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| I am a fresh graduate but have huge programming experience
because my life revovles round it. but nobody seem to want
to employ a fresh graduate! will any of these
certification offer me a break?
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| Alan Davis 2003-02-04, 7:23 am |
| >I am a fresh graduate but have huge programming experience
>because my life revovles round it.
Developing software is not just about 'programming' (I'm sure you were
taught that during your degree), in fact it is really quite a small
(but vital!) part part of most software development processes.
>but nobody seem to want
>to employ a fresh graduate! will any of these
>certification offer me a break?
With certs help? Won't do you any harm, however you have no[real
world] experience, this is what you really need. Best advice would be
under cut (salary wise) other applicants applying for any junior roles
, by that I mean be prepared to take a [very] low starting salary.
Once you get some world experience, coupled with some business
knowledge, you will be in a better position to negotiate a higher
salary and a more rewarding role.
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| Mike Barreyre 2003-02-04, 9:23 am |
| Excellent advise, Alan. When I was working my way through college working
on my computer science degree I took a job as a 3rd-shift computer operator
at $6.25 US (about 3.8 GBP) just to get some hand-on experience in the
computing field. That job led to another operator job, which thru contacts,
led to my first software engineering job while still finishing college doing
Unix work in telecommunications. I was very lucky there! I finished the
degree and kept working my way up year after year, and my self-education has
never stopped. I feel despite having the degree that I'm still 90%
self-taught in computers! Definitely true in everything Microsoft.
Looking forward to getting back to the U.K. again for a visit!
-Mike in Texas
"Alan Davis" <.> wrote in message
news:63ev3vscb51pboqmpo90jig9v
cm6j51s0i@4ax.com...
> >I am a fresh graduate but have huge programming experience
> >because my life revovles round it.
>
> Developing software is not just about 'programming' (I'm sure you were
> taught that during your degree), in fact it is really quite a small
> (but vital!) part part of most software development processes.
>
> >but nobody seem to want
> >to employ a fresh graduate! will any of these
> >certification offer me a break?
>
> With certs help? Won't do you any harm, however you have no[real
> world] experience, this is what you really need. Best advice would be
> under cut (salary wise) other applicants applying for any junior roles
> , by that I mean be prepared to take a [very] low starting salary.
> Once you get some world experience, coupled with some business
> knowledge, you will be in a better position to negotiate a higher
> salary and a more rewarding role.
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| Alan Davis 2003-02-04, 11:23 am |
| Luck does come in to it, and once you get the break it's important not
to let go, especially now! I don't see another 'dot com' boom around
the corner, once bitten, twice....
I would say it Texas, the UK is a dump and is quite simply falling
apart. Last week the country ground to a halt after a few inches of
snow! Every year I hear of old friends/work colleagues packing up and
heading away, even my 'true Brit' cousin moves to 'France' (of all
places!!) next month. So no, stay in Texas.
On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 15:22:50 GMT, "Mike Barreyre"
< globally_unique_identifier@yah
oo.com> wrote:
>Excellent advise, Alan. When I was working my way through college working
>on my computer science degree I took a job as a 3rd-shift computer operator
>at $6.25 US (about 3.8 GBP) just to get some hand-on experience in the
>computing field. That job led to another operator job, which thru contacts,
>led to my first software engineering job while still finishing college doing
>Unix work in telecommunications. I was very lucky there! I finished the
>degree and kept working my way up year after year, and my self-education has
>never stopped. I feel despite having the degree that I'm still 90%
>self-taught in computers! Definitely true in everything Microsoft.
>
>Looking forward to getting back to the U.K. again for a visit!
>-Mike in Texas
>
>"Alan Davis" <.> wrote in message
> news:63ev3vscb51pboqmpo90jig9v
cm6j51s0i@4ax.com...
>> >I am a fresh graduate but have huge programming experience
>> >because my life revovles round it.
>>
>> Developing software is not just about 'programming' (I'm sure you were
>> taught that during your degree), in fact it is really quite a small
>> (but vital!) part part of most software development processes.
>>
>> >but nobody seem to want
>> >to employ a fresh graduate! will any of these
>> >certification offer me a break?
>>
>> With certs help? Won't do you any harm, however you have no[real
>> world] experience, this is what you really need. Best advice would be
>> under cut (salary wise) other applicants applying for any junior roles
>> , by that I mean be prepared to take a [very] low starting salary.
>> Once you get some world experience, coupled with some business
>> knowledge, you will be in a better position to negotiate a higher
>> salary and a more rewarding role.
>
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| Mike Barreyre 2003-02-04, 11:23 am |
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"Alan Davis" <.> wrote in message
news:3qpv3v0pr3ma4ni66l7732tc2
flvhvskod@4ax.com...
> Luck does come in to it, and once you get the break it's important not
> to let go, especially now! I don't see another 'dot com' boom around
> the corner, once bitten, twice....
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I kinda feel sorry for people starting out in
their careers now. I haven't seen things worse economically for technical
people than they are now.
> I would say it Texas, the UK is a dump and is quite simply falling
> apart. Last week the country ground to a halt after a few inches of
> snow! Every year I hear of old friends/work colleagues packing up and
> heading away, even my 'true Brit' cousin moves to 'France' (of all
> places!!) next month. So no, stay in Texas.
>
I plan to do just that. Man, I feel your pain! I love the people and the
countryside in England (last time there I drove about 2000 miles over the
South & Southeastern parts, then up into Wales and even into Ireland--loved
every minute of it!!!), but I wouldn't be able to stand the government if I
lived there. Too much taxation, socialism, and too little freedom! But I
love being there and the history just blows me away. My ancestors on my
mom's side came from there. Sorry to hear about your friend moving to
France. I wonder if he'll like that...
-Mike
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