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does anyone else think this is crazy
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| LONDELL 2003-01-15, 8:23 pm |
| I work for a company specializes in offering computer solutions. However
they don't request certifications for certain IS functions. They do however
want applicants to have Bachelors and Masters degrees. And education
reimbursement program that they have does not pay fir courses that lead up
to certification. Now I can except that certain companies out there would
want that, but not to even acknowledge that certifications are where most of
the IT field is today. Does anyone else find this weird?
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| Alan Davis 2003-01-16, 3:23 am |
| Not to me. I do see the importance of degrees, but this would come a
distant 2nd behind experience.
Microsoft certifications have been totally undermined over the past
four years or so. The format of many of their exams make it easy for
anyone to pass, even those people with no experience. This is petty,
but a fact. As such employers, see little benefit in them.
>I work for a company specializes in offering computer solutions. However
>they don't request certifications for certain IS functions. They do however
>want applicants to have Bachelors and Masters degrees. And education
>reimbursement program that they have does not pay fir courses that lead up
>to certification. Now I can except that certain companies out there would
>want that, but not to even acknowledge that certifications are where most of
>the IT field is today. Does anyone else find this weird?
>
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| Greg Low 2003-01-16, 7:23 pm |
| Conversely, someone who claims to have the knowledge but does not have the
certs should then have no trouble gaining them.
We've locally seen a number of employers who, when you say "I know the
material but haven't bothered sitting for the test", then say "That's ok. We
can book you in for the test tomorrow. Come back after the test and we'll
talk further".
A significant number of "knowlegable" employees go very quiet at that point.
The capable ones go and do the test and come back having passed it. If
you've worked with the product for a long time at a detailed level (as many
claim to have), sitting for the test is no big deal.
Greg Low
Brisbane, Oztralia
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> Not to me. I do see the importance of degrees, but this would come a
> distant 2nd behind experience.
>
> Microsoft certifications have been totally undermined over the past
> four years or so. The format of many of their exams make it easy for
> anyone to pass, even those people with no experience. This is petty,
> but a fact. As such employers, see little benefit in them.
>
> >I work for a company specializes in offering computer solutions. However
> >they don't request certifications for certain IS functions. They do
however
> >want applicants to have Bachelors and Masters degrees. And education
> >reimbursement program that they have does not pay fir courses that lead
up
> >to certification. Now I can except that certain companies out there would
> >want that, but not to even acknowledge that certifications are where most
of
> >the IT field is today. Does anyone else find this weird?
> >
>
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| Sir Big Mac 2003-01-16, 10:23 pm |
| If American employers had done things like this a few years back, the MCSE
would still be worth something and not just the paper it is printed on.
srb
Greg Low wrote in message ...
>Conversely, someone who claims to have the knowledge but does not have the
>certs should then have no trouble gaining them.
>
>We've locally seen a number of employers who, when you say "I know the
>material but haven't bothered sitting for the test", then say "That's ok.
We
>can book you in for the test tomorrow. Come back after the test and we'll
>talk further".
>
>A significant number of "knowlegable" employees go very quiet at that
point.
>The capable ones go and do the test and come back having passed it. If
>you've worked with the product for a long time at a detailed level (as many
>claim to have), sitting for the test is no big deal.
>
>Greg Low
>Brisbane, Oztralia
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| Alan Davis 2003-01-17, 2:23 am |
| >If American employers had done things like this a few years back, the MCSE
>would still be worth something and not just the paper it is printed on.
>
The mcse/mcdba certs should be conducted in the manner which Oracle
and Cisco conduct their top certification processes.
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