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(Off the Subject) Hacker vs Cracker
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| =?Utf-8?B?TG5rd2l6YXJk?= 2004-01-15, 2:23 pm |
| In some of the magazines that I get, there has been a recent on-going debate over the hacker/cracker name tags. Just for the grins and giggles I was wondering what the opinion of the MCNGP group would be on this subject.
The current definitions are - Hacker: One who can break down code quickly to rebuildor repair it or one who can crank out a working program quickly. Cracker: One who intentionaly invades private/government computer systems out of curiosity, to steal mone
y, or to damage/destroy a system. However, there are those who feel that hacker or cracker can be used to define a person who breaks into computer systems, and that the terms are interchangable.
What do you think?
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| > What do you think?
I'm offended by your use of the term "cracker". Desist in this usage or I
will be forced to start legal action against you.
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| Andy Foster 2004-01-15, 2:23 pm |
| On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:46:05 -0800, Lnkwizard wrote:
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> What do you think?
I think you've got too much time on your hands.
BTW, the standard tag for an off-topic message is [OT].
HTH
Andy
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| =?Utf-8?Q?Frisbee=C2=AE_MCNGP?= 2004-01-15, 2:23 pm |
| Lnkwizard wrote:
> In some of the magazines that I get, there has been a recent on-going
> debate over the hacker/cracker name tags. Just for the grins and
> giggles I was wondering what the opinion of the MCNGP group would be
> on this subject.
>
> The current definitions are - Hacker: One who can break down code
> quickly to rebuildor repair it or one who can crank out a working
> program quickly. Cracker: One who intentionaly invades
> private/government computer systems out of curiosity, to steal money,
> or to damage/destroy a system. However, there are those who feel
> that hacker or cracker can be used to define a person who breaks into
> computer systems, and that the terms are interchangable.
>
> What do you think?
Those definitions are accurate. This is why the terms are often accompanied
by "white hat" or "black hat" and sometimes "gray hat."
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Fris "Invisible hat" bee® MCNGP #13
http://www.mcngp.tk
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
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| Laura A. Robinson 2004-01-15, 2:24 pm |
| In article <ED1A0384-9AE8-4AED-9574-0F330C1061A5@microsoft.com>,
anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> In some of the magazines that I get, there has been a recent on-going debate over the hacker/cracker name tags. Just for the grins and giggles I was wondering what the opinion of the MCNGP group would be on this subject.
>
> The current definitions are - Hacker: One who can break down code quickly to rebuildor repair it or one who can crank out a working program quickly. Cracker: One who intentionaly invades private/government computer systems out of curiosity, to steal mo
ney, or to damage/destroy a system. However, there are those who feel that hacker or cracker can be used to define
a person who breaks into computer systems, and that the terms are interchangable.
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> What do you think?
>
Cracker/Hacker differentiation is more accurate.
Laura
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| =?Utf-8?B?TG5rV2l6YXJk?= 2004-01-15, 3:23 pm |
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----- Andy Foster wrote: -----
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:46:05 -0800, Lnkwizard wrote:
<snip>>> What do you think?
I think you've got too much time on your hands.
BTW, the standard tag for an off-topic message is [OT].
HTH
Andy
Just having a very, very quiet day at work, BTW thanks for the info, wasn't sure about the [OT] part.
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| "Lnkwizard" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> In some of the magazines that I get, there has been a recent on-
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| "Frisbee® MCNGP" <oncebitten@twiceshy.com> wrote in message
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> Fris "Invisible hat" bee® MCNGP #13
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You forgot "Tinfoil Hat"
JaR
Alien Thug
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| Rowdy Yates 2004-01-15, 4:24 pm |
| "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#IGJav52DHA.2680
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
> "Frisbee® MCNGP" <oncebitten@twiceshy.com> wrote in message
> news:OdNdbk52DHA.2952@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
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> You forgot "Tinfoil Hat"
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> JaR
> Alien Thug
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what about my RedHat hat? does that count?
p.s. i really got one. freebie from RH conference but's it's crappy
quality, it keeps digging nito my skull.
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| "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
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Kewl!
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> but's it's crappy
> quality, it keeps digging nito my skull.
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I know, I had the same problem, but then I switched to SuSe ;-)
Jar
Thug #8.2
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| =?Utf-8?B?TWFya28=?= 2004-01-15, 8:25 pm |
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----- Lnkwizard wrote: -----
The current definitions are - Hacker: One who can break down code quickly to rebuildor repair it or one who can crank out a working program quickly. Cracker: One who intentionaly invades private/government computer systems out of curiosity, to steal
money, or to damage/destroy a system.
If a website is altered in any way it is said to have been hacked.
If someone alters software code (like removing copy protection) it is said to have been cracked.
So aren't the above definitions round the wrong way?
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-16, 9:23 am |
| A cracker is someone who breaks into systems with malicious intentions and
if successful begins to cause damage.
A hacker is someone who breaks into systems with positive intentions and if
successful gives the vulnerability results to the admin (who was unaware
they were being hacked) who can take evasive action before the cracker comes
along. A hacker is a vigilantly.
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Politician Spock
Thug #24601
"Lnkwizard" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ED1A0384-9AE8-4AED-9574-0F330C1061A5@microsoft.com...
> In some of the magazines that I get, there has been a recent on-going
debate over the hacker/cracker name tags. Just for the grins and giggles I
was wondering what the opinion of the MCNGP group would be on this subject.
>
> The current definitions are - Hacker: One who can break down code quickly
to rebuildor repair it or one who can crank out a working program quickly.
Cracker: One who intentionaly invades private/government computer systems
out of curiosity, to steal money, or to damage/destroy a system. However,
there are those who feel that hacker or cracker can be used to define a
person who breaks into computer systems, and that the terms are
interchangable.
>
> What do you think?
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| Consultant 2004-01-16, 10:23 am |
| wtf is a vigilantly?
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OmOEfgD3DHA.2888@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> A cracker is someone who breaks into systems with malicious intentions and
> if successful begins to cause damage.
>
> A hacker is someone who breaks into systems with positive intentions and
if
> successful gives the vulnerability results to the admin (who was unaware
> they were being hacked) who can take evasive action before the cracker
comes
> along. A hacker is a vigilantly.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
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> "Lnkwizard" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ED1A0384-9AE8-4AED-9574-0F330C1061A5@microsoft.com...
> debate over the hacker/cracker name tags. Just for the grins and giggles
I
> was wondering what the opinion of the MCNGP group would be on this
subject.
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> to rebuildor repair it or one who can crank out a working program quickly.
> Cracker: One who intentionaly invades private/government computer systems
> out of curiosity, to steal money, or to damage/destroy a system. However,
> there are those who feel that hacker or cracker can be used to define a
> person who breaks into computer systems, and that the terms are
> interchangable.
>
>
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-16, 12:24 pm |
| "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
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> wtf is a vigilantly?
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A person who is on the lookout for possible danger. Someone who dirves
around at night looking for drunk drivers and calls the police when he spots
one is a vigilanty. Someone who hacks into a network only to point out the
security hole to the admin is a vigilanty. A hacker is a vigilanty. A
cracker will cause destruction once inside.
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Politician Spock
Thug #24601
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| Consultant 2004-01-16, 12:25 pm |
| yes, i know what a vigilanty is, but what is this vigilantly you speak of?
"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e4m9ACE3DHA.540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
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> A person who is on the lookout for possible danger. Someone who dirves
> around at night looking for drunk drivers and calls the police when he
spots
> one is a vigilanty. Someone who hacks into a network only to point out the
> security hole to the admin is a vigilanty. A hacker is a vigilanty. A
> cracker will cause destruction once inside.
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> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-16, 12:25 pm |
| "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
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> yes, i know what a vigilanty is, but what is this vigilantly you speak of?
>
The new distinction between a hacker and a cracker being pushed is that a
hacker is a vigilanty.
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Politician Spock
Thug #24601
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| =?Utf-8?B?TG5rV2l6YXJk?= 2004-01-16, 12:26 pm |
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----- Marko wrote: ----
If a website is altered in any way it is said to have been hacked
If someone alters software code (like removing copy protection) it is said to have been cracked
So aren't the above definitions round the wrong way
It is possible,from the looks of all the posts here there are several definitions out there. I was using the ones from a security publication.
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| "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>a vigilanty is, but what is this vigilantly you >speak of?
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> The new distinction between a hacker and a cracker being pushed is that a
> hacker is a vigilanty.
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VIGILANTE
Furrfu!
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