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.NET Training order / prerequisites

Bari Allen

2003-07-24, 2:23 pm

Hi, my boss paid a company for me to take the following courses (which I
have not yet scheduled):

2559 -Intro to VB.NET Programming
2310 -Developing ASP.NET web applications using VS.NET
2373 -Programming with VB.NET
2389 -Programming with ADO.NET

I have VERY limited (pure) vb skills. I've developed programs using
Microsoft Access 97 and 2000 (using the built-in VBA), and done a few
limited web pages using ASP, and ADO to connect to a database for reading
and inserting records. I noticed on the 2373 course that the prerequisites
seem to require VB6 courses or experience using VB4 or later. When I
originally signed up, I had asked for 1013, instead of 2559, but one of the
institutions we were bidding to said to take 2559, rather than 1013. The
budget office listened to those suggestions, but went with a different
vendor. Unfortunately, my boss can't sign me up for additional classes due
to budgetary concerns. Has anyone taken these classes (above)? What order
would you recommend me taking them in? Will I need additional education
before attempting to take 2373, or will the other courses above bring me in
with enough knowledge to get through it? Thank you in advance for any
advice.

I already meet the prereq. requirements for 2559
I meet most of the prereq. requirements for 2389, as well, EXCEPT that I've
never had Exposure to XML
2559 (above) & 2373 are listed as prereqs for 2310
Herein, lies the problem, the prerequisites for 2373 are as follows:
Experience developing applications with Visual Basic 4.0 or later
Successful completion of Course 1013, Mastering Microsoft Visual Basic 6
Development, or equivalent knowledge

OR

Successful completion of Course 1016, Mastering Enterprise Development
Using Microsoft Visual Basic 6, or equivalent knowledge
Familiarity with basic concepts of object-oriented programming
Familiarity with Extensible Markup Language (XML) concepts
Familiarity with Microsoft's .NET strategy as described on Microsoft's
..NET Web site: http://www.microsoft.com/net/
Familiarity with the .NET Framework as described on the following Web
sites:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/i...k/Framework.asp
and

http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/i.../Framework2.asp

Pamela Fanstill

2003-07-24, 8:24 pm

Hi,
I am an MCT that teaches these classes. I think you will be happy taking the
2559 class first. It will reinforce the knowledge you have from your
previous experience, teach you some new things, and introduce you to VB.NET.

After that take the 2310 which will introduce ASP.NET and reinforce the
VB.NET that you learned in 2559.

Both 2559 and 2310 are designed for those who are new to .NET, but have some
general programming background. So you should be comfortable with the level
of these classes.

Then take the 2389 to learn more about ADO.NET. You will get some exposure
to ADO.NET in both of the earlier classes, but it is a big topic so there is
lots more to learn. As for XML, look for some basic tutorials on the web to
familiarize yourself with the topic, that should be sufficient. You will
also learn a little about XML in the 2310 class.

I would recommend that you not take 2373, that course is designed as a quick
update to VB.NET and the .NET platform for those who are very experienced
with older versions of VB. Perhaps the training center will let you
substifute a different class. The 2415 .NET Framework class might be a good
choice, take this one last.
Allow some time between classes, so you can do some work on your own and
practice the things that you have learned. That way you can ask lots of
questions when you when you attend the subsequent classes.

HTH,
Pamela Fanstill

"Bari Allen" <bari@sos.REMOVETHIS.state.ga.us> wrote in message
news:OzP$#fgUDHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi, my boss paid a company for me to take the following courses (which I
> have not yet scheduled):
>
> 2559 -Intro to VB.NET Programming
> 2310 -Developing ASP.NET web applications using VS.NET
> 2373 -Programming with VB.NET
> 2389 -Programming with ADO.NET
>
> I have VERY limited (pure) vb skills. I've developed programs using
> Microsoft Access 97 and 2000 (using the built-in VBA), and done a few
> limited web pages using ASP, and ADO to connect to a database for reading
> and inserting records. I noticed on the 2373 course that the
prerequisites
> seem to require VB6 courses or experience using VB4 or later. When I
> originally signed up, I had asked for 1013, instead of 2559, but one of
the
> institutions we were bidding to said to take 2559, rather than 1013. The
> budget office listened to those suggestions, but went with a different
> vendor. Unfortunately, my boss can't sign me up for additional classes
due
> to budgetary concerns. Has anyone taken these classes (above)? What
order
> would you recommend me taking them in? Will I need additional education
> before attempting to take 2373, or will the other courses above bring me
in
> with enough knowledge to get through it? Thank you in advance for any
> advice.
>
> I already meet the prereq. requirements for 2559
> I meet most of the prereq. requirements for 2389, as well, EXCEPT that
I've
> never had Exposure to XML
> 2559 (above) & 2373 are listed as prereqs for 2310
> Herein, lies the problem, the prerequisites for 2373 are as follows:
> Experience developing applications with Visual Basic 4.0 or later
> Successful completion of Course 1013, Mastering Microsoft Visual Basic
6
> Development, or equivalent knowledge
>
> OR
>
> Successful completion of Course 1016, Mastering Enterprise Development
> Using Microsoft Visual Basic 6, or equivalent knowledge
> Familiarity with basic concepts of object-oriented programming
> Familiarity with Extensible Markup Language (XML) concepts
> Familiarity with Microsoft's .NET strategy as described on Microsoft's
> .NET Web site: http://www.microsoft.com/net/
> Familiarity with the .NET Framework as described on the following Web
> sites:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/i...k/Framework.asp
> and
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/i.../Framework2.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Bari Allen

2003-07-25, 11:23 am

Thank you for your reply. While it would be nice to drop the 2373, it was
selected, as part of an MCDBA curriculum with the elective exam 70-305,
which was selected as a concentration in vb/asp .net. The 2373 course is
one of the requirements for that exam. The ultimate objective is to be able
to do both database administration and programming in SQL on the back-end,
as well as in-house front-end windows development in vb.net and public ASP
pages, all of which interface with the SQL server databases, which I would
be responsible for. If I did substitute the 2415 class, as you suggested,
would I still know what I need for that exam? If not, I know Microsoft has
courseware/books that can be purchased, separately, instead of taking a
class. I would have to do that out of pocket, if my husband would let me.
What would you recommend to be necessary to prepare me for the 2373, when I
go in? Thank you.

"Pamela Fanstill" <pamf@austinsp.com> wrote in message
news:#CxgBLkUDHA.736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
> I am an MCT that teaches these classes. I think you will be happy taking
the
> 2559 class first. It will reinforce the knowledge you have from your
> previous experience, teach you some new things, and introduce you to
VB.NET.
>
> After that take the 2310 which will introduce ASP.NET and reinforce the
> VB.NET that you learned in 2559.
>
> Both 2559 and 2310 are designed for those who are new to .NET, but have
some
> general programming background. So you should be comfortable with the
level
> of these classes.
>
> Then take the 2389 to learn more about ADO.NET. You will get some exposure
> to ADO.NET in both of the earlier classes, but it is a big topic so there
is
> lots more to learn. As for XML, look for some basic tutorials on the web
to
> familiarize yourself with the topic, that should be sufficient. You will
> also learn a little about XML in the 2310 class.
>
> I would recommend that you not take 2373, that course is designed as a
quick
> update to VB.NET and the .NET platform for those who are very experienced
> with older versions of VB. Perhaps the training center will let you
> substifute a different class. The 2415 .NET Framework class might be a
good
> choice, take this one last.
> Allow some time between classes, so you can do some work on your own and
> practice the things that you have learned. That way you can ask lots of
> questions when you when you attend the subsequent classes.
>
> HTH,
> Pamela Fanstill
>
> "Bari Allen" <bari@sos.REMOVETHIS.state.ga.us> wrote in message
> news:OzP$#fgUDHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Hi, my boss paid a company for me to take the following courses (which I
> > have not yet scheduled):
> >
> > 2559 -Intro to VB.NET Programming
> > 2310 -Developing ASP.NET web applications using VS.NET
> > 2373 -Programming with VB.NET
> > 2389 -Programming with ADO.NET
> >
> > I have VERY limited (pure) vb skills. I've developed programs using
> > Microsoft Access 97 and 2000 (using the built-in VBA), and done a few
> > limited web pages using ASP, and ADO to connect to a database for
reading
> > and inserting records. I noticed on the 2373 course that the
> prerequisites
> > seem to require VB6 courses or experience using VB4 or later. When I
> > originally signed up, I had asked for 1013, instead of 2559, but one of
> the
> > institutions we were bidding to said to take 2559, rather than 1013.
The
> > budget office listened to those suggestions, but went with a different
> > vendor. Unfortunately, my boss can't sign me up for additional classes
> due
> > to budgetary concerns. Has anyone taken these classes (above)? What
> order
> > would you recommend me taking them in? Will I need additional education
> > before attempting to take 2373, or will the other courses above bring me
> in
> > with enough knowledge to get through it? Thank you in advance for any
> > advice.
> >
> > I already meet the prereq. requirements for 2559
> > I meet most of the prereq. requirements for 2389, as well, EXCEPT that
> I've
> > never had Exposure to XML
> > 2559 (above) & 2373 are listed as prereqs for 2310
> > Herein, lies the problem, the prerequisites for 2373 are as follows:
> > Experience developing applications with Visual Basic 4.0 or later
> > Successful completion of Course 1013, Mastering Microsoft Visual
Basic
> 6
> > Development, or equivalent knowledge
> >
> > OR
> >
> > Successful completion of Course 1016, Mastering Enterprise
Development
> > Using Microsoft Visual Basic 6, or equivalent knowledge
> > Familiarity with basic concepts of object-oriented programming
> > Familiarity with Extensible Markup Language (XML) concepts
> > Familiarity with Microsoft's .NET strategy as described on
Microsoft's
> > .NET Web site: http://www.microsoft.com/net/
> > Familiarity with the .NET Framework as described on the following
Web
> > sites:
> >
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/i...k/Framework.asp
> > and
> >
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/i.../Framework2.asp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Daniel Joskovski

2003-07-30, 2:23 pm

Exchange 2373 for 2565 and do it after 2559

Regards,
Daniel

"Bari Allen" <bari@sos.REMOVETHIS.state.ga.us> wrote in message
news:OzP$#fgUDHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi, my boss paid a company for me to take the following courses (which I
> have not yet scheduled):
>
> 2559 -Intro to VB.NET Programming
> 2310 -Developing ASP.NET web applications using VS.NET
> 2373 -Programming with VB.NET
> 2389 -Programming with ADO.NET
>
> I have VERY limited (pure) vb skills. I've developed programs using
> Microsoft Access 97 and 2000 (using the built-in VBA), and done a few
> limited web pages using ASP, and ADO to connect to a database for reading
> and inserting records. I noticed on the 2373 course that the
prerequisites
> seem to require VB6 courses or experience using VB4 or later. When I
> originally signed up, I had asked for 1013, instead of 2559, but one of
the
> institutions we were bidding to said to take 2559, rather than 1013. The
> budget office listened to those suggestions, but went with a different
> vendor. Unfortunately, my boss can't sign me up for additional classes
due
> to budgetary concerns. Has anyone taken these classes (above)? What
order
> would you recommend me taking them in? Will I need additional education
> before attempting to take 2373, or will the other courses above bring me
in
> with enough knowledge to get through it? Thank you in advance for any
> advice.
>
> I already meet the prereq. requirements for 2559
> I meet most of the prereq. requirements for 2389, as well, EXCEPT that
I've
> never had Exposure to XML
> 2559 (above) & 2373 are listed as prereqs for 2310
> Herein, lies the problem, the prerequisites for 2373 are as follows:
> Experience developing applications with Visual Basic 4.0 or later
> Successful completion of Course 1013, Mastering Microsoft Visual Basic
6
> Development, or equivalent knowledge
>
> OR
>
> Successful completion of Course 1016, Mastering Enterprise Development
> Using Microsoft Visual Basic 6, or equivalent knowledge
> Familiarity with basic concepts of object-oriented programming
> Familiarity with Extensible Markup Language (XML) concepts
> Familiarity with Microsoft's .NET strategy as described on Microsoft's
> .NET Web site: http://www.microsoft.com/net/
> Familiarity with the .NET Framework as described on the following Web
> sites:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/i...k/Framework.asp
> and
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/i.../Framework2.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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