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Re: Authors Wanted - WHOIS itc2.org???
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| From eNom.com's WHOIS server:
Organization Name DNC Corp
First Name Dennis
Last Name Flanders
Address 1 1309 140th Place NE
Address 2
City Bellevue
StateProvince NA
PostalCode 98007
Country US
Phone 425-649-0808
Fax none
EmailAddress
Item Value
created-date:
nameserver: ns.entryhost.com
ns2.entryhost.com
ns3.entryhost.com
registrar: 5065-EN
registration-expiration-date:
status:
updated-by: admin
updated-date:
He posts to UseNet under the same name he registers his domain with. That
doesnt raise any red flags with me.
But I think the premise of his site is BS.
But thats just my two cents and we know what opinions are like...
Good luck Dennis, maybe more certs in the world is the answer to the paper
certified problems
-AA
"Geomancer" <pharfromhome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cf90fb89.0306050329.adb1da3@posting.google.com...
> Wow! What an opportunity!
>
> I'm working on a book right now, titled "How to write good".
>
> But seriously, this is another one of these scams, where they entice
> would-be authors, get them to send-in material, and then stiff the
> writers.
>
> Note that there were on "real" names mentioned, no website, and only
> anon e-mail addresses.
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| Daniel Morgan 2003-06-23, 12:23 pm |
| aaron.abercromby@jediknight3.org wrote:
> From eNom.com's WHOIS server:
>
> Organization Name DNC Corp
> First Name Dennis
> Last Name Flanders
> Address 1 1309 140th Place NE
> Address 2
> City Bellevue
> StateProvince NA
> PostalCode 98007
> Country US
> Phone 425-649-0808
> Fax none
> EmailAddress
>
> Item Value
> created-date:
> nameserver: ns.entryhost.com
> ns2.entryhost.com
> ns3.entryhost.com
> registrar: 5065-EN
> registration-expiration-date:
> status:
> updated-by: admin
> updated-date:
>
> He posts to UseNet under the same name he registers his domain with. That
> doesnt raise any red flags with me.
> But I think the premise of his site is BS.
> But thats just my two cents and we know what opinions are like...
>
> Good luck Dennis, maybe more certs in the world is the answer to the paper
> certified problems
>
> -AA
>
> "Geomancer" <pharfromhome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cf90fb89.0306050329.adb1da3@posting.google.com...
> > Wow! What an opportunity!
> >
> > I'm working on a book right now, titled "How to write good".
> >
> > But seriously, this is another one of these scams, where they entice
> > would-be authors, get them to send-in material, and then stiff the
> > writers.
> >
> > Note that there were on "real" names mentioned, no website, and only
> > anon e-mail addresses.
ITC2 is located in Bellevue, Washington and I have personally met with the two
principles. They seem to be sincere
but I have not had enough contact with them to feel comfortable, at this time,
rendering an opinion one way or the
other.
What I can say is that it takes two pieces to make a certification worth the
paper on which it is printed. First the
certification must have meaning. Those that have it "must" actually be capable
of doing the job for which they are
certified. Another piece of paper backed by nothing of substance will have no
value.
The second piece is that employers must recognize the certification, and those
that possess it, to have value. The
certificates awarded by my program at the University of Washington are
recognized as being of value both because
of the quality of students that graduate and the reputation of a major
university.
The ITC2 certification, should it someday exist, will have to meet both
criteria. At this point I do not have enough
information to, as I said above, render an opinion.
If further contacts with this group lead me to believe there is something here
I will post something to that effect.
--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/...oad/oad_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)
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| Geomancer 2003-06-23, 6:23 pm |
| Yes, real world experience IS important.
I remember back when the Oracle7 Certified DBA certificate required
proof of at least 3 years experience.
But a certificate without a knowledge test?
The ECODBA certification page says:
"Many people have several years of experience and are not able to
achieve certification because they simply "freeze up" at the mere
thought of having to take a test. They are not able to obtain
certification, and all the while some sophomore in high school is
walking around with several of them."
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| Daniel Morgan <damorgan@exxesolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3EF729C0.73319797@exxesolutions.com>...
> aaron.abercromby@jediknight3.org wrote:
>
> > From eNom.com's WHOIS server:
> >
> > Organization Name DNC Corp
> > First Name Dennis
> > Last Name Flanders
> > Address 1 1309 140th Place NE
> > Address 2
> > City Bellevue
> > StateProvince NA
> > PostalCode 98007
> > Country US
> > Phone 425-649-0808
> > Fax none
> > EmailAddress
> >
> > Item Value
> > created-date:
> > nameserver: ns.entryhost.com
> > ns2.entryhost.com
> > ns3.entryhost.com
> > registrar: 5065-EN
> > registration-expiration-date:
> > status:
> > updated-by: admin
> > updated-date:
> >
> > He posts to UseNet under the same name he registers his domain with. That
> > doesnt raise any red flags with me.
> > But I think the premise of his site is BS.
> > But thats just my two cents and we know what opinions are like...
> >
> > Good luck Dennis, maybe more certs in the world is the answer to the paper
> > certified problems
> >
> > -AA
> >
> > "Geomancer" <pharfromhome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:cf90fb89.0306050329.adb1da3@posting.google.com...
> > > Wow! What an opportunity!
> > >
> > > I'm working on a book right now, titled "How to write good".
> > >
> > > But seriously, this is another one of these scams, where they entice
> > > would-be authors, get them to send-in material, and then stiff the
> > > writers.
> > >
> > > Note that there were on "real" names mentioned, no website, and only
> > > anon e-mail addresses.
>
> ITC2 is located in Bellevue, Washington and I have personally met with the two
> principles. They seem to be sincere
> but I have not had enough contact with them to feel comfortable, at this time,
> rendering an opinion one way or the
> other.
>
> What I can say is that it takes two pieces to make a certification worth the
> paper on which it is printed. First the
> certification must have meaning. Those that have it "must" actually be capable
> of doing the job for which they are
> certified. Another piece of paper backed by nothing of substance will have no
> value.
>
> The second piece is that employers must recognize the certification, and those
> that possess it, to have value. The
> certificates awarded by my program at the University of Washington are
> recognized as being of value both because
> of the quality of students that graduate and the reputation of a major
> university.
>
> The ITC2 certification, should it someday exist, will have to meet both
> criteria. At this point I do not have enough
> information to, as I said above, render an opinion.
>
> If further contacts with this group lead me to believe there is something here
> I will post something to that effect.
When someone tries to market here this bugger jumps up. See what the
hell he is doing himself.
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| J Alex 2003-06-24, 10:23 am |
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"Geomancer" <pharfromhome@hotmail.com> wrote
> Yes, real world experience IS important.
>
I'd take an 'A' student with no experience who just graduated with an MS in
Computer Science over a 'C' student with 4 years experience.
In my experience (with co-workers and employees) the best predictor of
success in the computer industry has been a college degree with good grades
in math, computer science, or engineering. And even better if a graduate
degree. Some people without that are very good, but almost without
exception, the very best I've worked with have had a BS or MS in a
scientific field. I haven't found any certification program to be a
worthwhile predictor.
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| Geomancer 2003-06-24, 4:23 pm |
| > I'd take an 'A' student with no experience who just graduated with an MS in
> Computer Science over a 'C' student with 4 years experience.
Hear Hear!!!!
> In my experience (with co-workers and employees) the best predictor of
> success in the computer industry has been a college degree with good grades
> in math, computer science, or engineering. And even better if a graduate
> degree.
Yes indeed.
Remarkably, those with an MS in Math or an MBA make exceptional Oracle
DBAs.
Personally, I think any Oracle certification should include a degree
in a quantitative major (CS, engineering, math).
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