microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcsd - Re: Has Kline Sphere ever made a useful post?

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Re: Has Kline Sphere ever made a useful post?

Bob Holmes

2003-07-02, 9:23 am

Hi Jeff,
I haven't been monitoring this group for very long, but I would say that
Kline Sphere has posted some very useful comments. I read his response to
one post and felt he was providing enough good information that I replied to
the post and asked him for more information, which he kindly supplied, in
great abundance. I am very grateful for this.
I have seen, in a number of these groups, some very sarcastic remarks.
Those receiving the flames usually deserve them. I rarely see a legitimate
post get flamed by anyone.

Bob Holmes

From: "Jeff" <jeff@am-donotspamme.net>
Subject: Has Kilne Sphere ever made a userful post?
Date: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:24 PM

I'm curious Kline, why do you post here?

Alistair

2003-07-02, 4:23 pm

Hear, Hear!!

I too have learned a lot simply by reading Kline's many
postings.

Obviously he is intolerant of the many people who are too
stupid or lazy to search the obvious sites (such as the
Microsoft Sites) for answers to simple questions like "how
do I get MCSD", etc. and insist on posting these questions
in this group. I do have to agree with him - if people
need to post questions like that in this group they don't
deserve Certification.

I also agree that there are far too many people earning
Certification (and therefore entering the IT "game") who
have no idea of the most basic (and the most complicated)
theories such as OO, etc.

So, Kline, please keep it up!! Your posts are always
either i) informative, or ii) very entertaining, or iii)
both!
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Jeff,
> I haven't been monitoring this group for very long,
but I would say that
>Kline Sphere has posted some very useful comments. I
read his response to
>one post and felt he was providing enough good
information that I replied to
>the post and asked him for more information, which he
kindly supplied, in
>great abundance. I am very grateful for this.
>I have seen, in a number of these groups, some very
sarcastic remarks.
>Those receiving the flames usually deserve them. I
rarely see a legitimate
>post get flamed by anyone.
>
>Bob Holmes
>
>From: "Jeff" <jeff@am-donotspamme.net>
>Subject: Has Kilne Sphere ever made a userful post?
>Date: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:24 PM
>
>I'm curious Kline, why do you post here?
>
>
>
>.
>

Gevorg

2003-07-03, 2:23 am

VERY AGREE with every Kline Sphere post.
He is right - too much (sorry for being rude, but it is the true)
uneducated people are trying to get these certificates without any sign
of understanding that it is about - look at the 75% of the questions -
they are far from regular PC users level even. So if they are trying to
get for instance MCSD.NET using braindumps and just memorizing the
answers - how I (or any employer) can take the MCSD as a confirmation of
a certain developer level or knowledge? So he is right - Try your toilet
for braindumps and Money is The Power!
Go Kline!!

George
MCSD, MCAD, MCSD.NET

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Dusty

2003-07-03, 7:23 am

> VERY AGREE with every Kline Sphere post.
> He is right - too much (sorry for being rude, but it
> is the true)
> uneducated people are trying to get these
> certificates without any sign
> of understanding that it is about - look at the 75%
> of the questions -
> they are far from regular PC users level even. So if
> they are trying to

So ignore them instead of flaming.

> get for instance MCSD.NET using braindumps and just
> memorizing the
> answers - how I (or any employer) can take the MCSD
> as a confirmation of
> a certain developer level or knowledge? So he is
> right -

I don't believe that anybody can pass exams just by
using braindumps. It _is_ possible if he or she have
already some knowledge on the subject. I have
experience in C/C++, VB, Java, but I don't think I
could pass for MCSD.Net if didn't buy the MOC books to
study from. And normally I looked up for braindumps,
cause I want to see what questions await me.

> Try your toilet for braindumps and Money is The
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No offence but that is a stupid thing to say ! I don't
like the "I have my MCSD and now I've got god by his
balls, so you all can take your posts and shove it
where the sun don't shine" attitude !
I posted a question on exam 316 a week ago, and it
still seems as a perfectly normal question (and I got a
perfectly normal reply by Guy Cox - tnx Guy), cause i
wanted to know whether the MOC books are sufficent
enough from other people experience. From Kline Sphere
I only got his frustrated ranting about his toilet
fascination. As it seems to me he didn't even bother to
read past the subject, but started flaming at once !
What is this group all about ? To read someones
praisings like "I passed for MCSD - I kick butt ", or
what ?!

Gevorg

2003-07-03, 11:23 am

Originally posted by Dusty

> >> look at the 75%
> >> of the questions -
> >> they are far from regular PC users level even. So if
> >> they are trying to
>
> > So ignore them instead of flaming.
>
> So we did until now, there are exceptions of course...
>
> >> get for instance MCSD.NET using braindumps and just
> >> memorizing the
> >> answers - how I (or any employer) can take the MCSD
> >> as a confirmation of
> >> a certain developer level or knowledge? So he is
> >> right -
>
> >I don't believe that anybody can pass exams just by
> >using braindumps. It _is_ possible if he or she have
> >already some knowledge on the subject. I have
> >experience in C/C++, VB, Java, but I don't think I
> >could pass for MCSD.Net if didn't buy the MOC books to
> >study from. And normally I looked up for braindumps,
> >cause I want to see what questions await me.
>
> Well if you have en experiance, questions in fact should be very easy
> for you, I don't think they are so hard. In my opinion even if your
> experiance is for at least 6 months (in .NET) and you have read at
> least 1 book for each exam (not the MCSD/MCAD preparation guids -
> these stupid superficial cram guids - I mean real good books from Wrox
> for instance) - you can pass any of this just in twinkling of an eyes
> - they are so simple and naive - just you have to know the matter and
> at least have done a couple of lines of real coding.
>
> >> Try your toilet for braindumps and Money is The
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> >> No offence but that is a stupid thing to say ! I don't
> >>like the "I have my MCSD and now I've got god by his
> >>balls, so you all can take your posts and shove it
> >>where the sun don't shine" attitude !
> >>I posted a question on exam 316 a week ago, and it
> >>still seems as a perfectly normal question (and I got a
> >>perfectly normal reply by Guy Cox - tnx Guy), cause i
> >>wanted to know whether the MOC books are sufficent
> >>enough from other people experience. From Kline Sphere
> >>I only got his frustrated ranting about his toilet
> >>fascination. As it seems to me he didn't even bother to
> >>read past the subject, but started flaming at once !
> >>What is this group all about ? To read someones
> >>praisings like "I passed for MCSD - I kick butt ", or
> >>what ?!
>
> The answer is above - just as a reminder - from Microsoft's MCSD for
> .NET requirements page - An MCSD for Microsoft .NET candidate should
> have two years of experience developing and maintaining solutions and
> applications
> http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/...rementsdotnet.-
> asp"]http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/mcp/mcsd/requirementsdotnet.a-
> sp[/url]

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Kline Sphere

2003-07-03, 11:23 am

>I have
>experience in C/C++, VB, Java, but I don't think I
>could pass for MCSD.Net

But you could if you were given or paid for the questions (and even
the answers).

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