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| Brunswick Lowe 2004-01-24, 5:24 pm |
| Just curious about how long most folks that use legit study materials prepare for VB.NET exams? (Not counting the countless years of experience that led you to become an expert programmer ;-)).
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| Hermit Dave 2004-01-24, 5:24 pm |
| depends on the cert you are planning to give...okay i will make a confession...
gave my asp.net with c# in early part of jan.
all i read for that exam was "Essential ASP.NET".
Okay transcender did show me that i was really awful at deployment. so have to read that up..
in all i would say about a fortnight's worth...
though i have been using on asp.net for over 6 months now..
since it was all legit... and since i didnot put much of an effort in it. i only scored bout 811
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Regards,
HD
Once a Geek.... Always a Geek
"Brunswick Lowe" <brunswick@apstrategies.com> wrote in message news:eB64SOs4DHA.2428@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
Just curious about how long most folks that use legit study materials prepare for VB.NET exams? (Not counting the countless years of experience that led you to become an expert programmer ;-)).
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| Mike Grasso 2004-01-26, 4:24 pm |
| I've been using Que's books and MeasureUp exams. So far, I'm
averaging about 4 months per exam. Of course, I do have a full time
job, a fiancee, and I'm training for a triathlon. I only get to study
during my lunch hour and maybe 5 hours per week at night. I've seen
posts where people study for two weeks, and I just have to wonder if
they have more hours in a day that I do.
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| General Protection Fault 2004-01-26, 4:24 pm |
| Mike Grasso wrote:
> I've been using Que's books and MeasureUp exams. So far, I'm
> averaging about 4 months per exam. Of course, I do have a full time
> job, a fiancee, and I'm training for a triathlon. I only get to study
> during my lunch hour and maybe 5 hours per week at night. I've seen
> posts where people study for two weeks, and I just have to wonder if
> they have more hours in a day that I do.
I studied during my lunch hour and an hour per night and it took me 3
weeks per exam, more or less.
I use the .NET product... do you? That makes a difference.
Between 315, 316 and 320, there is a lot of overlap. Studying for the
first exam takes longer than the other two.
Now, studying for 300 or 229, that's another matter.
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| =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= 2004-01-26, 4:24 pm |
| Mike Grasso wrote:
> I've been using Que's books and MeasureUp exams. So far, I'm
> averaging about 4 months per exam. Of course, I do have a full time
> job, a fiancee, and I'm training for a triathlon. I only get to study
> during my lunch hour and maybe 5 hours per week at night. I've seen
> posts where people study for two weeks, and I just have to wonder if
> they have more hours in a day that I do.
Feh... wait until you get married.
Then wait until you have kids.
You'll miss all the free time you USED to have.
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| Hermit Dave 2004-01-26, 4:24 pm |
| For 315
2 hours or so per night... when i was not coding or on newsgroups. ( around
4 on weekends)
have been using visual studio for over 6 months now.. and had gone a great
deal of asp.net programming as well.
for that reason, i just wanted to clear idea on how things work internally.
(Essential ASP.NET.. never needed to read beyond code snippets)
never tried using books explicitly for exams... i generally go for Inside
series. Though with Don Box writing on Addison Wesley, i have started buy a
great deal of Essential Series books as well.
229 did take me a while when i gave it in 2002 reason being i know the kinda
questions that come and you need to know a great deal about how things work
so a good understanding of system is important.. I would give 229 close to a
months time max. (though i started using sql 2000 from 2000 onwards, i
actually got around to giving the exam in 2002)
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Regards,
HD
Once a Geek.... Always a Geek
"General Protection Fault" <generalpf@nospam.yahoo.reallynospam.com> wrote
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> Mike Grasso wrote:
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> I studied during my lunch hour and an hour per night and it took me 3
> weeks per exam, more or less.
>
> I use the .NET product... do you? That makes a difference.
>
> Between 315, 316 and 320, there is a lot of overlap. Studying for the
> first exam takes longer than the other two.
>
> Now, studying for 300 or 229, that's another matter.
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| Brunswick Lowe 2004-01-26, 5:24 pm |
| Thanks. I was really just curious. I took about 3 weeks/exam for 70-300, 305 and 306. I feel certain that 310 and 229 will take longer. Most of my DB experience is in MySQL, so 229 will be a challenge. 310's probably going to be the hardest for me out of all of them.
I found the best way to mix parenting, job, life and test taking is by getting up before the rest of the world. But I'm not training for a tri. Maybe next year!
"Brunswick Lowe" <brunswick@apstrategies.com> wrote in message news:eB64SOs4DHA.2428@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
Just curious about how long most folks that use legit study materials prepare for VB.NET exams? (Not counting the countless years of experience that led you to become an expert programmer ;-)).
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| Mike Grasso 2004-01-26, 11:24 pm |
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>
> I use the .NET product... do you? That makes a difference.
Yeah, I've been doing heavy C# for about 18 months now. I'm using Kalani's
books (1000 pages) and I'm actually reading everything. I'm doing this to
learn as much as I can about .NET. I'm not going to get any kind of raise
or promotion when I get my certification and I don't plan on leaving my
job, so I'm not in a rush.
The one thing I didn't mention before that takes away from my study time is
that g-d d-mn Playstation!
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| Lorne Smith 2004-01-27, 6:24 am |
| I couldn't agree more! Free time? What's that then? 
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> Feh... wait until you get married.
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> Then wait until you have kids.
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> You'll miss all the free time you USED to have.
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> --
> Fris "carpe diem" beeŽ MCNGP #13
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> http://www.mcngp.tk
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
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| Brunswick Lowe 2004-01-27, 8:24 am |
| Glad I'm not the only one that noticed a serious pinch in my time when
starting the whole cert process. My wife's been extremely
understanding/supportive. Ultimately, it requires more out of her,
especially when I'm held up in the office with my nose in the books.
I always wanted to try a tri, but never could find the time to train. I
really don't see how you do it. I can't fathom what time I'd have to get up
to do that and work on the cert.
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> Yeah, I've been doing heavy C# for about 18 months now. I'm using
Kalani's
> books (1000 pages) and I'm actually reading everything. I'm doing this to
> learn as much as I can about .NET. I'm not going to get any kind of raise
> or promotion when I get my certification and I don't plan on leaving my
> job, so I'm not in a rush.
>
> The one thing I didn't mention before that takes away from my study time
is
> that g-d d-mn Playstation!
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| General Protection Fault 2004-01-27, 10:24 am |
| FrisbeeŽ MCNGP wrote:
> Mike Grasso wrote:
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> Feh... wait until you get married.
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> Then wait until you have kids.
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> You'll miss all the free time you USED to have.
I have a wife and 2-year old and I still found the time.
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| General Protection Fault 2004-01-27, 10:24 am |
| Brunswick Lowe wrote:
> Thanks. I was really just curious. I took about 3 weeks/exam for 70-300,
> 305 and 306. I feel certain that 310 and 229 will take longer. Most of
> my DB experience is in MySQL, so 229 will be a challenge. 310's probably
> going to be the hardest for me out of all of them.
No kidding. MySQL is a piece of crap. What's a subselect?
Transactions? What're those?
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| Brunswick Lowe 2004-01-27, 11:24 am |
| Why do you think I'm moving into SQL2K?
(it does transactions, just not so easily)
"General Protection Fault" <generalpf@nospam.yahoo.reallynospam.com> wrote
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> Brunswick Lowe wrote:
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> No kidding. MySQL is a piece of crap. What's a subselect?
> Transactions? What're those?
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| =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= 2004-01-27, 11:24 am |
| General Protection Fault wrote:
> FrisbeeŽ MCNGP wrote:
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> I have a wife and 2-year old and I still found the time.
I had a wife and TWO 2-year-olds (and a teenage step son) when I took my
70-210 and still found the time.
My point still remains, though... I USED to play disc golf, and have other
recreational type activities B.F. (Before Family)
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MCNGP #13
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-27, 11:24 am |
| >No kidding. MySQL is a piece of crap. What's a subselect?
>Transactions? What're those?
lol!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-27, 11:24 am |
| >(it does transactions, just not so easily)
Ha! Ha! in 20 user environment, maybe!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| General Protection Fault 2004-01-27, 12:24 pm |
| Brunswick Lowe wrote:
> Why do you think I'm moving into SQL2K?
Sorry Microsoft, but you should try postgresql first.
> (it does transactions, just not so easily)
Yeah, if you use innodb, but then it slows down and has a crappy locking
mechanism.
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| Brunswick Lowe 2004-01-27, 1:24 pm |
| What can I say, I outgrew it.
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> Ha! Ha! in 20 user environment, maybe!
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> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| Brunswick Lowe 2004-01-27, 2:24 pm |
| Yeah, the one important factor I forgot to mention is cost.
Fact of the matter is a good developer should use the appropriate tool for
the job. If you're developing for a small biz that has no need for
transactions and cost is a big factor, I'd say MySQL cuts the mustard. Never
failed me. Recommending SQL2K for some of those apps would have been like
recommending a Mack Truck as a can crusher. Postgre would certainly have
been a good choice too.
"General Protection Fault" <generalpf@nospam.yahoo.reallynospam.com> wrote
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> Brunswick Lowe wrote:
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> Sorry Microsoft, but you should try postgresql first.
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> Yeah, if you use innodb, but then it slows down and has a crappy locking
> mechanism.
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| General Protection Fault 2004-01-27, 2:24 pm |
| Brunswick Lowe wrote:
> What can I say, I outgrew it.
I outgrew it the moment I needed, y'know, CONCURRENCY.
Seriously, try postgresql before forking out the dollahz.
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| Brunswick Lowe 2004-01-27, 3:24 pm |
| Not exactly, I outgrew it the moment I wanted to start making decent money!
(and needed concurrency).
"General Protection Fault" <generalpf@nospam.yahoo.reallynospam.com> wrote
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> Brunswick Lowe wrote:
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> I outgrew it the moment I needed, y'know, CONCURRENCY.
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> Seriously, try postgresql before forking out the dollahz.
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-28, 6:23 am |
| >Not exactly, I outgrew it the moment I wanted to start making decent money!
>(and needed concurrency).
... How many real world banking systems use postgressql, mysql, etc (or
for that matter sql server), No idea what the answer is, but it is not
as many as db2.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-28, 6:23 am |
| >If you're developing for a small biz that has no need for
>transactions and cost is a big factor, I'd say MySQL cuts the mustard.
Yes, but in the real world.......
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| Brunswick Lowe 2004-01-28, 8:23 am |
| Small business keeps big business in business. Many SQL2K using banks would
go away without the many MySQL using customers.
I'd never advocate MySQL or Postgre as a replacement for SQL2K, but MySQL
has its place in the "real" world. There are certain cases where you'd be
doing your client a HUGE disservice by recommending SQL2K over MySQL. And
vice-versa.
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> Yes, but in the real world.......
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> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-28, 12:24 pm |
| >I'd never advocate MySQL or Postgre as a replacement for SQL2K, but MySQL
>has its place in the "real" world. There are certain cases where you'd be
>doing your client a HUGE disservice by recommending SQL2K over MySQL. And
>vice-versa.
I think we have different views of what happens in the 'real world'.
mysql's place in the real world is in the same place as the 'teach
yourself .net in 24 hours books' i.e. the bin.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| Lorne Smith 2004-01-28, 12:24 pm |
| "The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
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> I think we have different views of what happens in the 'real world'.
> mysql's place in the real world is in the same place as the 'teach
> yourself .net in 24 hours books' i.e. the bin.
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
I actually found a use for one of those Teach yourself in 24 hours books...
Sorted out a wobbly coffee table a treat
Lorne
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-28, 12:24 pm |
| >I actually found a use for one of those Teach yourself in 24 hours books...
>Sorted out a wobbly coffee table a treat
lol! I take back what I said...
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| General Protection Fault 2004-01-28, 12:24 pm |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere wrote:
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> I think we have different views of what happens in the 'real world'.
> mysql's place in the real world is in the same place as the 'teach
> yourself .net in 24 hours books' i.e. the bin.
Surprisingly enough, /Teach Yourself UML in 24 Hours/ is a decent book.
It matches /UML Distilled/ chapter-for-chapter, but with lighter, more
understandable content, and at a third of the price.
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-28, 12:24 pm |
| >Surprisingly enough, /Teach Yourself UML in 24 Hours/ is a decent book.
> It matches /UML Distilled/ chapter-for-chapter, but with lighter, more
>understandable content, and at a third of the price.
My point is that 'nothing' can be taught in '24 hours'.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| "The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
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> My point is that 'nothing' can be taught in '24 hours'.
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Patently untrue! I personally learned to use my new DVD player in well under
24 hours. Without braindumps, too!
JaR
Quick Thug
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-28, 1:24 pm |
| >Patently untrue! I personally learned to use my new DVD player in well under
>24 hours. Without braindumps, too!
Yeah right!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| General Protection Fault 2004-01-28, 2:24 pm |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere wrote:
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> My point is that 'nothing' can be taught in '24 hours'.
It's a deceptive title. Basically, you take 24 1-hour lessons. You
study on your own time, outside of the 24 hours.
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-28, 3:25 pm |
| >It's a deceptive title. Basically, you take 24 1-hour lessons. You
>study on your own time, outside of the 24 hours.
So I could sue them then?
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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