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| Dragon 2004-01-14, 4:23 pm |
| Disclaimer!!!! I am NOT an Indian :-)
So here it goes,,,
There has been 'Indian bashing' going on everywhere since companies starting
moving their support to India. All is fun and good but I was just
thinking,,,, is it really an Indian's fault that our companies are moving
there? If there is a job opening in India, an Indian is definitely going to
apply for it and do the job. (Good or bad, language etc are a different
issue). I think we are trying to close our eyes from the fact that it is our
companies who are the cause for all this not Indians. If I were an Indian, I
would happily accept a job paying me 10% of what US employees get paid, why?
Because it still puts me in probably above 70% of the other salaried
population.
Any comments?
Thinking Dragon.
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| Ken Briscoe 2004-01-14, 4:23 pm |
| <snip Pro-Indian agenda  >
You *do* make quite a bit of sense here. I can't speak for everyone, but I
know that *I* don't hate the Indians, Chinese, and whoever is "taking"
"our" jobs. Of course it's not their fault. International companies set up
factories, corporate headquarters, satellite offices, etc in the US, and
employ Americans. It's no different. I hate the *idea* of moving "my" job
overseas, but not the person who gets it. What, is that person expected to
decline the job and have it sent back to America? Of course not.
Luckily, I have not been affected by outsourcing personally...yet. My
company (a small company) benefits more from having us (our small, 4 person
IT dept) on site than halfway around the world. It would cost them more in
recruitment and flying the owners overseas every so often than to just set
us up on site. I think if my job had been sent to India, I might be singing
a different tune, although I would like to think that I'd take it all in
stride and see the big picture.
So no, in my view, it's not the Indians I hate, it's just the fact that the
Indians are getting the jobs. I wish this wasn't the case. But since it
*is* the case (at least in the current economy), I am accepting it and not
holding them personally responsible. I am holding American corporations
responsible, however, as *they* are the root of the problem.
--
KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
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"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
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> <snip Pro-Indian agenda >
>
> <and more snippage>
The sad truth of the matter is that it is the executive management of these
corporations that are killing the goose that laid the golden egg. In their
desperate quest for short-term profits, and the obscene bonuses that they
reap, they have lost sight of their obligations to the communites that
depend on them and have supported them. We are on our way to becoming a
third-world nation of wealthy or poor, with no middle-class. First the
manufacturing went, and no-one cared. "Ah, well, we just need to reeducate
the unemployed into the high tech sector and all will be well. Now those
jobs are going away. Any job that does not absolutely require an on-site
presence is vulnerable. All with the goal of maximizing short term profits.
Never mind that the tax burden is increased because more families are
working McJobs without healthcare or retirement. Hell, most of those jobs
are not even full time, forcing people to work two and sometimes three jobs
just to get by.
Who will be buying all these products and services when there are no living
wage jobs left? Think we can survive as a nation of lawyers? Who's gonna pay
the plumber to fix a toilet when you can't feed the kids? Who's going to pay
the framing contractor when nobody's buying houses?
We have a 2Trillion dollar national debt, and we're spending money like a
drunken sailor in Iraq. Meanwhile, not only are tax revenues down because of
un and under-employment, but the govt gives massive tax cuts to try to
stimulate the economy. Has it created any living wage jobs? No, but Wal-Mart
posted record earnings. Great! Ma took her tax refund check and bought a new
TV. Is anything Wal-Mart sells actually made in the states? Does Wal-Mart
pay a living wage to its employees?
Do I blame the Indians for any of this? Fsck no! The fault lies with the
corporations and our enlightened government.
OK, Better now. Here endeth mine rant.
JaR
Thug #0.02
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| Consultant 2004-01-14, 5:23 pm |
| that's why we must boycott these companies and hit them where it hurts, the
wallet
"JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:u0HS9cu2DHA.2528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
> "Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
> news:eDxoFFu2DHA.560@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> The sad truth of the matter is that it is the executive management of
these
> corporations that are killing the goose that laid the golden egg. In their
> desperate quest for short-term profits, and the obscene bonuses that they
> reap, they have lost sight of their obligations to the communites that
> depend on them and have supported them. We are on our way to becoming a
> third-world nation of wealthy or poor, with no middle-class. First the
> manufacturing went, and no-one cared. "Ah, well, we just need to
reeducate
> the unemployed into the high tech sector and all will be well. Now those
> jobs are going away. Any job that does not absolutely require an on-site
> presence is vulnerable. All with the goal of maximizing short term
profits.
> Never mind that the tax burden is increased because more families are
> working McJobs without healthcare or retirement. Hell, most of those jobs
> are not even full time, forcing people to work two and sometimes three
jobs
> just to get by.
>
> Who will be buying all these products and services when there are no
living
> wage jobs left? Think we can survive as a nation of lawyers? Who's gonna
pay
> the plumber to fix a toilet when you can't feed the kids? Who's going to
pay
> the framing contractor when nobody's buying houses?
>
> We have a 2Trillion dollar national debt, and we're spending money like a
> drunken sailor in Iraq. Meanwhile, not only are tax revenues down because
of
> un and under-employment, but the govt gives massive tax cuts to try to
> stimulate the economy. Has it created any living wage jobs? No, but
Wal-Mart
> posted record earnings. Great! Ma took her tax refund check and bought a
new
> TV. Is anything Wal-Mart sells actually made in the states? Does Wal-Mart
> pay a living wage to its employees?
>
> Do I blame the Indians for any of this? Fsck no! The fault lies with the
> corporations and our enlightened government.
>
> OK, Better now. Here endeth mine rant.
>
> JaR
> Thug #0.02
>
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| billyw 2004-01-14, 5:23 pm |
| two words
corporate greed
two more
short termism
another four
selling out your own..
every study the Roman empire..
notice how the empire fell apart as more things moved east to const.
welcome to the developed world becoming the poor world..
why .. because of corp greed.
are indians to blame.. no.. are chinese to blame.. no..
are politicians in the west to blame.. no.. we elect the greedy, self
serving idiots.. so who is selling our industry to the lowest bidder..
us..
no one else...
"Dragon" <NoSpam_Baadil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uW2po8t2DHA.1760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Disclaimer!!!! I am NOT an Indian :-)
>
> So here it goes,,,
>
>
> There has been 'Indian bashing' going on everywhere since companies
starting
> moving their support to India. All is fun and good but I was just
> thinking,,,, is it really an Indian's fault that our companies are moving
> there? If there is a job opening in India, an Indian is definitely going
to
> apply for it and do the job. (Good or bad, language etc are a different
> issue). I think we are trying to close our eyes from the fact that it is
our
> companies who are the cause for all this not Indians. If I were an Indian,
I
> would happily accept a job paying me 10% of what US employees get paid,
why?
> Because it still puts me in probably above 70% of the other salaried
> population.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Thinking Dragon.
>
>
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| Ken Briscoe 2004-01-14, 5:23 pm |
| > that's why we must boycott these companies and hit them where it hurts,
the
> wallet
or the nuts.
--
KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
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| Dragon 2004-01-14, 6:23 pm |
| I think there has to be a better solution. I know for a fact that boycott by
a few will not make much difference unless everyone joins in. Also, how many
companies will you apply that to? Most of the companies are global anyway.
They get parts from China, get it assembled in Mexico and sell it in the US.
To them service is just another part of their product that they are getting
manufactured outside the US.
"Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:O5iChfu2DHA.3016@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> that's why we must boycott these companies and hit them where it hurts,
the
> wallet
>
> "JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:u0HS9cu2DHA.2528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> these
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> reeducate
> profits.
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| > us..
> no one else...
I knew you were the problem.
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| Consultant 2004-01-14, 6:23 pm |
| well, for one, i cancelled my earthlink dial up service when they announced
they were sending their support to india. and believe me, i let them know
why i cancelled.
"Dragon" <NoSpam_Baadil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uyHB7tu2DHA.3436@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I think there has to be a better solution. I know for a fact that boycott
by
> a few will not make much difference unless everyone joins in. Also, how
many
> companies will you apply that to? Most of the companies are global anyway.
> They get parts from China, get it assembled in Mexico and sell it in the
US.
> To them service is just another part of their product that they are
getting
> manufactured outside the US.
>
>
>
> "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:O5iChfu2DHA.3016@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> the
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| because it was dial up? lol
--
Sue Thugette #69
"Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eGM9sEv2DHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> well, for one, i cancelled my earthlink dial up service when they
announced
> they were sending their support to india. and believe me, i let them know
> why i cancelled.
>
>
> "Dragon" <NoSpam_Baadil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uyHB7tu2DHA.3436@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
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| Dragon 2004-01-14, 7:23 pm |
| U really are a brat! :-)
"Brat" < likeIwouldtellyou@inyourdreams
.com> wrote in message
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> because it was dial up? lol
>
> --
> Sue Thugette #69
>
> "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eGM9sEv2DHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> announced
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| and your point?
--
Sue Thugette #69
"Dragon" <NoSpam_Baadil@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> U really are a brat! :-)
>
>
> "Brat" < likeIwouldtellyou@inyourdreams
.com> wrote in message
> news:%236q2yHv2DHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> know
> how
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| > and your point?
I thought it was pretty clear. He said you are a brat.
Hope this clears things up!
No need to thank me.
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| Dragon 2004-01-15, 12:23 pm |
| Nicely put :-)
"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@f'nspammersdie.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I thought it was pretty clear. He said you are a brat.
>
> Hope this clears things up!
>
>
>
> No need to thank me.
>
>
>
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>-----Original Message-----
where it hurts,[color=blue]
>the
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>or the nuts.
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>--
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>KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
>
>first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
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>
>.
>Isn't this the whole basic idea of capitalization? If
someone can do something cheaper then the rest they
prosper. They tried that idea of having everything for
everybody in the USSR, but that obviousely didn't work!
Instead of complaining about things like this, be
proactive and look at the trends developing and take
advantage of them. There is a reason why horse lead
buggies aren't popular anymore!
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| Politician Spock 2004-01-16, 3:23 pm |
| "Jessy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> someone can do something cheaper then the rest they
> prosper. They tried that idea of having everything for
> everybody in the USSR, but that obviousely didn't work!
> Instead of complaining about things like this, be
> proactive and look at the trends developing and take
> advantage of them. There is a reason why horse lead
> buggies aren't popular anymore!
We all know they were replaced by indian lead buggies. No need to recount
history for us.
--
Politician Spock
Thug #24601
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