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70-300 Beta Exam Dates
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| Murali 2002-10-07, 11:23 am |
| Once again MS has announced dates that are inconvenient
for developer community to take this (70-300) beta exam.
Exam dates Nov. 4th to Nov 8th are all week days. I am
not sure how many of us interested in spending 5 hrs in
weekdays to take this beta exam. I hope MS takes a notice
of it and extends to include some weekend.
Any thoughts
Murali,
MCAD.NET, MCDBA2K, MCSD and MCSA
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| "Murali" <rdamurali@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Once again MS has announced dates that are inconvenient
> for developer community to take this (70-300) beta exam.
> Exam dates Nov. 4th to Nov 8th are all week days. I am
> not sure how many of us interested in spending 5 hrs in
> weekdays to take this beta exam. I hope MS takes a notice
> of it and extends to include some weekend.
> Any thoughts
This has been discussed in a private MCT newsgroup, and someone from MS
responded that it was probably unintentional and she would see if it will be
possible to extend the beta to the weekend of Nov 9 and 10. If it gets
changed, the 70-300 web page should be updated, but I haven't seen any
indication of the results of her inquiry yet.
I will also greatly prefer a weekend test time, but I think maybe MS didn't
consider it because relatively few test centers even offer 'off hours'
testing. I think there's only one in my area.
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| Mike Hohenshilt 2002-10-08, 12:23 pm |
| How do you get an invitation for a beta exam? Also, aside from the
challenge, why would you want to?
"Murali" <rdamurali@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:13bf601c26e16$4d3b1a10$3b
ef2ecf@TKMSFTNGXA10...
> Once again MS has announced dates that are inconvenient
> for developer community to take this (70-300) beta exam.
> Exam dates Nov. 4th to Nov 8th are all week days. I am
> not sure how many of us interested in spending 5 hrs in
> weekdays to take this beta exam. I hope MS takes a notice
> of it and extends to include some weekend.
> Any thoughts
>
> Murali,
> MCAD.NET, MCDBA2K, MCSD and MCSA
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| "Mike Hohenshilt" <hohensm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How do you get an invitation for a beta exam? Also, aside from the
> challenge, why would you want to?
If you meet prerequisites MS sets per exam and subscribe to the MCP flash
newsletter, you should get an invitation. But if you meet the requirements,
emailing mcphelp@microsoft.com seems to result in getting the registration
info too. I almost never get the automatic invitation, so I try to stay on
top of upcoming betas I'm interested in.
I think the challenge is a big part of the appeal, but current MS beta exams
are also free. If you pass, you'll be one of the first in the world, and if
you don't, you're still probably ahead of most everyone else in terms of
knowing what you need to do to prepare for a retake when the exam goes live.
Many MS exams also get braindumped soon after going live (if not sooner), so
a pass date on your transcript during the beta can also be a good indication
that you passed entirely on your own merit. I think it's a lot easier to
pass an exam once there's a lot of public information about what it's like
and specific preparation tools like practice exams and study guides. So I
look for dates when checking out someone credentials and the earlier the
better.
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| "Murali" <rdamurali@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:13bf601c26e16$4d3b1a10$3b
ef2ecf@TKMSFTNGXA10...
> Once again MS has announced dates that are inconvenient
> for developer community to take this (70-300) beta exam.
> Exam dates Nov. 4th to Nov 8th are all week days. I am
> not sure how many of us interested in spending 5 hrs in
> weekdays to take this beta exam. I hope MS takes a notice
> of it and extends to include some weekend.
> Any thoughts
There's just been a post on the private MCT newsgroup that the exam dates
have been extended to include the weekend of the 9th and 10th for both VUE
and Prometric. I assume the exam web page will be updated to reflect this
shortly, but it still had November 4-8 when I checked it a minute ago.
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| Gregor Suttie 2002-10-09, 2:23 am |
| Good point Tim.
I also think its good to pass the exams just after theyve went live and not
to have passed using the beta's.
Fair point there longer and more questions but its a beta and slightly
different from the live one.
Anyone who relies on the braindumps is doing noone any favours.
Anyway I'm sure folks will disagree.
Cheers
Gregor
"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hohenshilt" <hohensm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#sx0FyubCHA.2112@tkmsftngp09...
> > How do you get an invitation for a beta exam? Also, aside from the
> > challenge, why would you want to?
>
> If you meet prerequisites MS sets per exam and subscribe to the MCP flash
> newsletter, you should get an invitation. But if you meet the
requirements,
> emailing mcphelp@microsoft.com seems to result in getting the registration
> info too. I almost never get the automatic invitation, so I try to stay on
> top of upcoming betas I'm interested in.
>
> I think the challenge is a big part of the appeal, but current MS beta
exams
> are also free. If you pass, you'll be one of the first in the world, and
if
> you don't, you're still probably ahead of most everyone else in terms of
> knowing what you need to do to prepare for a retake when the exam goes
live.
>
> Many MS exams also get braindumped soon after going live (if not sooner),
so
> a pass date on your transcript during the beta can also be a good
indication
> that you passed entirely on your own merit. I think it's a lot easier to
> pass an exam once there's a lot of public information about what it's like
> and specific preparation tools like practice exams and study guides. So I
> look for dates when checking out someone credentials and the earlier the
> better.
>
>
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| John Bugarin 2002-10-09, 10:23 am |
| Tim, thanks for the update.
John
"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
news:OLugasvbCHA.1940@tkmsftngp11...
> "Murali" <rdamurali@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13bf601c26e16$4d3b1a10$3b
ef2ecf@TKMSFTNGXA10...
> > Once again MS has announced dates that are inconvenient
> > for developer community to take this (70-300) beta exam.
> > Exam dates Nov. 4th to Nov 8th are all week days. I am
> > not sure how many of us interested in spending 5 hrs in
> > weekdays to take this beta exam. I hope MS takes a notice
> > of it and extends to include some weekend.
> > Any thoughts
>
> There's just been a post on the private MCT newsgroup that the exam dates
> have been extended to include the weekend of the 9th and 10th for both VUE
> and Prometric. I assume the exam web page will be updated to reflect this
> shortly, but it still had November 4-8 when I checked it a minute ago.
>
>
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| "Gregor Suttie" <gsuttie2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I also think its good to pass the exams just after theyve went live and
not
> to have passed using the beta's.
> Fair point there longer and more questions but its a beta and slightly
> different from the live one.
There really are no differences in the validity of beta vs. live, especially
when an exam is initially live. Beta testers have to wait to get their
results, but are then scored on exactly the same questions that go in the
live pool. So while as with software, the 'beta' means there are flaws in
some questions during a beta, the wait period allows MS to eliminate all of
those from the calculation of results.
The statistics gathered by the beta ensure that the beta is neither easier
nor more difficult to pass than the live version, and the initial live
version will be composed entirely of a subset of questions that were on the
beta. There will be no changed questions and no new questions, though there
usually will be a small number removed from the pool that beta statistics
determine are invalid. Over time, new questions will be introduced to the
question pool, but only after statistics are gathered as for the beta
questions. MS often does this by including a few unscored 'beta' questions
on live exams.
So while there's really nothing extra special about passing the beta, I
don't think you can make a case that it's better in any way to pass the live
exam instead.
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| Mike Hohenshilt 2002-10-09, 12:23 pm |
| Hmmm...I did not realize, that the betas count towards certification. I
thought if you passed, you were in good shape for taking the final exam.
Now I see.
"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
news:#KmG6Y6bCHA.1652@tkmsftngp11...
> "Gregor Suttie" <gsuttie2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#Ng7AA2bCHA.1808@tkmsftngp10...
>
> > I also think its good to pass the exams just after theyve went live and
> not
> > to have passed using the beta's.
> > Fair point there longer and more questions but its a beta and slightly
> > different from the live one.
>
> There really are no differences in the validity of beta vs. live,
especially
> when an exam is initially live. Beta testers have to wait to get their
> results, but are then scored on exactly the same questions that go in the
> live pool. So while as with software, the 'beta' means there are flaws in
> some questions during a beta, the wait period allows MS to eliminate all
of
> those from the calculation of results.
>
> The statistics gathered by the beta ensure that the beta is neither easier
> nor more difficult to pass than the live version, and the initial live
> version will be composed entirely of a subset of questions that were on
the
> beta. There will be no changed questions and no new questions, though
there
> usually will be a small number removed from the pool that beta statistics
> determine are invalid. Over time, new questions will be introduced to the
> question pool, but only after statistics are gathered as for the beta
> questions. MS often does this by including a few unscored 'beta' questions
> on live exams.
>
> So while there's really nothing extra special about passing the beta, I
> don't think you can make a case that it's better in any way to pass the
live
> exam instead.
>
>
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| Al Manint 2002-10-09, 4:23 pm |
| Heh,
There is no way I would take a beta that didn't count. I'm gearing up for
the 5 hour marathon to get my MCSD.NET.
--Al
"Mike Hohenshilt" <hohensm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uJ#DeE7bCHA.2592@tkmsftngp09...
> Hmmm...I did not realize, that the betas count towards certification. I
> thought if you passed, you were in good shape for taking the final exam.
> Now I see.
>
>
> "Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
> news:#KmG6Y6bCHA.1652@tkmsftngp11...
> > "Gregor Suttie" <gsuttie2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:#Ng7AA2bCHA.1808@tkmsftngp10...
> >
> > > I also think its good to pass the exams just after theyve went live
and
> > not
> > > to have passed using the beta's.
> > > Fair point there longer and more questions but its a beta and slightly
> > > different from the live one.
> >
> > There really are no differences in the validity of beta vs. live,
> especially
> > when an exam is initially live. Beta testers have to wait to get their
> > results, but are then scored on exactly the same questions that go in
the
> > live pool. So while as with software, the 'beta' means there are flaws
in
> > some questions during a beta, the wait period allows MS to eliminate all
> of
> > those from the calculation of results.
> >
> > The statistics gathered by the beta ensure that the beta is neither
easier
> > nor more difficult to pass than the live version, and the initial live
> > version will be composed entirely of a subset of questions that were on
> the
> > beta. There will be no changed questions and no new questions, though
> there
> > usually will be a small number removed from the pool that beta
statistics
> > determine are invalid. Over time, new questions will be introduced to
the
> > question pool, but only after statistics are gathered as for the beta
> > questions. MS often does this by including a few unscored 'beta'
questions
> > on live exams.
> >
> > So while there's really nothing extra special about passing the beta, I
> > don't think you can make a case that it's better in any way to pass the
> live
> > exam instead.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Mike Hohenshilt 2002-10-09, 9:23 pm |
| I agree, i wouldn't do it if it didn't count. But there is a type of person
that would.
"Al Manint" <al_manint@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:#8SHqZ9bCHA.2188@tkmsftngp08...
> Heh,
>
> There is no way I would take a beta that didn't count. I'm gearing up for
> the 5 hour marathon to get my MCSD.NET.
>
> --Al
>
> "Mike Hohenshilt" <hohensm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uJ#DeE7bCHA.2592@tkmsftngp09...
> > Hmmm...I did not realize, that the betas count towards certification. I
> > thought if you passed, you were in good shape for taking the final exam.
> > Now I see.
> >
> >
> > "Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
> > news:#KmG6Y6bCHA.1652@tkmsftngp11...
> > > "Gregor Suttie" <gsuttie2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:#Ng7AA2bCHA.1808@tkmsftngp10...
> > >
> > > > I also think its good to pass the exams just after theyve went live
> and
> > > not
> > > > to have passed using the beta's.
> > > > Fair point there longer and more questions but its a beta and
slightly
> > > > different from the live one.
> > >
> > > There really are no differences in the validity of beta vs. live,
> > especially
> > > when an exam is initially live. Beta testers have to wait to get their
> > > results, but are then scored on exactly the same questions that go in
> the
> > > live pool. So while as with software, the 'beta' means there are flaws
> in
> > > some questions during a beta, the wait period allows MS to eliminate
all
> > of
> > > those from the calculation of results.
> > >
> > > The statistics gathered by the beta ensure that the beta is neither
> easier
> > > nor more difficult to pass than the live version, and the initial live
> > > version will be composed entirely of a subset of questions that were
on
> > the
> > > beta. There will be no changed questions and no new questions, though
> > there
> > > usually will be a small number removed from the pool that beta
> statistics
> > > determine are invalid. Over time, new questions will be introduced to
> the
> > > question pool, but only after statistics are gathered as for the beta
> > > questions. MS often does this by including a few unscored 'beta'
> questions
> > > on live exams.
> > >
> > > So while there's really nothing extra special about passing the beta,
I[col
or=darkred]
> > > don't think you can make a case that it's better in any way to pass[/color]
the
> > live
> > > exam instead.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Danut Prisacaru 2002-10-16, 10:23 am |
| I would even if it didn't count.
Think about it: you will have an experience for the real non-beta exam, you
will see how the exam looks like and all for free!!!
"Mike Hohenshilt" <hohensm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:udWMGLAcCHA.2352@tkmsftngp12...
> I agree, i wouldn't do it if it didn't count. But there is a type of
person
> that would.
>
>
> "Al Manint" <al_manint@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:#8SHqZ9bCHA.2188@tkmsftngp08...
> > Heh,
> >
> > There is no way I would take a beta that didn't count. I'm gearing up
for
> > the 5 hour marathon to get my MCSD.NET.
> >
> > --Al
> >
> > "Mike Hohenshilt" <hohensm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uJ#DeE7bCHA.2592@tkmsftngp09...
> > > Hmmm...I did not realize, that the betas count towards certification.
I[col
or=darkred]
> > > thought if you passed, you were in good shape for taking the final[/color]
exam. [colo
r=darkred]
> > > Now I see.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
> > > news:#KmG6Y6bCHA.1652@tkmsftngp11...
> > > > "Gregor Suttie" <gsuttie2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:#Ng7AA2bCHA.1808@tkmsftngp10...
> > > >
> > > > > I also think its good to pass the exams just after theyve went[/color]
live
> > and
> > > > not
> > > > > to have passed using the beta's.
> > > > > Fair point there longer and more questions but its a beta and
> slightly
> > > > > different from the live one.
> > > >
> > > > There really are no differences in the validity of beta vs. live,
> > > especially
> > > > when an exam is initially live. Beta testers have to wait to get
their
> > > > results, but are then scored on exactly the same questions that go
in
> > the
> > > > live pool. So while as with software, the 'beta' means there are
flaws
> > in
> > > > some questions during a beta, the wait period allows MS to eliminate
> all
> > > of
> > > > those from the calculation of results.
> > > >
> > > > The statistics gathered by the beta ensure that the beta is neither
> > easier
> > > > nor more difficult to pass than the live version, and the initial
live[
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> > > > version will be composed entirely of a subset of questions that were
> on
> > > the
> > > > beta. There will be no changed questions and no new questions,[/color]
though
> > > there
> > > > usually will be a small number removed from the pool that beta
> > statistics
> > > > determine are invalid. Over time, new questions will be introduced
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> > the
> > > > question pool, but only after statistics are gathered as for the
beta[
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> > > > questions. MS often does this by including a few unscored 'beta'
> > questions
> > > > on live exams.
> > > >
> > > > So while there's really nothing extra special about passing the[/color]
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> I
> > > > don't think you can make a case that it's better in any way to pass
> the
> > > live
> > > > exam instead.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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