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| Alex Cohen, MCSE, MCDBA, MCT 2002-10-05, 6:38 pm |
| The best training tool: YOU.
My thoughts on Transcenders: They offered students, beginners, interns and
even many professionals a "boost" in getting a job during a time in market
where the price was right and time was of the essence. Times have obviously
changed. I say take your time, forget transcenders, and go at the technology
with best tool you already have....your old noggin!
Don't get me wrong guys, Transcenders are in deed great. But they are a
shortcut. Would you pay for a product/service where the providers took
shortcuts? Forget the shortcut Sorin, go at it long and hard. Turn Sorin
into a quality product/service. There is no rush on quality.
Regards,
Alex
"sorin" <snohai1973@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:u2Uro5cVCHA.3844@tkmsftngp08...
> I'm new to the certification.
> I've seen a lot of people talking about using Transcender to prepare for
> exams. Are they worth? 70-316 is $129 or am I looking at the wrong thing?
> The exam itself is $125. Isn't it more useful and cheaper to give it a try
> with the exam and if failed try again? Isn't the real exam itself going to
> give you a better idea about the real exam?
> You are taking the exam because you know the stuff, not because you have
to
> take it for school or something. You want to pass it when you're ready and
> because you're ready, not because you really need the cert no matter what.
> For me it is like: I know the stuff so why don't I take the exam? It
isn't:
> I HAVE to take the exam so I better get prepared by all means (school
> situation type).
> What am I missing here?
>
> Sorin
>
>
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| Yahoo496 2002-10-05, 6:39 pm |
| Blah, Blah, Blah...
Of course "The best training tool: YOU.". But YOU need books, software,
hardware, and ...
Go with the shortcut Sorin. And BTW is not a shortcut. It will order your
thoughts. To answer their questions you need to know the material. There are
not the questions from the exam. There are build using the same technique
and pointing to the same knowledge you need to know. I will help you to know
what you do need to study more and where is your weakness.
Do you Yahoo?
"Alex Cohen, MCSE, MCDBA, MCT" <nospam@please.com> wrote in message
news:#jjZOXvVCHA.3740@tkmsftngp08...
The best training tool: YOU.
My thoughts on Transcenders: They offered students, beginners, interns and
even many professionals a "boost" in getting a job during a time in market
where the price was right and time was of the essence. Times have obviously
changed. I say take your time, forget transcenders, and go at the technology
with best tool you already have....your old noggin!
Don't get me wrong guys, Transcenders are in deed great. But they are a
shortcut. Would you pay for a product/service where the providers took
shortcuts? Forget the shortcut Sorin, go at it long and hard. Turn Sorin
into a quality product/service. There is no rush on quality.
Regards,
Alex
"sorin" <snohai1973@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:u2Uro5cVCHA.3844@tkmsftngp08...
> I'm new to the certification.
> I've seen a lot of people talking about using Transcender to prepare for
> exams. Are they worth? 70-316 is $129 or am I looking at the wrong thing?
> The exam itself is $125. Isn't it more useful and cheaper to give it a try
> with the exam and if failed try again? Isn't the real exam itself going to
> give you a better idea about the real exam?
> You are taking the exam because you know the stuff, not because you have
to
> take it for school or something. You want to pass it when you're ready and
> because you're ready, not because you really need the cert no matter what.
> For me it is like: I know the stuff so why don't I take the exam? It
isn't:
> I HAVE to take the exam so I better get prepared by all means (school
> situation type).
> What am I missing here?
>
> Sorin
>
>
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| Darwin Fisk 2002-10-05, 6:39 pm |
| When I first started doing MS testing I found that knowing the format and
understanding what testing techniques might be employed was essential to my
success. I would go with the Transcender, or any one of the more popular
test preps, once you know the material. After you've taken one or two MS
tests, they are less necessary.
Hope this helps,
DAF
--
Darwin A. Fisk Jr.; MCSE, MCDBA, MCAD
President,
Dot Net Designs LLC
Enabling business by inovation & integration
"sorin" <snohai1973@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:u2Uro5cVCHA.3844@tkmsftngp08...
> I'm new to the certification.
> I've seen a lot of people talking about using Transcender to prepare for
> exams. Are they worth? 70-316 is $129 or am I looking at the wrong thing?
> The exam itself is $125. Isn't it more useful and cheaper to give it a try
> with the exam and if failed try again? Isn't the real exam itself going to
> give you a better idea about the real exam?
> You are taking the exam because you know the stuff, not because you have
to
> take it for school or something. You want to pass it when you're ready and
> because you're ready, not because you really need the cert no matter what.
> For me it is like: I know the stuff so why don't I take the exam? It
isn't:
> I HAVE to take the exam so I better get prepared by all means (school
> situation type).
> What am I missing here?
>
> Sorin
>
>
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| Gillian White 2002-10-05, 6:40 pm |
| "sorin" <snohai1973@netzero.net> wrote in message news:<u2Uro5cVCHA.3844@tkmsftngp08>...
> I'm new to the certification.
> I've seen a lot of people talking about using Transcender to prepare for
> exams. Are they worth? 70-316 is $129 or am I looking at the wrong thing?
> The exam itself is $125. Isn't it more useful and cheaper to give it a try
> with the exam and if failed try again? Isn't the real exam itself going to
> give you a better idea about the real exam?
The VB Desktop exam was the first Microsoft certification I passed. I
studied for it by reading books, working through examples, reading
MSDN - you name it, I looked at it.
My company decided to purchase the Transcender exams to help me out. I
was sure that I wouldn't need them, because I knew the material inside
out and back to front. I sat the practice test, and failed it
miserably. Not because I didn't know the material, but because I
didn't know how to decipher the questions.
The exams are not a shortcut or an easy option. They are simply
another studying tool. I would probably have failed the VB Desktop
exam if I hadn't used them. For instance, my official Microsoft book
said Version Compatability would not be included in the real exam, but
it was in the Transcender exam. I studied up on the topic as a result
of this, and when it *did* appear in the real exam, I knew how to
answer it.
I used the practice tests for the VB Distributed exam, but didn't buy
one for the Visual InterDev exam, mostly because I would have to pay
for it myself, and I couldn't afford it ;-). I don't think I really
needed it for the InterDev exam, because I understood the exam format
by then, and knew what to expect.
If you're just starting out on your first exam, I would advise you to
have a look, just so you're that bit more prepared. If you don't spend
ten minutes at the start of the exam panicking because you don't think
you understand the question, you'll probably do much better.
Of course, you could just treat a failed real test as experience, but
it's not much of a morale booster. I can fail the Transcender tests in
the privacy of my own home without anyone knowing about it ;-). I have
never failed a real exam in my life, and I'm not in any hurry to
start...
Gillian
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| You're right! I only included all of my credentials to indicate that I know
of what I speak - I've been there. But to each, his own. No two people
study in the exact same way. I will tell you that I have had many, many
students over the years and the majority of them have been successful using
my methodology, but Transcenders are only one way to go. They are a great
road map, but you can certainly find your way on your own.
Good luck,
Don
etc, etc, etc...
"Tim" <spammers@begone> wrote in message
news:eeTqT#fVCHA.2720@tkmsftngp10...
> Don makes good points, but don't let his acronyms make your decision.
>
> I think the choice is a lot like whether or not you take classes. It
depends
> on you. For some, it's a very worthwhile investment, for others it's a
> waste.
>
> While I've passed a ton of exams without using Transcenders, I have also
> seen a half dozen or so of them (the training company where I occasionally
> teach gives them to students) and they do seem pretty good. In comparison
to
> the free demos I've seen of other practice exams, I think they're probably
> worth the relatively high price. IF you need or want that kind of
> preparation of course.
>
> "TripleClick" <shaunkt@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news aae9.8391$rU2.243836@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > I was about to agree with you Sorin... I never saw the purpose of them.
> But
> > Don has quite a few letters after his name... :-O
> >
> >
> > "sorin" <snohai1973@netzero.net> wrote in message
> > news:u2Uro5cVCHA.3844@tkmsftngp08...
> > > I'm new to the certification.
> > > I've seen a lot of people talking about using Transcender to prepare
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> > > exams. Are they worth? 70-316 is $129 or am I looking at the wrong
> thing?
> > > The exam itself is $125. Isn't it more useful and cheaper to give it a
> try
> > > with the exam and if failed try again? Isn't the real exam itself[/color]
going
> to
> > > give you a better idea about the real exam?
> > > You are taking the exam because you know the stuff, not because you
have
> > to
> > > take it for school or something. You want to pass it when you're ready
> and
> > > because you're ready, not because you really need the cert no matter
> what.
> > > For me it is like: I know the stuff so why don't I take the exam? It
> > isn't:
> > > I HAVE to take the exam so I better get prepared by all means (school
> > > situation type).
> > > What am I missing here?
> > >
> > > Sorin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Mark D Shaffer 2002-10-05, 6:40 pm |
| Boson (www.boson.com) or Quizware may be options that may fit into your
budget as well. If you do some searching on the web you may also find more
sample questions in which use as study material. Just make sure you cross
reference what every you use with the curriculum and the MSDN library.
"sorin" <snohai1973@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:u2Uro5cVCHA.3844@tkmsftngp08...
> I'm new to the certification.
> I've seen a lot of people talking about using Transcender to prepare for
> exams. Are they worth? 70-316 is $129 or am I looking at the wrong thing?
> The exam itself is $125. Isn't it more useful and cheaper to give it a try
> with the exam and if failed try again? Isn't the real exam itself going to
> give you a better idea about the real exam?
> You are taking the exam because you know the stuff, not because you have
to
> take it for school or something. You want to pass it when you're ready and
> because you're ready, not because you really need the cert no matter what.
> For me it is like: I know the stuff so why don't I take the exam? It
isn't:
> I HAVE to take the exam so I better get prepared by all means (school
> situation type).
> What am I missing here?
>
> Sorin
>
>
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| Patrick 2002-10-05, 6:40 pm |
| And don't forget that you can download the Transcender free trials, which
are useful.
--
Patrick Mullin,
MCSD (VB6).
Email <first name> at AuroraDigitalis dot com
"Mark D Shaffer" <echo08@bestnetpc.com> wrote in message
news:eL5i7NxXCHA.4172@tkmsftngp08...
> Boson (www.boson.com) or Quizware may be options that may fit into your
> budget as well. If you do some searching on the web you may also find
more
> sample questions in which use as study material. Just make sure you
cross
> reference what every you use with the curriculum and the MSDN library.
> "sorin" <snohai1973@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:u2Uro5cVCHA.3844@tkmsftngp08...
> > I'm new to the certification.
> > I've seen a lot of people talking about using Transcender to prepare for
> > exams. Are they worth? 70-316 is $129 or am I looking at the wrong
thing?
> > The exam itself is $125. Isn't it more useful and cheaper to give it a
try
> > with the exam and if failed try again? Isn't the real exam itself going
to
> > give you a better idea about the real exam?
> > You are taking the exam because you know the stuff, not because you have
> to
> > take it for school or something. You want to pass it when you're ready
and
> > because you're ready, not because you really need the cert no matter
what.
> > For me it is like: I know the stuff so why don't I take the exam? It
> isn't:
> > I HAVE to take the exam so I better get prepared by all means (school
> > situation type).
> > What am I missing here?
> >
> > Sorin
> >
> >
>
>
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