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Take MCSD self study or take courses
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| I want to go for my MSCD.net (VB) and have done some enquiries in Gauteng
South Africa concerning costs of courses. My main concern is the fact that
for each exam a few courses are involved but the length of said courses run
only for a few days each. Comming from a VB6 background is it possible to
achieve certification in the time span of the Microsoft courses or is it
better to get all available course material and study at home.
Regards
Chris Gerhard
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| Gregory Lin 2003-02-07, 2:23 am |
| If you have $$$, I STRONGLY suggest you go for courses --- because they will
save you lot of TIME.
But, if you want to trade time for $$$, buy books and spend TIME to read
them.
Greg Lin
"Chris" <cgerhard@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
news:b1vljk$hbo$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> I want to go for my MSCD.net (VB) and have done some enquiries in Gauteng
> South Africa concerning costs of courses. My main concern is the fact that
> for each exam a few courses are involved but the length of said courses
run
> only for a few days each. Comming from a VB6 background is it possible to
> achieve certification in the time span of the Microsoft courses or is it
> better to get all available course material and study at home.
>
> Regards
> Chris Gerhard
>
>
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| I would disagree with Gregory.
IMHO, i find it easier to study for MS exams by teaching yourself. I
find it easier to concentrate more, and learn more.
I do NOT think it is possible to sit the various courses and simply
sit the exams - i think you still need to study on top of that, and i
dont think that sitting the courses will cut down that self-study all
that much.
If your company is going to pay for the courses, then you might as
well do them, however there is no way i fork out for a MS course. I
have been to quite a few, and while most of the instructers were
really good, some were either really bad (didnt know the topic as well
as they should) or really really DULL and un-interesting (which makes
it almost impossible to pay attention) or they simply read the notes
verbatim (if i paid £1200 for a course out my own pocket and the
instructer did that, i think i would explode!!)
Also, the courses listed as pre-requisites for the exams, usually
still dont cover all the topics, and generally spend to long on the
basics.
I have passed 3 C# exams so far by studying from MSDN and from the
experience in my job. If the Transenders had been released when i was
studying, i would have asked my company to get them.
Just my tuppence worth :-)
- Jamie (BSc, MCAD, MCSD, MCSE :-)
"Gregory Lin" <rainnight@excite.com> wrote in message news:<MxJ0a.19565$tq4.2197@sccrnsc01>...
> If you have $$$, I STRONGLY suggest you go for courses --- because they will
> save you lot of TIME.
>
> But, if you want to trade time for $$$, buy books and spend TIME to read
> them.
>
> Greg Lin
>
> "Chris" <cgerhard@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
> news:b1vljk$hbo$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> > I want to go for my MSCD.net (VB) and have done some enquiries in Gauteng
> > South Africa concerning costs of courses. My main concern is the fact that
> > for each exam a few courses are involved but the length of said courses
> run
> > only for a few days each. Comming from a VB6 background is it possible to
> > achieve certification in the time span of the Microsoft courses or is it
> > better to get all available course material and study at home.
> >
> > Regards
> > Chris Gerhard
> >
> >
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| Gregory Lin 2003-02-07, 1:23 pm |
| In 5-7 days, the course cover 100% of the Micrsoft MCAD/MCSD trainning kit
with hand on programming pratice.
But if you read by yourself, you probably need to spend 3-4 weeks.
If you value your time more than your money (for example, your company
assign you a task which need to be done soon and you don't have experience
in c#), you should go for the training courses.
If you have lot of spare time to study and time is not in a hurry, you could
study by reading books.
Many times you need to spend $$$ to buy TIME.
Greg
"Jamie" <jamie.moffat@infographics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:aa59b5b2.0302070509.445494b8@posting.google.com...
> I would disagree with Gregory.
>
> IMHO, i find it easier to study for MS exams by teaching yourself. I
> find it easier to concentrate more, and learn more.
>
> I do NOT think it is possible to sit the various courses and simply
> sit the exams - i think you still need to study on top of that, and i
> dont think that sitting the courses will cut down that self-study all
> that much.
>
> If your company is going to pay for the courses, then you might as
> well do them, however there is no way i fork out for a MS course. I
> have been to quite a few, and while most of the instructers were
> really good, some were either really bad (didnt know the topic as well
> as they should) or really really DULL and un-interesting (which makes
> it almost impossible to pay attention) or they simply read the notes
> verbatim (if i paid £1200 for a course out my own pocket and the
> instructer did that, i think i would explode!!)
>
> Also, the courses listed as pre-requisites for the exams, usually
> still dont cover all the topics, and generally spend to long on the
> basics.
>
> I have passed 3 C# exams so far by studying from MSDN and from the
> experience in my job. If the Transenders had been released when i was
> studying, i would have asked my company to get them.
>
> Just my tuppence worth :-)
>
> - Jamie (BSc, MCAD, MCSD, MCSE :-)
>
>
>
> "Gregory Lin" <rainnight@excite.com> wrote in message
news:<MxJ0a.19565$tq4.2197@sccrnsc01>...
> > If you have $$$, I STRONGLY suggest you go for courses --- because they
will
> > save you lot of TIME.
> >
> > But, if you want to trade time for $$$, buy books and spend TIME to read
> > them.
> >
> > Greg Lin
> >
> > "Chris" <cgerhard@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
> > news:b1vljk$hbo$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> > > I want to go for my MSCD.net (VB) and have done some enquiries in
Gauteng
> > > South Africa concerning costs of courses. My main concern is the fact
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> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Chris Gerhard
> > >
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| maybe i should have emphasised what my main point ACTUALLY was.....
i don't think it IS possible for a course to teach u enough in 5-7
days to pass an exam(s) (unless maybe one of the Developmentor
guerrilla courses if they did certification courses :-)
courses tend to gloss over everything far to quickly, and often get
side tracked by less important issues (many a time i have seen a
seasoned professional argue the most ridiculous of points with the
instructor)
if you have time to spend 5 - 7 days learning......do it yourself with
Visual Studio, MSDN and some websites like asp.net, dotnet247.com etc.
- dont waste £1200+ (especially if its your own money!!)
MS courses are good for introductions to whatever topics they cover
(this is a windows form....this is sql enterprise
manager....zzzzzz....), although i still do not think they are worth
the money.
if you plan to sit certification exams, get some hands on experience!
"Gregory Lin" <rainnight@excite.com> wrote in message news:<C9T0a.23811$tq4.2803@sccrnsc01>...
> In 5-7 days, the course cover 100% of the Micrsoft MCAD/MCSD trainning kit
> with hand on programming pratice.
>
> But if you read by yourself, you probably need to spend 3-4 weeks.
>
> If you value your time more than your money (for example, your company
> assign you a task which need to be done soon and you don't have experience
> in c#), you should go for the training courses.
>
> If you have lot of spare time to study and time is not in a hurry, you could
> study by reading books.
>
> Many times you need to spend $$$ to buy TIME.
>
>
> Greg
>
> "Jamie" <jamie.moffat@infographics.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:aa59b5b2.0302070509.445494b8@posting.google.com...
> > I would disagree with Gregory.
> >
> > IMHO, i find it easier to study for MS exams by teaching yourself. I
> > find it easier to concentrate more, and learn more.
> >
> > I do NOT think it is possible to sit the various courses and simply
> > sit the exams - i think you still need to study on top of that, and i
> > dont think that sitting the courses will cut down that self-study all
> > that much.
> >
> > If your company is going to pay for the courses, then you might as
> > well do them, however there is no way i fork out for a MS course. I
> > have been to quite a few, and while most of the instructers were
> > really good, some were either really bad (didnt know the topic as well
> > as they should) or really really DULL and un-interesting (which makes
> > it almost impossible to pay attention) or they simply read the notes
> > verbatim (if i paid £1200 for a course out my own pocket and the
> > instructer did that, i think i would explode!!)
> >
> > Also, the courses listed as pre-requisites for the exams, usually
> > still dont cover all the topics, and generally spend to long on the
> > basics.
> >
> > I have passed 3 C# exams so far by studying from MSDN and from the
> > experience in my job. If the Transenders had been released when i was
> > studying, i would have asked my company to get them.
> >
> > Just my tuppence worth :-)
> >
> > - Jamie (BSc, MCAD, MCSD, MCSE :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > "Gregory Lin" <rainnight@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:<MxJ0a.19565$tq4.2197@sccrnsc01>...
> > > If you have $$$, I STRONGLY suggest you go for courses --- because they
> will
> > > save you lot of TIME.
> > >
> > > But, if you want to trade time for $$$, buy books and spend TIME to read
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Greg Lin
> > >
> > > "Chris" <cgerhard@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
> > > news:b1vljk$hbo$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> > > > I want to go for my MSCD.net (VB) and have done some enquiries in
> Gauteng
> > > > South Africa concerning costs of courses. My main concern is the fact
> that
> > > > for each exam a few courses are involved but the length of said
> courses
> run
> > > > only for a few days each. Comming from a VB6 background is it possible
> to
> > > > achieve certification in the time span of the Microsoft courses or is
> it
> > > > better to get all available course material and study at home.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Chris Gerhard
> > > >
> > > >
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