|
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| Steve 2003-12-17, 11:23 am |
| Why is it that for ALL the MCAD exams the
"Candidates for this exam work on a team in a medium or=20
large development environment that uses Microsoft Visual=20
Studio=AE .NET"
What about those of us that work on small teams or no=20
team at all heh?
It seems we are at a disadvantage for certification -=20
especially if questions are geared towards a team based=20
model that we may not have any basis for reference to.
| |
| Kline Sphere 2003-12-17, 11:23 am |
| Take no notice. As long as your work experience is with n-tier
developments, it won't matter to you. You may need to get more of an
understanding about 'enterprise' development approaches for the 300
exam, but really this just common sense and can be picked up from the
msdn.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:24:39 -0800, "Steve"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>Why is it that for ALL the MCAD exams the
>
>"Candidates for this exam work on a team in a medium or
>large development environment that uses Microsoft Visual
>StudioŽ .NET"
>
>What about those of us that work on small teams or no
>team at all heh?
>
>It seems we are at a disadvantage for certification -
>especially if questions are geared towards a team based
>model that we may not have any basis for reference to.
| |
|
| When it comes time to take your exams, just don't mention that you work for
a 2 man hack shack and no one will be the wiser. ;-)
"Steve" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:09a901c3c4b1$e3594600$a50
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Why is it that for ALL the MCAD exams the
"Candidates for this exam work on a team in a medium or
large development environment that uses Microsoft Visual
StudioŽ .NET"
What about those of us that work on small teams or no
team at all heh?
It seems we are at a disadvantage for certification -
especially if questions are geared towards a team based
model that we may not have any basis for reference to.
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-17, 4:24 pm |
| 2 man hack shack? Heck, I've seen plenty of hack shacks with a lot more than
that. I think they call them large corporations these days... ;-)
--
Leigh Kendall
MCSD, MCDBA, MCT
<WKidd> wrote in message news:eVlKQqMxDHA.3116@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> When it comes time to take your exams, just don't mention that you work
for
> a 2 man hack shack and no one will be the wiser. ;-)
>
>
> "Steve" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:09a901c3c4b1$e3594600$a50
1280a@phx.gbl...
> Why is it that for ALL the MCAD exams the
>
> "Candidates for this exam work on a team in a medium or
> large development environment that uses Microsoft Visual
> StudioŽ .NET"
>
> What about those of us that work on small teams or no
> team at all heh?
>
> It seems we are at a disadvantage for certification -
> especially if questions are geared towards a team based
> model that we may not have any basis for reference to.
>
>
| |
| Consultant 2003-12-17, 4:24 pm |
| you mean in india?
isnt't that a sweatshop? the first 12 hours of the day, they work for dell,
the other 12 is spent making clothes for kathy lee-gifford
"Leigh Kendall" <lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote in message
news:O%23dq7nNxDHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> 2 man hack shack? Heck, I've seen plenty of hack shacks with a lot more
than
> that. I think they call them large corporations these days... ;-)
>
> --
> Leigh Kendall
> MCSD, MCDBA, MCT
>
> <WKidd> wrote in message news:eVlKQqMxDHA.3116@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> for
>
| |
| Justin K. McDaniel 2003-12-17, 5:23 pm |
| LMAO-->
"Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OWlnwAOxDHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> you mean in india?
> isnt't that a sweatshop? the first 12 hours of the day, they work for
dell,
> the other 12 is spent making clothes for kathy lee-gifford
>
> "Leigh Kendall" <lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote in message
> news:O%23dq7nNxDHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> than
work[color=blue]
>
>
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-18, 12:23 pm |
| Don't forget IBM, American Express, Time Warner and many many more "great"
American corporations. Nothing like supporting your own ey?...
"Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OWlnwAOxDHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> you mean in india?
> isnt't that a sweatshop? the first 12 hours of the day, they work for
dell,
> the other 12 is spent making clothes for kathy lee-gifford
>
> "Leigh Kendall" <lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote in message
> news:O%23dq7nNxDHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> than
work[color=blue]
>
>
| |
| Consultant 2003-12-18, 1:24 pm |
| and intel
"Leigh Kendall" <lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote in message
news:eaiF$mYxDHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Don't forget IBM, American Express, Time Warner and many many more "great"
> American corporations. Nothing like supporting your own ey?...
>
> "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OWlnwAOxDHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> dell,
more[color=blue]
> work
>
| |
| Kline Sphere 2003-12-18, 1:24 pm |
| >Don't forget IBM, American Express, Time Warner and many many more "great"
>American corporations. Nothing like supporting your own ey?...
Let's hope they continue to get ripped off in the process...
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-18, 2:24 pm |
| Amen... it's got to back fire sooner or later. Look at Dell; they pulled
their business line support back to the good 'ol USA from India. Too many
complaints about users not being able to understand the CS reps. Hmmm... I
wonder why.
"Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:kkr3uvonikpt3q5ao1b4mtdk6
lduiel4m4@4ax.com...
"great"[color=blue]
>
> Let's hope they continue to get ripped off in the process...
| |
| Kline Sphere 2003-12-18, 5:24 pm |
| Exactly.
What gets me is that Bush does little about it. And when he does, he
gets forced to stand down, look at the steel debacle!
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:02:33 -0500, "Leigh Kendall"
<lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Amen... it's got to back fire sooner or later. Look at Dell; they pulled
>their business line support back to the good 'ol USA from India. Too many
>complaints about users not being able to understand the CS reps. Hmmm... I
>wonder why.
>
>
>
>"Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
> news:kkr3uvonikpt3q5ao1b4mtdk6
lduiel4m4@4ax.com...
>"great"
| |
|
|
Sounds like free trade and the American dream to me ??
>-----Original Message-----
>Exactly.
>
>What gets me is that Bush does little about it. And when
he does, he
>gets forced to stand down, look at the steel debacle!
>
>On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:02:33 -0500, "Leigh Kendall"
><lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote:
>
Dell; they pulled[color=blue]
from India. Too many[color=blue]
CS reps. Hmmm... I[color=blue]
many many more[color=blue]
own ey?...[color=blue]
process...[color=blue]
>
>.
>
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-19, 2:24 pm |
| Free trade is one thing, disloyalty to the American worker is another.
Believe me, I'm all for capitalism, but US companies SHOULD (by conscience)
have loyalty to their own countrymen. That's what made this country what it
is.
Seems like today, that's all out the window. It's all about the bottomline
and nothing else. Screw our workers. Would be nice to see some of the
corporate "caring" from the 40's and 50's back. In my opinion, having a
healthy bottomline is not healthy if you're workers aren't happy.
Just my $.01...(I've outsource my thinking to India too. Allowed me to slash
my .$02 in half...)
Leigh
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:09ec01c3c612$0249fc60$a10
1280a@phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> Sounds like free trade and the American dream to me ??
>
> he does, he
> Dell; they pulled
> from India. Too many
> CS reps. Hmmm... I
> many many more
> own ey?...
> process...
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-19, 2:24 pm |
| You got it... Two things I wish he'd stand up for are protecting the borders
with military and stopping the exodus of American jobs overseas...
Perhaps he'll get serious about it after he wins his second term. Won't have
to pander to anyone at that point.
"Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:rb64uvk5pgb0fvsc9u78qtojj
m39cjgh9g@4ax.com...
> Exactly.
>
> What gets me is that Bush does little about it. And when he does, he
> gets forced to stand down, look at the steel debacle!
>
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:02:33 -0500, "Leigh Kendall"
> <lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote:
>
I[color=blue]
>
| |
| Cowboy \(Gregory A. Beamer\) 2003-12-19, 2:24 pm |
| The idea is that you are an Enterprise level developer rather than a rogue.
And, it is only partially applicable, as many rogues and mavericks do
advanced coding. The team portion generally relates to SourceSafe (ie, it is
a hint you might see some SS questions). Other than that, have a home brew
and chill out. The exams are not that bad if you really know .NET.
--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
******************************
******************************
**********
Think Outside the Box!
******************************
******************************
**********
"Steve" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:09a901c3c4b1$e3594600$a50
1280a@phx.gbl...
Why is it that for ALL the MCAD exams the
"Candidates for this exam work on a team in a medium or
large development environment that uses Microsoft Visual
StudioŽ .NET"
What about those of us that work on small teams or no
team at all heh?
It seems we are at a disadvantage for certification -
especially if questions are geared towards a team based
model that we may not have any basis for reference to.
| |
| Kline Sphere 2003-12-19, 3:24 pm |
| Excellently put across.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:16:32 -0500, "Leigh Kendall"
<lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Free trade is one thing, disloyalty to the American worker is another.
>Believe me, I'm all for capitalism, but US companies SHOULD (by conscience)
>have loyalty to their own countrymen. That's what made this country what it
>is.
>
>Seems like today, that's all out the window. It's all about the bottomline
>and nothing else. Screw our workers. Would be nice to see some of the
>corporate "caring" from the 40's and 50's back. In my opinion, having a
>healthy bottomline is not healthy if you're workers aren't happy.
>
>Just my $.01...(I've outsource my thinking to India too. Allowed me to slash
>my .$02 in half...)
>
>Leigh
>
><anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:09ec01c3c612$0249fc60$a10
1280a@phx.gbl...
| |
| Kline Sphere 2003-12-19, 3:24 pm |
| >Perhaps he'll get serious about it after he wins his second term. Won't have
>to pander to anyone at that point.
Nope, he'll be too busy working on his autobiography!
| |
| Indian 2003-12-21, 2:23 am |
| Start spending your office time in coding/working rather
than talking trash on newsgroup and you may get to keep
your job.
My Rs. 0.02
| |
| Alistair 2003-12-21, 4:24 pm |
| Not that I'm agreeing with the author in any way, shape or
form (here in Australia we're being hurt by the Indian
Outsourcing Phenomenon as much as anywhere else), but
here's a different take on it from a recent Melbourne Age:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2.../1070732149636.
html
The most relevant sentence in the article is:
"Of course, if the Indians serve up nothing more than a
few terabytes of dysfunctional code, they'll all lose
their contracts around April 2005..."
Just HIS $0.02.
>-----Original Message-----
>Excellently put across.
>On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:16:32 -0500, "Leigh Kendall"
><lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote:
>
worker is another.[color=blue]
SHOULD (by conscience)[color=blue]
this country what it[color=blue]
about the bottomline[color=blue]
see some of the[color=blue]
opinion, having a[color=blue]
aren't happy.[color=blue]
Allowed me to slash[color=blue]
when[color=blue]
at[color=blue]
the[color=blue]
and[color=blue]
your[color=blue]
>
>.
>
| |
| Kline Sphere 2003-12-21, 6:24 pm |
| The outsourcing fad is nothing new and comes and goes in cycles. I
remember back in the mid 80's when a number of companies decided to
outsource their IT needs. Those same companies brought IT back in
house a few years later when they realized it as actual costing them
more money. The same happened in the early 90's when along with 'down
sizing' companies made mad decisions.
The truth is that outsourcing 'seems' attractive because many
companies are completely clueless when it comes to developing
software. It they were not, there is not way any third party company
would produce the require software cheaper because the third party
would not have the same level of understanding of how the business
works.
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:45:33 -0800, "Alistair"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Not that I'm agreeing with the author in any way, shape or
>form (here in Australia we're being hurt by the Indian
>Outsourcing Phenomenon as much as anywhere else), but
>here's a different take on it from a recent Melbourne Age:
>
>http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2.../1070732149636.
>html
>
>The most relevant sentence in the article is:
>"Of course, if the Indians serve up nothing more than a
>few terabytes of dysfunctional code, they'll all lose
>their contracts around April 2005..."
>
>Just HIS $0.02.
>worker is another.
>SHOULD (by conscience)
>this country what it
>about the bottomline
>see some of the
>opinion, having a
>aren't happy.
>Allowed me to slash
>when
>at
>the
>and
>your
| |
| Lorne Smith 2003-12-22, 4:24 am |
| "Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
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dkmq580f9@4ax.com...
have[color=blue]
>
> Nope, he'll be too busy working on his autobiography!
Is someone going to get him a new set of crayons then? 
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-22, 10:24 am |
| Does this apply to you to since you're here reading this trash?
"Indian" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:04fa01c3c789$60723410$a10
1280a@phx.gbl...
> Start spending your office time in coding/working rather
> than talking trash on newsgroup and you may get to keep
> your job.
>
> My Rs. 0.02
>
>
>
>
>
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-22, 10:24 am |
| You're exactly right.
Funny too, how things always seem to go in 10 year cycles. What happens in
the present, somehow seems to have occurred 10 years prior and will again
occur 10 years in the future.
Just my silly little theory...
"Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:ln6cuvc4e0nn87huemfif5onh
2l2u5cn44@4ax.com...
> The outsourcing fad is nothing new and comes and goes in cycles. I
> remember back in the mid 80's when a number of companies decided to
> outsource their IT needs. Those same companies brought IT back in
> house a few years later when they realized it as actual costing them
> more money. The same happened in the early 90's when along with 'down
> sizing' companies made mad decisions.
>
> The truth is that outsourcing 'seems' attractive because many
> companies are completely clueless when it comes to developing
> software. It they were not, there is not way any third party company
> would produce the require software cheaper because the third party
> would not have the same level of understanding of how the business
> works.
>
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:45:33 -0800, "Alistair"
> <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-22, 10:24 am |
| Yup; fortunately they're called missiles...
"Lorne Smith" <no@spam.here> wrote in message
news:%237ahimGyDHA.536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> "Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
> news:buj6uvcq9c06gv6l3e7k6jrqh
dkmq580f9@4ax.com...
> have
>
> Is someone going to get him a new set of crayons then?
>
>
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-22, 10:24 am |
| Too bad home brews are allowed in the testing sites... ;-)
--
Leigh Kendall
MCSD, MCDBA, MCT
"Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer)" <NoSpamMgbworld@comcast.netNoSpamM> wrote in
message news:%23GKlm%23lxDHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> The idea is that you are an Enterprise level developer rather than a
rogue.
> And, it is only partially applicable, as many rogues and mavericks do
> advanced coding. The team portion generally relates to SourceSafe (ie, it
is
> a hint you might see some SS questions). Other than that, have a home brew
> and chill out. The exams are not that bad if you really know .NET.
>
> --
> Gregory A. Beamer
> MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
>
> ******************************
******************************
**********
> Think Outside the Box!
> ******************************
******************************
**********
> "Steve" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:09a901c3c4b1$e3594600$a50
1280a@phx.gbl...
> Why is it that for ALL the MCAD exams the
>
> "Candidates for this exam work on a team in a medium or
> large development environment that uses Microsoft Visual
> StudioŽ .NET"
>
> What about those of us that work on small teams or no
> team at all heh?
>
> It seems we are at a disadvantage for certification -
> especially if questions are geared towards a team based
> model that we may not have any basis for reference to.
>
>
| |
| Kline Sphere 2003-12-22, 2:24 pm |
| >Just my silly little theory...
More than a theory, me thinks....
| |
| Kline Sphere 2003-12-22, 2:24 pm |
| >ie, it is
>a hint you might see some SS questions
What's the Nazi's got to do with Microsoft certs? Those rumors about
Uncle Bill can't be true, can they?
| |
| Indian 2003-12-22, 10:24 pm |
| Please read my post again and check the time of my post.
>-----Original Message-----
>Does this apply to you to since you're here reading this
trash?
>
>"Indian" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> news:04fa01c3c789$60723410$a10
1280a@phx.gbl...
rather[color=blue]
>
>.
>
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-23, 11:24 am |
| ooooh.... Seeing I'm self-employed, I'm not really concerned about the time
of day it is. And, if I were a full-timer, I still wouldn't give a sh*t
about the time...
"Indian" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:03f501c3c8ff$9355df40$a60
1280a@phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Please read my post again and check the time of my post.
>
>
> trash?
> message
> rather
| |
| Leigh Kendall 2003-12-23, 11:24 am |
| The economy is on the rebound, so if that "theory" holds true, the job
market should be looking a lot better in a year or two and the outsourcing
should start to wane (hopefully; <fingers crossed> ).
"Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
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>
> More than a theory, me thinks....
| |
| Consultant 2003-12-23, 11:24 am |
| this crazy indian
"Leigh Kendall" <lkendall@msdnnewsgroups.com> wrote in message
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> ooooh.... Seeing I'm self-employed, I'm not really concerned about the
time
> of day it is. And, if I were a full-timer, I still wouldn't give a sh*t
> about the time...
>
> "Indian" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:03f501c3c8ff$9355df40$a60
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>
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