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| Jeremy Zongker 2003-02-08, 9:23 am |
| I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes available. Could
someone (preferably someone who took the beta) suggest some good study
material other than the endless web of
htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could someone give me an
example of the type of (not actual) questions to expect? I've heard it's
like four case studies with about five questions on each?
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| Keith Nicholson 2003-02-08, 9:23 am |
| Jeremy
Some of us would love to suggest what to study, yet until we know we have
passed, then you may be getting the wrong advice.
That said, there are some here who have been excellent at providing advice
on other exams. Search in here for comments like "thanks" to Tim, Jason,
and a few others. They each have been good at documenting their approach.
I think Tim's is at www.codeclinic.com (is that right Tim?).
For myself, I have been working with .Net for three years, been programming
for eight professionally (i.e. out of college), archeticting for six, and
training others on MSF. I suggest taking the other .Net exams before you
take this one. It is good to know what the tools can do. Have you done
this yet?
Are you currently a MCSD? If so 300 is a lot like 100.
How long have you been developing? How long have you been studying MSF? If
your just getting into this, take your time. Let some others take the exam
and provide some recommendations for study guides.
You may even look for a 70-100 book which is probably starting to get
discounted at stores. It would help you on the designing aspect of the exam
and might even provide sample questions in the form of actual exam. You are
essentially correct in your understanding of the questions. The number will
actually be higher for the questions and they are not like questions on
other exams.
Go to
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...n&FamilyID=7F5C
81AE-168D-4592-99BC-E43D2882DFD3
for some example formats based on 70-100. You might even be able to get the
70-100 Trancender or Measure Up for a good price. I always recommend
Transcender 70-100 exam as a sample of the test.
Please, stay away from braindumps. You can do it!
Peace,
Keith Nicholson, MCSD, MCAD
"Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Lr81a.8785$qY4.761@news2.central.cox.net...
> I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes available. Could
> someone (preferably someone who took the beta) suggest some good study
> material other than the endless web of
> htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could someone give me an
> example of the type of (not actual) questions to expect? I've heard it's
> like four case studies with about five questions on each?
>
>
| |
| Gregory Lin 2003-02-08, 11:23 am |
| "Three years in .NET" ...??? That's the MOST experience I had ever heard
from any person.
I thought .net beta release for public test in early 2001 (except few
outdated old initial .net beta in 2000 and noone really cares), vs.net beta
release for public test in mid 2001 and vs.net officially release in feb
2002. And now is Feb 2003.
Forget about MSF. There is no test on MSF in either 70-100 or 70-300. You
just need to know the whole software life cycle, just the knowledge every
college graduate major in Computer Science will learn from software
engineering. MSF is just a kind of MS implementation of the software life
cycle. And in real world, I hadn't found any company use MSF (except
Microsoft?). But most companies use the word "software life cycle".
I had written two commecial software when I was in freshman of high school.
I could tell people such such such as experience, etc. But I never because
I have confidence inside myself and I don't need to bullshit.
MCSD is just a paper that tell others the certified person has the
neccessary knowledge MS want him/her to know about programming in that exam.
Just like a B.Sc degree that tells people the person has the neccessary
knowledge the college want the student to know. Earning a BSc doesn't tell
people how much experience you need to have before you get this degree.
Greg Lin
"Keith Nicholson" <knicholson@ksdynamics.com> wrote in message
news:#PDSuT4zCHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP11...
> Jeremy
>
> Some of us would love to suggest what to study, yet until we know we have
> passed, then you may be getting the wrong advice.
>
> That said, there are some here who have been excellent at providing advice
> on other exams. Search in here for comments like "thanks" to Tim, Jason,
> and a few others. They each have been good at documenting their approach.
> I think Tim's is at www.codeclinic.com (is that right Tim?).
>
> For myself, I have been working with .Net for three years, been
programming
> for eight professionally (i.e. out of college), archeticting for six, and
> training others on MSF. I suggest taking the other .Net exams before you
> take this one. It is good to know what the tools can do. Have you done
> this yet?
>
> Are you currently a MCSD? If so 300 is a lot like 100.
>
> How long have you been developing? How long have you been studying MSF?
If
> your just getting into this, take your time. Let some others take the
exam
> and provide some recommendations for study guides.
>
> You may even look for a 70-100 book which is probably starting to get
> discounted at stores. It would help you on the designing aspect of the
exam
> and might even provide sample questions in the form of actual exam. You
are
> essentially correct in your understanding of the questions. The number
will
> actually be higher for the questions and they are not like questions on
> other exams.
>
> Go to
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...n&FamilyID=7F5C
> 81AE-168D-4592-99BC-E43D2882DFD3
> for some example formats based on 70-100. You might even be able to get
the
> 70-100 Trancender or Measure Up for a good price. I always recommend
> Transcender 70-100 exam as a sample of the test.
>
> Please, stay away from braindumps. You can do it!
>
> Peace,
> Keith Nicholson, MCSD, MCAD
>
>
> "Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Lr81a.8785$qY4.761@news2.central.cox.net...
> > I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes available. Could
> > someone (preferably someone who took the beta) suggest some good study
> > material other than the endless web of
> > htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could someone give me an
> > example of the type of (not actual) questions to expect? I've heard
it's
> > like four case studies with about five questions on each?
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Michael Favro 2003-02-08, 12:23 pm |
|
>-----Original Message-----
>"Three years in .NET" ...??? That's the MOST experience
I had ever heard
>from any person.
>
>I thought .net beta release for public test in early 2001
(except few
>outdated old initial .net beta in 2000 and noone really
cares), vs.net beta
>release for public test in mid 2001 and vs.net officially
release in feb
>2002. And now is Feb 2003.
I think that the initial beta was more like beta 2 than it
was VS6.0, so if Keith got in at that time, that puts him
in a better position than developers who didn't get in
until beta 2 or later. It was still .NET. And if this
gives him a leg up on those who "only" have two years
experience, then he probably cares!
>
>Forget about MSF. There is no test on MSF in either 70-
100 or 70-300. You
>just need to know the whole software life cycle, just the
knowledge every
>college graduate major in Computer Science will learn
from software
>engineering. MSF is just a kind of MS implementation of
the software life
>cycle. And in real world, I hadn't found any company use
MSF (except
>Microsoft?). But most companies use the word "software
life cycle".
I'd be careful about saying "Forget about MSF." Just
like -100, there are a few questions where you will need
to know, in particular, the Process Model - what the
phases are and the deliverables for each phase. The
questions aren't that detailed. You're right that MSF is
MS's spin on the SDLC (like you, I've never been on a
project where we "used" MSF, but we used some similar
methodology), but for the exam you should have a
familiarity with Microsoft's terminology.
>
>I had written two commecial software when I was in
freshman of high school.
>I could tell people such such such as experience, etc.
But I never because
>I have confidence inside myself and I don't need to
bullshit.
I don't think Keith was BS'ing. If you have the
experience, it should certainly go on your resume,
especially if it's relevant to the job you're seeking. I
think all Keith was doing was laying out his general
experience, which is relevant to this exam (see Audience
Profile on the exam prep guide).
>
>MCSD is just a paper that tell others the certified
person has the
>neccessary knowledge MS want him/her to know about
programming in that exam.
>Just like a B.Sc degree that tells people the person has
the neccessary
>knowledge the college want the student to know. Earning
a BSc doesn't tell
>people how much experience you need to have before you
get this degree.
Yes, MCSD is just a paper. It's not a substitute for
experience. But in the process of studying for the exams,
if you do it right, you learn so much. True, I know some
non-certified developers who are better than some
certified developers. And vice-versa. And some you can't
tell the difference. ("Now some they do and some they
don't. And some you just can't tell.")
But I know from my own experience that the certification
process has made me more well-rounded (contrary to popular
belief that it was the Doritos and Coke that made me that
way). It gives you knowledge of tools and approaches that
you might not otherwise know to use or think to use to
solve your everyday problems.
>
>
>Greg Lin
>
>
>"Keith Nicholson" <knicholson@ksdynamics.com> wrote in
message
>news:#PDSuT4zCHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP11...
>> Jeremy
>>
>> Some of us would love to suggest what to study, yet
until we know we have
>> passed, then you may be getting the wrong advice.
>>
>> That said, there are some here who have been excellent
at providing advice
>> on other exams. Search in here for comments
like "thanks" to Tim, Jason,
>> and a few others. They each have been good at
documenting their approach.
>> I think Tim's is at www.codeclinic.com (is that right
Tim?).
>>
>> For myself, I have been working with .Net for three
years, been
>programming
>> for eight professionally (i.e. out of college),
archeticting for six, and
>> training others on MSF. I suggest taking the
other .Net exams before you
>> take this one. It is good to know what the tools can
do. Have you done
>> this yet?
>>
>> Are you currently a MCSD? If so 300 is a lot like 100.
>>
>> How long have you been developing? How long have you
been studying MSF?
>If
>> your just getting into this, take your time. Let some
others take the
>exam
>> and provide some recommendations for study guides.
>>
>> You may even look for a 70-100 book which is probably
starting to get
>> discounted at stores. It would help you on the
designing aspect of the
>exam
>> and might even provide sample questions in the form of
actual exam. You
>are
>> essentially correct in your understanding of the
questions. The number
>will
>> actually be higher for the questions and they are not
like questions on
>> other exams.
>>
>> Go to
>>
>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?
displaylang=en& FamilyID=7F5C[colo
r=green]
>> 81AE-168D-4592-99BC-E43D2882DFD3
>> for some example formats based on 70-100. You might[/color]
even be able to get
>the
>> 70-100 Trancender or Measure Up for a good price. I
always recommend
>> Transcender 70-100 exam as a sample of the test.
>>
>> Please, stay away from braindumps. You can do it!
>>
>> Peace,
>> Keith Nicholson, MCSD, MCAD
>>
>>
>> "Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:Lr81a.8785$qY4.761@news2.central.cox.net...
>> > I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes
available. Could
>> > someone (preferably someone who took the beta)
suggest some good study
>> > material other than the endless web of
>> > htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could
someone give me an[co
lor=darkred]
>> > example of the type of (not actual) questions to[/color]
expect? I've heard
> it's
>> > like four case studies with about five questions on
each? [colo
r=darkred]
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>[/color]
| |
| Alan Davis 2003-02-08, 12:23 pm |
| >I thought .net beta release for public test in early 2001 (except few
>outdated old initial .net beta in 2000 and noone really cares)
Ah ya.. I remember dot net sdk release just after the Orlando pdc
(July 2000?). Quickly tried out the c# compiler on a test win2k
machine, result - first time I saw non beta win2k machine 'restart
itself' without the bsod!!!
>Forget about MSF. There is no test on MSF in either 70-100 or 70-300. You
>just need to know the whole software life cycle, just the knowledge every
>college graduate major in Computer Science will learn from software
>engineering. MSF is just a kind of MS implementation of the software life
>cycle. And in real world, I hadn't found any company use MSF (except
>Microsoft?). But most companies use the word "software life cycle".
>
The MSF is microsoft's own process model which seems to be based on
the 'win win spiral model'. All companies, who take the development of
software serious (I do believe there are one or two), produce their
own model which is intended to solve business problems through the use
of software. Many companies use their own process model based around
the spiral process model, because it is well suited to object oriented
practices, microsoft are just one of those companies.
It seems a contradiction to say 'Forget about MSF' and then say 'You
just need to know the whole software life cycle'. In 70-100 you did
not need to know anything about 'software processes' or 'software life
cycle'.
>MCSD is just a paper that tell others the certified person has the
>neccessary knowledge MS want him/her to know about programming in that exam.
Very true.
>Just like a B.Sc degree that tells people the person has the neccessary
>knowledge the college want the student to know. Earning a BSc doesn't tell
>people how much experience you need to have before you get this degree.
It proves that the person can take in and understands information and
recall that information - meaning they can be taught. Companies can
then feel reasonable sure when hiring a grad, that the company will be
able to mould that grad into an employee of the company.
| |
| Jeremy Zongker 2003-02-08, 12:23 pm |
| You should at least be able to tell if what you studied was covered on
the test. I'm looking more just for specific topics than actual study
guides, although those would be extremly useful. I've been programming for
about six years, "officially" for the last three. And I've been doing
nothing but .NET since beta two was released (around June of 2001 I
think.?). I have MCSE and MCAD already and this is the final test I need
for MCSD.NET, but I don't have MCSD and haven't already taken the 70-100
test. I've been told the tests are similar but the study material for
70-100 won't help much for 70-300, which I don't get.
My official title includes "architecting" our apps and training the
other developers, but I must admit I haven't really followed any official
method of doing so up to now. We have business analyst who do most of the
project management so I'm weak in that area as well. I have passed 70-229
and think I know most of the db design related issues on this test, but I
really don't know what else to expect. That's the details I'm looking for
now. BTW, I've never heard of MSF (or don't recoqnise the abbreviation).
Can someone explain what it is?
"Keith Nicholson" <knicholson@ksdynamics.com> wrote in message
news:#PDSuT4zCHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP11...
> Jeremy
>
> Some of us would love to suggest what to study, yet until we know we have
> passed, then you may be getting the wrong advice.
>
> That said, there are some here who have been excellent at providing advice
> on other exams. Search in here for comments like "thanks" to Tim, Jason,
> and a few others. They each have been good at documenting their approach.
> I think Tim's is at www.codeclinic.com (is that right Tim?).
>
> For myself, I have been working with .Net for three years, been
programming
> for eight professionally (i.e. out of college), archeticting for six, and
> training others on MSF. I suggest taking the other .Net exams before you
> take this one. It is good to know what the tools can do. Have you done
> this yet?
>
> Are you currently a MCSD? If so 300 is a lot like 100.
>
> How long have you been developing? How long have you been studying MSF?
If
> your just getting into this, take your time. Let some others take the
exam
> and provide some recommendations for study guides.
>
> You may even look for a 70-100 book which is probably starting to get
> discounted at stores. It would help you on the designing aspect of the
exam
> and might even provide sample questions in the form of actual exam. You
are
> essentially correct in your understanding of the questions. The number
will
> actually be higher for the questions and they are not like questions on
> other exams.
>
> Go to
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...n&FamilyID=7F5C
> 81AE-168D-4592-99BC-E43D2882DFD3
> for some example formats based on 70-100. You might even be able to get
the
> 70-100 Trancender or Measure Up for a good price. I always recommend
> Transcender 70-100 exam as a sample of the test.
>
> Please, stay away from braindumps. You can do it!
>
> Peace,
> Keith Nicholson, MCSD, MCAD
>
>
> "Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Lr81a.8785$qY4.761@news2.central.cox.net...
> > I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes available. Could
> > someone (preferably someone who took the beta) suggest some good study
> > material other than the endless web of
> > htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could someone give me an
> > example of the type of (not actual) questions to expect? I've heard
it's
> > like four case studies with about five questions on each?
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Danut 2003-02-08, 12:23 pm |
| "Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
news:txb1a.9225$qY4.389@news2.central.cox.net...
>BTW, I've never heard of MSF (or don't recoqnise the abbreviation).
> Can someone explain what it is?
"The Microsoft Solutions Framework (MSF) provides proven practices for
planning, building, and deploying a variety of technology solutions,
combining aspects of software design and development and building and
deploying infrastructure into a single project lifecycle for guiding
technology solutions of all kinds. MSF helps organizations achieve a
delicate balance of flexibility while meeting commitments; speed while
minimizing risk. "
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tr...chnet/itsolutio
ns/tandp/innsol/default.asp
| |
| Keith Nicholson 2003-02-08, 1:23 pm |
| Michael and Alan,
Thanks for the backup!
Greg, why the harsh approach? I love being called a liar!!
Since I am speaking with the development community I should probably be more
precise. I have 2 years and 7 months (crap! I forget the days!) experience
with a Beta that was provided at a PDC in June of 2000 and given to me by a
friend. At the time it was going to be VS 7 and .Net did not even exist.
Then in September 2000 I received a new beta at the VS Live! conference in
Orlando Florida. Yes, I do care that I was able to start reviewing the info
and .
In regards to MSF, it is quite important to understanding the process for
these exams. You do not necessarily have to have all the teams, cycles,
milestones, etc. memorized, but understanding is important. I have a degree
in Computer Engineering and Computer Science, so I agree that many companies
do not use the MSF syntax, yet the differences are quite small. Yes, each
company has its own culture and requires adapting the process in place based
on tools, business cases, and definetly on talent from it team.
Do some companies actully use the MSF? Yes, check out --
http://www.corpinfo.com/Success_Sto...y/exchangestory
..html
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...CaseStudyID=114
92
Shall I go further.....?
Did I study much for this exam? No, because my experience with the other
exams for years and my experience with programming, and my experience with
degree work.
And just like a degree, the MCSD, MCAD, etc. certs provide me a chance to
assist my customers and clients know that:
1) I really do know and use Microsoft products
2) I make the time to stay up on the latest development products from MS
3) I have the desire to learn and improve
Greg, relax! I usually enjoy your comments.
Peace,
Keith
"Michael Favro" <MikeL1020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:02cf01c2cf97$1546ad80$8ef
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA04...
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >"Three years in .NET" ...??? That's the MOST experience
> I had ever heard
> >from any person.
> >
> >I thought .net beta release for public test in early 2001
> (except few
> >outdated old initial .net beta in 2000 and noone really
> cares), vs.net beta
> >release for public test in mid 2001 and vs.net officially
> release in feb
> >2002. And now is Feb 2003.
>
> I think that the initial beta was more like beta 2 than it
> was VS6.0, so if Keith got in at that time, that puts him
> in a better position than developers who didn't get in
> until beta 2 or later. It was still .NET. And if this
> gives him a leg up on those who "only" have two years
> experience, then he probably cares!
>
> >
> >Forget about MSF. There is no test on MSF in either 70-
> 100 or 70-300. You
> >just need to know the whole software life cycle, just the
> knowledge every
> >college graduate major in Computer Science will learn
> from software
> >engineering. MSF is just a kind of MS implementation of
> the software life
> >cycle. And in real world, I hadn't found any company use
> MSF (except
> >Microsoft?). But most companies use the word "software
> life cycle".
>
> I'd be careful about saying "Forget about MSF." Just
> like -100, there are a few questions where you will need
> to know, in particular, the Process Model - what the
> phases are and the deliverables for each phase. The
> questions aren't that detailed. You're right that MSF is
> MS's spin on the SDLC (like you, I've never been on a
> project where we "used" MSF, but we used some similar
> methodology), but for the exam you should have a
> familiarity with Microsoft's terminology.
>
> >
> >I had written two commecial software when I was in
> freshman of high school.
> >I could tell people such such such as experience, etc.
> But I never because
> >I have confidence inside myself and I don't need to
> bullshit.
>
> I don't think Keith was BS'ing. If you have the
> experience, it should certainly go on your resume,
> especially if it's relevant to the job you're seeking. I
> think all Keith was doing was laying out his general
> experience, which is relevant to this exam (see Audience
> Profile on the exam prep guide).
>
> >
> >MCSD is just a paper that tell others the certified
> person has the
> >neccessary knowledge MS want him/her to know about
> programming in that exam.
> >Just like a B.Sc degree that tells people the person has
> the neccessary
> >knowledge the college want the student to know. Earning
> a BSc doesn't tell
> >people how much experience you need to have before you
> get this degree.
>
> Yes, MCSD is just a paper. It's not a substitute for
> experience. But in the process of studying for the exams,
> if you do it right, you learn so much. True, I know some
> non-certified developers who are better than some
> certified developers. And vice-versa. And some you can't
> tell the difference. ("Now some they do and some they
> don't. And some you just can't tell.")
>
> But I know from my own experience that the certification
> process has made me more well-rounded (contrary to popular
> belief that it was the Doritos and Coke that made me that
> way). It gives you knowledge of tools and approaches that
> you might not otherwise know to use or think to use to
> solve your everyday problems.
>
> >
> >
> >Greg Lin
> >
> >
> >"Keith Nicholson" <knicholson@ksdynamics.com> wrote in
> message
> >news:#PDSuT4zCHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP11...
> >> Jeremy
> >>
> >> Some of us would love to suggest what to study, yet
> until we know we have
> >> passed, then you may be getting the wrong advice.
> >>
> >> That said, there are some here who have been excellent
> at providing advice
> >> on other exams. Search in here for comments
> like "thanks" to Tim, Jason,
> >> and a few others. They each have been good at
> documenting their approach.
> >> I think Tim's is at www.codeclinic.com (is that right
> Tim?).
> >>
> >> For myself, I have been working with .Net for three
> years, been
> >programming
> >> for eight professionally (i.e. out of college),
> archeticting for six, and
> >> training others on MSF. I suggest taking the
> other .Net exams before you
> >> take this one. It is good to know what the tools can
> do. Have you done
> >> this yet?
> >>
> >> Are you currently a MCSD? If so 300 is a lot like 100.
> >>
> >> How long have you been developing? How long have you
> been studying MSF?
> >If
> >> your just getting into this, take your time. Let some
> others take the
> >exam
> >> and provide some recommendations for study guides.
> >>
> >> You may even look for a 70-100 book which is probably
> starting to get
> >> discounted at stores. It would help you on the
> designing aspect of the
> >exam
> >> and might even provide sample questions in the form of
> actual exam. You
> >are
> >> essentially correct in your understanding of the
> questions. The number
> >will
> >> actually be higher for the questions and they are not
> like questions on
> >> other exams.
> >>
> >> Go to
> >>
> >http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?
> displaylang=en& FamilyID=7F5C[col
or=darkred]
> >> 81AE-168D-4592-99BC-E43D2882DFD3
> >> for some example formats based on 70-100. You might
> even be able to get
> >the
> >> 70-100 Trancender or Measure Up for a good price. I
> always recommend
> >> Transcender 70-100 exam as a sample of the test.
> >>
> >> Please, stay away from braindumps. You can do it!
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >> Keith Nicholson, MCSD, MCAD
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:Lr81a.8785$qY4.761@news2.central.cox.net...
> >> > I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes
> available. Could
> >> > someone (preferably someone who took the beta)
> suggest some good study
> >> > material other than the endless web of
> >> > htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could
> someone give me an
> >> > example of the type of (not actual) questions to
> expect? I've heard
> >it's
> >> > like four case studies with about five questions on
> each?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >[/color]
| |
| Keith Nicholson 2003-02-08, 2:23 pm |
| Jeremy,
My point was that I did not study a written list of specifics. I reviewed
MSF documentation, read several MSDN items etc. Since you requested
specific topics, that is why I suggested looking for Tim's and Jason's info.
Their study guides point you to direct MSDN and KB articles, etc. You will
find the work they do specific enough to know the material and how it
approaches the test. They do this in ways which do not violate the
Non-Disclosure.
It sounds like you have a lot of experience, this is why I asked the
questions. My response to you differs completely from someone who is simply
looking to past the exam with no experience. Since you have been
architecting, then your experience will be great for you.
While the questions are different and the technology has improved since
70-100, the basic idea of how the 300 exam works is just like it
predecessor. Getting access to the simulator or looking at the link I
provided should help.
Peace,
Keith
"Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
news:txb1a.9225$qY4.389@news2.central.cox.net...
> You should at least be able to tell if what you studied was covered on
> the test. I'm looking more just for specific topics than actual study
> guides, although those would be extremly useful. I've been programming
for
> about six years, "officially" for the last three. And I've been doing
> nothing but .NET since beta two was released (around June of 2001 I
> think.?). I have MCSE and MCAD already and this is the final test I need
> for MCSD.NET, but I don't have MCSD and haven't already taken the 70-100
> test. I've been told the tests are similar but the study material for
> 70-100 won't help much for 70-300, which I don't get.
> My official title includes "architecting" our apps and training the
> other developers, but I must admit I haven't really followed any official
> method of doing so up to now. We have business analyst who do most of the
> project management so I'm weak in that area as well. I have passed 70-229
> and think I know most of the db design related issues on this test, but I
> really don't know what else to expect. That's the details I'm looking for
> now. BTW, I've never heard of MSF (or don't recoqnise the abbreviation).
> Can someone explain what it is?
>
> "Keith Nicholson" <knicholson@ksdynamics.com> wrote in message
> news:#PDSuT4zCHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP11...
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Some of us would love to suggest what to study, yet until we know we
have
> > passed, then you may be getting the wrong advice.
> >
> > That said, there are some here who have been excellent at providing
advice
> > on other exams. Search in here for comments like "thanks" to Tim,
Jason,
> > and a few others. They each have been good at documenting their
approach.
> > I think Tim's is at www.codeclinic.com (is that right Tim?).
> >
> > For myself, I have been working with .Net for three years, been
> programming
> > for eight professionally (i.e. out of college), archeticting for six,
and
> > training others on MSF. I suggest taking the other .Net exams before
you
> > take this one. It is good to know what the tools can do. Have you done
> > this yet?
> >
> > Are you currently a MCSD? If so 300 is a lot like 100.
> >
> > How long have you been developing? How long have you been studying MSF?
> If
> > your just getting into this, take your time. Let some others take the
> exam
> > and provide some recommendations for study guides.
> >
> > You may even look for a 70-100 book which is probably starting to get
> > discounted at stores. It would help you on the designing aspect of the
> exam
> > and might even provide sample questions in the form of actual exam. You
> are
> > essentially correct in your understanding of the questions. The number
> will
> > actually be higher for the questions and they are not like questions on
> > other exams.
> >
> > Go to
> >
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...n&FamilyID=7F5C
> > 81AE-168D-4592-99BC-E43D2882DFD3
> > for some example formats based on 70-100. You might even be able to get
> the
> > 70-100 Trancender or Measure Up for a good price. I always recommend
> > Transcender 70-100 exam as a sample of the test.
> >
> > Please, stay away from braindumps. You can do it!
> >
> > Peace,
> > Keith Nicholson, MCSD, MCAD
> >
> >
> > "Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:Lr81a.8785$qY4.761@news2.central.cox.net...
> > > I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes available. Could
> > > someone (preferably someone who took the beta) suggest some good study
> > > material other than the endless web of
> > > htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could someone give me an
> > > example of the type of (not actual) questions to expect? I've heard
> it's
> > > like four case studies with about five questions on each?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Syanide 2003-02-08, 4:23 pm |
| hmmmm... greg you a bedroom programmer then... By your message you have
neither a BSC degree or MCSD...
And you come preaching what is rubbish and what is not.. and you have no
in-depth programming knowledge... which means everything is self taught...
hmmmm.... Therefore your point of view must be based on books you have
read... ie.. the points of view of the authors...
Sorry to say this but you sound like a puppet.... and get a life
"Gregory Lin" <rainnight@excite.com> wrote in message
news:Qaa1a.35688$vm2.17246@rwcrnsc54...
> "Three years in .NET" ...??? That's the MOST experience I had ever heard
> from any person.
>
> I thought .net beta release for public test in early 2001 (except few
> outdated old initial .net beta in 2000 and noone really cares), vs.net
beta
> release for public test in mid 2001 and vs.net officially release in feb
> 2002. And now is Feb 2003.
>
> Forget about MSF. There is no test on MSF in either 70-100 or 70-300.
You
> just need to know the whole software life cycle, just the knowledge every
> college graduate major in Computer Science will learn from software
> engineering. MSF is just a kind of MS implementation of the software life
> cycle. And in real world, I hadn't found any company use MSF (except
> Microsoft?). But most companies use the word "software life cycle".
>
> I had written two commecial software when I was in freshman of high
school.
> I could tell people such such such as experience, etc. But I never
because
> I have confidence inside myself and I don't need to bullshit.
>
> MCSD is just a paper that tell others the certified person has the
> neccessary knowledge MS want him/her to know about programming in that
exam.
> Just like a B.Sc degree that tells people the person has the neccessary
> knowledge the college want the student to know. Earning a BSc doesn't
tell
> people how much experience you need to have before you get this degree.
>
>
> Greg Lin
>
>
> "Keith Nicholson" <knicholson@ksdynamics.com> wrote in message
> news:#PDSuT4zCHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP11...
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Some of us would love to suggest what to study, yet until we know we
have
> > passed, then you may be getting the wrong advice.
> >
> > That said, there are some here who have been excellent at providing
advice
> > on other exams. Search in here for comments like "thanks" to Tim,
Jason,
> > and a few others. They each have been good at documenting their
approach.
> > I think Tim's is at www.codeclinic.com (is that right Tim?).
> >
> > For myself, I have been working with .Net for three years, been
> programming
> > for eight professionally (i.e. out of college), archeticting for six,
and
> > training others on MSF. I suggest taking the other .Net exams before
you
> > take this one. It is good to know what the tools can do. Have you done
> > this yet?
> >
> > Are you currently a MCSD? If so 300 is a lot like 100.
> >
> > How long have you been developing? How long have you been studying MSF?
> If
> > your just getting into this, take your time. Let some others take the
> exam
> > and provide some recommendations for study guides.
> >
> > You may even look for a 70-100 book which is probably starting to get
> > discounted at stores. It would help you on the designing aspect of the
> exam
> > and might even provide sample questions in the form of actual exam. You
> are
> > essentially correct in your understanding of the questions. The number
> will
> > actually be higher for the questions and they are not like questions on
> > other exams.
> >
> > Go to
> >
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...n&FamilyID=7F5C
> > 81AE-168D-4592-99BC-E43D2882DFD3
> > for some example formats based on 70-100. You might even be able to get
> the
> > 70-100 Trancender or Measure Up for a good price. I always recommend
> > Transcender 70-100 exam as a sample of the test.
> >
> > Please, stay away from braindumps. You can do it!
> >
> > Peace,
> > Keith Nicholson, MCSD, MCAD
> >
> >
> > "Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:Lr81a.8785$qY4.761@news2.central.cox.net...
> > > I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes available. Could
> > > someone (preferably someone who took the beta) suggest some good study
> > > material other than the endless web of
> > > htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could someone give me an
> > > example of the type of (not actual) questions to expect? I've heard
> it's
> > > like four case studies with about five questions on each?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Gregory Lin 2003-02-08, 5:23 pm |
| Sorry for my phase.
I just got a feeling that you had EMPHASIZED your experience this and that
TOO MUCH and MCSD is kind of proud according to your words.
I hold MCSD and B.Sc in Electronic and Information System and M.Sc in CS,
and I didn't have a special feeling about any of them. They are just paper.
The skills I got in high school could handle most of my programming work in
multiple companies( except the architect or design need the college
education). The deeper theories like SDLC or advanced algonrithm, and
software engineering stuff make me feel my college studying worth a little
bit. The process of studying for MCSD force me to learn lot of stuff I
never used at work. It is a good learning process for a board range of
knowledge.
Peace.
Greg Lin
"Keith Nicholson" <knicholson@ksdynamics.com> wrote in message
news:OvTInZ6zCHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> Michael and Alan,
>
> Thanks for the backup!
>
> Greg, why the harsh approach? I love being called a liar!!
>
> Since I am speaking with the development community I should probably be
more
> precise. I have 2 years and 7 months (crap! I forget the days!)
experience
> with a Beta that was provided at a PDC in June of 2000 and given to me by
a
> friend. At the time it was going to be VS 7 and .Net did not even exist.
> Then in September 2000 I received a new beta at the VS Live! conference in
> Orlando Florida. Yes, I do care that I was able to start reviewing the
info
> and .
>
> In regards to MSF, it is quite important to understanding the process for
> these exams. You do not necessarily have to have all the teams, cycles,
> milestones, etc. memorized, but understanding is important. I have a
degree
> in Computer Engineering and Computer Science, so I agree that many
companies
> do not use the MSF syntax, yet the differences are quite small. Yes, each
> company has its own culture and requires adapting the process in place
based
> on tools, business cases, and definetly on talent from it team.
>
> Do some companies actully use the MSF? Yes, check out --
>
>
http://www.corpinfo.com/Success_Sto...y/exchangestory
> .html
>
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...CaseStudyID=114
> 92
>
> Shall I go further.....?
>
> Did I study much for this exam? No, because my experience with the other
> exams for years and my experience with programming, and my experience with
> degree work.
>
> And just like a degree, the MCSD, MCAD, etc. certs provide me a chance to
> assist my customers and clients know that:
>
> 1) I really do know and use Microsoft products
> 2) I make the time to stay up on the latest development products from MS
> 3) I have the desire to learn and improve
>
> Greg, relax! I usually enjoy your comments.
>
> Peace,
> Keith
>
>
>
>
> "Michael Favro" <MikeL1020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:02cf01c2cf97$1546ad80$8ef
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA04...
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >"Three years in .NET" ...??? That's the MOST experience
> > I had ever heard
> > >from any person.
> > >
> > >I thought .net beta release for public test in early 2001
> > (except few
> > >outdated old initial .net beta in 2000 and noone really
> > cares), vs.net beta
> > >release for public test in mid 2001 and vs.net officially
> > release in feb
> > >2002. And now is Feb 2003.
> >
> > I think that the initial beta was more like beta 2 than it
> > was VS6.0, so if Keith got in at that time, that puts him
> > in a better position than developers who didn't get in
> > until beta 2 or later. It was still .NET. And if this
> > gives him a leg up on those who "only" have two years
> > experience, then he probably cares!
> >
> > >
> > >Forget about MSF. There is no test on MSF in either 70-
> > 100 or 70-300. You
> > >just need to know the whole software life cycle, just the
> > knowledge every
> > >college graduate major in Computer Science will learn
> > from software
> > >engineering. MSF is just a kind of MS implementation of
> > the software life
> > >cycle. And in real world, I hadn't found any company use
> > MSF (except
> > >Microsoft?). But most companies use the word "software
> > life cycle".
> >
> > I'd be careful about saying "Forget about MSF." Just
> > like -100, there are a few questions where you will need
> > to know, in particular, the Process Model - what the
> > phases are and the deliverables for each phase. The
> > questions aren't that detailed. You're right that MSF is
> > MS's spin on the SDLC (like you, I've never been on a
> > project where we "used" MSF, but we used some similar
> > methodology), but for the exam you should have a
> > familiarity with Microsoft's terminology.
> >
> > >
> > >I had written two commecial software when I was in
> > freshman of high school.
> > >I could tell people such such such as experience, etc.
> > But I never because
> > >I have confidence inside myself and I don't need to
> > bullshit.
> >
> > I don't think Keith was BS'ing. If you have the
> > experience, it should certainly go on your resume,
> > especially if it's relevant to the job you're seeking. I
> > think all Keith was doing was laying out his general
> > experience, which is relevant to this exam (see Audience
> > Profile on the exam prep guide).
> >
> > >
> > >MCSD is just a paper that tell others the certified
> > person has the
> > >neccessary knowledge MS want him/her to know about
> > programming in that exam.
> > >Just like a B.Sc degree that tells people the person has
> > the neccessary
> > >knowledge the college want the student to know. Earning
> > a BSc doesn't tell
> > >people how much experience you need to have before you
> > get this degree.
> >
> > Yes, MCSD is just a paper. It's not a substitute for
> > experience. But in the process of studying for the exams,
> > if you do it right, you learn so much. True, I know some
> > non-certified developers who are better than some
> > certified developers. And vice-versa. And some you can't
> > tell the difference. ("Now some they do and some they
> > don't. And some you just can't tell.")
> >
> > But I know from my own experience that the certification
> > process has made me more well-rounded (contrary to popular
> > belief that it was the Doritos and Coke that made me that
> > way). It gives you knowledge of tools and approaches that
> > you might not otherwise know to use or think to use to
> > solve your everyday problems.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Greg Lin
> > >
> > >
> > >"Keith Nicholson" <knicholson@ksdynamics.com> wrote in
> > message
> > >news:#PDSuT4zCHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP11...
> > >> Jeremy
> > >>
> > >> Some of us would love to suggest what to study, yet
> > until we know we have
> > >> passed, then you may be getting the wrong advice.
> > >>
> > >> That said, there are some here who have been excellent
> > at providing advice
> > >> on other exams. Search in here for comments
> > like "thanks" to Tim, Jason,
> > >> and a few others. They each have been good at
> > documenting their approach.
> > >> I think Tim's is at www.codeclinic.com (is that right
> > Tim?).
> > >>
> > >> For myself, I have been working with .Net for three
> > years, been
> > >programming
> > >> for eight professionally (i.e. out of college),
> > archeticting for six, and
> > >> training others on MSF. I suggest taking the
> > other .Net exams before you
> > >> take this one. It is good to know what the tools can
> > do. Have you done
> > >> this yet?
> > >>
> > >> Are you currently a MCSD? If so 300 is a lot like 100.
> > >>
> > >> How long have you been developing? How long have you
> > been studying MSF?
> > >If
> > >> your just getting into this, take your time. Let some
> > others take the
> > >exam
> > >> and provide some recommendations for study guides.
> > >>
> > >> You may even look for a 70-100 book which is probably
> > starting to get
> > >> discounted at stores. It would help you on the
> > designing aspect of the
> > >exam
> > >> and might even provide sample questions in the form of
> > actual exam. You
> > >are
> > >> essentially correct in your understanding of the
> > questions. The number
> > >will
> > >> actually be higher for the questions and they are not
> > like questions on
> > >> other exams.
> > >>
> > >> Go to
> > >>
> > >http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?
> > displaylang=en&FamilyID=7F5C
> > >> 81AE-168D-4592-99BC-E43D2882DFD3
> > >> for some example formats based on 70-100. You might
> > even be able to get
> > >the
> > >> 70-100 Trancender or Measure Up for a good price. I
> > always recommend
> > >> Transcender 70-100 exam as a sample of the test.
> > >>
> > >> Please, stay away from braindumps. You can do it!
> > >>
> > >> Peace,
> > >> Keith Nicholson, MCSD, MCAD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Jeremy Zongker" <jeremyz@cox.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:Lr81a.8785$qY4.761@news2.central.cox.net...
> > >> > I'm wanting to take 70-300 as soon as it becomes
> > available. Could
> > >> > someone (preferably someone who took the beta)
> > suggest some good study
> > >> > material other than the endless web of
> > >> > htttp://www.microsoft.com/architecture. Also could
> > someone give me an
> > >> > example of the type of (not actual) questions to
> > expect? I've heard
> > >it's
> > >> > like four case studies with about five questions on
> > each?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
>
| |
| Greg Low 2003-02-09, 4:23 am |
| Greg,
Was the Masters in CS you don't have a special feeling about a coursework
Masters or a research Masters? I found I had a very different feeling about
my research work to my coursework.
Regards,
Greg Low
Brisbane, Oztralia
"Gregory Lin" <rainnight@excite.com> wrote in message
news:HBf1a.39535$Ec4.32541@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> Sorry for my phase.
>
> I just got a feeling that you had EMPHASIZED your experience this and that
> TOO MUCH and MCSD is kind of proud according to your words.
>
> I hold MCSD and B.Sc in Electronic and Information System and M.Sc in CS,
> and I didn't have a special feeling about any of them. They are just
paper.
> The skills I got in high school could handle most of my programming work
in
> multiple companies( except the architect or design need the college
> education). The deeper theories like SDLC or advanced algonrithm, and
> software engineering stuff make me feel my college studying worth a little
> bit. The process of studying for MCSD force me to learn lot of stuff I
> never used at work. It is a good learning process for a board range of
> knowledge.
>
> Peace.
>
>
> Greg Lin
| |
|
|
| Luciano Criscola 2003-02-09, 9:23 pm |
|
> Ah ya.. I remember dot net sdk release just after the Orlando pdc
> (July 2000?). Quickly tried out the c# compiler on a test win2k
> machine, result - first time I saw non beta win2k machine 'restart
> itself' without the bsod!!!
The beta 1 of the dot net framework, before it was called dot net. , was
called NGWS ( Next generation of Web Sertvices).
Bye,
Luciano.
| |
| Alan Davis 2003-02-10, 1:23 am |
| >The beta 1 of the dot net framework, before it was called dot net. , was
>called NGWS ( Next generation of Web Sertvices).
Wow! What was it called before that? I'm so interested -NOT
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