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| I've got Home edition - want to upgrade to Pro. Online
used prices are much lower (i.e., $100 vs.$200) How can
one sell a product, which can only be licensed, in used
condition. How does this work? Can it be registered? I
don't get it...
Whassup?
Jay
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| General Protection Fault 2003-11-19, 5:23 pm |
| Jay wrote:
> I've got Home edition - want to upgrade to Pro. Online
> used prices are much lower (i.e., $100 vs.$200) How can
> one sell a product, which can only be licensed, in used
> condition. How does this work? Can it be registered? I
> don't get it...
>
> Whassup?
>
> Jay
You can't sell software once you've installed it. It says so in the EULA.
There was a minor scandal a year ago, because some people donated PCs
with Windows to charity and the charity had to buy Windows licenses
because you can't even give Windows away legally.
It's true.
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| So how is it that "reputable" online vendors can sell used
software? Or is it, as you say, simply illegal?
>-----Original Message-----
>Jay wrote:
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>You can't sell software once you've installed it. It
says so in the EULA.
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>There was a minor scandal a year ago, because some people
donated PCs
>with Windows to charity and the charity had to buy
Windows licenses
>because you can't even give Windows away legally.
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>It's true.
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| If you found someone that sells used gold at a good
price, let me know.
>-----Original Message-----
>So how is it that "reputable" online vendors can sell
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>software? Or is it, as you say, simply illegal?
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| Kline Sphere 2003-11-19, 6:24 pm |
| >So how is it that "reputable" online vendors can sell used
>software? Or is it, as you say, simply illegal?
That would depend on the software in question.
However, in general (as is the case with Microsoft), you paying for a
license to use the software, NOT the software itself.
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| Lorne Smith 2003-11-20, 10:23 am |
| Actually, it says you can transfer ownership ONCE, the second owner is the
one who cannot transfer ownership and further... Besides, since when can MS
dictate how many times a product can be sold anyway? Not to mention being
able to tell if the owner doesn't register the software...
Just sell it and be done.... 
Lorne
"General Protection Fault" <generalpf@nospam.yahoo.reallynospam.com> wrote
in message news:OM6UCgurDHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Jay wrote:
>
> You can't sell software once you've installed it. It says so in the EULA.
>
> There was a minor scandal a year ago, because some people donated PCs
> with Windows to charity and the charity had to buy Windows licenses
> because you can't even give Windows away legally.
>
> It's true.
>
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| General Protection Fault 2003-11-20, 11:24 am |
| anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com wrote:
> So how is it that "reputable" online vendors can sell used
> software? Or is it, as you say, simply illegal?
It depends on the license. If it's Microsoft software, it's illegal.
Who is this "reputable" vendor?
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| General Protection Fault 2003-11-20, 11:24 am |
| Lorne Smith wrote:
> Actually, it says you can transfer ownership ONCE, the second owner is the
> one who cannot transfer ownership and further... Besides, since when can MS
> dictate how many times a product can be sold anyway? Not to mention being
> able to tell if the owner doesn't register the software...
When you installed the software, you agreed to the license that says you
won't transfer ownership (as in the case of Windows 2000). They can ask
you to agree to anything they want. If you installed the software, you
agreed to the license, and it's legally binding and enforceable.
So you see why software licenses are ridiculous.
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| Lorne Smith 2003-11-20, 11:24 am |
| But like I said, the terms of the EULA allow you to transfer ownership ONCE,
so you can resell it, it's just that the guy who buys it from you isn't
allowed to sell it on (according to MS... Licensing limitations such as this
are not really enforceable).
It's not yet been established in court whether the terms of the EULA are
legally enforeable or not. Until they are, the whole thing is a gret area
really...
BTW: Be carefull M$ don't try and sue you for using some of their
terminology for your nick!
Lorne
"General Protection Fault" <generalpf@nospam.yahoo.reallynospam.com> wrote
in message news:ugcyul3rDHA.2148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Lorne Smith wrote:
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> When you installed the software, you agreed to the license that says you
> won't transfer ownership (as in the case of Windows 2000). They can ask
> you to agree to anything they want. If you installed the software, you
> agreed to the license, and it's legally binding and enforceable.
>
> So you see why software licenses are ridiculous.
>
>
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| General Protection Fault 2003-11-20, 4:24 pm |
| Lorne Smith wrote:
> But like I said, the terms of the EULA allow you to transfer ownership ONCE,
> so you can resell it, it's just that the guy who buys it from you isn't
> allowed to sell it on (according to MS... Licensing limitations such as this
> are not really enforceable).
>
> It's not yet been established in court whether the terms of the EULA are
> legally enforeable or not. Until they are, the whole thing is a gret area
> really...
Again, some Microsoft EULAs allow you to transfer once, and some don't.
In some cases, you can transfer it once, to only to another PC that
*you* own, not someone else's.
In other cases, yes, you can sell it.
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