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VB 6.0 a thing of the past?
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| Graeme 2003-05-27, 6:23 pm |
| I heard that Vb 6.0 was going to be unheard of within a
couple of years, does anyone else know of this?. I hope
not as I have just started studying for the 70-176 but
hearing this has disheartened me somewhat
Thanks, Graeme
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| Bothma van Tonder 2003-05-28, 7:23 am |
| Hi
I think at the pace that technology and the industry moves, .Net could even
be something unheard of within a couple of years. In my opinion, it would be
best to focus on what you want the certification for. Is it to move up in
your current job, or to find work in a different field. There are still a
lot of jobs out there that need VB 6.0 skills, since not all companies are
upgrading to .Net right now, so I don't think it would be a waste to do the
70-176 and 70-175 exams. Have a look on the internet at the type of
positions that you are interested in and try to focus your skills in that
area and make sure to upgrade often.
Regards
Bothma
"Graeme" <g@bentley1708.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I heard that Vb 6.0 was going to be unheard of within a
> couple of years, does anyone else know of this?. I hope
> not as I have just started studying for the 70-176 but
> hearing this has disheartened me somewhat
>
> Thanks, Graeme
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| Graeme 2003-05-28, 1:23 pm |
| Hi Bothma
Thanks for your reply. It was my tutor that mentioned
the original message and she also added that .Net would
be around for another 5/6 years or so. I have no
previous experience of programming and am doing this
course to help break into the industry. I've been
reading it for over a month now and I still can't seem to
grasp an understanding for it
All the best
Graeme
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi
>
>I think at the pace that technology and the industry
moves, .Net could even
>be something unheard of within a couple of years. In my
opinion, it would be
>best to focus on what you want the certification for. Is
it to move up in
>your current job, or to find work in a different field.
There are still a
>lot of jobs out there that need VB 6.0 skills, since not
all companies are
>upgrading to .Net right now, so I don't think it would
be a waste to do the
>70-176 and 70-175 exams. Have a look on the internet at
the type of
>positions that you are interested in and try to focus
your skills in that
>area and make sure to upgrade often.
>
>Regards
>
>Bothma
>
>
>"Graeme" <g@bentley1708.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:399c01c324a2$336959b0$a40
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>> I heard that Vb 6.0 was going to be unheard of within a
>> couple of years, does anyone else know of this?. I
hope
>> not as I have just started studying for the 70-176 but
>> hearing this has disheartened me somewhat
>>
>> Thanks, Graeme
>
>
>.
>
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| Steven Ross 2003-05-28, 9:23 pm |
| My thinking is that VB 6.0 is so different from VB.NET, that many places
won't migrate, or won't convert older apps to .NET right away. (I've even
heard of places that are still using VB 3.0!!!)
..NET is definitely here for good, but either track is worth it. Personally,
I'm doing the VB 6.0 track (MCSD), and then doing the .NET track. I figure,
2 certifications can't be bad...
--
Steven Ross
Software Developer
steven@greatvine.net
http://www.greatvine.net
"Graeme" <g@bentley1708.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I heard that Vb 6.0 was going to be unheard of within a
> couple of years, does anyone else know of this?. I hope
> not as I have just started studying for the 70-176 but
> hearing this has disheartened me somewhat
>
> Thanks, Graeme
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| Bothma van Tonder 2003-05-29, 2:23 am |
| Hi Graeme
If it is your first entry into the world of programming, I would suggest
that you mybe look into .Net, as it is the most current version, so in my
opinion, it could be a better option. Don't worry about having wasted time
doing the VB 6.0 training. Although VB .Net has a lot of new and improved
features, a lot of the coding basics are still the same as in VB 6.0, so the
training would not have been a waste of time.
Hope that helps and good luck!
Regards
Bothma
"Graeme" <g@bentley1708.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi Bothma
>
> Thanks for your reply. It was my tutor that mentioned
> the original message and she also added that .Net would
> be around for another 5/6 years or so. I have no
> previous experience of programming and am doing this
> course to help break into the industry. I've been
> reading it for over a month now and I still can't seem to
> grasp an understanding for it
>
> All the best
> Graeme
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi
> >
> >I think at the pace that technology and the industry
> moves, .Net could even
> >be something unheard of within a couple of years. In my
> opinion, it would be
> >best to focus on what you want the certification for. Is
> it to move up in
> >your current job, or to find work in a different field.
> There are still a
> >lot of jobs out there that need VB 6.0 skills, since not
> all companies are
> >upgrading to .Net right now, so I don't think it would
> be a waste to do the
> >70-176 and 70-175 exams. Have a look on the internet at
> the type of
> >positions that you are interested in and try to focus
> your skills in that
> >area and make sure to upgrade often.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Bothma
> >
> >
> >"Graeme" <g@bentley1708.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:399c01c324a2$336959b0$a40
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> >> I heard that Vb 6.0 was going to be unheard of within a
> >> couple of years, does anyone else know of this?. I
> hope
> >> not as I have just started studying for the 70-176 but
> >> hearing this has disheartened me somewhat
> >>
> >> Thanks, Graeme
> >
> >
> >.
> >
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| Kline Sphere 2003-05-29, 6:23 am |
| >My thinking is that VB 6.0 is so different from VB.NET, that many places
>won't migrate, or won't convert older apps to .NET right away. (I've even
>heard of places that are still using VB 3.0!!!)
Many application written in vb 6 were the result of 'slapped together
approach' used to write vb 1,2,3,4 applications. You seldom see a well
design, efficient vb application.
However if an application is written in vb 1,2,3 and does the job it
was intended to, why noes it need to be changed? We have code over
twenty years old running where I'm working. If money and time were no
limits, they would replace it, but the benefits simple do not justify
it.
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| Kline Sphere 2003-05-29, 6:23 am |
| >Although VB .Net has a lot of new and improved
>features, a lot of the coding basics are still the same as in VB 6.0, so the
>training would not have been a waste of time.
If anyone slaps together a vb.net application in the style of a
traditional vb 1,2,3,4,5,6 app, they should be fired.
It is the design that is important. A good object oriented approach
makes the choice of language(s) immaterial in the dot net world.
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| Bothma van Tonder 2003-05-30, 9:23 am |
| I fully agree that the design should be in line with proper OO techniques. I
meant that the a lot of the basic syntax has remained the same.
"Kline Sphere" <T> wrote in message
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> >Although VB .Net has a lot of new and improved
> >features, a lot of the coding basics are still the same as in VB 6.0, so
the
> >training would not have been a waste of time.
>
> If anyone slaps together a vb.net application in the style of a
> traditional vb 1,2,3,4,5,6 app, they should be fired.
>
> It is the design that is important. A good object oriented approach
> makes the choice of language(s) immaterial in the dot net world.
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| Kline Sphere 2003-05-30, 9:23 am |
| > I meant that the a lot of the basic syntax has remained the same.
Your comment can be seen as rather misleading. It would be like
saying Java "coding basics" are like C or GW basic "coding basics"
are like VB6.
All modern computer languages share common constructs (e.g. loops and
control flow), which implemented in slightly different ways. The
common constructs enable he language to perform tasks humans can
easily relate to.
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| Steven Ross 2003-05-30, 11:23 pm |
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"Kline Sphere" <T> wrote in message
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> Many application written in vb 6 were the result of 'slapped together
> approach' used to write vb 1,2,3,4 applications. You seldom see a well
> design, efficient vb application.
Sorry, but I'd have to disagree with you. There are some VERY GOOD VB
programs out there. Just 'cause you haven't run across any, doesn't mean
they aren't there. I don't know what your definition of "a well design,
efficient" program is, but I think your statement is quite arrogant. Yes,
there are lousy VB programmers...just as there are lousy C++ programmers and
lousy Java programmers and lousy COBOL programmers. But that doesn't make
us all lousy.
And if you're implying that VB by nature isn't well designed and efficient,
well you just don't know what you're talking about. Sure, there are things
that C can do that VB can't...but that doesn't make it a bad language.
--
Steven Ross
Software Developer
steven@greatvine.net
http://www.greatvine.net
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| Kline Sphere 2003-05-31, 6:23 am |
| >Sorry, but I'd have to disagree with you.
That's fine.
>There are some VERY GOOD VB
>programs out there.
As you say, 'some' - not very many (Joke). Of course there are, but
those people are very good programmers, and not just in VB.
>Just 'cause you haven't run across any, doesn't mean
>they aren't there.
Very true.
>I don't know what your definition of "a well design,
>efficient" program is, but I think your statement is quite arrogant.
Not arrogant, it just means exactly what it says!
In order for a system to be efficient, a good design is required.
Slapped together systems (no matter what the languages are), where
little (if any) design has been undertaken, will not be efficient and
cost effective.
The most common design pattern I've seen with VB 'systems' are the
ones based on the 'spaghetti' design patten.
> Yes,
>there are lousy VB programmers...just as there are lousy C++ programmers and
>lousy Java programmers and lousy COBOL programmers.
Absolutely.
>But that doesn't make
>us all lousy.
Never said, so why do you think that way????
>And if you're implying that VB by nature isn't well designed and efficient,
>well you just don't know what you're talking about.
How do you implement a generalization defined within your UML static
design in VB 1,2,3,4,5,6? Don't say through containment and
delegation.
> Sure, there are things
>that C can do that VB can't...but that doesn't make it a bad language.
I never said VB is a bad language, it's simplicity is both good and a
bad thing. However, it allows anyone with little or no idea of
software development to dive straight in 'slap together' applications.
That does not worry me at all, until I have to go through them, line
by line, to determine what information is be processed so I can
extract it, before the application can be retired.
However VB has taken a very long time to evolve. VB.NET offers a great
deal when used in a manner fitting it's purpose. Those 'programmers'
who do not understand the object oriented approach to software
development, need not apply.
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| BreakerM 2003-07-30, 2:23 pm |
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A waste of time? Definitely not. But VB 6.0 is going to be gone soon
enough (the exam is getting retired next year, I believe).
I took 70-176 a few years back and just decided to finish up my MCSD
recently. Passed the SQL Server 2000 in May and will take 70-175 and
70-100 in the next two weeks. That way I can get my MCSD in the
quickest time, without having to ditch all my past experience in favor
of the .NET stuff. Plus, the .NET MCSD is 5 exams, not 4.
My advice is to get the 6.0 MCSD certification under your belt (be sure
to take the SQL Server 2000 exam because that transfers to the .NET
MCSD) then immediately start learning .NET. Don't be left behind when
the 6.0 jobs start drying up.
Good luck!!!!
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