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| perfectionist 2002-12-31, 8:14 pm |
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Hie!
I am planning to take Oraca9i Database Administrator Certified
Associates (OCA) certification exam but I am a new learner with no
practical hands on experience.... I plan to study for the exam just
through books. What do you guys think? Is that possible?? Any good books
to recomend?? How about the book named OCA/OCP: Introduction to Oracle9i
SQL Study Guide -- by Chip Dawes, Biju Thomas ???
Any comments and advices are highly appreciated!! A thousands Thanks in
advanced...
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| Yes it is possible, but employers will hardly consider it without any
practical hands-on experience.
Best of luck
Guru
"perfectionist" <member@dbforums.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hie!
>
> I am planning to take Oraca9i Database Administrator Certified
> Associates (OCA) certification exam but I am a new learner with no
> practical hands on experience.... I plan to study for the exam just
> through books. What do you guys think? Is that possible?? Any good books
> to recomend?? How about the book named OCA/OCP: Introduction to Oracle9i
> SQL Study Guide -- by Chip Dawes, Biju Thomas ???
>
> Any comments and advices are highly appreciated!! A thousands Thanks in
> advanced...
>
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> Posted via http://dbforums.com
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| Krusty the Clown 2002-12-31, 8:14 pm |
| If you are self motivated, go ahead and go after it. Don't listen to who
tell you experience or certification will work for you like magic, they are
not. a couple of facts:
1. There ARE a lot of unemployed "experienced" people walking arround. But
do you have still a chance? you bet!
2. Employer are trying to save every penny they could, so? will the
experienced guy willing to work for 15$/hr(did I hear 10$)? maybe or maybe
not, even if yes, the employer will need consider how long they could KEEP
the experienced guy at 15$/hr.
Go figure....
"Guru" <gurubaba_4342@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yes it is possible, but employers will hardly consider it without any
> practical hands-on experience.
> Best of luck
> Guru
> "perfectionist" <member@dbforums.com> wrote in message
> news:2324164.1041094705@dbforums.com...
> >
> > Hie!
> >
> > I am planning to take Oraca9i Database Administrator Certified
> > Associates (OCA) certification exam but I am a new learner with no
> > practical hands on experience.... I plan to study for the exam just
> > through books. What do you guys think? Is that possible?? Any good books
> > to recomend?? How about the book named OCA/OCP: Introduction to Oracle9i
> > SQL Study Guide -- by Chip Dawes, Biju Thomas ???
> >
> > Any comments and advices are highly appreciated!! A thousands Thanks in
> > advanced...
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://dbforums.com
>
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| Alan Davis 2002-12-31, 8:14 pm |
| >2. Employer are trying to save every penny they could, so? will the
>experienced guy willing to work for 15$/hr(did I hear 10$)? maybe or maybe
>not, even if yes, the employer will need consider how long they could KEEP
>the experienced guy at 15$/hr.
As we all know, the cheapest is not always best. What is the point of
employing someone who does the work half as good, half as quickly,
which has twice as many faults and in the end costs twice as much to
engineer.
Any software company wanting to stay at or reach the top should only
look at employing the best, otherwise those 'best' people will end up
working elsewhere, maybe for the very rival that will put that company
out of business.
Cost affective selection for IT roles, does not (or rather, should
not), be base on how little the candidates require in salary.
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| Krusty the Clown 2002-12-31, 8:14 pm |
| Very true in the ideal world. The person hired need to be able to get the
job at least done(if not well done), this is why a qualified person need to
look after the hiring process and hand pick from the larger than ever
candidate pool.
My point was that if a young people is dedicated to learn his stuff and
really "a master of his domain", he still has a chance in getting somewhere.
One must living on Mars to not know that we are in a recession, employers do
have a "spending limit' or budget in mind before start interviewing people
and normally this budget is much less than before. I know a few companies
ONLY hire new graduates or prefer people with less than 3 years
experience-this includes Microsoft, LOL. Another example of how bad the
spending situation is that many companies even go through all the troubles
to build manufacture or R&D center in third world
countries(India,China,Russia...), sounds familar?.
Experienced people could demand a higher pay, less likely to work overtime
happily, normally has a higher self-esteem and sometimes has problem
following orders-you could be a retired general, but may be not a good foot
soldier...
Happy new year!
"Alan Davis" <.> wrote in message
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> >2. Employer are trying to save every penny they could, so? will the
> >experienced guy willing to work for 15$/hr(did I hear 10$)? maybe or
maybe
> >not, even if yes, the employer will need consider how long they could
KEEP
> >the experienced guy at 15$/hr.
>
> As we all know, the cheapest is not always best. What is the point of
> employing someone who does the work half as good, half as quickly,
> which has twice as many faults and in the end costs twice as much to
> engineer.
>
> Any software company wanting to stay at or reach the top should only
> look at employing the best, otherwise those 'best' people will end up
> working elsewhere, maybe for the very rival that will put that company
> out of business.
>
> Cost affective selection for IT roles, does not (or rather, should
> not), be base on how little the candidates require in salary.
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| Alan Davis 2002-12-31, 8:14 pm |
| >Very true in the ideal world. The person hired need to be able to get the
>job at least done(if not well done), this is why a qualified person need to
>look after the hiring process and hand pick from the larger than ever
>candidate pool.
Most employers would expect candidates to be able participate in all
parts of the software development life cycle. This allows software
engineers/developers/analysts to multi task between different parts of
different projects, thus they are more productive.
>My point was that if a young people is dedicated to learn his stuff and
>really "a master of his domain", he still has a chance in getting somewhere.
Everyone has to start somewhere. But someone who can 'type in code'
from detailed design may not become a good software engineer or
analyst.
>One must living on Mars to not know that we are in a recession, employers do
>have a "spending limit' or budget in mind before start interviewing people
>and normally this budget is much less than before. I know a few companies
>ONLY hire new graduates or prefer people with less than 3 years
>experience-this includes Microsoft, LOL.
Is this cost effective? I can't see it.
Grad's or trainees will be on lower salaries, this is because of just
that, they are trainees - it costs money to train people. In the mean
time those people are not as proficient as skilled people with many
years of experience - this is the same as any industry.
My point was that buying in the cheapest labour is not always the most
cost effective approach to take.
There are many costs involved in taking on grad's or trainees. Even if
those people have a good computer related degree, it will take at
*least* a year for that person to get up to speed. Developing software
in the real world is a lot different to what those people would have
seen in university.
Many companies don't take on grad's or trainees because it is not seen
as cost effective - grad joins company, grad gets trained, grad leaves
company, before much of the 'return on investment' as been realized.
>Another example of how bad the
>spending situation is that many companies even go through all the troubles
>to build manufacture or R&D center in third world
>countries(India,China,Russia...), sounds familar?.
Very true, and once again is really going to save money? Manufacturing
plants take huge amounts of money to set up before they see any profit
what so ever.
>Happy new year!
Let's hope , even with all the troubles brewing.
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