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| cybersoldier01 2004-03-29, 5:24 pm |
| I believe that certifications, when properly evaluated
against everything else that a candidate has to offer, are
valuable. I also believe that a certain amount of
marketing is needed to present yourself in a
professionally acceptable manner.
That said, I am somewhat amused to mildly annoyed by some
people who attach a long string of initials after their
names. It's fine to say, for example, "John Doe, MCSE,
CCNP, CNE". But since when did it become stylish to
list "MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCSE+I, MCSE-Security"???
It's like listing the fact that you graduated from
kindergarten in your curriculum vitae, alongside your post-
doctoral research in physics.
My two cents,
cybersoldier01
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| Sartan Dragonbane 2004-03-29, 7:23 pm |
| Some HR people don't know, for example, that many MCSEs are MCSAs and MCPs
and A+ and Network+ etc etc. They're only concerned with 'buzz words'
"cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in message
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> I believe that certifications, when properly evaluated
> against everything else that a candidate has to offer, are
> valuable. I also believe that a certain amount of
> marketing is needed to present yourself in a
> professionally acceptable manner.
>
> That said, I am somewhat amused to mildly annoyed by some
> people who attach a long string of initials after their
> names. It's fine to say, for example, "John Doe, MCSE,
> CCNP, CNE". But since when did it become stylish to
> list "MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCSE+I, MCSE-Security"???
>
> It's like listing the fact that you graduated from
> kindergarten in your curriculum vitae, alongside your post-
> doctoral research in physics.
>
> My two cents,
>
> cybersoldier01
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| Brendon Rogers 2004-03-29, 7:23 pm |
| I have to agree with you. They probably have all their certs framed above
their desks too. And the lapel pin.....
"cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in message
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> I believe that certifications, when properly evaluated
> against everything else that a candidate has to offer, are
> valuable. I also believe that a certain amount of
> marketing is needed to present yourself in a
> professionally acceptable manner.
>
> That said, I am somewhat amused to mildly annoyed by some
> people who attach a long string of initials after their
> names. It's fine to say, for example, "John Doe, MCSE,
> CCNP, CNE". But since when did it become stylish to
> list "MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCSE+I, MCSE-Security"???
>
> It's like listing the fact that you graduated from
> kindergarten in your curriculum vitae, alongside your post-
> doctoral research in physics.
>
> My two cents,
>
> cybersoldier01
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| Colin Nash [MVP] 2004-03-29, 8:23 pm |
| I'm going to start listing my CPR/First Aid certification after my name 
--
Colin Nash
Microsoft MVP - Windows Printing/Imaging/Hardware
First Aid/CPR Certified
"cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in message
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> I believe that certifications, when properly evaluated
> against everything else that a candidate has to offer, are
> valuable. I also believe that a certain amount of
> marketing is needed to present yourself in a
> professionally acceptable manner.
>
> That said, I am somewhat amused to mildly annoyed by some
> people who attach a long string of initials after their
> names. It's fine to say, for example, "John Doe, MCSE,
> CCNP, CNE". But since when did it become stylish to
> list "MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCSE+I, MCSE-Security"???
>
> It's like listing the fact that you graduated from
> kindergarten in your curriculum vitae, alongside your post-
> doctoral research in physics.
>
> My two cents,
>
> cybersoldier01
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| seems silly to list MCP when you have MCSE or MCSA... fact is, you need 7
MCPs to get 1 MCSE... but most HR people do not know this... I dropped the
MCP from mine the day I got my MCSE... but I also have MCSA, CCNA, CNA and
A+... now I am studying for my CCNP... but once I have that one I will drop
my CCNA because you need to have CCNA to get your CCNP. But it still leads
to a very long sig block... add my name and rank and it does not fit on a
biz card unless you use a second line. I eliminated them entirely from my
resume but used one of the first sections to state what certifications I
have taken... mcp - 210, 215, etc, mcse, mcsa, ccna, cna and A+... this way
it does not bog down my resume but employers still see what I hold and it
still gets picked up on database searches when employers state they want
certain criteria. Still not the best solution but if employers want these
things, we have to show we have them or we get skipped over. My cover
letter only states that I have several industry certifications... they have
to read my resume to find out what specifically I hold... but then cover
letters are not entered in their databases (normally anyway)... so is my way
better? maybe... maybe not but it does not intimidate or confuse the HR
staff.
--
Sue MCNGP #69
"cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in message
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> I believe that certifications, when properly evaluated
> against everything else that a candidate has to offer, are
> valuable. I also believe that a certain amount of
> marketing is needed to present yourself in a
> professionally acceptable manner.
>
> That said, I am somewhat amused to mildly annoyed by some
> people who attach a long string of initials after their
> names. It's fine to say, for example, "John Doe, MCSE,
> CCNP, CNE". But since when did it become stylish to
> list "MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCSE+I, MCSE-Security"???
>
> It's like listing the fact that you graduated from
> kindergarten in your curriculum vitae, alongside your post-
> doctoral research in physics.
>
> My two cents,
>
> cybersoldier01
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| "cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in
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> That said, I am somewhat amused to mildly annoyed by some
> people who attach a long string of initials after their
> names. It's fine to say, for example, "John Doe, MCSE,
> CCNP, CNE". But since when did it become stylish to
> list "MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCSE+I, MCSE-Security"???
might be true but it is kind of fun to have a foldout business card.
oh and I usually don't do this but...
--
Neil A+, Networking+, Server+, Compaq AIS, Compaq APS, Compaq ASE, HP
CSC/MS Clusters, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, MCSE+I, MCSA, MCDBA, MCT, CCDA...(those
are the current ones though I might be missing a few <grin> )
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| "Brendon Rogers" <brendon@nospam-itology.net> wrote in
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> And the lapel pin.....
>
mmmmm, the chick magnet!
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| "Colin Nash [MVP]" <cnash-REMOVETHIS-@mvps.org> wrote in
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> I'm going to start listing my CPR/First Aid certification after my
> name
hey I've got some old Boy Scout badges I could toss around...
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| "Brat" < likeIwouldtellyou@inyourdreams
.com> wrote in news:RQ3ac.4113
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> maybe not but it does not intimidate or confuse the HR
> staff.
>
hardly seems fun. I try to prove my worth with skills, not certs.
Experience should hold more weight. If they want to see certs I can provide
them, but I don't want to sit on them. I get certs to learn new skills and
prove I have mastered (to a degree) those skills. Then I put those skills
to work so I can get the experience. sounds like a plan to me...
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| DalePres 2004-03-29, 11:23 pm |
| But HR people don't read micrsoft certification newsgroups.... The only
people who see it here know what it means.
Dale
"Sartan Dragonbane" <NOSPAMHERE@YOUMOMMA.NULL.COM> wrote in message
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> Some HR people don't know, for example, that many MCSEs are MCSAs and MCPs
> and A+ and Network+ etc etc. They're only concerned with 'buzz words'
>
> "cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in message
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:23 am |
| >I'm going to start listing my CPR/First Aid certification after my name
Certainly worth putting on the resume though.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:23 am |
| >hey I've got some old Boy Scout badges I could toss around...
Which ones?
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:23 am |
| >The only
>people who see it here know what it means.
.... excluding those that don't!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:23 am |
| >But since when did it become stylish to
>list "MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCSE+I, MCSE-Security"???
Stupid.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:23 am |
| >seems silly to list MCP when you have MCSE or MCSA... fact is, you need 7
>MCPs to get 1 MCSE...
.... yet we see this here every day.
Typically the sigs belong to someone asking 'how do I do subnetting?'
>but most HR people do not know this...
'cos they are stupid
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:23 am |
| >I believe that certifications, when properly evaluated
>against everything else that a candidate has to offer, are
>valuable.
evaluated against what?
> I also believe that a certain amount of
>marketing is needed to present yourself in a
>professionally acceptable manner.
Absolutely.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:23 am |
| >And the lapel pin.....
Clinches every deal for me!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:23 am |
| >mmmmm, the chick magnet!
the best
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| Paul Lynch 2004-03-30, 5:23 am |
| On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:27:37 -0500, "Colin Nash [MVP]"
<cnash-REMOVETHIS-@mvps.org> wrote:
>I'm going to start listing my CPR/First Aid certification after my name
That reminds me, I've still got my Cycling Proficiency Badge (anyone
old enough in the UK to remember those ?) somewhere and my 25 Yards
swimming certificate.
Regards,
Paul Lynch
MCSE
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| TechGeekPro 2004-03-30, 5:23 am |
| "The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
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>
> ... yet we see this here every day.
>
> Typically the sigs belong to someone asking 'how do I do subnetting?'
>
>
> 'cos they are stupid
HR people are stupid because they do not know subnetting or because they
don't know the difference between an MCSA and an MCSE? Either way, it
doesn't make them stupid, just ignorant. You really put the "mean" in MCNGP!
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| TechGeekPro 2004-03-30, 5:23 am |
| Maybe I'll add my sig to my resume. Surely that'll land me a job!
--
I may not be fully certified, but I am fully certifiable.
"Paul Lynch" <paul.lynch@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:27:37 -0500, "Colin Nash [MVP]"
> <cnash-REMOVETHIS-@mvps.org> wrote:
>
[color=blue]
>
> That reminds me, I've still got my Cycling Proficiency Badge (anyone
> old enough in the UK to remember those ?) somewhere and my 25 Yards
> swimming certificate.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Lynch
> MCSE
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 5:23 am |
| >HR people are stupid because they do not know subnetting or because they
>don't know the difference between an MCSA and an MCSE? Either way, it
>doesn't make them stupid, just ignorant.
Ignorance is no excuse for being stupid!
I've heard a lot of stories from people, and seen posts in this (and
other) ng, which have criticized HR departments for being incompetent.
I have no idea why this 'apparent' lack of competence should come
about. BTW, from what I've seen it's worse in the uk!
>You really put the "mean" in MCNGP!
We're here to help!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-30, 8:23 am |
| don't be too sure of that one. i have seen many a HR/recruiter posting on
ng's and closed forums. and they seem to know a hell of a lot more about
certification than you or me. ;-)
"DalePres" <nospam@nomail.com> wrote in
news:exUzYigFEHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
> But HR people don't read micrsoft certification newsgroups.... The
> only people who see it here know what it means.
>
> Dale
>
> "Sartan Dragonbane" <NOSPAMHERE@YOUMOMMA.NULL.COM> wrote in message
> news:wd2ac.24035$wg1.14597@edtnps84...
>
>
--
Rowdy Yates
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Death to the Gypsy Kings!
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I am Against-TCPA
http://www.againsttcpa.com
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| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-30, 8:23 am |
| you stalker! how did you know that about me!
"Brendon Rogers" <brendon@nospam-itology.net> wrote in
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> I have to agree with you. They probably have all their certs framed above
> their desks too. And the lapel pin.....
>
> "cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in message
> news:1556d01c415d7$2219bac0$a4
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>
--
Rowdy Yates
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Death to the Gypsy Kings!
-------------------------------
I am Against-TCPA
http://www.againsttcpa.com
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| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-30, 8:23 am |
| yeah right. don't lie mr. paul lynch, mcse. you can't swim.
Paul Lynch <paul.lynch@nospam.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:27:37 -0500, "Colin Nash [MVP]"
> <cnash-REMOVETHIS-@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>
> That reminds me, I've still got my Cycling Proficiency Badge (anyone
> old enough in the UK to remember those ?) somewhere and my 25 Yards
> swimming certificate.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Lynch
> MCSE
--
Rowdy Yates
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Death to the Gypsy Kings!
-------------------------------
I am Against-TCPA
http://www.againsttcpa.com
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
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>
> Which ones?
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
>
lessee, I got the one for swimming, first aid, the knot thing, canoeing...
--
Neil (MCSE, gold chain scout)
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| Paul Lynch <paul.lynch@nospam.com> wrote in
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> somewhere and my 25 Yards
> swimming certificate.
>
I had my bronze medalion and bronze cross swimming certification so I could
be a lifeguard when I was 16 (circa 1832)
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 8:23 am |
| >i have seen many a HR/recruiter posting on
>ng's and closed forums. and they seem to know a hell of a lot more about
>certification than you or me. ;-)
What, even as much as eddiepox?
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 8:23 am |
| Xref: number1.nntp.ash.giganews.com microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse:118138
>lessee, I got the one for swimming, first aid, the knot thing, canoeing...
cool!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
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> cool!
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
>
And I thought I was a geek. Scout badges are cool? LOL
Fess up. which ones do you have...
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| Darth 2000 2004-03-30, 8:23 am |
| I got a Certificate of Merit when I was 8 years old.... can I use that too?
--
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Darth 2000 - MCNGP # 28
Says:
"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
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>
> Which ones?
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 9:23 am |
| >And I thought I was a geek. Scout badges are cool? LOL
>
>Fess up. which ones do you have...
No. Do you wana to see my stamp collection?
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| Paul Lynch 2004-03-30, 9:23 am |
| On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:10:26 -0800, Rowdy Yates
<rowdy_yates2@remove.lycos.com> wrote:
>yeah right. don't lie mr. paul lynch, mcse. you can't swim.
You've got to admit that, even by Rowdy's admittedly poor posting
standards, this one is exceptionally lame.
Do you ever remember those Harlem Globetrotters matches where they
sent out some stooge team whose job it was to be made to look foolish
as they got completely outplayed and outsmarted by the Globetrotters ?
Well, I feel like a bit like one of those Globetrotters myself when
faced with the intellectual void that is Rowdy Yates.
In fact, its almost verging on cruelty because he clearly doesn't have
a clue. The poor boy's punchdrunk as he reels backwards from each
cleverly crafted uppercut from the unstoppable Lynch.....
Regards,
Paul Lynch
MCSE
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
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>
> No. Do you wana to see my stamp collection?
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
>
sssokay, If you need me I'll be resorting my baseball cards.
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 12:23 pm |
| >In fact, its almost verging on cruelty because he clearly doesn't have
>a clue. The poor boy's punchdrunk as he reels backwards from each
>cleverly crafted uppercut from the unstoppable Lynch.....
I believe you are referring to eddiepox
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| TechGeekPro opined, On 3/30/04 1:01 AM:
> HR people are stupid because they do not know subnetting or because they
> don't know the difference between an MCSA and an MCSE? Either way, it
> doesn't make them stupid, just ignorant.
No, HR people seem to be more concerned with having their ducks in a row
when an audit comes down, than actually taking an interest in the type
of individual they are hiring. They care less about the qualifications
of a person than whether the resume is formatted properly. Why the fsck
does one need to always Fill IN An ApplicationŠ when most if not all of
the information was on the resume? Because That's The Way It's DoneŠ!
Sorry, but in my experience, HR Droids are largely a waste of this
planet's resources, and should have their meaningless existance
terminated forthwith. Thus forcing Manglement to do it's job and recruit
it's own underlings.
You really put the "mean" in MCNGP!
>
The highest of compliments.
JaR
Anti-HR Thug
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| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-30, 2:23 pm |
| I ran into an HR/Recruiter guy who went through the SANS educational program
and took the GIAC Certification so he could guage how relevent SANS was for
the jobs he's recruiting for.
A little extreme, IMHO. But the moral of the story, be careful who you
bullshit. You could stick your own foot in your mouth, big time.
;-)
JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:uJ1TP6nFEHA.3032
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
> TechGeekPro opined, On 3/30/04 1:01 AM:
>
>
>
> No, HR people seem to be more concerned with having their ducks in a row
> when an audit comes down, than actually taking an interest in the type
> of individual they are hiring. They care less about the qualifications
> of a person than whether the resume is formatted properly. Why the fsck
> does one need to always Fill IN An ApplicationŠ when most if not all of
> the information was on the resume? Because That's The Way It's DoneŠ!
> Sorry, but in my experience, HR Droids are largely a waste of this
> planet's resources, and should have their meaningless existance
> terminated forthwith. Thus forcing Manglement to do it's job and recruit
> it's own underlings.
>
> You really put the "mean" in MCNGP!
>
> The highest of compliments.
>
> JaR
> Anti-HR Thug
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| Part of my bachelor degree pre-reqs require me to take some HR courses.
Out of twenty students, I am the only one in IT, and the rest are HR
(well, duh). I recieved the highest mark on the my final exam- without
cracking a book. Seriously. Compared to my IT classes, it's a joke.
I'm not saying they're stupid, cause they aren't. But the material they
need to know- come on.
TechGeekPro wrote:
> "The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
> news:heai601qv4d7841dlmh7rr50h
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>
>
>
> HR people are stupid because they do not know subnetting or because they
> don't know the difference between an MCSA and an MCSE? Either way, it
> doesn't make them stupid, just ignorant. You really put the "mean" in MCNGP!
>
>
>
>
>
--
Kat FORMER MCNGP #29
/* Get the facts first. You can distort them later. */
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| Rowdy Yates opined, On 3/30/04 9:55 AM:
> I ran into an HR/Recruiter guy who went through the SANS educational program
> and took the GIAC Certification so he could guage how relevent SANS was for
> the jobs he's recruiting for.
>
> A little extreme, IMHO. But the moral of the story, be careful who you
> bullshit. You could stick your own foot in your mouth, big time.
>
The exception proving the rule.
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| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 2:24 pm |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
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>
> ... yet we see this here every day.
>
> Typically the sigs belong to someone asking 'how do I do subnetting?'
Creepy. The first MCSE that the company that used to employ me hired used
to ask me, holder of no certifications, about subnetting all the time.
The only other MCSE on staff was a human-ferret hybrid, who spoke only
ferret. Not being hip to that lingo, I just amused myself by poking him
with a broom handle until he quit.
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| Vigo Breadcrumbs opined, On 3/30/04 10:17 AM:
> The only other MCSE on staff was a human-ferret hybrid, who spoke only
> ferret. Not being hip to that lingo, I just amused myself by poking him
> with a broom handle until he quit.
>
That is somehow so... profound. Snarfed.
JaR
Copy Thug
| |
| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-30, 2:25 pm |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in news:nRiac.353263
$B81.5232985@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
> Creepy. The first MCSE that the company that used to employ me hired used
> to ask me, holder of no certifications, about subnetting all the time.
What you witnessed was an exception to the rule. I have been on a ton of
Microsoft training classes. All the MCSE's start appearing at the higher
level courses. AD Design. ISA Server. Blah..blah.. These was not a single one
that did not "kick XXX" when it came to product knowledge and networking!
Don't believe the "hype", Vigo.
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--
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--
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--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp
| |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 2:26 pm |
| >Sorry, but in my experience, HR Droids are largely a waste of this
>planet's resources, and should have their meaningless existance
>terminated forthwith. Thus forcing Manglement to do it's job and recruit
>it's own underlings.
Excellent.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
| |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 2:26 pm |
| >i agree. still. the guy freaked me out!
Scary.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
| |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 2:26 pm |
| >The only other MCSE on staff was a human-ferret hybrid, who spoke only
>ferret. Not being hip to that lingo, I just amused myself by poking him
>with a broom handle until he quit.
did he like chasing rabbits?
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 3:26 pm |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
news tfj60hmj0bdp967lr3vu6ir3
6lb4k4oov@4ax.com:
>
> did he like chasing rabbits?
No, but he liked chasing projects to which he wasn't assigned. That
would've been fine if he accomplished what he was assigned, but, alas, he
didn't.
When he did quit, it was by poking his head through the front door,
throwing an envelope with his resignation letter and keys at the
receptionist, then running down the stairs and out of the building. I
suppose all my broom-handle-poking had something to do with it.
| |
| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-30, 3:26 pm |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in news:27kac.355154
$B81.5238226@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
> The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
> newstfj60hmj0bdp967lr3vu6ir3
6lb4k4oov@4ax.com:
>
>
> No, but he liked chasing projects to which he wasn't assigned. That
> would've been fine if he accomplished what he was assigned, but, alas, he
> didn't.
>
> When he did quit, it was by poking his head through the front door,
> throwing an envelope with his resignation letter and keys at the
> receptionist, then running down the stairs and out of the building. I
> suppose all my broom-handle-poking had something to do with it.
maybe you guys should seriously look at replacing the HR person responsible
for hiring these people.
when you have weeds, you need to kill the root so that the weeds don't
spread.
lol..
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--
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http://www.microsoft.com/learning/m...equirements.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 3:26 pm |
| Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
news:Xns94BC888FECF3Drowdyyate
s2123@207.46.248.16:
> Vigo Breadcrumbs <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in news:nRiac.353263
> $B81.5232985@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
>
>
> What you witnessed was an exception to the rule. I have been on a ton
> of Microsoft training classes. All the MCSE's start appearing at the
> higher level courses. AD Design. ISA Server. Blah..blah.. These was
> not a single one that did not "kick XXX" when it came to product
> knowledge and networking! Don't believe the "hype", Vigo.
I don't dispute that. This guy was a classic "paper" MCSE. The had only
about two years' experience when he was hired, but was quite supercilious
because, after all, he was an MCSE. He got his MCSE from some kind of boot
camp on his first employers' nickel, then promptly quit. By this time, the
company that employed me had gotten quite good at hiring people of low
quality. The only other MCSE I knew personally prior to that time was very
good at what he did and hardly ever mentioned his certification.
| |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| >No, but he liked chasing projects to which he wasn't assigned. That
>would've been fine if he accomplished what he was assigned, but, alas, he
>didn't.
>
>When he did quit, it was by poking his head through the front door,
>throwing an envelope with his resignation letter and keys at the
>receptionist, then running down the stairs and out of the building. I
>suppose all my broom-handle-poking had something to do with it.
Keep up the good work!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
news:Xns94BC972F9F2B4rowdyyate
s2123@207.46.248.16:
>
> maybe you guys should seriously look at replacing the HR person
> responsible for hiring these people.
>
> when you have weeds, you need to kill the root so that the weeds don't
> spread.
>
> lol..
There hasn't been a "we" in a year and a half, bub. This was a company
that was ahead of the game on outsourcing. They bypassed India and went
straight for Ukraine. Of course, the only reason the owner chose
Ukraine was because he got a mail order bride from Sebastopol. The
quality of the people hired in later years was emblematic of the cancer
at the heart of the company, i.e., the owner, who was a once-gutsy
entrepreneur turned sadistic megalomaniac. Then again, I drift off-
topic...
| |
| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in news:Igkac.355390
$B81.5240260@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94BC888FECF3Drowdyyate
s2123@207.46.248.16:
>
>
> I don't dispute that. This guy was a classic "paper" MCSE. The had only
> about two years' experience when he was hired, but was quite supercilious
> because, after all, he was an MCSE. He got his MCSE from some kind of boot
> camp on his first employers' nickel, then promptly quit. By this time, the
> company that employed me had gotten quite good at hiring people of low
> quality. The only other MCSE I knew personally prior to that time was very
> good at what he did and hardly ever mentioned his certification.
People tend to talk a lot when they are new (or if they are consultants!).
The more experienced guys tend to be quiter (unless they are consultants!)
and wierder!
lol....
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--
MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/m...equirements.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp
| |
| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in news:4pkac.355595
$B81.5240260@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
>
> There hasn't been a "we" in a year and a half, bub. This was a company
> that was ahead of the game on outsourcing. They bypassed India and went
> straight for Ukraine. Of course, the only reason the owner chose
> Ukraine was because he got a mail order bride from Sebastopol. The
> quality of the people hired in later years was emblematic of the cancer
> at the heart of the company, i.e., the owner, who was a once-gutsy
> entrepreneur turned sadistic megalomaniac. Then again, I drift off-
> topic...
Vigo, this one is for you...
http://tinyurl.com/2skvg
:-)
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---
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--
MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/m...equirements.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp
| |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| >maybe you guys should seriously look at replacing the HR person responsible
>for hiring these people.
Too right.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
news:Xns94BC9A127CD27rowdyyate
s2123@207.46.248.16:
> http://tinyurl.com/2skvg
Aw, it wasn't all years of despair. The turning point came when we moved
from a building that was a total dump, but next door to a bar, to a
respectable office building that had no bar within about a mile. The bar
had a great happy hour, and just loved the presence of about 150 (on
average) young and well-off folks not 10 feet from their back door. The
bartenders had their own grift going in that they knew that drinks not
reflected on the tab would indeed be reflected in their tip. Being able to
soak youself in bourbon every night for less than a twenty sure did a whole
lot to sand off the rough edges.
| |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| >Aw, it wasn't all years of despair. The turning point came when we moved
>from a building that was a total dump, but next door to a bar, to a
>respectable office building that had no bar within about a mile. The bar
>had a great happy hour, and just loved the presence of about 150 (on
>average) young and well-off folks not 10 feet from their back door. The
>bartenders had their own grift going in that they knew that drinks not
>reflected on the tab would indeed be reflected in their tip. Being able to
>soak youself in bourbon every night for less than a twenty sure did a whole
>lot to sand off the rough edges.
I bet you were gutted.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
| |
|
| Vigo Breadcrumbs opined, On 3/30/04 12:04 PM:
> There hasn't been a "we" in a year and a half, bub. This was a company
> that was ahead of the game on outsourcing. They bypassed India and went
> straight for Ukraine. Of course, the only reason the owner chose
> Ukraine was because he got a mail order bride from Sebastopol. The
> quality of the people hired in later years was emblematic of the cancer
> at the heart of the company, i.e., the owner, who was a once-gutsy
> entrepreneur turned sadistic megalomaniac. Then again, I drift off-
> topic...
Curiosity is killing me...
JaR
Curious Thug
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
news:m6mj601ifks58v57516pijt0q
7r0335oho@4ax.com:
> I bet you were gutted.
Ummm...what?
| |
| Ken Briscoe 2004-03-30, 4:24 pm |
| "JaR" <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:OSMHCbpFEHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Vigo Breadcrumbs opined, On 3/30/04 12:04 PM:
>
>
> Curiosity is killing me...
Yes, I was also hoping he'd elaborate on his mangler's patheticness. Vigo,
please spin a tale so unbelievably, pathetically sad that we'll not only
come to hate our mangler's, but outsourcing as well! Wait a minute.....
But tell us anyway.
--
KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
| |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-30, 5:23 pm |
| >> I bet you were gutted.
>
>Ummm...what?
Err, upset about the bar?????
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 5:23 pm |
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
news:rsnj609nq2gntj85cl31568od
eg0on9bun@4ax.com:
>
> Err, upset about the bar?????
To the point of weeping, though the extra cash-in-pocket wasn't bad.
| |
|
| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere <.> wrote in
news:rsnj609nq2gntj85cl31568od
eg0on9bun@4ax.com:
>
> Err, upset about the bar?????
we need that English to English dictionary around here
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 6:23 pm |
| "Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in
news:#HIn#epFEHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
> Yes, I was also hoping he'd elaborate on his mangler's patheticness.
> Vigo, please spin a tale so unbelievably, pathetically sad that we'll
> not only come to hate our mangler's, but outsourcing as well! Wait a
> minute.....
To do justice to the tale with all the pathos and bathos it deserves
would require a carefully written and edited text. I will provide some
highlights instead.
The owner, though it certainly wasn't apparent from casual observation,
had quite a head full of snakes. This stemmed from, as nearly as I
could piece together from five years' worth of company gossip, the fact
that his mother ran off when he was a wee lad, and the father was an
old-country Lithuanian who was quite a philandering kook. This
manifested as the seemingly contradictory characteristics of being
painfully awkward around employees (and others) he didn't know, and
searingly insulting and passively-aggressively-abusive to those he did
get to know.
His worst nightmare was not being the most knowledgeable person in a
given situation. When the company was mostly sales and marketing, this
was usually not the case, as he came up with good ideas and knew how to
market them. As the business became increasingly Internet-based, he had
to "fly blind" by relying on his IT staff, and he hated that to no end.
You could never disabuse him of the notion that the IT staff had some
personal agenda that involved showing him profound disrespect. Usually,
it was just one of us pointing out that the plans he had in mind would
take rather more money or time than that to which he was willing to
commit. To someone who habitually surrounded himself with yes-men (and
-women) who'd imbued entirely too much Tony Robbins, this was heresy.
If one was committed enough, regardless of the laws of physics or
thermodynamics, anything was possible. Or something.
When he went to Ukraine to fetch the mail order wife, he became quite
enamored of the dump. In the main, it was because they didn't get very
many Americans there, and he was treated as something of a celebrity,
and, being a kelptocracy, anyone with a little cash and a disdain for
rules (like our hero) could bribe his or her way into or out of any
situation he or she chose.
He agressively moved the software coding to Ukraine as early as 2000
because the Dot-Communists 1)worked as cheaply as $8 per billable hour,
which lead to the stunning observation that "it doesn't matter if most
of what they do is crap, it's still cheap," and 2)were willing to go off
on whatever hare-brained tangent he directed them. It didn't help that
the Dot-Communists were often able to produce a simacrulum of the
features that His Ownership wanted. He got all geeked up, crowing about
how his pet Russkies could do what his native staff couldn't.
They didn't actually produce what he really wanted, usually, and it
typically functioned in such a way that would cause meltdowns in the
production environment. Since they lacked adequate development and
testing skills, and had only wood-burning computers, the Dot-Communists
couldn't even do release testing on their own code. When we ran it
through testing back home in the U.S. of A., we'd get horrifying
results. His Ownership usually chalked this up to 1)us providing them
poor specifications, or 2)sour grapes on our part. Since the features
had already been promised to customers, and we were usually, by this
point, well past the deadline, we were directed to put the code into
production anyway. This usually resulted in thick black smoke and a
smell like scorched hair billowing from the server room.
One might think the post-meltdown analysis would include a discussion of
how, since the Dot-Communists lack the skills to take on major projects,
perhaps we should scale back the work we give them until they prove
themselves by deliviering something that works. Rather, we would have
meetings reminiscent of the Cultural Revolution, where His Ownership
would berate each of us in turn, saying how the failure was the result
of our being terrirorial in the vain attempt to protect our own jobs,
and that what we needed was to give the Dot Communists bigger, more
challenging projects, as they would never learn unless they had the
opportunity to do so. If the meltdown was bad enough, one of the U.S.
developers might get canned as an example.
Up is down, indeed.
I, as systems analyst (which meant I supported the hardware and platform
software, and thus caught all the crap from the meltdowns as it flowed
so freely into the earth's crust) managed to stave off the Red Menace
much longer than the database or software development groups, if only
through sheer force of will and the willingness to work obscene hours.
I knew my time was coming when I found out they were importing a
"network administrator" via H1-B, and I was expected to help this clown
get up to speed. By quitting before the axe fell, I managed to get out
with my somewhat staggering accrued vacation time bankroll intact.
Despite 18 months of unemployment and penury, I regret not my decision.
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 6:23 pm |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in news:24mac.357718
$B81.5249507@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
> and, being a kelptocracy
That's "kleptocracy." While there is ramapant corruption and cronyism in
the republics of Trashcanistan, there is little seaweed.
| |
| Ken Briscoe 2004-03-30, 6:23 pm |
| "Vigo Breadcrumbs" <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in message
news:24mac.357718
<snip>
That was the most entertaining post this side of eddiepox. PotD, AFAIC.
--
KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
| |
|
| Vigo Breadcrumbs opined, On 3/30/04 1:58 PM:
<Thing of beauty snipped, regretfully>
> with my somewhat staggering accrued vacation time bankroll intact.
>
> Despite 18 months of unemployment and penury, I regret not my decision.
*stands and applauds*
That was a rant worthy of archiving. Bravo!
JaR
Admiring Thug
| |
|
| JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#IAQZsrFEHA.3576
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
> Vigo Breadcrumbs opined, On 3/30/04 1:58 PM:
>
> <Thing of beauty snipped, regretfully>
>
decision.[color=blue]
>
> *stands and applauds*
>
> That was a rant worthy of archiving. Bravo!
>
> JaR
> Admiring Thug
>
the best
*nod,nod*
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
| |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 9:23 pm |
| JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#IAQZsrFEHA.3576
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
> *stands and applauds*
>
> That was a rant worthy of archiving. Bravo!
Awww, thanks. And to think, you just got the low-lights. The
"director's cut" is truly a thing of staggering scope and beauty. It
would make a hell of a movie.
I didn't even include some of the more bizarro parts, like:
- How, during a dinner wherein he was to sign the final papers to sell
one of his companies for $25 million, he queered the deal by launching
into an explicit yet jaunty retelling of his sexual exploits on a recent
trip to Thailand
- The time he directed me to download the flagship OLAP tool from a
particular vendor and make it available to the Dot-Communists via FTP,
so that they could...cough, snort, chortle..."reverse engineer" it.
- The time he went on a tirade because the Dot-Communists were
complaining about "slow" VPN access to our network, and I "refused" to
do anything about it (the path between the two networks had about 25
hops and a 1.1 _second_ latency)
| |
|
| GREAT bedtime story... hehehehehehe
--
Sue MCNGP #69
"Vigo Breadcrumbs" <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in message
news:24mac.357718$B81.5249507@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> "Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in
> news:#HIn#epFEHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
>
> To do justice to the tale with all the pathos and bathos it deserves
> would require a carefully written and edited text. I will provide some
> highlights instead.
>
> The owner, though it certainly wasn't apparent from casual observation,
> had quite a head full of snakes. This stemmed from, as nearly as I
> could piece together from five years' worth of company gossip, the fact
> that his mother ran off when he was a wee lad, and the father was an
> old-country Lithuanian who was quite a philandering kook. This
> manifested as the seemingly contradictory characteristics of being
> painfully awkward around employees (and others) he didn't know, and
> searingly insulting and passively-aggressively-abusive to those he did
> get to know.
>
> His worst nightmare was not being the most knowledgeable person in a
> given situation. When the company was mostly sales and marketing, this
> was usually not the case, as he came up with good ideas and knew how to
> market them. As the business became increasingly Internet-based, he had
> to "fly blind" by relying on his IT staff, and he hated that to no end.
> You could never disabuse him of the notion that the IT staff had some
> personal agenda that involved showing him profound disrespect. Usually,
> it was just one of us pointing out that the plans he had in mind would
> take rather more money or time than that to which he was willing to
> commit. To someone who habitually surrounded himself with yes-men (and
> -women) who'd imbued entirely too much Tony Robbins, this was heresy.
> If one was committed enough, regardless of the laws of physics or
> thermodynamics, anything was possible. Or something.
>
> When he went to Ukraine to fetch the mail order wife, he became quite
> enamored of the dump. In the main, it was because they didn't get very
> many Americans there, and he was treated as something of a celebrity,
> and, being a kelptocracy, anyone with a little cash and a disdain for
> rules (like our hero) could bribe his or her way into or out of any
> situation he or she chose.
>
> He agressively moved the software coding to Ukraine as early as 2000
> because the Dot-Communists 1)worked as cheaply as $8 per billable hour,
> which lead to the stunning observation that "it doesn't matter if most
> of what they do is crap, it's still cheap," and 2)were willing to go off
> on whatever hare-brained tangent he directed them. It didn't help that
> the Dot-Communists were often able to produce a simacrulum of the
> features that His Ownership wanted. He got all geeked up, crowing about
> how his pet Russkies could do what his native staff couldn't.
>
> They didn't actually produce what he really wanted, usually, and it
> typically functioned in such a way that would cause meltdowns in the
> production environment. Since they lacked adequate development and
> testing skills, and had only wood-burning computers, the Dot-Communists
> couldn't even do release testing on their own code. When we ran it
> through testing back home in the U.S. of A., we'd get horrifying
> results. His Ownership usually chalked this up to 1)us providing them
> poor specifications, or 2)sour grapes on our part. Since the features
> had already been promised to customers, and we were usually, by this
> point, well past the deadline, we were directed to put the code into
> production anyway. This usually resulted in thick black smoke and a
> smell like scorched hair billowing from the server room.
>
> One might think the post-meltdown analysis would include a discussion of
> how, since the Dot-Communists lack the skills to take on major projects,
> perhaps we should scale back the work we give them until they prove
> themselves by deliviering something that works. Rather, we would have
> meetings reminiscent of the Cultural Revolution, where His Ownership
> would berate each of us in turn, saying how the failure was the result
> of our being terrirorial in the vain attempt to protect our own jobs,
> and that what we needed was to give the Dot Communists bigger, more
> challenging projects, as they would never learn unless they had the
> opportunity to do so. If the meltdown was bad enough, one of the U.S.
> developers might get canned as an example.
>
> Up is down, indeed.
>
> I, as systems analyst (which meant I supported the hardware and platform
> software, and thus caught all the crap from the meltdowns as it flowed
> so freely into the earth's crust) managed to stave off the Red Menace
> much longer than the database or software development groups, if only
> through sheer force of will and the willingness to work obscene hours.
> I knew my time was coming when I found out they were importing a
> "network administrator" via H1-B, and I was expected to help this clown
> get up to speed. By quitting before the axe fell, I managed to get out
> with my somewhat staggering accrued vacation time bankroll intact.
>
> Despite 18 months of unemployment and penury, I regret not my decision.
| |
|
| Vigo Breadcrumbs opined, On 3/30/04 5:28 PM:
> JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#IAQZsrFEHA.3576
> @tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
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> Awww, thanks. And to think, you just got the low-lights. The
> "director's cut" is truly a thing of staggering scope and beauty. It
> would make a hell of a movie.
>
> I didn't even include some of the more bizarro parts, like:
>
> - How, during a dinner wherein he was to sign the final papers to sell
> one of his companies for $25 million, he queered the deal by launching
> into an explicit yet jaunty retelling of his sexual exploits on a recent
> trip to Thailand
>
> - The time he directed me to download the flagship OLAP tool from a
> particular vendor and make it available to the Dot-Communists via FTP,
> so that they could...cough, snort, chortle..."reverse engineer" it.
>
> - The time he went on a tirade because the Dot-Communists were
> complaining about "slow" VPN access to our network, and I "refused" to
> do anything about it (the path between the two networks had about 25
> hops and a 1.1 _second_ latency)
>
Put the whole thing up on a website. Sounds much better than 'Office Space'.
Please.
It's killing me trying to figure out who the miscreant is. Hints? Anyone
we should know? I know, I know, the moron no doubt has landsharks that
look for such things, but...
JaR
Anticipatory Thug
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| Enron Exec? lol
--
Sue MCNGP #69
"JaR" <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:%23qY$CKsFEHA.2980@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Vigo Breadcrumbs opined, On 3/30/04 5:28 PM:
>
>
> Put the whole thing up on a website. Sounds much better than 'Office
Space'.
>
> Please.
>
> It's killing me trying to figure out who the miscreant is. Hints? Anyone
> we should know? I know, I know, the moron no doubt has landsharks that
> look for such things, but...
>
> JaR
> Anticipatory Thug
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| "Brat" < likeIwouldtellyou@inyourdreams
.com> wrote in news:kTpac.6397
$Np3.191722@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
> Enron Exec? lol
>
> --
no,no,no...he's the MCI guy...
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| Neil <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in
news:Xns94BCDB71A12E4neilmcseh
otmailcom@207.46.248.16:
> "Brat" < likeIwouldtellyou@inyourdreams
.com> wrote in news:kTpac.6397
> $Np3.191722@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
>
>
> no,no,no...he's the MCI guy...
>
oops I mean Worldcom
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| Vigo Breadcrumbs 2004-03-30, 11:23 pm |
| JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in
news:#qY$CKsFEHA.2980@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
> Put the whole thing up on a website. Sounds much better than 'Office
> Space'.
>
> Please.
The town in which I live isn't big enough that I can babble with total
abandon. In all likelihood, I've said entirely too much already. Once
I have a full-time job, I will.
> It's killing me trying to figure out who the miscreant is. Hints?
> Anyone we should know? I know, I know, the moron no doubt has
> landsharks that look for such things, but...
Nobody you would know. It's a small company that caters to a niche
(though not in any way sexually related!) market. From my inside
sources, business has been flat for about a year, and the only English
speakers left are the executives and the two marketing people.
I doubt he cares very much about what ex-employees say. He has a
remarkable cool when it comes to that. One former employee spilled a
truly frightening number of secrets in the Yahoo forum for the company's
biggest customer (the customer was publically traded, and thus had a
Yahoo forum for its stock). A lengthy, sh!t-eating conference call and
a visit from their security auditors was the worst of the fallout. I
was hoping for worse.
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| Sparky 2004-03-31, 7:23 am |
| I only have two cert, CCIE and MCSE. Is that enough? 
"cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in message
news:1556d01c415d7$2219bac0$a4
01280a@phx.gbl...
> I believe that certifications, when properly evaluated
> against everything else that a candidate has to offer, are
> valuable. I also believe that a certain amount of
> marketing is needed to present yourself in a
> professionally acceptable manner.
>
> That said, I am somewhat amused to mildly annoyed by some
> people who attach a long string of initials after their
> names. It's fine to say, for example, "John Doe, MCSE,
> CCNP, CNE". But since when did it become stylish to
> list "MCP, MCP+I, MCP+SB, MCSE+I, MCSE-Security"???
>
> It's like listing the fact that you graduated from
> kindergarten in your curriculum vitae, alongside your post-
> doctoral research in physics.
>
> My two cents,
>
> cybersoldier01
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| Vigo Breadcrumbs <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in news:_Epac.371283
$jH.5313285@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
>
> The town in which I live isn't big enough that I can babble with total
> abandon. In all likelihood, I've said entirely too much already. Once
> I have a full-time job, I will.
For this I am truly sorry. There are certain gifts I possess and others I
must appreciate in others. The diatribe given here Vigo is a masterpiece of
eloquence. I personally think that it is beyond the digital press it can
receive here. This is a work worthy of parchment and quill, written in
broad strokes and encased in glass. Then it should be framed in wood and
hung in place of reverence where all can stand in awe and wonder and say
"there but for the grace of God go I". The reality is we have all had "the
bad boss" experience and will likely have it again, but to witness the car
wreck that was your experience can may a bad day better.
The most inspiring part of your story is the fact that you had the courage
and wisdom to abandon something that was already dead. Well done, go get
that job and get back here to finish the story. I wait with baited breath
(but that might have been the fish last night)
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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Oh, And I think that someone should do it so:
"I hereby nominate Vigo Breadcrumbs 'Ode to the Dot Communists' as PotW and
PotM."
I need a seconder....
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| FrisbeeŽ 2004-03-31, 10:23 am |
| Vigo Breadcrumbs wrote:
> "Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in
> news:#HIn#epFEHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
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> To do justice to the tale with all the pathos and bathos it deserves
> would require a carefully written and edited text. I will provide
> some highlights instead.
<Snip>
Dude...
Your writing skills are being wasted. You are obviously a writer first and
foremost, and an IT worker by coincidence. You need to seriously consider
selling your skills as a writer. Please, PLEASE stick around. I thoroughly
enjoy reading your posts.
--
Fris "and it's free!" beeŽ
Certaholics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
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| FrisbeeŽ 2004-03-31, 10:23 am |
| Ken Briscoe wrote:
> "Vigo Breadcrumbs" <vigo@breadcrumbbs.com> wrote in message
> news:24mac.357718
> <snip>
>
> That was the most entertaining post this side of eddiepox. PotD,
> AFAIC.
Hell, PotM or possibly PotY.
This guy rocks.
--
Fris "Pulp Non-fiction" beeŽ
Certaholics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
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| "Brat" < likeIwouldtellyou@inyourdreams
.com> wrote in news:ePAac.6676
$Np3.207234@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
> it is near impossible to get CCIE without experience
actually its just bloody near impossible to get your CCIE. they don't call
it the Ph.D. of Networking for nothin'
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| FrisbeeŽ <billLASTINIT@dasi-software.com> wrote in news:ObBjwnyFEHA.1368
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> Hell, PotM or possibly PotY.
>
> This guy rocks.
>
I have a nomination going for PotW and PotM, so then I second that
nomination
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| Sparky 2004-03-31, 11:23 am |
| Thats why everyone who has the alphabet soup after the names crack me up.
If someone has an MCSE, why list MCSA. If someone has a CCNP, why list CCNA
and CCNP. These are the resumes that I tend to pass over. Its too funny
after awhile.
Come on its ridiculous... MCP, MCSA, MCSE, MCSE security, MCSA security,
A+, Server+, ASE, list 25 different HP hardware models, CCNA, CCNP, CNA,
CNE, graduated 8th grade, graduated high, AA, BA,
If someone lists on their resume that they support the backbone for an ISP,
can move a com room and a office over a weekend or lead an install of 250
PCs is more important than all the alphabets. List CCNP, MCSE, A+, I know
how to write scripts. Every job has certain requirements. Show
accomplishment along with skills go a long way with employers.
Some need a lot a qualifications some need less. People and project
management skills are 50% of a lot of jobs. Who cares about this wonderful
tech who just pissed off the Controller who is to sign off on this years IT
budget. Give me the tech who knows that they are over their head and gets
someone to help out. Everyone needs to learn. Man...I cannot list the number
of contractors looking to maintain the gig or possibly get hired before
shooting of their mouths in elevators or speaking a wrong word to a
management person
"Sparky" <ItAintMe@4Sure.org> wrote in message
news:i8yac.147327$Cb.1525795@attbi_s51...
> I only have two cert, CCIE and MCSE. Is that enough?
> "cybersoldier01" <die.spammer.die@fry.spammer.fry> wrote in message
> news:1556d01c415d7$2219bac0$a4
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| "Sparky" <ItAintMe@4Sure.org> wrote in
newsHBac.147400$_w.1646108@attbi_s53:
> Thats why everyone who has the alphabet soup after the names crack me
> up. If someone has an MCSE, why list MCSA. If someone has a CCNP, why
> list CCNA and CCNP. These are the resumes that I tend to pass over.
> Its too funny after awhile.
> Come on its ridiculous... MCP, MCSA, MCSE, MCSE security, MCSA
> security, A+, Server+, ASE, list 25 different HP hardware models,
> CCNA, CCNP, CNA, CNE, graduated 8th grade, graduated high, AA, BA,
My business cards don't contain any title other than the one on my door. If
they want my list of titles I can list them off, or (and I think this is
easier) point them to the HR weasles...(there on file).
I agree, a couple is fine...but other than massaging your own ego, what's
the point of the list of titles at all.
My $0.02
--
Neil (look no titles)
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| I totally agree... well with one exception... if you are an MCSE, it does
not automatically mean you have your MCSA... could be a different set of
exams they took... it does mean they already have MCP... but MCSA is not a
forgone conclusion in this case. If I had taken 221 like I had planned, I
would not be an MCSA... but I took 218 instead and got both... it all
depends on the exams you took. I have MCSE, MCSA:M, CCNA, CNA, and A+. I
don't bother listing MCSA on its own - definite forgone conclusion... when I
get my CCNP, I will drop CCNA, etc
--
Sue MCNGP #69
"Sparky" <ItAintMe@4Sure.org> wrote in message
newsHBac.147400$_w.1646108@attbi_s53...
> Thats why everyone who has the alphabet soup after the names crack me up.
> If someone has an MCSE, why list MCSA. If someone has a CCNP, why list
CCNA
> and CCNP. These are the resumes that I tend to pass over. Its too funny
> after awhile.
> Come on its ridiculous... MCP, MCSA, MCSE, MCSE security, MCSA security,
> A+, Server+, ASE, list 25 different HP hardware models, CCNA, CCNP, CNA,
> CNE, graduated 8th grade, graduated high, AA, BA,
>
> If someone lists on their resume that they support the backbone for an
ISP,
> can move a com room and a office over a weekend or lead an install of 250
> PCs is more important than all the alphabets. List CCNP, MCSE, A+, I know
> how to write scripts. Every job has certain requirements. Show
> accomplishment along with skills go a long way with employers.
>
> Some need a lot a qualifications some need less. People and project
> management skills are 50% of a lot of jobs. Who cares about this wonderful
> tech who just pissed off the Controller who is to sign off on this years
IT
> budget. Give me the tech who knows that they are over their head and gets
> someone to help out. Everyone needs to learn. Man...I cannot list the
number
> of contractors looking to maintain the gig or possibly get hired before
> shooting of their mouths in elevators or speaking a wrong word to a
> management person
>
>
> "Sparky" <ItAintMe@4Sure.org> wrote in message
> news:i8yac.147327$Cb.1525795@attbi_s51...
>
>
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| Rowdy Yates 2004-03-31, 12:24 pm |
| same here.i did the 218 becuasei couldn't wait t get out of being a MCP. ;-)
f.y.i. - i do list MCSA and MCP just in case the resume bots are looking for
that buzzword.
"Brat" < likeIwouldtellyou@inyourdreams
.com> wrote in news:ZeCac.6795
$Np3.209686@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
> I totally agree... well with one exception... if you are an MCSE, it does
> not automatically mean you have your MCSA... could be a different set of
> exams they took... it does mean they already have MCP... but MCSA is not a
> forgone conclusion in this case. If I had taken 221 like I had planned, I
> would not be an MCSA... but I took 218 instead and got both... it all
> depends on the exams you took. I have MCSE, MCSA:M, CCNA, CNA, and A+. I
> don't bother listing MCSA on its own - definite forgone conclusion... when
I
> get my CCNP, I will drop CCNA, etc
>
Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
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MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
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MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/m...equirements.asp
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Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
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Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp
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| Neil opined, On 3/31/04 5:49 AM:
> Oh, And I think that someone should do it so:
>
> "I hereby nominate Vigo Breadcrumbs 'Ode to the Dot Communists' as PotW and
> PotM."
>
> I need a seconder....
>
Done!
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| JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in
news:uJDYYP0FEHA.3324@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
> Done!
>
All In favour say "Aye"
--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-03-31, 2:23 pm |
| >we need that English to English dictionary around here
Certainly when I'm around!
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| resounding AYE!!!
--
Sue MCNGP #69
"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94BD80B5A544neilmcseho
tmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in
> news:uJDYYP0FEHA.3324@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
>
> All In favour say "Aye"
>
> --
> Neil
> "you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"
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| well as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I do have all the exams I took
(for example: MCP - Managing a Windows 2000 Network Environment; Microsoft -
2003) on my resume... so I don't have to list it in my signature block... I
found it too long and annoying when trying to write a cover letter and the
damn thing kept making me go to another page... so I cut it out - sig block
almost filled the full line so would have had to take up a second line...
looked shitty lol. I found doing it this way, my resume would take the hits
from the database searches but does not look long winded or unprofessional.
but that's just my opinion
--
Sue MCNGP #69
"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94BD76AC3E807rowdyyate
s2123@207.46.248.16...
> same here.i did the 218 becuasei couldn't wait t get out of being a MCP.
;-)
>
> f.y.i. - i do list MCSA and MCP just in case the resume bots are looking
for
> that buzzword.
>
>
>
>
> "Brat" < likeIwouldtellyou@inyourdreams
.com> wrote in news:ZeCac.6795
> $Np3.209686@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
>
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> Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
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> MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
> --
> MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/m...equirements.asp
> --
> Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
> --
> Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp
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