction at the end of the test. Worth paying
> for... :-)
>
> Tom
| |
| Richard 2002-09-19, 12:29 am |
| Consider this: Does the true question revolve around a moving target?
CompTIA must change standards in an effort reflect the current level of
the industry. Since they have certified me, I believe that they uphold the
"moving target" of how a 6-month entry-level A+ tech is defined. Thus, if
the changes in CompTIA's standards are significantly different from a
previously defined standard, then a type of refresher could be offered to
the previously certified. I propose that the refresher contains only the new
material and the cost should be proportionate to volume of change in
standard.
However, I refer to the old analogy of: "Use an army of ants or one elephant
to do the job?"
Is the effort in judgment, labor, and money justified relative to the minor
change in current technology?
[I view CompTIA as doing the judging, labor, and raising money...]
I feel that if a technology jump occurs, such as holography being a viable
and accessible storage medium that replaces hard-drives, then the refresher
concept might be more applicable, if not necessary.
Personally I do not believe that CompTIA should try to "Police" competence,
but instead provide an affordable, vendor neutral, industry standard that
employees and employers can trust. I feel that the true reason
certifications are popular is due to the past differences between employer
expectations of competence and employee competence levels. I feel that
CompTIA does an excellent job of defining useful expectations of a 6-month
A+ tech, and as a result both the employer and the employee benefit. [
no I am not being bribed by CompTIA.... ]
anywho, that is my 2 cents as well....
And I leave with this thought.
If a criterion is defined such that we (employees) may be certified, then
could the same criteria be used to judge on-the-job performance?
-------------------------------------------------------------
I feel that employees are consumers of the workforce, and should be treated
accordingly.
I hope this message serves you all well, for I intended no harm, but do wish
to better all others and myself.
"Tom MacIntyre" <tom__macintyre@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8i1foucfkpkm17rdekdqmdn10
36ir19g3k@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:35:15 GMT, reeejf@ptdd.net (DanS) wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:15:30 GMT, Steve Bennett
> ><bennettsteve@insightbb.com.not> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I second your hmmm.... I wish the A+ required recertification every
> >>two years or so. I think it would be more valuable. And yes, I am
> >>certified.
> >
> >Two years is the same interval as a ccie. Granted lifetime membership
> >is long, but two years is very short...besides, what techs (especially
> >entry-level techs in a bad economy) do you know out there that have
> >$200+ to blow every other year on tests?
> >
> >Five-ten years is not a bad interval for PCs since the fundamental
> >technology stays the same or at least resonably familiar for a fairly
> >long amount of time (versus new M$ OSes that are sprouting up every
> >year).
> >
> >Dan
>
> I'm betwixt and between. Maybe a year/version designation, so that the
> age of the certification is obvious, but...
>
> We're getting into certification versus experience again, and there is
> the danger that someone who meets the A+ 6-month requirement to a T
> will somehow look better than someone who got his/her A+ 5 years ago,
> and has been up to his/her elbows in PC repair ever since.
>
> Why should a 6-month level certification ever require
> re-certification? How long will it take an old dog to get back up to
> speed after say, ten years of experience and 3 years of lack of
> action? How much, fundamentally, has the PC changed since the XT/AT?
> How much does an experienced technician learn by simply using an
> operating system, compared to someone who hasn't the experience? It
> varies, but...there should be some greater level of insight in the
> veteran compared to the neophyte.
>
> There should be a next-level to the A+. A CCIE-like nasty lab test.
> That would be worth recertifying for...
>
> In my senior year in electronics my transmission lines instructor gave
> us a lab exam that he called the "pressure cooker"...something like
> that would be the ticket. The clock is running, and you have X number
> of problems to solve in the prescribed period of time (the TDR is
> connected to a cable of unknown length, with an unknown termination.
> Find both...etc). That was 1982, and I still remember both the
> pressure, and the satisfaction at the end of the test. Worth paying
> for... :-)
>
> Tom
| |
|
| I believe another tests once every couple years would be good. I would not
want to have to for it over and over though. A free refresher test some
trivial amount, maybe $10-$20 and I would be willing to do that to weed out
some of the people who were not keeping up to date with the field.
"JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
| |
|
| I believe another tests once every couple years would be good. I would not
want to have to for it over and over though. A free refresher test some
trivial amount, maybe $10-$20 and I would be willing to do that to weed out
some of the people who were not keeping up to date with the field.
"JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
| |
| NoBodyInParticular 2002-09-21, 8:28 am |
| As long as you are working in the industry you should stay current. An
attorney isn't required to pass the bar exam every five years, but you'd be a
fool to use one who hasn't practiced in twenty years.
Adam wrote:
> I believe another tests once every couple years would be good. I would not
> want to have to for it over and over though. A free refresher test some
> trivial amount, maybe $10-$20 and I would be willing to do that to weed out
> some of the people who were not keeping up to date with the field.
> "JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
>
>>Hi guys and gals.
>>
>>I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
>>"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
>>those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
>>purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>>
>>I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
>
> "appear"
>
>>more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
>>sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
>>Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
>>business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
>>then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
>>so to speak.
>>
>>So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
>
> for
>
>>three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
>
> that
>
>>make me go, "Hm."...
>>
>>--
>>JonnieStyle
>>jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
| |
| NoBodyInParticular 2002-09-21, 9:28 am |
| As long as you are working in the industry you should stay current. An
attorney isn't required to pass the bar exam every five years, but you'd be a
fool to use one who hasn't practiced in twenty years.
Adam wrote:
> I believe another tests once every couple years would be good. I would not
> want to have to for it over and over though. A free refresher test some
> trivial amount, maybe $10-$20 and I would be willing to do that to weed out
> some of the people who were not keeping up to date with the field.
> "JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
>
>>Hi guys and gals.
>>
>>I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
>>"once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
>>those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
>>purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>>
>>I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
>
> "appear"
>
>>more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
>>sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
>>Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
>>business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
>>then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
>>so to speak.
>>
>>So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
>
> for
>
>>three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
>
> that
>
>>make me go, "Hm."...
>>
>>--
>>JonnieStyle
>>jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
| |
|
|
"NoBodyInParticular" <goofy@goofball.net> wrote in message
news:3D8C7983.5000006@goofball.net...
> As long as you are working in the industry you should stay current. An
> attorney isn't required to pass the bar exam every five years, but you'd
be a
> fool to use one who hasn't practiced in twenty years.
Actually attorneys have to take Continuing Professional Education courses.
That would be a good idea for A+ maybe in the future. There is one major
difference. Attorneys, doctors and CPAs are self regulating. While that
wouldn't be a bad idea for technicians I don't see it happening any time
soon.
AG
| |
|
|
"NoBodyInParticular" <goofy@goofball.net> wrote in message
news:3D8C7983.5000006@goofball.net...
> As long as you are working in the industry you should stay current. An
> attorney isn't required to pass the bar exam every five years, but you'd
be a
> fool to use one who hasn't practiced in twenty years.
Actually attorneys have to take Continuing Professional Education courses.
That would be a good idea for A+ maybe in the future. There is one major
difference. Attorneys, doctors and CPAs are self regulating. While that
wouldn't be a bad idea for technicians I don't see it happening any time
soon.
AG
| |
|
| I don't see the point of re-certification. If your in the industry then it
should follow that you'll stay up to date with the lastest technologies etc.
"JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
| |
|
| I don't see the point of re-certification. If your in the industry then it
should follow that you'll stay up to date with the lastest technologies etc.
"JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
| |
|
| I think that once you've got the knowledge base burned into your brain, even
if you don't use it for a few years, re-learning it isn't all that
complicated or time-consuming. Hey, I passed my A+ exams, but I also keep my
A+ All-In-One on my desk in case I need to look something up; much of the
time it's not what you immediately know, but knowing where to look to find
what you need that matters. Having that in-depth exposure to the A+ source
material will better enable a tech to figure out where to look for an
answer.
Just my humble opinion.
--Will
P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
begin with.
"Neo" <jamo1969@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news QKk9.4791$b5.460322@news02.tsnz.net...
> I don't see the point of re-certification. If your in the industry then it
> should follow that you'll stay up to date with the lastest technologies
etc.
>
>
>
>
> "JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > Hi guys and gals.
> >
> > I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> > "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> > those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for
the
> > purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
> >
> > I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
> "appear"
> > more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> > sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> > Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> > business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert,
and
> > then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their
chops",
> > so to speak.
> >
> > So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
> for
> > three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
> that
> > make me go, "Hm."...
> >
> > --
> > JonnieStyle
> > jonniestyle@hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
| |
|
| I think that once you've got the knowledge base burned into your brain, even
if you don't use it for a few years, re-learning it isn't all that
complicated or time-consuming. Hey, I passed my A+ exams, but I also keep my
A+ All-In-One on my desk in case I need to look something up; much of the
time it's not what you immediately know, but knowing where to look to find
what you need that matters. Having that in-depth exposure to the A+ source
material will better enable a tech to figure out where to look for an
answer.
Just my humble opinion.
--Will
P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
begin with.
"Neo" <jamo1969@hotmail.com> wrote in message
newsQKk9.4791$b5.460322@news02.tsnz.net...
> I don't see the point of re-certification. If your in the industry then it
> should follow that you'll stay up to date with the lastest technologies
etc.
>
>
>
>
> "JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > Hi guys and gals.
> >
> > I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> > "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> > those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for
the
> > purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
> >
> > I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
> "appear"
> > more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> > sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> > Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> > business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert,
and
> > then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their
chops",
> > so to speak.
> >
> > So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
> for
> > three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
> that
> > make me go, "Hm."...
> >
> > --
> > JonnieStyle
> > jonniestyle@hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
| |
|
|
"Will" <galen.gray@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RwNk9.9397$va2.3546@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
> call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
> graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
> when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
> particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
> begin with.
And a good thing too as I know I wouldn't want to or have the interest in
getting my music degree again.
If I were starting from scratch now I would study networking.
AG
| |
|
|
"Will" <galen.gray@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RwNk9.9397$va2.3546@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
> call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
> graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
> when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
> particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
> begin with.
And a good thing too as I know I wouldn't want to or have the interest in
getting my music degree again.
If I were starting from scratch now I would study networking.
AG
| |
| Tom MacIntyre 2002-09-26, 10:29 pm |
| On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:31:33 -0500, "AG" <atenor@up-link.net> wrote:
>
>"Will" <galen.gray@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:RwNk9.9397$va2.3546@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>> P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
>> call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
>> graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
>> when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
>> particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
>> begin with.
>
>And a good thing too as I know I wouldn't want to or have the interest in
>getting my music degree again.
>If I were starting from scratch now I would study networking.
>AG
>
I have a BA in Music from the late 70's and a diploma in electronics
engineering technology from the early 80's. I have forgotten a lot,
but can still approach either subject area with a reasonable amount of
confidence.
Of course, the big factor here is that I spent 20+ years around
electronics and related, and played music reasonably seriously for
almost 30. I didn't just get these pieces of paper and walk away from
the field.
Starting from scratch now?...electronics again, with a specialization
year in applied electronics (IT), or a second separate degree/diploma
in IT technology...possibly in reverse order. I still love
electronics, and I always will, I hope.
Tom
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| Tom MacIntyre 2002-09-26, 11:29 pm |
| On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:31:33 -0500, "AG" <atenor@up-link.net> wrote:
>
>"Will" <galen.gray@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:RwNk9.9397$va2.3546@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>> P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
>> call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
>> graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
>> when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
>> particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
>> begin with.
>
>And a good thing too as I know I wouldn't want to or have the interest in
>getting my music degree again.
>If I were starting from scratch now I would study networking.
>AG
>
I have a BA in Music from the late 70's and a diploma in electronics
engineering technology from the early 80's. I have forgotten a lot,
but can still approach either subject area with a reasonable amount of
confidence.
Of course, the big factor here is that I spent 20+ years around
electronics and related, and played music reasonably seriously for
almost 30. I didn't just get these pieces of paper and walk away from
the field.
Starting from scratch now?...electronics again, with a specialization
year in applied electronics (IT), or a second separate degree/diploma
in IT technology...possibly in reverse order. I still love
electronics, and I always will, I hope.
Tom
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Nah...its pointless for the A Plus. The A Plus is simply designed to
certify the equivalent of 6 months on the job work as a computer tech.
Its foolish to recertify that every 1, 2 or whatever years. If you
know how to format a hard drive, you'll know how to format a hard
drive.
The A Plus isn't designed to say you are a computer expert..simply
that you have the qualifying knowledge to service a PC. To recertify
this so often is utter nonsense.
Drew
On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:15:11 -0500, "AG" <atenor@up-link.net> wrote:
>
>"NoBodyInParticular" <goofy@goofball.net> wrote in message
>news:3D8C7983.5000006@goofball.net...
>> As long as you are working in the industry you should stay current. An
>> attorney isn't required to pass the bar exam every five years, but you'd
>be a
>> fool to use one who hasn't practiced in twenty years.
>
>
>Actually attorneys have to take Continuing Professional Education courses.
>That would be a good idea for A+ maybe in the future. There is one major
>difference. Attorneys, doctors and CPAs are self regulating. While that
>wouldn't be a bad idea for technicians I don't see it happening any time
>soon.
>AG
>
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| I don't see the point of re-certification. If your in the industry then it
should follow that you'll stay up to date with the lastest technologies etc.
"JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> Hi guys and gals.
>
> I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for the
> purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
>
> I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
"appear"
> more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert, and
> then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their chops",
> so to speak.
>
> So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
for
> three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
that
> make me go, "Hm."...
>
> --
> JonnieStyle
> jonniestyle@hotmail.com
>
>
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| I think that once you've got the knowledge base burned into your brain, even
if you don't use it for a few years, re-learning it isn't all that
complicated or time-consuming. Hey, I passed my A+ exams, but I also keep my
A+ All-In-One on my desk in case I need to look something up; much of the
time it's not what you immediately know, but knowing where to look to find
what you need that matters. Having that in-depth exposure to the A+ source
material will better enable a tech to figure out where to look for an
answer.
Just my humble opinion.
--Will
P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
begin with.
"Neo" <jamo1969@hotmail.com> wrote in message
newsQKk9.4791$b5.460322@news02.tsnz.net...
> I don't see the point of re-certification. If your in the industry then it
> should follow that you'll stay up to date with the lastest technologies
etc.
>
>
>
>
> "JonnieStyle" <jonniestyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:yeHh9.5901$Zk4.177374@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > Hi guys and gals.
> >
> > I'm curious to know what A+ techs *themselves* think about the fact that
> > "once you're A+, you're A+ for life". I'm not really interested in what
> > those who don't have the certification think. Not to be rude, but for
the
> > purpose of this post - it's an INSIDERS poll...
> >
> > I myself got my certification on July 26, 2000. I mainly got it to
> "appear"
> > more professional with my computer repair company. I also got it out of
> > sheer curiousity (I wonder if I can pass, I wonder how hard it is...)
> > Now I've been keeping up with computers and I my building and repair
> > business continues on, but I'm sure there are those who get the cert,
and
> > then lose interest in computers and repair, and really "lose their
chops",
> > so to speak.
> >
> > So a guy or girl who hasn't fixed a computer, or formatted a hard drive
> for
> > three years is still officially certified. That's one of those things
> that
> > make me go, "Hm."...
> >
> > --
> > JonnieStyle
> > jonniestyle@hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
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"Will" <galen.gray@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RwNk9.9397$va2.3546@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
> call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
> graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
> when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
> particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
> begin with.
And a good thing too as I know I wouldn't want to or have the interest in
getting my music degree again.
If I were starting from scratch now I would study networking.
AG
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| Tom MacIntyre 2002-10-30, 6:24 pm |
| On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:31:33 -0500, "AG" <atenor@up-link.net> wrote:
>
>"Will" <galen.gray@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:RwNk9.9397$va2.3546@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>> P.S. Nobody makes college graduates "re-certify", or whatever you want to
>> call it, either; their degrees are valid for life, regardless that the
>> graduate in question may not remember much of what they learned way back
>> when, but chances are that if they needed to refresh their brains on a
>> particular topic it wouldn't take nearly as long as it took to learn it to
>> begin with.
>
>And a good thing too as I know I wouldn't want to or have the interest in
>getting my music degree again.
>If I were starting from scratch now I would study networking.
>AG
>
I have a BA in Music from the late 70's and a diploma in electronics
engineering technology from the early 80's. I have forgotten a lot,
but can still approach either subject area with a reasonable amount of
confidence.
Of course, the big factor here is that I spent 20+ years around
electronics and related, and played music reasonably seriously for
almost 30. I didn't just get these pieces of paper and walk away from
the field.
Starting from scratch now?...electronics again, with a specialization
year in applied electronics (IT), or a second separate degree/diploma
in IT technology...possibly in reverse order. I still love
electronics, and I always will, I hope.
Tom
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