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Failed on 70-300 today. damn!

Guilherme Magalhães

2003-03-26, 8:23 pm

I took and failed the bloody beta exam in november.

And today I took and failed again!! I have the damn .NET analysis
experience (3 years of it) and I had no difficulties with 70-100. I read all
the material that I could found and I failed! I can't believe that I
failed!! I never failed on a live exam. 13 passed scores, and now this! I'm
soooooo pissed-off! Microsoft cheated on me!

((

Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation? Where I
did wrong?!

(((
Anyway, I booked it again for 04/02/2003. If I get another "fail" I'l kill
myself. Please help with links, tips, money... anything!

TIA

--
Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br
MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)

test

2003-03-26, 8:23 pm

Welcome to the loser's club!
Don't let the failure, let you down. Remember, Abrahan Lincoln was defeated
many times before he finally became President!

If this will help you:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/crea...es/failures.htm

TestKing

2003-03-26, 9:23 pm

Congratulation!!! Loser
TestKing Forever~~~

"Guilherme Magalhães" <guilherme@iwire.com.br> wrote in message
news:OxGqYNA9CHA.1604@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I took and failed the bloody beta exam in november.
>
> And today I took and failed again!! I have the damn .NET analysis
> experience (3 years of it) and I had no difficulties with 70-100. I read
all
> the material that I could found and I failed! I can't believe that I
> failed!! I never failed on a live exam. 13 passed scores, and now this!
I'm
> soooooo pissed-off! Microsoft cheated on me!

((
>
> Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation? Where I
> did wrong?!

(((
> Anyway, I booked it again for 04/02/2003. If I get another "fail" I'l
kill
> myself. Please help with links, tips, money... anything!
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br
> MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)
>
>

test

2003-03-26, 9:23 pm

Is that how you passed your exam? By cheating? What a loser...

[Corpuslogic] Thomas U Nielsen

2003-03-27, 6:23 am

What country are you from and what country did you take it in?

Did you get the time extension?

"Guilherme Magalhães" <guilherme@iwire.com.br> wrote in message
news:OxGqYNA9CHA.1604@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I took and failed the bloody beta exam in november.
>
> And today I took and failed again!! I have the damn .NET analysis
> experience (3 years of it) and I had no difficulties with 70-100. I read
all
> the material that I could found and I failed! I can't believe that I
> failed!! I never failed on a live exam. 13 passed scores, and now this!
I'm
> soooooo pissed-off! Microsoft cheated on me!

((
>
> Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation? Where I
> did wrong?!

Paulo Reichert

2003-03-27, 6:23 am

Hey, calm down man!

Failure is a part of life and you have to work it out! :-)

First of all, you have to try to remember which parts of the test were worst
for you, I mean, where you felt more uncomfortable.

You can take a look at Tim's links on www.codeclinic.com. I heard a lot of
people who used these links, and I toke a look myself. They look good.

On the MSDN Library there is a topic only for enterprise architecture, where
they provide you also with some case studies. You can read trough that.

I recommend also (if you can) take any practice test that features case
studies (SelfTest or MeasureUp, both for 70-100) and use it to read the case
studies, try to answer the questions and discover where and why you got
wrong. It can help you see a lot of details that you're mission on the case
studies. You can say, OK, but 70-100 is based on VB/VC++ 6.0. Doesn't
matter. The intent here is to read case studies and catch the details on
them.

Also, on your next attempt, take with you a lot of paper and take notes of
EVERYTHING that should look interesting for a question. When I toke my exam,
I toke notes of almost EVERYTHING. Maybe you won't read it while you're
answering the questions, but it will help fix on your mind what was
discussed on the case study.

Use your time until the last minute. I remember I finished each case study
leaving something between 30" to 1'20". Saving time will not do you any
good.

I hope it helps you on your next attempt.

Cheers,

Paulo

BTW: Looking at your surname I was wondering: Where are you from?

"Guilherme Magalhães" <guilherme@iwire.com.br> wrote in message
news:OxGqYNA9CHA.1604@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I took and failed the bloody beta exam in november.
>
> And today I took and failed again!! I have the damn .NET analysis
> experience (3 years of it) and I had no difficulties with 70-100. I read
all
> the material that I could found and I failed! I can't believe that I
> failed!! I never failed on a live exam. 13 passed scores, and now this!
I'm
> soooooo pissed-off! Microsoft cheated on me!

((
>
> Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation? Where I
> did wrong?!

Guilherme Magalhães

2003-03-27, 8:23 am

I'm from Brazil and took the exam in Brazil. (sorry about my english, I'm
working improve it...)

Time Extension? I had 150min to complete the test.

--

Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br

MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)

"[Corpuslogic] Thomas U Nielsen" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message
news:#E2dhQF9CHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> What country are you from and what country did you take it in?
>
> Did you get the time extension?
>
> "Guilherme Magalhães" <guilherme@iwire.com.br> wrote in message
> news:OxGqYNA9CHA.1604@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > I took and failed the bloody beta exam in november.
> >
> > And today I took and failed again!! I have the damn .NET analysis
> > experience (3 years of it) and I had no difficulties with 70-100. I read
> all
> > the material that I could found and I failed! I can't believe that I
> > failed!! I never failed on a live exam. 13 passed scores, and now this!
> I'm
> > soooooo pissed-off! Microsoft cheated on me!

((
> >
> > Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation? Where
I
> > did wrong?!

(((
> > Anyway, I booked it again for 04/02/2003. If I get another "fail" I'l
> kill
> > myself. Please help with links, tips, money... anything!
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > --
> > Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br
> > MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)
> >
> >
>
>

Guilherme Magalhães

2003-03-27, 8:23 am

((
> >
> > Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation? Where
I
> > did wrong?!

Guilherme Magalhães

2003-03-27, 8:23 am

I'm writing down everything that I can remember about the test, so I can
read stuff about it.

While searching for MCAD preparation material I saw the Tim's page, but he
don't have too many 70-300 links as he do for 70-320 and 315. I'm planning
to make a more accurate link page like he did for 70-300.

I'll dig more deep into MSDN. I read some articles about architecture and
some best practices, but not all of them.

I almost never use the notebook. I'll try do this on my next attempt.

Yep.... I finished the test with 30min left. Maybe I could use that time to
check my answers...

I'm from Brazil Paulo, my family is from Italy.

Thanks for your tips. :]

--

Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br

MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)

"Paulo Reichert" <paulo_reichert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ufY2NcF9CHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hey, calm down man!
>
>
>
> Failure is a part of life and you have to work it out! :-)
>
>
>
> First of all, you have to try to remember which parts of the test were
worst
> for you, I mean, where you felt more uncomfortable.
>
>
>
> You can take a look at Tim's links on www.codeclinic.com. I heard a lot of
> people who used these links, and I toke a look myself. They look good.
>
>
>
> On the MSDN Library there is a topic only for enterprise architecture,
where
> they provide you also with some case studies. You can read trough that.
>
>
>
> I recommend also (if you can) take any practice test that features case
> studies (SelfTest or MeasureUp, both for 70-100) and use it to read the
case
> studies, try to answer the questions and discover where and why you got
> wrong. It can help you see a lot of details that you're mission on the
case
> studies. You can say, OK, but 70-100 is based on VB/VC++ 6.0. Doesn't
> matter. The intent here is to read case studies and catch the details on
> them.
>
>
>
> Also, on your next attempt, take with you a lot of paper and take notes of
> EVERYTHING that should look interesting for a question. When I toke my
exam,
> I toke notes of almost EVERYTHING. Maybe you won't read it while you're
> answering the questions, but it will help fix on your mind what was
> discussed on the case study.
>
>
>
> Use your time until the last minute. I remember I finished each case study
> leaving something between 30" to 1'20". Saving time will not do you any
> good.
>
>
>
> I hope it helps you on your next attempt.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paulo
>
>
>
> BTW: Looking at your surname I was wondering: Where are you from?
>
>
>
> "Guilherme Magalhães" <guilherme@iwire.com.br> wrote in message
> news:OxGqYNA9CHA.1604@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > I took and failed the bloody beta exam in november.
> >
> > And today I took and failed again!! I have the damn .NET analysis
> > experience (3 years of it) and I had no difficulties with 70-100. I read
> all
> > the material that I could found and I failed! I can't believe that I
> > failed!! I never failed on a live exam. 13 passed scores, and now this!
> I'm
> > soooooo pissed-off! Microsoft cheated on me!

((
> >
> > Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation? Where
I
> > did wrong?!

test

2003-03-27, 9:23 am

How many questions did you get on each case study?
My case studies were the same as yours. I remember I had 120 minutes total,
30 minutes for University, 30 minutes for Museum, and 60 minutes for
Delivery Company.

Paulo Reichert

2003-03-27, 10:23 am

Hey man, I've asked you where you're from because I'm Brazilian too, altough
I live in Italy...

I like to stress that you must use your time at most and must take notes of
everything. It's not because you will read it later, but because it helps
you fix it on your head. :-)

Um abraço,
Paulo
"Guilherme Magalhães" <guilherme@flag.com.br> wrote in message
news:eEUNKiG9CHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I'm writing down everything that I can remember about the test, so I can
> read stuff about it.
>
> While searching for MCAD preparation material I saw the Tim's page, but he
> don't have too many 70-300 links as he do for 70-320 and 315. I'm planning
> to make a more accurate link page like he did for 70-300.
>
> I'll dig more deep into MSDN. I read some articles about architecture and
> some best practices, but not all of them.
>
> I almost never use the notebook. I'll try do this on my next attempt.
>
> Yep.... I finished the test with 30min left. Maybe I could use that time
to
> check my answers...
>
>
>
> I'm from Brazil Paulo, my family is from Italy.
>
> Thanks for your tips. :]
>
> --
>
> Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br
>
> MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)
>
> "Paulo Reichert" <paulo_reichert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ufY2NcF9CHA.1600@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Hey, calm down man!
> >
> >
> >
> > Failure is a part of life and you have to work it out! :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > First of all, you have to try to remember which parts of the test were
> worst
> > for you, I mean, where you felt more uncomfortable.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can take a look at Tim's links on www.codeclinic.com. I heard a lot
of
> > people who used these links, and I toke a look myself. They look good.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the MSDN Library there is a topic only for enterprise architecture,
> where
> > they provide you also with some case studies. You can read trough that.
> >
> >
> >
> > I recommend also (if you can) take any practice test that features case
> > studies (SelfTest or MeasureUp, both for 70-100) and use it to read the
> case
> > studies, try to answer the questions and discover where and why you got
> > wrong. It can help you see a lot of details that you're mission on the
> case
> > studies. You can say, OK, but 70-100 is based on VB/VC++ 6.0. Doesn't
> > matter. The intent here is to read case studies and catch the details on
> > them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, on your next attempt, take with you a lot of paper and take notes
of
> > EVERYTHING that should look interesting for a question. When I toke my
> exam,
> > I toke notes of almost EVERYTHING. Maybe you won't read it while you're
> > answering the questions, but it will help fix on your mind what was
> > discussed on the case study.
> >
> >
> >
> > Use your time until the last minute. I remember I finished each case
study

> > leaving something between 30" to 1'20". Saving time will not do you any
> > good.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope it helps you on your next attempt.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW: Looking at your surname I was wondering: Where are you from?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Guilherme Magalhães" <guilherme@iwire.com.br> wrote in message
> > news:OxGqYNA9CHA.1604@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > I took and failed the bloody beta exam in november.
> > >
> > > And today I took and failed again!! I have the damn .NET analysis
> > > experience (3 years of it) and I had no difficulties with 70-100. I
read
> > all
> > > the material that I could found and I failed! I can't believe that I
> > > failed!! I never failed on a live exam. 13 passed scores, and now
this!

> > I'm
> > > soooooo pissed-off! Microsoft cheated on me!

((
> > >
> > > Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation?
Where
> I
> > > did wrong?!

(((
> > > Anyway, I booked it again for 04/02/2003. If I get another "fail"
I'l
> > kill
> > > myself. Please help with links, tips, money... anything!
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > --
> > > Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br
> > > MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Guilherme Magalhães

2003-03-27, 12:23 pm

Thomas Ulrich informed that when you do the test ouside an country that has
english as native language you get plus 30min to get it done.

Then I had time extension, since I took the test in Brazil.

--
Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br
MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)

"test" <js@tryandspaam.hellorioyt.com> wrote in message
news:O4q3LIH9CHA.2052@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> How many questions did you get on each case study?
> My case studies were the same as yours. I remember I had 120 minutes
total,
> 30 minutes for University, 30 minutes for Museum, and 60 minutes for
> Delivery Company.
>
>

test

2003-03-27, 12:23 pm

I didn't get a time extension.
I think you should get a time extension if English is your second language,
regardless of where you are. To me, this is like being handicap, I have a
disadvantage over native English speakers.

test

2003-03-27, 12:23 pm

So did you pass it first time? You even had time to write notes? Did you
have a time extension? You didn't have any problems with reading in English?

Paulo Reichert

2003-03-27, 1:23 pm

I had a total time of 150 minutes (as I remember).

English is a second language for me, but I have used it a lot in my life to
have some comfort with that. I haven't any problems with the case studies.

The time was enough to almost copy the case studies, but some people
certainly will find problems.

And yes, I passed the first time I toke it.

Cheers,
Paulo

"test" <js@tryandspaam.hellorioyt.com> wrote in message
news:uX6kFrI9CHA.2412@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> So did you pass it first time? You even had time to write notes? Did you
> have a time extension? You didn't have any problems with reading in
English?
>
>

test

2003-03-27, 1:23 pm

You're good! Congratulations!

Guilherme Magalhães

2003-03-27, 1:23 pm

Ahhhhhh.........

I'm sooo pissed off......... I could had done it on the 1st time....
damit....

>:|

--
Guilherme Magalhaes - guilherme@iwire.com.br
MCP(Win2k) - MCSD(C++) - MCAD(C#)

Fabrício Costa

2003-03-27, 2:23 pm

Hi Guilherme!

One of the new practices in this exam is ORM, at the following link you
could see a good presentation about it.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/Episode025/

maybe it could help you! ;-)

Are you in São Paulo?

[]'s
Fabrício Costa
Brazil

"Guilherme Magalhães" <guilherme@iwire.com.br> wrote in message
news:OxGqYNA9CHA.1604@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I took and failed the bloody beta exam in november.
>
> And today I took and failed again!! I have the damn .NET analysis
> experience (3 years of it) and I had no difficulties with 70-100. I read
all
> the material that I could found and I failed! I can't believe that I
> failed!! I never failed on a live exam. 13 passed scores, and now this!
I'm
> soooooo pissed-off! Microsoft cheated on me!

((
>
> Someone cleared this test?? How I can have a better preparation? Where I
> did wrong?!

test

2003-03-27, 2:23 pm

Don't be so hard on yourself...
I bet many people failed this exam, but they just won't admit it.
You had the guts to admit it, so be proud of yourself!
Now take it again.
I am taking it again too, but I'm afraid I will make the same mistakes, so
I've decided to wait for the MS Press book to be published, hopefully April
2nd.

Tim

2003-03-27, 2:23 pm

"test" <js@tryandspaam.hellorioyt.com> wrote in message
news:#l9sLpI9CHA.2052@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I didn't get a time extension.
> I think you should get a time extension if English is your second
language,
> regardless of where you are. To me, this is like being handicap, I have a
> disadvantage over native English speakers.

I think you will be given the extension anywhere if you ask.

Danut

2003-03-27, 10:23 pm

I looked on Prometric site and for 70-100 it is possible to choose "English
Second Language" and the allowed time is 3:15 the same as for "U.S.
English". What is the difference then?

Danut

"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
news:ullVswJ9CHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "test" <js@tryandspaam.hellorioyt.com> wrote in message
> news:#l9sLpI9CHA.2052@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > I didn't get a time extension.
> > I think you should get a time extension if English is your second
> language,
> > regardless of where you are. To me, this is like being handicap, I have
a
> > disadvantage over native English speakers.
>
> I think you will be given the extension anywhere if you ask.
>
>

Tim

2003-03-28, 9:23 am

"Danut" <danutzp1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:#L51j1N9CHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I looked on Prometric site and for 70-100 it is possible to choose
"English
> Second Language" and the allowed time is 3:15 the same as for "U.S.
> English". What is the difference then?

Maybe it doesn't work or isn't reflected in the online system. Or maybe my
understanding was just wrong. I've never tried to use the ESL extension.

Danut

2003-03-28, 11:23 am

I plan to take 70-100 in the near future and I intend to use ESL even if I'm
handling English pretty well. If I can get an extra time then why not? :-)

"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
news:u$wqcuT9CHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "Danut" <danutzp1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#L51j1N9CHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > I looked on Prometric site and for 70-100 it is possible to choose
> "English
> > Second Language" and the allowed time is 3:15 the same as for "U.S.
> > English". What is the difference then?
>
> Maybe it doesn't work or isn't reflected in the online system. Or maybe my
> understanding was just wrong. I've never tried to use the ESL extension.
>
>

Newspost

2003-03-29, 12:23 pm

From South Africa, Prometric's booking system gives 2 (English) options for
each exam -- English and English Second Language .. I assume that selecting
second language invokes the time extension.

-Cliff

"test" <js@tryandspaam.hellorioyt.com> wrote in message
news:#l9sLpI9CHA.2052@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I didn't get a time extension.
> I think you should get a time extension if English is your second
language,
> regardless of where you are. To me, this is like being handicap, I have a
> disadvantage over native English speakers.
>
>

Danut

2003-03-30, 12:23 am

I forgot to tell the Prometric guy to select for me ESL so I took the normal
English one. The guy was not able to tell me if it gives you more time for
ESL. Anyway it was enough time for me.

Danut

"Newspost" <this@goes.nowhere> wrote in message
news:eM6ol9h9CHA.1624@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> From South Africa, Prometric's booking system gives 2 (English) options
for
> each exam -- English and English Second Language .. I assume that
selecting
> second language invokes the time extension.
>
> -Cliff
>
> "test" <js@tryandspaam.hellorioyt.com> wrote in message
> news:#l9sLpI9CHA.2052@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > I didn't get a time extension.
> > I think you should get a time extension if English is your second
> language,
> > regardless of where you are. To me, this is like being handicap, I have
a
> > disadvantage over native English speakers.
> >
> >
>
>

Stoyan Iordanov

2003-04-01, 3:23 am

Yes, there is time, if you do not copy everything, but
just the most important details and requirements. Then,
even if you don't use your notes, you can clearly
remember the requirement, or at least where exactly in
the case study is the information you need.

I use this approach, and I have always had enough time
(when I took the 70-300 beta, it took me exactly 120
minutes from the beginning of the survey to the final
score screen, although I had a time extension for a non-
english speaker).

>-----Original Message-----
>I had a total time of 150 minutes (as I remember).
>
>English is a second language for me, but I have used it
a lot in my life to
>have some comfort with that. I haven't any problems with
the case studies.
>
>The time was enough to almost copy the case studies, but
some people
>certainly will find problems.
>
>And yes, I passed the first time I toke it.
>
>Cheers,
>Paulo
>
>"test" <js@tryandspaam.hellorioyt.com> wrote in message
>news:uX6kFrI9CHA.2412@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> So did you pass it first time? You even had time to
write notes? Did you
>> have a time extension? You didn't have any problems
with reading in
>English?
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

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