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BootCamps Is It Worth It?
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| smith@msn.com 2004-02-21, 4:23 pm |
| Question?
Is it worth to take attend a MCSD.NET boot camp?
I appreciate any insight
Steven
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-02-21, 6:23 pm |
| >Is it worth to take attend a MCSD.NET boot camp?
If you work with the product, there is certainly no need to attend any
sort of training (let those 'bootcamps') in order to pass these type
of exams. The prep guide and msdn are all you need.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| smith@msn.com 2004-02-22, 6:23 pm |
| Well, think I going to do it.
To get all done in 14 days would be a good boost to my resume at this point.
Steven
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-02-22, 7:23 pm |
| >Well, think I going to do it.
As long as you're not paying for it.
>To get all done in 14 days would be a good boost to my resume at this point.
Don't count on it.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| smith@msn.com 2004-02-22, 11:24 pm |
| so what is the MCSD POINT?
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| smith@msn.com wrote:
> Well, think I going to do it.
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> To get all done in 14 days would be a good boost to my resume at this
> point.
>
> Steven
I have a real problem with anyone is telling you 14 days is the right
timeframe to get MCSD starting from scratch!
Surely you can tell that this is either illegal, or deceitful.
On the other hand, 14 weeks might be more realistic. Assuming you have
at least 40 hours of training a week.
If you're studying on a parttime basis, then 14 weeks would be right
for 1 test.
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-02-23, 6:24 pm |
| >so what is the MCSD POINT?
Take a look around at all the scams, the brain dumps and cheats that
thrive on making money out of the ms certification process. Ask
yourself this question: - When point is a 'certification' if the
certification does prove the holder is actual worthy of the title?
This is why most company don't give a damn about microsoft
certifications.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| smith@msn.com 2004-02-24, 5:24 pm |
| I have been working with the .NET Framework on my own for a year. Pretty
much all of my training has come from the world of hard knocks (Me banging
my head against the table).
And lets be practical, working (40-60 hours) and finding time to study for
exams that don't necessarily match the real world can be tough.
Yes, it is expensive but the compression of time and gaining the credentials
has its appeal.
Now some would say the real world experience is what companies are looking
for, but I have more than 9 years experience and no college degree. The
current employment market is employers' market.
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| smith@msn.com wrote:
> I have been working with the .NET Framework on my own for a year.
> Pretty much all of my training has come from the world of hard knocks
> (Me banging my head against the table).
>
> And lets be practical, working (40-60 hours) and finding time to
> study for exams that don't necessarily match the real world can be
> tough.
>
> Yes, it is expensive but the compression of time and gaining the
> credentials has its appeal.
>
> Now some would say the real world experience is what companies are
> looking for, but I have more than 9 years experience and no college
> degree. The current employment market is employers' market.
I'm not against you taking this class, but I want you to be careful so
you don't waste your money with a dumpy school that makes a lot of
empty promises and charges you a lot of money.
Please do some checking of other schools. I don't know of ANY school in
today's .NET world of developer testing that will promise that you'll
pass with only 14 days of training. The tests are harder now than they
used to be, and reputable schools don't want to give you false hopes.
Certainly, no school recommended by Microsoft (or partnered with them)
will ever make a promise like this!
I definitely agree with Boot Camps in general! I always recommend that
people take these if they can afford it. But please do more checking
before you settle on one specific school. Don't get swindled.
Eric
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| smith@msn.com 2004-02-26, 2:24 pm |
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I appreciate the advice Eric.
I give you an update after March 15th
Steven
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| smith@msn.com 2004-03-16, 11:24 pm |
| As the person who started this thread I want to update everyone on the
results.
I have passed all 5 tests. MCP MCAD.NET and MCSD.NET
The boot camp helped me on understanding what Microsoft is looking for
particularly the 70-300.
I do agree that some of the certifications provided do not prove that the
person is capable of doing the job. The idea of formal education being the
key to success is skewed thought. It only shows a person can succeed in a
structured environment. The real world is not structured and application
development requires an agile approach.
I have 9 years of programming experience and making the time to study for
any certification is difficult. I learned a great deal that I will be using
on my next project.
Steven
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-17, 3:24 am |
| >I have passed all 5 tests. MCP MCAD.NET and MCSD.NET
I passed all five tests without the need for bootcamps; everyone to
their own. If you feel got something else, other than a worthless
microsoft title, that's great.
>The boot camp helped me on understanding what Microsoft is looking for
>particularly the 70-300.
My everyday experiences tell me exactly what microsoft want from
70-300. It 'should' be easiest exam for an IT professional to take.
>I do agree that some of the certifications provided do not prove that the
>person is capable of doing the job.
Thanks to brain dumps & other types of cheating, you're correct. Makes
you real proud to have numerous ms certs which have become almost
worthless.
>The idea of formal education being the
>key to success is skewed thought. It only shows a person can succeed in a
>structured environment.
Crap.
A formal education is what gets you started. Someone with Bsc or Msc
stands out from someone who don't.
It's always been hard to get into IT, and even more so now. Someone
looking to get into IT has almost no chance without a descent
educational back ground, no matter who many ms exams they have.
>The real world is not structured and application
>development requires an agile approach.
The 'real world' is [very] structured. If what you really mean is that
IT within an organizational structure is chaotic, I agree. However
this is born out of incompetence, and need not be the case,
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| smith@msn.com 2004-03-17, 9:24 pm |
| Kline,
I have no idea of you background or experience, but the attitude you express
is a self-centered and elitists attitude. The real world fun place to live
and you should look around smell the leaving jobs.
Steven
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| smith@msn.com wrote:
> Kline,
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> I have no idea of you background or experience, but the attitude you
> express is a self-centered and elitists attitude. The real world fun
> place to live and you should look around smell the leaving jobs.
>
> Steven
Kline has a little bit of an attitude, but he seems pretty wise in the
ways of the world.
Is there something he said that you disagree with? We can discuss the
issues, but we're all entitled to have our own point of view.
Eric
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-18, 3:24 pm |
| >I have no idea of you background or experience, but the attitude you express
>is a self-centered and elitists attitude. The real world fun place to live
>and you should look around smell the leaving jobs.
Steven, so as to avoid misunderstandings, you really should check your
grammar before attempting to put you're point of view across to
others.
Anyway, my remarks are based on common sense and are factually
correct. As far as being 'elitists', well I am, and you are therefore
correct is your assumption.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-18, 4:24 pm |
| >Kline has a little bit of an attitude, but he seems pretty wise in the
>ways of the world.
YOU KNOW YOU DAMN RIGHT!!!
>Is there something he said that you disagree with? We can discuss the
>issues, but we're all entitled to have our own point of view.
Exactly.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| newsgroup user 2004-03-18, 4:24 pm |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere wrote:
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> Steven, so as to avoid misunderstandings, you really should check your
> grammar before attempting to put you're point of view across to
> others.
You just broke my irony meter.
--
Fris "Find the grammatical error" beeŽ, MCNGP #13
Certaholics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-18, 4:24 pm |
| >You just broke my irony meter.
lol!
I don't know how I had the balls the post that!!!!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| DalePres 2004-03-18, 8:25 pm |
| Contratulations!!! There's nothing wrong at all with how you got it. I'd
do it myself if I had the money.
<smith@msn.com> wrote in message
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> As the person who started this thread I want to update everyone on the
> results.
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> I have passed all 5 tests. MCP MCAD.NET and MCSD.NET
>
> The boot camp helped me on understanding what Microsoft is looking for
> particularly the 70-300.
>
> I do agree that some of the certifications provided do not prove that the
> person is capable of doing the job. The idea of formal education being
the
> key to success is skewed thought. It only shows a person can succeed in a
> structured environment. The real world is not structured and application
> development requires an agile approach.
>
> I have 9 years of programming experience and making the time to study for
> any certification is difficult. I learned a great deal that I will be
using
> on my next project.
>
> Steven
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