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| Hi all,
I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to follow
the following sequence of exams.
70-315
70-316
70-320
Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning to
go for the following:
70-229
70-300
Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
MCAD also)
TIA,
FOB
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| Antonio Ambrosio 2003-02-16, 6:23 pm |
| No, this is not the right sequence. To be MCAD You should follow this order:
70-315 or 70-316
70-320
70-229
Then You can take 70-300 and the test left between 315 and 316 to get MCSD
cert.
If You follow your order, You will be MCAD only when You get the MCSD cert.
Another way to get MCAD cert is to take instead 70-229 exam a vb.net exam
(70-305 or 70-306).
Regards
Antonio Ambrosio
MCAD - MCP
To be MCAD you should
"FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:#qrP5oW1CHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> Hi all,
> I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to follow
> the following sequence of exams.
>
> 70-315
> 70-316
> 70-320
>
> Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning to
> go for the following:
>
> 70-229
> 70-300
>
> Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
> above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
> MCAD also)
>
> TIA,
> FOB
>
>
| |
| Christopher Hance 2003-02-16, 11:23 pm |
| I believe you're a bit confused. The requirement is that you not use (two
web-based exams) or (two windows-based exams) to meet the requirements. 305
(VB.NET Web Apps) and 315 (C# Web Apps) are considered equivalent exams, but
translated into another language much as a spoken language would be. The
measured skills are basically the same, just with a different syntax. 306
(VB.NET Windows Apps) and 316 (C# Windows Apps) are the other pair that
cannot count as a core and an elective.
So the following are valid for MCAD (assuming 320 is constant):
70-305 (VB.Net Web Apps)
70-306 (VB.Net Windows Apps)
70-320 (C# XML)
70-315 (C# Web Apps)
70-316 (C# Windows Apps)
70-320 (C# XML)
70-305 (VB.Net Web Apps)
70-316 (C# Windows Apps)
70-320 (C# XML)
70-315 (C# Web Apps)
70-306 (VB.Net Windows Apps)
70-320 (C# XML)
Note that you'll still need a non-programming elective before getting
MCSD.NET, and I passed 70-229 on the first attempt and consider it a
worthwhile exam. But, you can get MCAD using only programming exams (a Web,
a Windows, and an XML).
--
Christopher Hance
chris@acceleration.net
MCP: IIS4 (087), SQL Design (229), SQL Admin (228)
"Antonio Ambrosio" <nospam@libero.it> wrote in message
news:#6F8wXh1CHA.1928@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> No, this is not the right sequence. To be MCAD You should follow this
order:
>
> 70-315 or 70-316
> 70-320
> 70-229
>
> Then You can take 70-300 and the test left between 315 and 316 to get MCSD
> cert.
>
> If You follow your order, You will be MCAD only when You get the MCSD
cert.
> Another way to get MCAD cert is to take instead 70-229 exam a vb.net exam
> (70-305 or 70-306).
>
> Regards
>
> Antonio Ambrosio
> MCAD - MCP
| |
|
| You are right. The combinations below will achieve MCAD, then MCSD.NET. I
intend to do the same combination for MCAD, I completed the 70-316 so far.
"FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:#qrP5oW1CHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> Hi all,
> I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to follow
> the following sequence of exams.
>
> 70-315
> 70-316
> 70-320
>
> Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning to
> go for the following:
>
> 70-229
> 70-300
>
> Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
> above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
> MCAD also)
>
> TIA,
> FOB
>
>
| |
| Christopher Hance 2003-02-16, 11:23 pm |
| There are two basic tracks:
1) web development, application development, and XML development
2) web or application development, XML development, and non-programming
elective
You can pick whichever language you want for each development category.
(a|b): pick one
(web), (windows), (xml)
(305|315), (306|316), (310|320)
(web|windows), (xml), (non-programming elective)
(305|306|315|316), (310|320), (229,230,234)
--
Christopher Hance
chris@acceleration.net
MCP: IIS4 (087), SQL Design (229), SQL Admin (228)
| |
| Cindy Winegarden 2003-02-16, 11:23 pm |
| MCAD is the "lower" level of certification. From
http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/...equirements.asp it requires:
1. One of 70-305, 70-306, 70-315, 70-316
2. One of 70-310, 70-320
3. One of 70-229, 70-230, 70-234 - or -
If you used 70-305 or 70-315 (Web), one of 70-306, 70-316 (Windows)
If you used 70-306, 70-316 (Windows), one of 70-305, 70-315 (Web)
MCSD is the "higher" level of certification. From
http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/...mentsdotnet.asp it
requires :
1. Two of 70-305, 70-306, 70-315, 70-316 where one is Web and the other is
Windows.
2. One of 70-310, 70-320 (XML and Server)
3. 70-300
4. One of 70-229, 70-230, 70-234
The original poster wanted to first be MCAD with a Web, a Windows, and an
XML/Server, which will fulfill the requirements. Then he wanted to add
70-229 (SQLServer) and 70-300 (Solution Architectures), which will give him
an MCSD.
--
Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
Author: "Microsoft Visual FoxPro Certification Exams Study Guide"
cindy.winegarden@mvps.org http://cindywinegarden.adsl.duke.edu
http://mdsn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro http://foxcentral.net
"Antonio Ambrosio" <nospam@libero.it> wrote in message
news:#6F8wXh1CHA.1928@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> No, this is not the right sequence. To be MCAD You should follow this
> order:
>
> 70-315 or 70-316
> 70-320
> 70-229
>
> Then You can take 70-300 and the test left between 315 and 316 to get MCSD
> cert.
>
> If You follow your order, You will be MCAD only when You get the MCSD
> cert.
> Another way to get MCAD cert is to take instead 70-229 exam a vb.net exam
> (70-305 or 70-306).
> "FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:#qrP5oW1CHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to
> > follow
> > the following sequence of exams.
> >
> > 70-315
> > 70-316
> > 70-320
> >
> > Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning
> > to
> > go for the following:
> >
> > 70-229
> > 70-300
> >
> > Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
> > above exams?
| |
| Alan Davis 2003-02-17, 1:23 am |
| > I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD.
ummm... But you do not know what is required, how interesting....
To answer your three questions (in order) Yes, it's up to you, Yes.
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:19:52 -0500, "FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Hi all,
>I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to follow
>the following sequence of exams.
>
>70-315
>70-316
>70-320
>
>Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning to
>go for the following:
>
>70-229
>70-300
>
>Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
>above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
>MCAD also)
>
>TIA,
>FOB
>
| |
|
| Alan, there is no point for such remarks "But you do not know what is
required, how interesting".
That person probably just wanted a confirmation. It would not be nice to
know that the combination is wrong after studying for months and spending x
amount to find out that you went for the wrong exams. Also, the exam
requirements are a little bit confusing. Ok, just a very little bit
confusing  There are also people who never worked with Microsoft
technologies and never took any Microsoft exams who are just getting into
those things.
"Alan Davis" <T> wrote in message
news:1v215v8hknid2s10a3gk6jsod
6gf322etb@4ax.com...
> > I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD.
>
> ummm... But you do not know what is required, how interesting....
>
> To answer your three questions (in order) Yes, it's up to you, Yes.
>
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:19:52 -0500, "FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to follow
> >the following sequence of exams.
> >
> >70-315
> >70-316
> >70-320
> >
> >Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning
to
> >go for the following:
> >
> >70-229
> >70-300
> >
> >Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
> >above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
> >MCAD also)
> >
> >TIA,
> >FOB
> >
>
| |
| Alan Davis 2003-02-17, 2:23 am |
| Too me the question was stupid, and shows a luck of initiative. But
yes, it was pointless of me bothering to reply.
The exam requirements are not confusing at all.
For people, as you put it, "who never worked with Microsoft
"technologies and never took any Microsoft exams who are just getting
into those things", I would have thought they would have 'discovered'
more about the first steps in the microsoft certification 'experience'
from co-workers or from the microsoft site, rather than some obscure
ng.
Anyway, sorry if my remark offended you.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:30:05 -0800, "mike" <mike@mikeworld.com> wrote:
>Alan, there is no point for such remarks "But you do not know what is
>required, how interesting".
>
>That person probably just wanted a confirmation. It would not be nice to
>know that the combination is wrong after studying for months and spending x
>amount to find out that you went for the wrong exams. Also, the exam
>requirements are a little bit confusing. Ok, just a very little bit
>confusing There are also people who never worked with Microsoft
>technologies and never took any Microsoft exams who are just getting into
>those things.
>
>
>"Alan Davis" <T> wrote in message
> news:1v215v8hknid2s10a3gk6jsod
6gf322etb@4ax.com...
>> > I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD.
>>
>> ummm... But you do not know what is required, how interesting....
>>
>> To answer your three questions (in order) Yes, it's up to you, Yes.
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:19:52 -0500, "FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi all,
>> >I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to follow
>> >the following sequence of exams.
>> >
>> >70-315
>> >70-316
>> >70-320
>> >
>> >Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning
> to
>> >go for the following:
>> >
>> >70-229
>> >70-300
>> >
>> >Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
>> >above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
>> >MCAD also)
>> >
>> >TIA,
>> >FOB
>> >
>>
>
| |
| Raphael Iloh 2003-02-17, 6:23 am |
| see http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/...equirements.asp for further
information, the site is quite explanatory on this matter.
Regards, Raphael (www.ilohraphael.net) (MVP C#)
"FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:#qrP5oW1CHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> Hi all,
> I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to follow
> the following sequence of exams.
>
> 70-315
> 70-316
> 70-320
>
> Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning to
> go for the following:
>
> 70-229
> 70-300
>
> Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
> above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
> MCAD also)
>
> TIA,
> FOB
>
>
| |
|
| "Alan Davis" <T> wrote in message
news:v3515vgoeig4tan3g61vbajdc
j0g64cve1@4ax.com...
> The exam requirements are not confusing at all.
I disagree. The C#/VB.Net mutual exclusion is unusual and I think the
requirement formatting on some of the MS pages is misleading. I believe I've
posted an incorrect description of certification requirements on this group,
and I've also corrected people with even more certification related
experience than I have (online and offline).
I think there are plenty of dumber questions here for you to pick on.
| |
| Alan Davis 2003-02-17, 12:23 pm |
| >> The exam requirements are not confusing at all.
>
>I disagree. The C#/VB.Net mutual exclusion is unusual and I think the
>requirement formatting on some of the MS pages is misleading. I believe I've
>posted an incorrect description of certification requirements on this group,
>and I've also corrected people with even more certification related
>experience than I have (online and offline).
Everyone to there own.
>I think there are plenty of dumber questions here for you to pick on.
Sad but very true.....
| |
|
| "Alan Davis" <T> wrote in message
news:ag625vs92tmled96r2t8jofld
2mraoklnc@4ax.com... [colo
r=darkred]
> >> The exam requirements are not confusing at all.
> >
> >I disagree. The C#/VB.Net mutual exclusion is unusual and I think the
> >requirement formatting on some of the MS pages is misleading. I believe[/color]
I've
> >posted an incorrect description of certification requirements on this
group,
> >and I've also corrected people with even more certification related
> >experience than I have (online and offline).
>
> Everyone to there own.
Absolutely. For me, there/their/they're is very easy!
Also easy for me is that 'everyone' is singular and 'their' is plural. But I
understand that this isn't so obvious and some people deliberately prefer
political over grammatical correctness.
But, as you meant to say, everyone to his own. 
| |
| Alan Davis 2003-02-17, 1:23 pm |
| On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:12:17 -0700, "Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote:
>"Alan Davis" <T> wrote in message
> news:ag625vs92tmled96r2t8jofld
2mraoklnc@4ax.com...
>> >> The exam requirements are not confusing at all.
>> >
>> >I disagree. The C#/VB.Net mutual exclusion is unusual and I think the
>> >requirement formatting on some of the MS pages is misleading. I believe
> I've
>> >posted an incorrect description of certification requirements on this
> group,
>> >and I've also corrected people with even more certification related
>> >experience than I have (online and offline).
>>
>> Everyone to there own.
>
>Absolutely. For me, there/their/they're is very easy!
>
>Also easy for me is that 'everyone' is singular and 'their' is plural. But I
>understand that this isn't so obvious and some people deliberately prefer
>political over grammatical correctness.
>
>But, as you meant to say, everyone to his own.
>
Two rite!
| |
| Glenn D. Crosse 2003-02-17, 1:23 pm |
| The requirements are not totally obvious.
I remember making a post to you early last summer asking for clarification.
I felt it would be better to ask rather than risk taking the wrong exam to
complete the MCAD.
I appreciated your response at the time.
In retrospect, the requirements seem straightforward, but that is in
retrospect.
Everyone to her own.
Glenn
"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
news:#BX#MAr1CHA.1912@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> "Alan Davis" <T> wrote in message
> news:ag625vs92tmled96r2t8jofld
2mraoklnc@4ax.com...
> > >> The exam requirements are not confusing at all.
> > >
> > >I disagree. The C#/VB.Net mutual exclusion is unusual and I think the
> > >requirement formatting on some of the MS pages is misleading. I believe
> I've
> > >posted an incorrect description of certification requirements on this
> group,
> > >and I've also corrected people with even more certification related
> > >experience than I have (online and offline).
> >
> > Everyone to there own.
>
> Absolutely. For me, there/their/they're is very easy!
>
> Also easy for me is that 'everyone' is singular and 'their' is plural. But
I
> understand that this isn't so obvious and some people deliberately prefer
> political over grammatical correctness.
>
> But, as you meant to say, everyone to his own.
>
>
| |
| Alan Davis 2003-02-17, 1:23 pm |
| Would you rather it be back to days when you could be mcsd with three
vb exams plus the core?
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:17:34 -0700, "Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote:
>"Alan Davis" <T> wrote in message
> news:v3515vgoeig4tan3g61vbajdc
j0g64cve1@4ax.com...
>
>> The exam requirements are not confusing at all.
>
>I disagree. The C#/VB.Net mutual exclusion is unusual and I think the
>requirement formatting on some of the MS pages is misleading. I believe I've
>posted an incorrect description of certification requirements on this group,
>and I've also corrected people with even more certification related
>experience than I have (online and offline).
>
>I think there are plenty of dumber questions here for you to pick on.
>
| |
| Alan Davis 2003-02-17, 1:23 pm |
| What is so unclear about "
Exam 70-305*, 70-306*, 70-315*, or 70-316*
If you use Exam 70-305 or 70-315 to satisfy the core exam requirement,
you may use either Exam 70-306 or 70-316 as an elective.
If you use Exam 70-306 or 70-316 to satisfy the core exam requirement,
you may use either Exam 70-305 or 70-315 as an elective.
"
If a think shit such myself (as Tim would agree), can understand the
above, why can't anyone else? After all it's only three exams!
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:27:14 +0000, Alan Davis <™> wrote:
>Would you rather it be back to days when you could be mcsd with three
>vb exams plus the core?
>
>On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:17:34 -0700, "Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote:
>
>>"Alan Davis" <T> wrote in message
>> news:v3515vgoeig4tan3g61vbajdc
j0g64cve1@4ax.com...
>>
>>> The exam requirements are not confusing at all.
>>
>>I disagree. The C#/VB.Net mutual exclusion is unusual and I think the
>>requirement formatting on some of the MS pages is misleading. I believe I've
>>posted an incorrect description of certification requirements on this group,
>>and I've also corrected people with even more certification related
>>experience than I have (online and offline).
>>
>>I think there are plenty of dumber questions here for you to pick on.
>>
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| I'm taking the same path. In the hindsight, it's apparent that I should have
taken 70-316 first.
For some reason 316 is 1 hour longer. 315 just builds on top of 316 (minus
webforms).
Cheers,
E.
"FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:#qrP5oW1CHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> Hi all,
> I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to follow
> the following sequence of exams.
>
> 70-315
> 70-316
> 70-320
>
> Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning to
> go for the following:
>
> 70-229
> 70-300
>
> Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
> above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
> MCAD also)
>
> TIA,
> FOB
>
>
| |
| monday 2003-02-21, 8:23 pm |
| 316 is one hour longer than 315?
"E & O" <no1@antispam.org> wrote in message
news:##PHdjf2CHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I'm taking the same path. In the hindsight, it's apparent that I should
have
> taken 70-316 first.
> For some reason 316 is 1 hour longer. 315 just builds on top of 316 (minus
> webforms).
>
> Cheers,
> E.
>
> "FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:#qrP5oW1CHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > Hi all,
> > I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to
follow
> > the following sequence of exams.
> >
> > 70-315
> > 70-316
> > 70-320
> >
> > Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am planning
to
> > go for the following:
> >
> > 70-229
> > 70-300
> >
> > Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all the
> > above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted toward
> > MCAD also)
> >
> > TIA,
> > FOB
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| E & O 2003-02-22, 10:23 am |
| Mine for some reason was. I passed so I didn't rise the question.
"monday" <monday@week.com> wrote in message
news:eDdD$Lh2CHA.1904@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> 316 is one hour longer than 315?
>
>
> "E & O" <no1@antispam.org> wrote in message
> news:##PHdjf2CHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > I'm taking the same path. In the hindsight, it's apparent that I should
> have
> > taken 70-316 first.
> > For some reason 316 is 1 hour longer. 315 just builds on top of 316
(minus
> > webforms).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > E.
> >
> > "FOB" <fob_in_states@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:#qrP5oW1CHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > Hi all,
> > > I am going for MCAD and will eventually target MCSD. I am going to
> follow
> > > the following sequence of exams.
> > >
> > > 70-315
> > > 70-316
> > > 70-320
> > >
> > > Once I get these three, I will be MCAD, right? After that I am
planning
> to
> > > go for the following:
> > >
> > > 70-229
> > > 70-300
> > >
> > > Will it be a right sequence?? and will I be an MCSD once I clear all
the[c
olor=darkred]
> > > above exams? (Provided that the first three exams will be counted[/color]
toward
> > > MCAD also)
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > FOB
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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