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One more BS issue-Am I the only fool following the rules?
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| Harry Potter 2002-10-05, 6:40 pm |
| I only took the C#(XML, ASP.NET) Betas and didn't take any VB.NET betas,
BECAUSE I read on the invitation letter that I suppose ONLY allowed to take
one of two free(either C# or VB.NET, not both), if anyone of you still have
the invitation letter, perhaps you could check it out for me.
But it seems MANY people took BOTH C# and VB.NET exams and get their MCAD
already, while I have to wait for C# ASP.NET result until now, and even if I
pass it, I still need take one more such as biztalk2000 to get MCAD-as I
don't have interest taking the Winform exam.
"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
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> "Phil Griffin" <phil@ardnas.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:81077f1c.0209190449.4caf2e01@posting.google.com...
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> > My only real complaint is the way results trickle out, surely the test
> > providers and MS can arrange for all results to be posted around the
> > same time?
>
> You would think, but as I remember the same thing happened with results
from
> the VC++ 6 beta exams. Not only did I not see results until soon after the
> exams went live, but the dates on my transcript was something like 2 days
> before it went live (about 6 months after the betas). I had to fax in
copies
> of my "Do not lose this!" score sheets to get them to fix it. Just in case
I
> was lying and had actually taken the exams when they weren't available.
>
> I was hoping that the unusual delay after announcing an exam date and
anyone
> seeing any beta results meant they were making sure results reporting was
> being synchronized, but there are too many people who passed both other
> betas for me to believe everyone without results so far has failed this
one.
> I even wonder if it means the beta process ignored some data. If there are
> no results, does it mean MS did not have your beta info at all until now?
It
> would be a shame if their process for finalizing the live exam question
pool
> & cut score ignored valid data. Maybe they wouldn't even have needed to
> extend the beta if they'd gotten everyone's exam attempt properly.
>
> It's pretty ironic how the exams push the bleeding edge so hard and
> instantly deprecate 'legacy' technology like COM and ADO, but the exam
> delivery and certification tracking systems are obviously implemented
using
> far cruder technology. Which wouldn't be so embarrassing if it actually
> worked reasonably well (as a lot of 'crude' systems do). I wouldn't be
> surprised if there's a big .XLS file that gets emailed overseas for manual
> data entry of new exam results, and then emailed back. Except there's an
> extra step somewhere where completed certifications and MCT TCEC credits
are
> calculated separately.
>
> OK, maybe it's not email. They might put it on tape and ship it via
> overnight courier.
>
> I understand MS is working with 3rd parties (VUE and Prometric), but
that's
> pretty much how it is for those of us in the Real World too.
>
>
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| "Harry Potter" <harry.spam@msn.com> wrote in message
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> I only took the C#(XML, ASP.NET) Betas and didn't take any VB.NET betas,
> BECAUSE I read on the invitation letter that I suppose ONLY allowed to
take
> one of two free(either C# or VB.NET, not both), if anyone of you still
have
> the invitation letter, perhaps you could check it out for me.
>
> But it seems MANY people took BOTH C# and VB.NET exams and get their MCAD
> already, while I have to wait for C# ASP.NET result until now, and even if
I
> pass it, I still need take one more such as biztalk2000 to get MCAD-as I
> don't have interest taking the Winform exam.
No, I think most people followed the rules, but to whine a little more about
the system, I don't believe it was actually enforced. AFAIK, many exam
taking 'rules' are not enforced (like no retakes after passing). Who are the
MANY you refer to? I don't remember seeing any posts in the newsgroups about
it.
In any case, taking both languages could not help anyone become an MCAD any
sooner. Only one would count toward anything. The first MCADs already had an
elective, like Biztalk or SQL 2000 Design, and passed the 306/316 and
310/320 betas.
BTW, MS has said that the 'one language' rule only applied to the beta.
Taking the 'other' exams won't count toward a certification, but I think I
may do it just to avoid having to explain the redundancy to someone reading
my resume or transcript. You may want to rethink taking a Winform exam since
it is required for the MCSD.Net certification.
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| Harry Potter 2002-10-05, 6:40 pm |
| Anyway, I noticed a post on the threads about the last result of 305 and
315, some people mentioned he/she passed VB.NET already so no need to wait
for the C# result; another guy Atli Bjorgvin Oddsson mentioned he did C# and
VB.NET(maybe C# Winform + ASP.NET with VB.NET?)-Tim, you actually followed
his post .
One annoying fact is if the rules are not enforced, people could take
advantage of that-as the exams are mirrored in their contents.
http://groups.google.ca/groups?hl=e...readm=%23J4i9V6
JCHA.2520%40tkmsftngp08&rnum=22&prev=/ groups%3Fq%3Dmcad%2BC%2523%2BV
b..NET%2
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"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
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> "Harry Potter" <harry.spam@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:ufni9.367412$Ag2.16717269@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > I only took the C#(XML, ASP.NET) Betas and didn't take any VB.NET betas,
> > BECAUSE I read on the invitation letter that I suppose ONLY allowed to
> take
> > one of two free(either C# or VB.NET, not both), if anyone of you still
> have
> > the invitation letter, perhaps you could check it out for me.
> >
> > But it seems MANY people took BOTH C# and VB.NET exams and get their
MCAD
> > already, while I have to wait for C# ASP.NET result until now, and even
if
> I
> > pass it, I still need take one more such as biztalk2000 to get MCAD-as I
> > don't have interest taking the Winform exam.
>
> No, I think most people followed the rules, but to whine a little more
about
> the system, I don't believe it was actually enforced. AFAIK, many exam
> taking 'rules' are not enforced (like no retakes after passing). Who are
the
> MANY you refer to? I don't remember seeing any posts in the newsgroups
about
> it.
>
> In any case, taking both languages could not help anyone become an MCAD
any
> sooner. Only one would count toward anything. The first MCADs already had
an
> elective, like Biztalk or SQL 2000 Design, and passed the 306/316 and
> 310/320 betas.
>
> BTW, MS has said that the 'one language' rule only applied to the beta.
> Taking the 'other' exams won't count toward a certification, but I think I
> may do it just to avoid having to explain the redundancy to someone
reading
> my resume or transcript. You may want to rethink taking a Winform exam
since
> it is required for the MCSD.Net certification.
>
>
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| "Harry Potter" <harry.spam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:MLoi9.368285$Ag2.16724635@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> Anyway, I noticed a post on the threads about the last result of 305 and
> 315, some people mentioned he/she passed VB.NET already so no need to wait
> for the C# result; another guy Atli Bjorgvin Oddsson mentioned he did C#
and
> VB.NET(maybe C# Winform + ASP.NET with VB.NET?)-Tim, you actually
followed
> his post.
I'm sure there were some who took advantage, and I think I actually
overlooked that apparent info in Atli's post to pay attention to his real
question. Though my selective memory is also very impressive!
Also, I believe the invitations for the 306/316 exams (and from the date I
think that's what Atli must have referred to) did NOT mention this rule, so
I'm sure there were more who did both of those. I know the rule was pretty
prominent on the later exam invitations.
> One annoying fact is if the rules are not enforced, people could take
> advantage of that-as the exams are mirrored in their contents.
Well, again, now that the beta is over, there is no rule about taking both
versions of the exams.But still, it really waters down the retake
restriction. Don't want to wait 2 weeks to retake? Just take the version for
the other language. Though I've heard there's a longstanding 'workaround'
for retakes that works for any exam.
You would think it would be trivial for MS to screen the data from beta
exams to ensure they only look at those who met the prerequisites and had
not been spoiled by exposure to the same questions for the other language,
but given all the flaws apparent in the system, but it seems similarly
trivial to have mechanisms that prevent the bad data in the first place.
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