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| Andy Foster 2003-09-27, 3:23 am |
| On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:14:32 -0700, Ramiz Sardar wrote:
> How Can i install multi windows in a single partition of hard drive. i
> means i want to install both win98 and winXP in my C drive. How i can
> Thanks in advance.
> Ramiz
Install Win98 first.
Install WinXP - fresh installation, not upgrade - to a diferent folder
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| To expand this thread a bit...
First, a question to all... I have not used multiple OSs
on a single drive since XP came out (no need, IMHO. XP
runs everything that 98 will, usually better, except for
the really old stuff)
Q: Previously when installing multiple OS in a single
partition I've encountered most of my problems with
applications not working properly; typically even though
each OS is in seperate folders they share a common Program
Files folder. Installs of most MS OSs give you the option
of what folder Windows itself will install into but no
option to redirect Program Files. Therein lies the
problem. Has that been resolved with XP (ie. do you have
a choice to relocate Program Files?)
Onward....
Assuming the answer to my question is "no" I cannot
recommend using a single partition for multiple OSs. Too
messy. Applications have to be installed multiple times
over top of each other, patches to IE, Office, etc. are a
problem especially when there are OS-specific fixes, file
systems can be incompatible (W98 will force you to use
FAT32 so XP security is lost with NTFS not on the sysvol.)
My suggestion is to reconsider the single partition idea
and split your hard drive into two (or more) primary
partitions using your favorite disk utility. Mine is
Partition Magic 8 for now.
Assuming you have a modern hard drive (>20GB), put a
Primary FAT32 at the beginning of your drive. 4-8GB
should be more than enough for W98. Put another Primary
partition behind that and format that with NTFS. Normal
FDISK utilities will not allow you to make multiple
primary partitions on a single drive. You have to have
something like Partition Magic to pull this off.
[Aside: Stay below 8GB if you are going to load an older
OS such as NT4 on the disk. NT4's last partition sector
must be below ~8GB or it may not boot after applying
service packs or hotfixes that update NTLOADER.EXE or
NTOSKRNL.EXE or any of the other files used in the 'black
screen' portion of the startup. If these files get placed
outside of the 1024th physical cylinder on the drive NT 4
will not start. XP and W2K do not have this problem.]
Put your OSs in partitions so that the older they are, the
closer they are to the 'front' of the hard drive. Ex:
DOS, Win98, W2K, XP would work OK but Win98, DOS, NT4, XP
would not in most cases. Startup for the OS depends on
the start and ending sector of the partition lying within
allowed physical boundaries for a specific file system and
OS type.
In your case, make your XP partition a primary partition
formatted NTFS that spans the space from the end of the
FAT32 to the last usable sector of your drive.
You will install XP into that partition.
Doing this keeps both OSs totally independent. One does
not affect the other in any way.
For fast choosing of the OS you want to start you can
install BootMagic into the W98 partition and configure
that utility to give you a menu to choose from. There
will be settings for default OS, timeout, etc. If you do
not like that you can boot from the emergency diskette
that PM makes, or the CD, and change the active partition
to start the OS you want to run. There is no menu then,
and the active OS will boot quickly and remain active
until you change the active partition. How often you
actually switch OSs would be the determining factor here.
You can run up to four independent OSs from a single drive
with this approach. Other boot utilities such as System
Commander (fondly known as System Corrupter within my
circle) or ERD Commander (a newer version of System
Corrupter, I believe) will offer to do this for you too.
My next suggestion extends this concept a bit further...
I would consider creation of a third partition (extended,
not primary) at the end of the drive, split it up
logically however you wish, but make sure one of the
logical partitions is formatted with a file system common
to all of your OSs (FAT, FAT32, etc) so that you can store
data there that you want to access from any of your loaded
OSs. You can also install applications there that run OK
in all OSs to save space although I do not receommend that
for the same reason I do not recommend using a single
partition to begin with. A true DOS OS will not access
this partition if you put it at the tail-end of a large
drive even if it is FAT. To solve that you can put a
second drive in and put an (up to) 2GB FAT partition at
the beginning of the drive that DOS will 'see'.
I know this does not answer your question directly. You
got that answer correctly from Andy Foster's post. If you
are committed to running multiple OSs from a single
partition you have to install the older OSs first as he
stated. The Boot loader of XP will detect the other OSs
and offer you a menu to choose. You can change the
default choice and timing by editing the boot.ini file (or
change options in the GUI for System Properties.)
If I were to consider this for myself I would base my
decision on the answer to my question, can you have
independent Program Files locations on XP. IF so, then
the problems with applications will be mostly resolved.
You will need a lot of room to hold both OSs, FAT32
partitions over 8GB start to become inefficent on cluster
waste.
Frankly, all that said, I would abandon 98 and just run a
system with XP. I was a staunch 98 fan, being somewhat of
a gamer. Until XP there were no other OSs that ran games
well, 98SE was it. 98 is a great OS still but is falling
behind on technology and is marginally unstable. Load up
XP and go with that. Consider it a practical application
of the K.I.S.S. method. Multiple OSs can showcase your
ability to control your environment using non-tivial
techniques within the application of technology, or it a
damn fast way to make a soup sandwich out of your hard
drive....
Take Care!
Don't forget to back up your good stuff before you try any
of this or you might be very sorry you didn't
TTYL,
Craig
>-----Original Message-----
>On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:14:32 -0700, Ramiz Sardar wrote:
>
>> How Can i install multi windows in a single partition
of hard drive. i
>> means i want to install both win98 and winXP in my C
drive. How i can
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Ramiz
>
>Install Win98 first.
>Install WinXP - fresh installation, not upgrade - to a
diferent folder
>.
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| Ramiz,
The answer is: Don't do it. You'll regret it. You *will* regret it.
The rest of your answer depends on your current situation. How big is
your drive? Is W98 already installed on C:?
I will assume it is.
Buy Partition Magic in a box. Read the little manual. Install it
under Win98. Read its help files. Read all that stuff twice. You
will learn alot about hardrives and partitions. Now you'll probably
be able to figure out the anwer to your question.
If not, back up your data then, use PM to resize your current partion.
Make it a gigabyte or two bigger than needed to hold your current OS,
programs and data. That way, you'll have room for more Win98 programs
if you want to install them. Leave the rest of the space
unpartitioned.
Now, Do you have XP pro or home? I don't know anything about Home.
If you have pro, just put in the XP Pro CD. Make sure you do not
choose to upgrade 98. During the early part of the install you will
get asked about partitions. Like, what partition do you want to use,
do you want to create partitions in the unpartitioned space, etc.
Create a partition in the unpartitioned space. It can be either
primary or extended, it doesn't matter. Choose primary if you like.
If you choose extended, you will have to create a logical drive.
The prompst will walk you through the process.
Now, the size of your new partition depends a lot on the size of your
drive. If you have a big drive, make your new XP partition around 10
gigs and save the rest of the space on the drive to be your data
partition. (makes for easier backups later).
Format the new partition with either FAT 32 or NTFS, depending on
whether or not you want Win 98 to access the partition. Bear in mind
Win 98 can't read NTFS partitions, so when you are running 98, that
partition will not exist for Win 98 if its formatted in NTFS.
If you have a small drive, you have to figure out how much you want to
use for what.
Now you'll have a C: Drive and a D: drive. Just continue with the
install. Put XP in the D: drive as a clean install. It will put four
smallish files in the root of the C: drive and the rest of itself into
the D: drive. It will also detect Win 98 and create a boot menu for
you, so you can pick your OS when you boot up. I would advise you to
use this boot menu and NOT mess around with Partition Magic's boot
program (Boot Magic).
If you make sure you understand the process and go through it
carefully, this almost always works without a glitch. And you won't
regret it later, as you certainly will if you put them both in the
same partition.
Question for anyone - Does XP home have the same partitioning options
in Setup?
Please don't tell me I should go look it up -- 
oh and by the way, if you arre thinking about win 2000, do the same
thing, but use win 2000 before XP.
For microsft programs, the install order should be least powerful
first, then oldest least powerful, oldest more powerful, next oldest
least powerful, next oldest more powerful and so on.
Like this: DOS, Win 3.1 , Win95, Win98, NT Workstation, NT Server,
2000 Pro, 2000 Server, XP Pro, 2003 Server.
Can you do that? Yup. But you need lots of partitions, which ususally
should be one primary and the other extended, with multiple logical
drives.
This shd keep you busy for a while
Good luck
"Ramiz Sardar" <ramizsardar@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> How Can i install multi windows in a single partition of
> hard drive. i means i want to install both win98 and
> winXP in my C drive. How i can
> Thanks in advance.
> Ramiz
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| Chris Norris 2003-09-29, 6:23 am |
| On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:14:32 -0700, "Ramiz Sardar"
<ramizsardar@hotmail.com> wrote:
>How Can i install multi windows in a single partition of
>hard drive. i means i want to install both win98 and
>winXP in my C drive. How i can
> Thanks in advance.
> Ramiz
Or if you're aim is to experiment with different versions try using
VMWare.
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