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THE STATE OF THE UNION
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| Jenna Bush 2004-01-23, 2:23 am |
| THE STATE OF THE UNION
Forget the speech full of empty promises, forget the media
platitudes and ersatz adulations, forget wishful thinking.
If you want to know the real state of the union, take a
good look with your eyes.
See the millions of unemployed, many with advanced college
degrees? THAT is the state of the union.
See the high-paying jobs flowing to other countries? THAT
is the state of the union.
See the dollar in decline and nothing left to arrest the
fall? THAT is the state of the union.
See corporate executives looting their own companies and
then walking free? THAT is the state of the union.
See the schools that lack basic supplies? THAT is the
state of the union.
See the closed emergency rooms? THAT is the state of the
union.
See the holes in the roads? THAT is the state of the
union.
See the rolling blackouts? THAT is the state of the union.
See the defense budget bloat to half a trillion dollars?
THAT is the state of the union.
See the new nuclear weapons the US Government is building?
THAT is the state of the union.
See the billions in tax dollars pouring out to foreign
governments? THAT is the state of the union.
See the American women and children sleeping in alleys and
eating out of trash dumpsters? THAT is the state of the
union.
See the empty storefronts and commercial vacancies? THAT
is the state of the union.
See the closed factories, the rusted foundries, and the
abandoned mills? THAT is the state of the union.
See the soaring bankruptcies and foreclosures? THAT is the
state of the union.
See the poverty and starvation? THAT is the state of the
union.
And then there are the things you don't see.
You don't see those nuclear weapons Iraq was supposed to
be building. But we invaded Iraq anyway. THAT is the state
of the union.
You don't see chemical or biological weapons we were all
assured Saddam had. But we invaded Iraq anyway. THAT is
the state of the union.
And most of all you don't see the United States looked up
to as a bastion of freedom, law, and democracy anymore.
You don't see the United States looked upon as a moral
leader anymore. You don't see the United States looked on
as a leader in technology anymore.
And THAT, my fellow Americans, is the real state of the
union.
| |
| George W. Bush 2004-01-23, 2:23 am |
| Dear Jenna,
please stop making a fool of yourself and leave these nice folks alone so
they can tend to giving the newbies noogies.
George W. Bush
President of The Free World
"Now, where my Daddy!!"
"Jenna Bush" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:2af901c3e17b$cce98970$a00
1280a@phx.gbl:
> THE STATE OF THE UNION
>
> Forget the speech full of empty promises, forget the media
> platitudes and ersatz adulations, forget wishful thinking.
> If you want to know the real state of the union, take a
> good look with your eyes.
>
> See the millions of unemployed, many with advanced college
> degrees? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the high-paying jobs flowing to other countries? THAT
> is the state of the union.
>
> See the dollar in decline and nothing left to arrest the
> fall? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See corporate executives looting their own companies and
> then walking free? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the schools that lack basic supplies? THAT is the
> state of the union.
>
> See the closed emergency rooms? THAT is the state of the
> union.
>
> See the holes in the roads? THAT is the state of the
> union.
>
> See the rolling blackouts? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the defense budget bloat to half a trillion dollars?
> THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the new nuclear weapons the US Government is building?
> THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the billions in tax dollars pouring out to foreign
> governments? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the American women and children sleeping in alleys and
> eating out of trash dumpsters? THAT is the state of the
> union.
>
> See the empty storefronts and commercial vacancies? THAT
> is the state of the union.
>
> See the closed factories, the rusted foundries, and the
> abandoned mills? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the soaring bankruptcies and foreclosures? THAT is the
> state of the union.
>
> See the poverty and starvation? THAT is the state of the
> union.
>
> And then there are the things you don't see.
>
> You don't see those nuclear weapons Iraq was supposed to
> be building. But we invaded Iraq anyway. THAT is the state
> of the union.
>
> You don't see chemical or biological weapons we were all
> assured Saddam had. But we invaded Iraq anyway. THAT is
> the state of the union.
>
> And most of all you don't see the United States looked up
> to as a bastion of freedom, law, and democracy anymore.
> You don't see the United States looked upon as a moral
> leader anymore. You don't see the United States looked on
> as a leader in technology anymore.
>
> And THAT, my fellow Americans, is the real state of the
> union.
>
>
>
--
George W. Bush
President of The Free World
"Now, where my Daddy!!"
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-23, 9:24 am |
| "Jenna Bush" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2af901c3e17b$cce98970$a00
1280a@phx.gbl...
> THE STATE OF THE UNION
>
> Forget the speech full of empty promises, forget the media
> platitudes and ersatz adulations, forget wishful thinking.
> If you want to know the real state of the union, blah, blah, blah....
All talk and no solution. You must be a democrat.
--
Politician Spock
Thug #24601
| |
|
| > See the millions of unemployed, many with advanced college
> degrees? THAT is the state of the union.
How many times do I have to tell you people. Unemployment is at 5.7%.
That is not high.
| |
| Bliss 2004-01-23, 12:23 pm |
| 5% is not a high number, no, but when you consider the population...
Not that I care. I have a job :-)
Jtyc wrote:
>
>
> How many times do I have to tell you people. Unemployment is at 5.7%.
> That is not high.
>
>
>
| |
|
| > 5% is not a high number, no, but when you consider the population...
I'm basing it off of history. There is always unemployment. Always. And
historically, 5.7% is not a high rate.
| |
|
| >See the American women and children sleeping in alleys and
>eating out of trash dumpsters? THAT is the state of the
>union.
That's not the state of the union, that's just the IT department.
| |
| Rowdy Yates 2004-01-23, 2:23 pm |
| where & how did they come up with 5.7%? how accurate is that
figure?
that is the question.
"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in
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population...[color=blue]
>
> I'm basing it off of history. There is always unemployment.
Always. And
> historically, 5.7% is not a high rate.
>
>
--
The Champ comes out swinging every morning @ 9AM.
Remove the "removethis" from email address to email me.
==============
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|
| > where & how did they come up with 5.7%? how accurate is that
> figure?
>
> that is the question.
It's from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics. http://www.bls.gov.
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|
| "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
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s2123@207.46.248.16...
> where & how did they come up with 5.7%? how accurate is that
> figure?
>
> that is the question.
>
>
Well, another question is, how many have lost living wage jobs, and are now
'employed' in part-time McJobs? How many have had their UE benefits run out
and are no longer counted? What will happen to the job market when or if all
thase troops come back from Iraq? There's more, but bottom line is I
distrust that 5% figure from the get go.
JaR
Sceptical Thug
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|
| > Well, another question is, how many have lost living wage jobs, and are
now
> 'employed' in part-time McJobs? How many have had their UE benefits run
out
> and are no longer counted? What will happen to the job market when or if
all
> thase troops come back from Iraq? There's more, but bottom line is I
> distrust that 5% figure from the get go.
Do you really think the economy is that bad?
I think you might be confusing the slump in the IT business with a slump in
the workforce as a whole.
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|
| "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eDScDBe4DHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Do you really think the economy is that bad?
>
> I think you might be confusing the slump in the IT business with a slump
in
> the workforce as a whole.
>
Yeah, I do! I work for a large auto dealership. Arguably the largest in our
area. Our sales and service are at an all time low. In fact, if it wasn't
for the trick financing and low interest rates, I doubt we'd be selling much
at all. Even with the above, we are mostly selling high end stuff;
Excursions, Infinitis, and the like. The average and low end cars like
Tauruses, Ecorts, Sentras, etc just are not selling. What do I deduce from
this? Proffesional people are taking advantage of the no to low interest to
get new cars that they would buy anyway, but average people are simply not
able or willing to part with the money. In my area, we have seen most of the
manufacuring and hi-tech jobs go away. Wages are depressed because there are
dozens, sometimes hundreds of applicants for every job. Not just in IT,
either! A new Wal-mart just had a job fair and had over 2000 people show up!
I personally know people who had $15-$20 hr jobs a few years ago now
considering themselves lucky to have $7-$10 hr jobs now. No, they are not
unemployed, but have lost homes, cars, and futures. Yes, until I see living
wage jobs start coming back, I do consider the economy to be 'that bad'.
JaR
Ranting Thug
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| it is if you are unemployed
"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> How many times do I have to tell you people. Unemployment is at 5.7%.
> That is not high.
>
>
>
| |
| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| ah so you believe your gov. hahahahahahahahaha
"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> It's from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics. http://www.bls.gov.
>
>
>
>
| |
| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| a bit like you school thing.. all moan and no idea..
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jenna Bush" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2af901c3e17b$cce98970$a00
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>
> All talk and no solution. You must be a democrat.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| i would agree with this..
on reports i've seen the US rich have better tax breaks.. your average is
basically stuffed
"JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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> "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eDScDBe4DHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> in
> Yeah, I do! I work for a large auto dealership. Arguably the largest in
our
> area. Our sales and service are at an all time low. In fact, if it wasn't
> for the trick financing and low interest rates, I doubt we'd be selling
much
> at all. Even with the above, we are mostly selling high end stuff;
> Excursions, Infinitis, and the like. The average and low end cars like
> Tauruses, Ecorts, Sentras, etc just are not selling. What do I deduce from
> this? Proffesional people are taking advantage of the no to low interest
to
> get new cars that they would buy anyway, but average people are simply not
> able or willing to part with the money. In my area, we have seen most of
the
> manufacuring and hi-tech jobs go away. Wages are depressed because there
are
> dozens, sometimes hundreds of applicants for every job. Not just in IT,
> either! A new Wal-mart just had a job fair and had over 2000 people show
up!
> I personally know people who had $15-$20 hr jobs a few years ago now
> considering themselves lucky to have $7-$10 hr jobs now. No, they are not
> unemployed, but have lost homes, cars, and futures. Yes, until I see
living
> wage jobs start coming back, I do consider the economy to be 'that bad'.
>
> JaR
> Ranting Thug
>
>
| |
| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| it's not only IT it's manufacturing. or anything else that actually makes
things
real things
"kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> wrote in message
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>
> That's not the state of the union, that's just the IT department.
>
>
| |
| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| actually the low dollar may be a godsend...
cut imports and generate exports for the US..
what amazes me is that the US and EU are always arguing about trade... they
really need to wake up and look at the wider picture..
"Jenna Bush" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> THE STATE OF THE UNION
>
> Forget the speech full of empty promises, forget the media
> platitudes and ersatz adulations, forget wishful thinking.
> If you want to know the real state of the union, take a
> good look with your eyes.
>
> See the millions of unemployed, many with advanced college
> degrees? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the high-paying jobs flowing to other countries? THAT
> is the state of the union.
>
> See the dollar in decline and nothing left to arrest the
> fall? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See corporate executives looting their own companies and
> then walking free? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the schools that lack basic supplies? THAT is the
> state of the union.
>
> See the closed emergency rooms? THAT is the state of the
> union.
>
> See the holes in the roads? THAT is the state of the
> union.
>
> See the rolling blackouts? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the defense budget bloat to half a trillion dollars?
> THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the new nuclear weapons the US Government is building?
> THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the billions in tax dollars pouring out to foreign
> governments? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the American women and children sleeping in alleys and
> eating out of trash dumpsters? THAT is the state of the
> union.
>
> See the empty storefronts and commercial vacancies? THAT
> is the state of the union.
>
> See the closed factories, the rusted foundries, and the
> abandoned mills? THAT is the state of the union.
>
> See the soaring bankruptcies and foreclosures? THAT is the
> state of the union.
>
> See the poverty and starvation? THAT is the state of the
> union.
>
> And then there are the things you don't see.
>
> You don't see those nuclear weapons Iraq was supposed to
> be building. But we invaded Iraq anyway. THAT is the state
> of the union.
>
> You don't see chemical or biological weapons we were all
> assured Saddam had. But we invaded Iraq anyway. THAT is
> the state of the union.
>
> And most of all you don't see the United States looked up
> to as a bastion of freedom, law, and democracy anymore.
> You don't see the United States looked upon as a moral
> leader anymore. You don't see the United States looked on
> as a leader in technology anymore.
>
> And THAT, my fellow Americans, is the real state of the
> union.
>
>
>
| |
| Politician Spock 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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> "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eDScDBe4DHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> in
> Yeah, I do! I work for a large auto dealership. Arguably the largest in
our
> area. Our sales and service are at an all time low. In fact, if it wasn't
> for the trick financing and low interest rates, I doubt we'd be selling
much
> at all. Even with the above, we are mostly selling high end stuff;
> Excursions, Infinitis, and the like. The average and low end cars like
> Tauruses, Ecorts, Sentras, etc just are not selling. What do I deduce from
> this? Proffesional people are taking advantage of the no to low interest
to
> get new cars that they would buy anyway, but average people are simply not
> able or willing to part with the money. In my area, we have seen most of
the
> manufacuring and hi-tech jobs go away. Wages are depressed because there
are
> dozens, sometimes hundreds of applicants for every job. Not just in IT,
> either! A new Wal-mart just had a job fair and had over 2000 people show
up!
> I personally know people who had $15-$20 hr jobs a few years ago now
> considering themselves lucky to have $7-$10 hr jobs now. No, they are not
> unemployed, but have lost homes, cars, and futures. Yes, until I see
living
> wage jobs start coming back, I do consider the economy to be 'that bad'.
>
> JaR
> Ranting Thug
>
>
You have to keep in mind that a few years ago venture capitalists were
throwing money at any new business that had ".com" after their name. A lot
of people who would normally have $7-10 hr jobs were able to get $15-20 hr
jobs because the labor force was being spread so thin with all these new
companies being funded by investments (in lieu of actual revenue). Granted
some of the people you know today happy to just have a job making $7-10 hr
today should probably have $15-20 hr jobs, but there are still people making
$15-20 today that really shouldn't be because it costs to much to fire them
and bring someone better qualified in. I can pop my head above the cubicle
at work and count a dozen of those types just within shouting distance.
It'll be a few years before the majority of this society is back in a pay
rate they deserve. The "dot com" age was like a huge economic blender that
will be years before the cream rises back to the top where it belongs.
--
Politician Spock
Thug #24601
| |
|
| It's the damn global economy. Jobs are moving around, things are changing.
That's the way of the world. We must be agile enough and smart enough to
adjust. Ther're aren't any buggy whip makers anymore either. What do you
want me to do about it?
| |
| Politician Spock 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> a bit like you school thing.. all moan and no idea..
>
My school idea worked in the 18th and 19th centuries. The last 100+ years of
this public education/NEA experiment is a failure few want to admit to. God
forbid I suggest we take a step back to our roots that work.
Do you know that 90%+ of public school graduates are unable to read and
understand the Federalists Papers. That's pretty sad considering they were a
series of newspaper articles written in the late 18th century targeted to
the average newspaper reader.
--
Politician Spock
Thug #24601
| |
| Consultant 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| unless you are like me and your rate keeps going up and up
;-)
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:%23jWl9Oe4DHA.3436@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
slump[color=blue]
> our
wasn't[color=blue]
> much
from[color=blue]
> to
not[color=blue]
> the
> are
> up!
not[color=blue]
> living
>
> You have to keep in mind that a few years ago venture capitalists were
> throwing money at any new business that had ".com" after their name. A lot
> of people who would normally have $7-10 hr jobs were able to get $15-20 hr
> jobs because the labor force was being spread so thin with all these new
> companies being funded by investments (in lieu of actual revenue). Granted
> some of the people you know today happy to just have a job making $7-10 hr
> today should probably have $15-20 hr jobs, but there are still people
making
> $15-20 today that really shouldn't be because it costs to much to fire
them
> and bring someone better qualified in. I can pop my head above the cubicle
> at work and count a dozen of those types just within shouting distance.
> It'll be a few years before the majority of this society is back in a pay
> rate they deserve. The "dot com" age was like a huge economic blender that
> will be years before the cream rises back to the top where it belongs.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
>
>
| |
| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| so you want only the elite to be able to afford education
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:%235m%234ce4DHA.1816@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
>
> My school idea worked in the 18th and 19th centuries. The last 100+ years
of
> this public education/NEA experiment is a failure few want to admit to.
God
> forbid I suggest we take a step back to our roots that work.
>
> Do you know that 90%+ of public school graduates are unable to read and
> understand the Federalists Papers. That's pretty sad considering they were
a
> series of newspaper articles written in the late 18th century targeted to
> the average newspaper reader.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
>
>
| |
| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| there's a guy called ghandi waiting for you
"Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
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> unless you are like me and your rate keeps going up and up
> ;-)
>
>
> "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> slump
in[color=blue]
> wasn't
selling[color=blue]
> from
interest[color=blue]
> not
of[color=blue]
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> not
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> making
> them
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pay[color=blue]
that[color=blue]
>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| for you..
i couldn't care less
"kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> wrote in message
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> It's the damn global economy. Jobs are moving around, things are
changing.
> That's the way of the world. We must be agile enough and smart enough to
> adjust. Ther're aren't any buggy whip makers anymore either. What do you
> want me to do about it?
>
>
| |
| Consultant 2004-01-23, 3:23 pm |
| you know damn right
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> there's a guy called ghandi waiting for you
>
>
> "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23zByile4DHA.2136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> in
> selling
like[color=blue]
deduce[color=blue]
> interest
simply[color=blue]
most[color=blue]
> of
> there
> IT,
> show
are[color=blue]
> bad'.
> lot
$15-20[color=blue]
> hr
new[color=blue]
> Granted
$7-10[color=blue]
> hr
> cubicle
distance.[color=blue]
> pay
> that
>
>
| |
|
| A free 'public' education is a good idea, how could it not be. The problem
is that in a public (i.e. state run) school everything must be politically
correct so we end
up all touchy-felly and start teaching why its OK for Tom to have two dads
(not that there
is anything wrong with that). The asnwser IMHO is to privatize the system
and give out
vouchers. Let parents decide if they want theie kids to have a liberal
education or a
conservative education via their choice of schools. Schools will have to
compete for students
and those that are inadequate will die on the vine. As it is I pay for
public school with my taxes
and I pay for private school becuase I won't put my kids in a school that
teacher everything
except the three R's.
just my unsolicited 2 cents worth
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-23, 4:23 pm |
| "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> so you want only the elite to be able to afford education
>
No, the money no longer used to fund the public schools is distributed to
those who need it as vouchers.
--
Politician Spock
Thug #24601
| |
|
| "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You have to keep in mind that a few years ago venture capitalists were
> throwing money at any new business that had ".com" after their name.
I know that, but I'm not talking about dot bombers. I'm talking about people
who were working for companies in this area that are either gone, or have
laid off substantial numbers of their workforce. I used to work for a
national department store. I saw them reduce wages, benefits, and staff to
the point where any further reductions would have meant closing doors. The
guys that stayed on did so because thee was nowhere else to go. The ones
that left were replaced by people willing to work for 3/4 the wage,
part-time with no benefits.
I have been around long enough to remember when an average guy could support
a family and put kids through college on his wages alone! Now, a single guy
would have a tough time supporting himself, let alone a family. Assuming a
person works full-time (a lot don't) $7 per hour = $1120.00 per month before
taxes, etc. That's roughly $950.00 clear. How much is a cheapo apartment
where you live? Here it's about $450.00 per month. Utilities? Lets say
average $100.00 Medical Insurance? Jeez, another $250.00 What's left?
Gas/transportation? Insurance? How about groceries? Now, about the kids...
All of this has not a single thing to do with the dot com bust, it has to do
with the state of the economy. What makes it all the worse is that all the
tech jobs are following the manufacturing jobs offshore, and tose that
remain are seeing downward pressure on wages as a result. Does any of this
lower the price we pay? Or our taxes? Or the price we pay for energy? Shiese
no! But it does serve to make the top 5% of our country richer. It allows
dudya* to annouce that the economy is on an upturn.
Furrfu, you shouldna got me going this morning. Probably go home and take it
out on the cat.
JaR
Vote For Thug in '04
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-23, 4:23 pm |
| >A lot
>of people who would normally have $7-10 hr jobs were able to get $15-20 hr
>jobs because the labor force was being spread so thin with all these new
>companies being funded by investments (in lieu of actual revenue).
True, and it really makes you laugh (or cry) that could happen. Seeing
the stock rise for so many companies who had no chance of making a
profit still can't see how that could happen.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere 2004-01-23, 4:23 pm |
| >We must be agile enough and smart enough to
>adjust.
As does the government; who need to address the reasons why companies
are packing up and going elsewhere.
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
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| Rowdy Yates 2004-01-23, 4:24 pm |
| Question? Who qualifites to be in the 5.7% and who does not?
The MCSE who can't get a job in IT and is currently working at
McDonalds for minimum wage hoping he gets a job at the next
interview --> is he considered employed or unemployed?
Hmmm....the stuff stats are make of....eh?
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in news:#f$kQee4DHA.2612
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
> i would agree with this..
> on reports i've seen the US rich have better tax breaks..
your average is
> basically stuffed
>
> "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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|
| > ah so you believe your gov. hahahahahahahahaha
Perhaps I should take your route and believe absolutely nothing. Or more
specific, trust no one and believe everyone is out to get me.
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-23, 4:24 pm |
| "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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>
> All of this has not a single thing to do with the dot com bust, it has to
do
> with the state of the economy.
We can debate the level of impact the dot com bust is still having, but to
say the current state of the economy has not a single thing to do with the
dot com bust is ludicrous.
I know numerous people who got into a position that they were not qualified
for (and still aren't) during the dot com boom because the labor force was
spread so thin. They aren't ever going to leave that position (they'll never
find something as good as what they currently have) and it costs too much to
fire them. Those people you speak of who were at companies that have since
folded would normally move into a lateral position elsewhere eventually, but
all these unqualified people currently holding the positions are creating a
log jam. Eventually companies will see the financial benefits of letting the
dead weight go so the qualified and looking for work can take their place.
But it doesn't happen on a dime. It will take at the very least a few more
years.
--
Politician Spock
Thug #24601
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|
| Whether you like it or not, economic indicators show that the economy is
growing. It just so happens that jobs are the last thing to come about in a
recovery. Orders go up, companies stretch their resources, when demand gets
to great, they hire.
| |
|
| > on reports i've seen the US rich have better tax breaks..
That's why I believe in a flat tax with no breaks.
| |
|
| > it is if you are unemployed
That's a brilliant assessment.
Congrats.
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-23, 4:24 pm |
| "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> i would agree with this..
> on reports i've seen the US rich have better tax breaks.. your average is
> basically stuffed
>
If I were president, I would give the those who pay $0 in taxes a 90% tax
break.
--
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Thug #24601
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|
| > If I were president, I would give the those who pay $0 in taxes a 90% tax
> break.
I think that get at least that already. In fact, they get a "I'm really
poor so pay me" tax break.
I know because I've gotten it. :-)
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|
| "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:%23Vd9E7e4DHA.2700@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
to[color=blue]
> do
>
> We can debate the level of impact the dot com bust is still having, but to
> say the current state of the economy has not a single thing to do with the
> dot com bust is ludicrous.
>
>
Nice! When did you go to work for Fox news? That quote is totally out of
context! Where did I say the current state of the economy has nothing to do
with the dot com bust? The quote has to do with examples I cited relating to
the economy that had nothing to do with the etc.
> know numerous people who got into a position that they were not qualified
>for (and still aren't) during the dot com boom because the labor force was
>spread so thin. They aren't ever going to leave that position (they'll
never
>find something as good as what they currently have) and it costs too much
to
>fire them
What this has to do with the price of tea in China eludes me.
>Those people you speak of who were at companies that have since
>folded would normally move into a lateral position elsewhere eventually
No, as I said, the jobs don't exist anymore. Move laterally into what? I
said they weren't all IT jobs, remember? I don't work in IT. As far as I'm
concerned, the money and time I spent getting certified might better have
been spent on astronaut lessons.
>but
>all these unqualified people currently holding the positions are creating a
>log jam. Eventually companies will see the financial benefits of letting
the
>dead weight go so the qualified and looking for work can take their place.
OK, lets just talk about IT for a sec. What healthy company is going to keep
unqualified people around if it can avoid it? Why? There is only one reason,
money. If the return does not justify the expense, no company can stay in
business for long. If I hired (at $job-1) a fella who claimed to be an ASE
certified mechanic, and found out that he had forged the credentials (ASE is
a lot stricter about who can test than MS is) he would be canned instanter.
On the other hand, if I have a glut of unemployed mechanics, then I am going
to hire the best I can, for as cheap as I can. That's just good business.
Where the economy comes into play, is that nationwide we have entire
classifications of the workforce that are finding themselves supernumerous.
Jobs are not being created for these people. Wages are being driven downward
for those that are employed. We are well on our way to becoming a third
world nation of super-rich and super-poor with nothing in the middle. A kid
entering college has to know that he will graduate 4-6 years later with a
monstrous debt, and no chance of a job that will ever let him pay it back!
JaR
Pessimistic Thug
| |
|
| > Where the economy comes into play, is that nationwide we have entire
> classifications of the workforce that are finding themselves
supernumerous.
> Jobs are not being created for these people. Wages are being driven
downward
> for those that are employed. We are well on our way to becoming a third
> world nation of super-rich and super-poor with nothing in the middle. A
kid
> entering college has to know that he will graduate 4-6 years later with a
> monstrous debt, and no chance of a job that will ever let him pay it back!
You make it sound as if it's the worse time ever in this country. People
who lived through the great depression may disagree with you.
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|
| "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Whether you like it or not, economic indicators show that the economy is
> growing. It just so happens that jobs are the last thing to come about in
a
> recovery. Orders go up, companies stretch their resources, when demand
gets
> to great, they hire.
>
I just did a quick google. I know there are many more articles out there as
I have read them.
" Employment growth at the moment is the lowest for any recovery since the
government started keeping such statistics in 1939. "
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0829/p01s02-usec.html
However, that is not my point. As i stated earlier, where are the living
wage jobs? You know, I hope you are right about the economy improving, even
thoug I dispute the figures. But I don't see how we can call anything a
'recovery' when there is limited hiring, and that at poverty wages.
JaR
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-23, 5:23 pm |
| Remind me to reply to this monday.
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"JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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> "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23uWjUKf4DHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> to
to[color=blue]
the[color=blue]
> Nice! When did you go to work for Fox news? That quote is totally out of
> context! Where did I say the current state of the economy has nothing to
do
> with the dot com bust? The quote has to do with examples I cited relating
to
> the economy that had nothing to do with the etc.
>
qualified[color=blue]
was[color=blue]
> never
> to
>
> What this has to do with the price of tea in China eludes me.
>
>
> No, as I said, the jobs don't exist anymore. Move laterally into what? I
> said they weren't all IT jobs, remember? I don't work in IT. As far as I'm
> concerned, the money and time I spent getting certified might better have
> been spent on astronaut lessons.
>
a[color=blue]
> the
place.[color=blue]
>
> OK, lets just talk about IT for a sec. What healthy company is going to
keep
> unqualified people around if it can avoid it? Why? There is only one
reason,
> money. If the return does not justify the expense, no company can stay in
> business for long. If I hired (at $job-1) a fella who claimed to be an ASE
> certified mechanic, and found out that he had forged the credentials (ASE
is
> a lot stricter about who can test than MS is) he would be canned
instanter.
> On the other hand, if I have a glut of unemployed mechanics, then I am
going
> to hire the best I can, for as cheap as I can. That's just good business.
>
> Where the economy comes into play, is that nationwide we have entire
> classifications of the workforce that are finding themselves
supernumerous.
> Jobs are not being created for these people. Wages are being driven
downward
> for those that are employed. We are well on our way to becoming a third
> world nation of super-rich and super-poor with nothing in the middle. A
kid
> entering college has to know that he will graduate 4-6 years later with a
> monstrous debt, and no chance of a job that will ever let him pay it back!
>
> JaR
> Pessimistic Thug
>
>
>
>
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|
| "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You make it sound as if it's the worse time ever in this country. People
> who lived through the great depression may disagree with you.
>
>
Not at all. But if the tide is not turned, and turned soon, I think the
depression will be nothing compared to what is coming.
By the way, turning to misstatement and exaggeration does little for your
argument.
JaR
Logical Thug
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
| hey thanks.. thats what i'm here for..
btw have you ever been unemployed with seemingly no prospect of a job?
i have.. and it isn't nice.. and that is with a social safety net
"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> That's a brilliant assessment.
>
>
> Congrats.
>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
| who do you think need "it"
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> No, the money no longer used to fund the public schools is distributed to
> those who need it as vouchers.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
| the problem is the unwillingness of western economies to deal with issues
head on and call a spade a spade as it were
"kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> wrote in message
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> A free 'public' education is a good idea, how could it not be. The
problem
> is that in a public (i.e. state run) school everything must be politically
> correct so we end
> up all touchy-felly and start teaching why its OK for Tom to have two dads
> (not that there
> is anything wrong with that). The asnwser IMHO is to privatize the system
> and give out
> vouchers. Let parents decide if they want theie kids to have a liberal
> education or a
> conservative education via their choice of schools. Schools will have to
> compete for students
> and those that are inadequate will die on the vine. As it is I pay for
> public school with my taxes
> and I pay for private school becuase I won't put my kids in a school that
> teacher everything
> except the three R's.
>
> just my unsolicited 2 cents worth
>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
| no i just believe that govs are run by politicians.
who are opportunistic at the best of times.. another word is liar..
poloticians are the lowest for of life on this planet..
"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Perhaps I should take your route and believe absolutely nothing. Or more
> specific, trust no one and believe everyone is out to get me.
>
>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
|
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:%23Vd9E7e4DHA.2700@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
to[color=blue]
> do
>
> We can debate the level of impact the dot com bust is still having, but to
> say the current state of the economy has not a single thing to do with the
> dot com bust is ludicrous.
>
so you dont believe in cause and effect
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
| please reply to this monday ghengis
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Remind me to reply to this monday.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
>
>
> "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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> to
> the
> do
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> was
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> keep
> reason,
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(ASE[color=blue]
> is
> instanter.
> going
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> supernumerous.
> downward
> kid
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>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
| the greatest depression is coming.. it may be 30 years away but it's
waiting..
when the west ceases to be a producing base and becomes a consuming base
then what...
what do you barter for the goods you buy,
nothing..
wake up
"JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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> "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uZ3e%23tf4DHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
People[color=blue]
> Not at all. But if the tide is not turned, and turned soon, I think the
> depression will be nothing compared to what is coming.
>
> By the way, turning to misstatement and exaggeration does little for your
> argument.
>
> JaR
> Logical Thug
>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
| click your heels 3 times and you'll be home dorothy
"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Whether you like it or not, economic indicators show that the economy is
> growing. It just so happens that jobs are the last thing to come about in
a
> recovery. Orders go up, companies stretch their resources, when demand
gets
> to great, they hire.
>
>
>
| |
|
|
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> the problem is the unwillingness of western economies to deal with issues
> head on and call a spade a spade as it were
woosh... that went right over my head. I did go to public school though.
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| Ken Briscoe 2004-01-23, 6:23 pm |
| > poloticians are the lowest for of life on this planet..
You have just had your right to vote revoked for eternity.
I don't think *all* politicians are scum. Surely many are, but your
local-level politicians (Mayors, councilmen, etc), are, for the most part,
legitimate, caring, politicians. I think the higher up you get
(Presidential candidates, Tony Blair...), the more the scumminess is
exposed for the world to see, but you're surely not suggesting that every
politician is a Tricky Dick (or a Dubya), are you?
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|
| > head on and call a spade a spade as it were
Spade.
| |
|
| > no i just believe that govs are run by politicians.
> who are opportunistic at the best of times.. another word is liar..
>
> poloticians are the lowest for of life on this planet..
Lawyers are but I'll give them a close second. The people who compile data
and work in the government are not always politicians.
| |
|
| > Not at all. But if the tide is not turned, and turned soon, I think the
> depression will be nothing compared to what is coming.
I have pointed out to you and yet you people still don't acknowledge the
fact that the economy has turned and is moving quite nicely in an upwards
direction. But you don't seem to want to agree with that even though that
is the way it is.
Like it or not, the economy is improving.
| |
|
| > btw have you ever been unemployed with seemingly no prospect of a job?
Yes sir. Twice.
> i have.. and it isn't nice.. and that is with a social safety net
I didn't have any safety net except the one I made for myself. If it wasn't
for those down times, I'd be quite a bit closer to retirement.
| |
|
| > As does the government; who need to address the reasons why companies
> are packing up and going elsewhere.
I thought the reason was obvious...cheap and competent (enough) labor. What
could the government do? I know my thinking is probably to simplistic
(economies confuse me) by I've always been an advocate of free trade, let
the market sort it out. Of course there are exceptions, but I thing they
should be used sparingly.
I thing the economy is a natural system that occurs when humans interact and
people (especially governments) have a poor track record when they try to
control natural systems.
nevermind... I'm out of my element here.
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| Zenner 2004-01-23, 7:23 pm |
| Do you know that 90%+ of public school graduates are unable to read and
> understand the Federalists Papers. That's pretty sad considering they were
a
> series of newspaper articles written in the late 18th century targeted to
> the average newspaper reader.
The "average" reader in 1700 -1800 was normally far from average. Universal
education was not fully established. Usually only males were educated beyond
primary school and even then only those that showed some promise of
attending college were taught anything more that simple arithmetic and how
to write their names. Education, reading were almost exclusively for the
rich. Unless you attended religious schools...of course, then as now, that
type of education was a pain in the XXX.
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:%235m%234ce4DHA.1816@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
>
> My school idea worked in the 18th and 19th centuries. The last 100+ years
of
> this public education/NEA experiment is a failure few want to admit to.
God
> forbid I suggest we take a step back to our roots that work.
>
> Do you know that 90%+ of public school graduates are unable to read and
> understand the Federalists Papers. That's pretty sad considering they were
a
> series of newspaper articles written in the late 18th century targeted to
> the average newspaper reader.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
>
>
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|
| > However, that is not my point. As i stated earlier, where are the living
> wage jobs? You know, I hope you are right about the economy improving,
even
> thoug I dispute the figures. But I don't see how we can call anything a
> 'recovery' when there is limited hiring, and that at poverty wages.
http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.us.htm
Notice unemployment trend and earnings trend.
Oh wait... government information... must be bad.
Arguing with you people is like arguing with a religious person who says "I
believe it because God made it so". I just can't rebut that. If you
believe it, I can't dissuade you.
| |
| Zenner 2004-01-23, 7:23 pm |
| ....of those that are still actively reporting to the EDD (employment
development dept.) for their weekly stipend. What about those that have
exhausted their benefits and no longer make the weekly trek to the center
.... just to be disappointed again or be offered a job that can support their
family, mortgage or the fine education that is promised by vouchers? Which
incidentally will bankrupt the Public school system, the only school
available for the majority of children.
Public schooling is financed not only by the privileged, the ones mostly
whining for vouchers...it is financed through the taxes on people with no
children, property taxes on businesses...etc. If a few wish to opt out of
public education, no problem...just don't take money from those who only
have one choice. No one has ever been forced to attend public school, they
must attend "some" school, but "home schooling, religious schooling or
private school are available, if you are dissatisfied with participating in
normal society..
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>
> I'm basing it off of history. There is always unemployment. Always.
And
> historically, 5.7% is not a high rate.
>
>
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| "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Oh wait... government information... must be bad.
>
>
>
> Arguing with you people is like arguing with a religious person who says
"I
> believe it because God made it so". I just can't rebut that. If you
> believe it, I can't dissuade you.
>
>
Arguing with you people is like arguing with a political person who says; "I
beleive it because the government says it's so."
I have read the govt reports. The thing is, there is more data out there if
you care to look for it. Some wildly contradictory to the govt's glowing
figures. I don't believe that "government information... must be bad."
However, I don't blindly believe everything they say, either. I find it hard
to reconcile the evidence of my own experience with a lot of the data, as
well. Look at reports from the World Bank. Check out news reports freely
available online from conflicting viewpoints. Then if you still believe the
way you do, fine. I used to be a staunch Republican. Clinton pissed me off
with his BS and outright lies more than any pol I can think of. Until Bush!
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| "kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> wrote in message
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> the market sort it out. Of course there are exceptions, but I thing they
> should be used sparingly.
>
You are right, as long as the trade is fair. How can we compete with
salaries in 3rd world countries? I would have no problem working for the
same wage as an Indian in Mumbai, if my expenses were the same. If the
regulations covering my workplace were the same. If my education cost the
same. If my employer and I paid the same amount in taxes as in Mumbai.
Without that level playing field, we need to take steps to safeguard our
industries and citizens.
It's not a radical concept. Try to get a working visa to India. Or
Netherlands. Or a dozen other countries I can think of. Short answer; you
can't except in wildly rare circumstances.
JaR
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| billyw 2004-01-24, 10:23 pm |
| yes i am.. the currency in politics is power and that corrupts..
how much does it cost to run an election campaign nowadays...
a lot
where does that money come from and what "promises" have to be made..
scum pure and simple
"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
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> You have just had your right to vote revoked for eternity.
>
> I don't think *all* politicians are scum. Surely many are, but your
> local-level politicians (Mayors, councilmen, etc), are, for the most part,
> legitimate, caring, politicians. I think the higher up you get
> (Presidential candidates, Tony Blair...), the more the scumminess is
> exposed for the world to see, but you're surely not suggesting that every
> politician is a Tricky Dick (or a Dubya), are you?
>
> --
>
> KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
>
> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
>
>
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| billyw 2004-01-24, 10:23 pm |
| but their jobs are controlled by blood sucking scum
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> Lawyers are but I'll give them a close second. The people who compile
data
> and work in the government are not always politicians.
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| billyw 2004-01-24, 10:23 pm |
| in the short term..
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> I have pointed out to you and yet you people still don't acknowledge the
> fact that the economy has turned and is moving quite nicely in an upwards
> direction. But you don't seem to want to agree with that even though that
> is the way it is.
>
> Like it or not, the economy is improving.
>
>
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| > but their jobs are controlled by blood sucking scum
So therefore and data presented by any government is a lie?
egads
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| > in the short term..
Well everything cycles doesn't it?
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| billyw 2004-01-26, 1:23 pm |
| maybe not an outright lie... but certainly spun to th enth degree.
so no i dont trust it...
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> So therefore and data presented by any government is a lie?
>
>
> egads
>
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| billyw 2004-01-26, 1:23 pm |
| tell that to the roman empire
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> Well everything cycles doesn't it?
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| > maybe not an outright lie... but certainly spun to th enth degree.
> so no i dont trust it..
What if the government produced a report saying that politicians lie?
gotcha sucka
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| > tell that to the roman empire
Surely the world economy has bounced back once or twice since the Roman
Empire?
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| =?Windows-1252?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= 2004-01-26, 1:23 pm |
| Jtyc wrote:
>
> Surely the world economy has bounced back once or twice since the
> Roman Empire?
What have the Romans ever done for us?
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| > What have the Romans ever done for us?
Roman numerals.
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| "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Neva happen!
>
>
> gotcha sucka
>
Back atcha!
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| Consultant 2004-01-26, 3:23 pm |
| the roman calendar
olympics
orgies
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> Roman numerals.
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| "FrisbeeŽ MCNGP" <oncebitten@twiceshy.com> wrote in message
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> What have the Romans ever done for us?
>
The mile
Christmas
A couple of months
Lasagne
Okay, I made the last one up.
JaR
Thug #XXII
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| =?Windows-1252?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?= 2004-01-26, 3:23 pm |
| Consultant wrote:
> the roman calendar
> olympics
I'm pretty sure the Olympics originated in Greece.
Okay, except for the Olympics... what have the Greeks ever done for us?
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| Ken Briscoe 2004-01-26, 3:23 pm |
| > the roman calendar
> olympics
> orgies
gladiator movies
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first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
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| > Okay, except for the Olympics... what have the Greeks ever done for us?
The aqueduct?
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| e^-i*pi 2004-01-26, 3:23 pm |
| the alphabet
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> gladiator movies
>
> --
>
> KB - MCNGP "airplane! thug" #26
>
> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
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| billyw 2004-01-26, 4:23 pm |
| exactly.. that would defeat the purpose of being a sleeze bag.. sorry
politico
"JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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> "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Neva happen!
>
> Back atcha!
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| billyw 2004-01-26, 4:23 pm |
| army units full of poofs...
see spartans
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>
> The aqueduct?
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| billyw 2004-01-26, 4:23 pm |
| beer is a spirit..
olympics are roman..
you need to get out more
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> the roman calendar
> olympics
> orgies
>
> "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| > exactly.. that would defeat the purpose of being a sleeze bag.. sorry
> politico
I'm sorry but... What?
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| Consultant 2004-01-26, 4:23 pm |
| i know, isn't it sad?
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> beer is a spirit..
> olympics are roman..
> you need to get out more
>
> "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
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| > army units full of poofs...[color=blue]
> see spartans
And the sanitation.
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| > beer is a spirit..
> olympics are roman..
> you need to get out more
Or watch the History channel.
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| Consultant 2004-01-26, 4:23 pm |
| no bike shows, well, the occasional history of the motorcycle, but that isnt
very often
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> Or watch the History channel.
>
>
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-29, 10:23 am |
| The people currently attending public school
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Politician Spock
Thug #24601
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> who do you think need "it"
>
> "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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to[color=blue]
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-29, 10:23 am |
| Thanks,
Unfortunately I was sent out of town the last three days.
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Thug #24601
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> please reply to this monday ghengis
>
> "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> has
> but
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-29, 10:23 am |
| I do, which is why it is ludicrous to say it "has not a single thing to do".
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Thug #24601
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> to
to[color=blue]
the[color=blue]
>
> so you dont believe in cause and effect
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| billyw 2004-01-30, 8:23 am |
| thrown out i bet...
and not a minute too soon
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks,
>
> Unfortunately I was sent out of town the last three days.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
>
>
> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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it[color=blue]
having,[color=blue]
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> force
> (they'll
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> A
> with
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-30, 9:23 am |
| 48 new servers had to be installed in our data warehouse and it was my job
to set them up for Citrix. They couldn't afford to throw me out as deep as
they are into this project.
Given Brat's new gig and my new gig that pays me more than twice as much as
my previous job, its easy for me to conclude that the economy is improving
everyday. Gephardt would never admit it but that's the biggest reason he
pulled out of the presidencial race. If the economy was still in towards the
crapper, he would be the democratic front runner because of his working
class agendas. People know the economy is improving which meant Gephardt
needed a new plan.... or withdraw.
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Thug #24601
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> thrown out i bet...
> and not a minute too soon
>
>
> "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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