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Average time for mcse
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| I would say thats normal. But I know some people that have
done it in seven months.
>-----Original Message-----
>Anybody ever come across a web-site with global or
national figures relating to the average/usual/best amount
of time taken to complete MCSE certification from start
to finish? (ie. all the required exams for mcse-2000
tract) I've just completed my last exam for mcse
certification (wrote it this morning, as a matter of fact)
and altogether it's taken me about 13 months from start to
finish. Anyone know if this is average, good, quick, etc.
compared to the norm?
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| Consultant 2004-05-04, 6:24 pm |
| there's quite a few people who have done it in 2-3 weeks. they work at
burger king
"coolG" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I would say thats normal. But I know some people that have
> done it in seven months.
> national figures relating to the average/usual/best amount
> of time taken to complete MCSE certification from start
> to finish? (ie. all the required exams for mcse-2000
> tract) I've just completed my last exam for mcse
> certification (wrote it this morning, as a matter of fact)
> and altogether it's taken me about 13 months from start to
> finish. Anyone know if this is average, good, quick, etc.
> compared to the norm?
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-05-04, 6:24 pm |
| >there's quite a few people who have done it in 2-3 weeks. they work at
>burger king
the best
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| Anywhere from 12 weeks to 15 months depending your
availibility, work schedule and experience!
There are boot camp that advertised in 21 days to obtain
your MCSE! Of course that is braindump and you will not
learn anything from the camp. Just to setup the lab, do
the exercises will take that long and you can forgot
about the learning part.
>-----Original Message-----
>there's quite a few people who have done it in 2-3
weeks. they work at
>burger king
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| "chop" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in news:837b01c43226
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> There are boot camp that advertised in 21 days to obtain
> your MCSE! Of course that is braindump and you will not
> learn anything from the camp. Just to setup the lab, do
> the exercises will take that long and you can forgot
> about the learning part.
>
Agreed, I don't believe that you can learn what you need to do the job at
a boot camp. Certification should be to prove that you can do the job not
just pass a test.
--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| Rowdy Yates 2004-05-04, 11:24 pm |
| Neil <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in
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> "chop" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> news:837b01c43226 $2b7db060$a401280a@phx.gbl:
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> Agreed, I don't believe that you can learn what you need to do the job
> at a boot camp. Certification should be to prove that you can do the
> job not just pass a test.
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don't you get it? they are in a hurry before the MCSE expires on them.
Rowdy Yates, MCSE
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"it's a work in progress" :-(
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| noreaster 2004-05-04, 11:24 pm |
| Ditto! There's a lot to be gained, in confidence, knowledge,
capability and pride by doing it the legitimate (right) way.
Why spend all that $$$ at a bootcamp for a piece of paper
that will do no good in the real world. Even if you get a job,
it won't take long for a real company to detect your lack of
real world skills. Get experience, study hard, learn the topics
and pass the exams.
Then sit home watching the grass grow while all the good
jobs get shipped overseas. ;-(
-noreaster
----- Neil wrote: -----
Agreed, I don't believe that you can learn what you need to do the job at
a boot camp. Certification should be to prove that you can do the job not
just pass a test.
--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| I don't know if I agree with the 7 to 13 month period that some people are
saying. I currently just have mcsa 2003, but it took 5 weeks to pass the 4
tests for that. The other three for mcse, I'm projecting 2 to 2 1/2 months.
I do have more time to study, since I was downsized, but I also have about
20 years experience in the field. Maybe I should count that 20 years as part
of the cert time also.
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> Neil <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in
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> don't you get it? they are in a hurry before the MCSE expires on them.
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> Rowdy Yates, MCSE
> --
> Rowdy's Home Page
> http://rowdy_yates2.tripod.com/
> "it's a work in progress" :-(
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| "poco" <poco3000@yahoo.com> wrote in news:c7arl90d6f@news2.newsguy.com:
> Maybe I should count that 20 years as part
> of the cert time also.
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yup. so then you have studied for 20 years and 5weeks to get your MCSA.
sounds reasonable....
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Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-05-05, 2:23 pm |
| >Certification should be to prove that you can do the job not
>just pass a test.
Cangrates Neil, you have just won the jackpot!!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:17:25 +0100, declaimed:
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> Cangrates Neil, you have just won the jackpot!!
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No he didn't
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| zenner 2004-05-05, 2:23 pm |
| Something to think about :
There is a case for Boot Camps! Really, there is a case for the legitimate
use of Boot Camps.
There are any number of Microsoft administrators that have been in the
business for years, are self taught and competent. However, in the
day-to-day frenzy to keep up with patches, security, upgraded,
documentation, administration...they just never found the time to get
certified. Then along comes either a promotion or the reverse...downsizing.
Either by "suggestion", fear, or HR edict...they need to become certified in
a short time.
This is a case which heralds as a legitimate use of Boot Camps. This person
only needs guidance in what is expected on a test, to best prepare his mind
for what may be called for on a test. We all know that a test will cover
areas that are seldom or never presented in a day-to-day stable "production"
network. Truly, in the case of a lot of design, migration, install and
policy issues...many companies will routinely hire consultants instead of
allowing in-house staff a chance to perform the task. There may be legal, or
scheduling exigencies that dictate the practice, but it leaves a gap in
their training and only further narrows the pool of fully competent MCSE's.
In many cases a gifted MCSE has to go the consultant route to get any real
respect from his former employer.
In reality, only about 10% - 20% of boot camp candidates, probably, fit the
above model, but they do exist. IF for the sake of that reason alone, we
with hold judgment, until we work with the individual ... then that is
enough reason to have a legitimate question about Boot Camp graduates...but
not hold a blanket condemnation against all of them. We have all heard of
the rare individual that completes college at an accelerated
rate...graduating before puberty in some cases. Are they all fakes?
"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> there's quite a few people who have done it in 2-3 weeks. they work at
> burger king
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> "coolG" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-05-05, 2:23 pm |
| >>>Certification should be to prove that you can do the job not just pass a
>No he didn't
No he did
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
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> jackpot!!
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send it to JaR to pay off my Ferrari/Breast enlargement...
--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
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> No he did
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> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
not this againg...
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Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| FrisbeeŽ 2004-05-05, 3:24 pm |
| > Something to think about :
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> There is a case for Boot Camps! Really, there is a case for the
> legitimate use of Boot Camps.
I'm one of the few in the minority who agree with you there.
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Fris "Just waiting for a free one" beeŽ
Certaholics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
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| FrisbeeŽ 2004-05-05, 3:24 pm |
| Neil wrote:
> The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
> news:qb8i90t08ule0attb7gcofk2q
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> send it to JaR to pay off my Ferrari/Breast enlargement...
Why would you want to get your Ferrari's breasts enlarged?
--
Fris "your mileage may vary" beeŽ
Certaholics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-05-05, 3:24 pm |
| >Why would you want to get your Ferrari's breasts enlarged?
oh just look at those bumpers!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-05-05, 3:24 pm |
| >> Something to think about :
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>I'm one of the few in the minority who agree with you there.
The type of experienced people that zenner was referring to, would not
need boot camps. Yes, people need training, good training conducted by
good trainers, I can't see how boot camps perform fall into that role.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
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> oh just look at those bumpers!
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> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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stop revving my engine and honking my horn...
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Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| FrisbeeŽ <billLASTINIT@dasi-software.com> wrote in news:#3q6RrsMEHA.1312
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> Why would you want to get your Ferrari's breasts enlarged?
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so they will fit in that car bra thing...
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Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| FrisbeeŽ <billLASTINIT@dasi-software.com> wrote in news:#pYaIqsMEHA.2876
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> I'm one of the few in the minority who agree with you there.
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personally I think "legitimate" and "Boot Camp" shouldn't be used in the
same sentence. If there is a need for quick learning specific to a product
to bring you up to speed so that you can use it, fine. It's when you add in
the phrase "certification" implying that someone should be fully proficient
in something, that I take offense. If you already know the product you
should _NOT_ need to have a boot camp help you out. If you don't have the
prior knowledge, you shouldn't "suddenly" (with in a couple of weeks) get
it. My 2˘
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Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-05-05, 4:23 pm |
| >personally I think "legitimate" and "Boot Camp" shouldn't be used in the
>same sentence. If there is a need for quick learning specific to a product
>to bring you up to speed so that you can use it, fine. It's when you add in
>the phrase "certification" implying that someone should be fully proficient
>in something, that I take offense. If you already know the product you
>should _NOT_ need to have a boot camp help you out. If you don't have the
>prior knowledge, you shouldn't "suddenly" (with in a couple of weeks) get
>it. My 2˘
Exactly
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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