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interesting fact on MCSD
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| I went to about 9 different companies (HR) and some agencies and talked to
them about the experience and certifications.
They said that it actually depends on the position on which candidate is
hired for. It that position is purely technical (meaning sitting in front of
computer and coding only) then they prefer certifications more than
experience. But if the position is of more business and less coding, then
experience and certification is always an asset.
Also one HR Manager mentioned that she has met some MCSD people, and found
them very knowledgable and hardworking, so she has a very good impression on
certification candidates. So she preferes certifications.
I came across many recruiter mostly said that certification is always an
ASSET ... no matter which one.
Also if I get certified with MCSD and go for interview and don't do well
there , then ofcourse the recruiter will have bad impression about
certification(s). It is just a matter of thinking and experience of dealing
with different people.
So please if someone get certified and go for interview , please try to show
your best so that employer can consider certifications.
Also one HR Manager said that he hired on MCAD guy and when he was given a
assignment he didn't knew how to code in VB.
That manager now doesn't give any value to certifications.
Diffferent people have different opinion. So it is 50-50 and rest is your
luck.
Good luck in your career and endaveour.
Guru
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| "Guru" <gurubaba_4342@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> So please if someone get certified and go for interview, please try to
show
> your best so that employer can consider certifications.
How are the brain-dumbs going to impress the people they interview with?
> Also one HR Manager said that he hired on MCAD guy and when he was given a
> assignment he didn't knew how to code in VB.
It is not important if he knew VB or not. Did he write VB in his resume? If
he did then he is a liar. If he did not and he was not able to read some
documentation and figure out how to do it then he is a brain-dumb.
> That manager now doesn't give any value to certifications.
What manager is that that draws a general conclusion after seeing one case?
Is this the way he is doing his job? After all once in a while we all have
to draw general rules from particular examples and you hgave to use more
than one particular example to make a rule, usually it is indicated to use
yens of not hundreds of thousands of cases.
> Diffferent people have different opinion. So it is 50-50 and rest is your
> luck.
If you have to deal with that kind of manager it is probably 100% luck and
less hard work and/or knowledge.
> Good luck in your career and endaveour.
Same to you!
> Guru
Danut
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| Alan Davis 2002-12-31, 8:14 pm |
| >I went to about 9 different companies (HR) and some agencies and talked to
>them about the experience and certifications.
>They said that it actually depends on the position on which candidate is
>hired for. It that position is purely technical (meaning sitting in front of
>computer and coding only)
Don't see too many of those 'coding only' roles around, well not since
the early 90's.
Companies typically require people who can perform a variety roles
(i.e. software engineers) such as requirements analysis, data &
process modeling, system/intergration testing, etc. Coding is only a
small part of the software development process.
>then they prefer certifications more than
>experience.
Don't see why that would be, coding to high level design specs, can be
done by anyone that can read, type and as a reasonable understanding
of the 'coding' language to be used.
>But if the position is of more business and less coding, then
>experience and certification is always an asset.
Microsoft certification should be seen as an asset, but is often
overlooked or ignored.
>Also one HR Manager mentioned that she has met some MCSD people, and found
>them very knowledgable and hardworking, so she has a very good impression on
>certification candidates. So she preferes certifications.
>I came across many recruiter mostly said that certification is always an
>ASSET ... no matter which one.
Shame that is not the case in the UK.
>Also if I get certified with MCSD and go for interview and don't do well
>there , then ofcourse the recruiter will have bad impression about
>certification(s). It is just a matter of thinking and experience of dealing
>with different people.
Not necessarily, as it depends on what the 'recruiter' did not like
about the interviewee. The interviewee may have been rejected because
of his/her attitude, being unable to demonstrate the require business
knowledge or simply the interview(ers) did not like the interviewee
(it happens).
>So please if someone get certified and go for interview , please try to show
>your best so that employer can consider certifications.
In order to get the job, I would have thought that 'to show your best'
was the objective of the interview, not try to impress upon the
prospective employer the 'value' of certification.
>Also one HR Manager said that he hired on MCAD guy and when he was given a
>assignment he didn't knew how to code in VB.
>That manager now doesn't give any value to certifications.
In this case the HR Manager, or rather the recruitment process, is
useless. A technical interview followed by the technical examination
(not like the MS exams), would determine the extent of the applicant's
ability to perform the role.
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| Demagogue 2002-12-31, 8:14 pm |
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It actually depends on lot of constraits, which are not
really spoken and seen out. Certifications are really
valuable and worth it, whatsoever they may be. A guy who
had cleared the exams from dumps also is not bad, i
believe, coz even that requires analytical and
rememebering skills. In the first attempt, people may not
really perform at 120kmph. It takes time to pickup and get
geared up in the new environment. Anyway, it is always
better we don't associate with people who come to quick
conclusions based on small freaky incidents.
Best of luck,
Demagogue
>-----Original Message-----
>>I went to about 9 different companies (HR) and some
agencies and talked to
>>them about the experience and certifications.
>>They said that it actually depends on the position on
which candidate is
>>hired for. It that position is purely technical (meaning
sitting in front of
>>computer and coding only)
>
>Don't see too many of those 'coding only' roles around,
well not since
>the early 90's.
>
>Companies typically require people who can perform a
variety roles
>(i.e. software engineers) such as requirements analysis,
data &
>process modeling, system/intergration testing, etc.
Coding is only a
>small part of the software development process.
>
>>then they prefer certifications more than
>>experience.
>
>Don't see why that would be, coding to high level design
specs, can be
>done by anyone that can read, type and as a reasonable
understanding
>of the 'coding' language to be used.
>
>>But if the position is of more business and less coding,
then
>>experience and certification is always an asset.
>
>Microsoft certification should be seen as an asset, but
is often
>overlooked or ignored.
>
>>Also one HR Manager mentioned that she has met some MCSD
people, and found
>>them very knowledgable and hardworking, so she has a
very good impression on
>>certification candidates. So she preferes certifications.
>>I came across many recruiter mostly said that
certification is always an
>>ASSET ... no matter which one.
>
>Shame that is not the case in the UK.
>
>>Also if I get certified with MCSD and go for interview
and don't do well
>>there , then ofcourse the recruiter will have bad
impression about
>>certification(s). It is just a matter of thinking and
experience of dealing
>>with different people.
>
>Not necessarily, as it depends on what the 'recruiter'
did not like
>about the interviewee. The interviewee may have been
rejected because
>of his/her attitude, being unable to demonstrate the
require business
>knowledge or simply the interview(ers) did not like the
interviewee
>(it happens).
>
>>So please if someone get certified and go for
interview , please try to show
>>your best so that employer can consider certifications.
>
>In order to get the job, I would have thought that 'to
show your best'
>was the objective of the interview, not try to impress
upon the
>prospective employer the 'value' of certification.
>
>>Also one HR Manager said that he hired on MCAD guy and
when he was given a
>>assignment he didn't knew how to code in VB.
>>That manager now doesn't give any value to
certifications.
>
>In this case the HR Manager, or rather the recruitment
process, is
>useless. A technical interview followed by the technical
examination
>(not like the MS exams), would determine the extent of
the applicant's
>ability to perform the role.
>.
>
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| Alan Davis 2002-12-31, 8:14 pm |
| >It actually depends on lot of constraits, which are not
>really spoken and seen out. Certifications are really
>valuable and worth it, whatsoever they may be.
The only constraints are whether or not employers/clients see them as
'worth it'.
>A guy who
>had cleared the exams from dumps also is not bad, i
>believe, coz even that requires analytical and
>rememebering skills.
Rubbish. Analytical skills are about being able to analyst a problem
domain and produce a number of potential solutions. Remembering
answers from simple multi choice questions, whereby you may gain the
answer to a question you do not even understand, hardly constitutes
having 'analytical skills'.
> In the first attempt, people may not
>really perform at 120kmph. It takes time to pickup and get
>geared up in the new environment. Anyway, it is always
>better we don't associate with people who come to quick
>conclusions based on small freaky incidents.
Lost me here.
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