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Politician Spock

2003-04-24, 11:23 am

Just thought I'd tell you, I have scrapped the backhand throw for the
forehand throw. When I really get my body into the throw I can't grip it
strong enough on the backhand throw, thus it slips out to early and goes off
weakly in the wrong direction. I get a really good grip on the forehand
throw so I can give it all the power I want and it always comes out with a
good spin to cut through the air. My only problem now is since it is new, it
comes out at very erratic angles. As you know that's not good. But I am
going to assume that will get better with practice.

My question to you is, Do any on the pro tour use the forehand throw, and if
so, what percentage do? I just want to know how much of a freak I am to use
it because I don't personally know anyone who does, though I have seen it
occasionally on the course.

Thanks.
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Consultant

2003-04-24, 11:23 am

that is off topic for this forum

"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just thought I'd tell you, I have scrapped the backhand throw for the
> forehand throw. When I really get my body into the throw I can't grip it
> strong enough on the backhand throw, thus it slips out to early and goes
off
> weakly in the wrong direction. I get a really good grip on the forehand
> throw so I can give it all the power I want and it always comes out with a
> good spin to cut through the air. My only problem now is since it is new,
it
> comes out at very erratic angles. As you know that's not good. But I am
> going to assume that will get better with practice.
>
> My question to you is, Do any on the pro tour use the forehand throw, and
if
> so, what percentage do? I just want to know how much of a freak I am to
use
> it because I don't personally know anyone who does, though I have seen it
> occasionally on the course.
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Politician Spock
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability to
> understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
> living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
> © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
>

Politician Spock

2003-04-24, 11:23 am

"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> that is off topic for this forum
>

Could the sarcasm in your post be any more obvious?! ;-)

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Frisbee=AE_MCNGP?=

2003-04-24, 11:23 am

"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OHU7dVnCDHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Just thought I'd tell you, I have scrapped the backhand throw for the
> forehand throw. When I really get my body into the throw I can't grip it
> strong enough on the backhand throw, thus it slips out to early and goes
off
> weakly in the wrong direction. I get a really good grip on the forehand
> throw so I can give it all the power I want and it always comes out with a
> good spin to cut through the air. My only problem now is since it is new,
it
> comes out at very erratic angles. As you know that's not good. But I am
> going to assume that will get better with practice.

Are you using a golf disc or a regular (Wham-O) disc? Golf discs tend to
need quite a bit of anhyzer. Hyzer is angling downwards the side of the
disc that rotates forward, so for example a right-hander throwing a backhand
will have the outside edge tilted down. With golf discs being heavier than
regular discs, you need the opposite angle, hence anhyzer, with the outside
edge (moving forward) angled slightly upwards. It's also critical that you
keep both the nose (front) of the disc and the entire throwing motion more
or less completely flat, as if you were dragging the disc on a (very high)
table top, generally keeping the disc at about shoulder-level throughout
your entire drive.

By "forehand" I'm guessing what you mean is a sidearm throw. A more
traditional forehand is more often called a "thumber" as the pivot is off
your thumb. That's a very high-speed, powerful throw and is mostly used for
a game called "Guts", but it is sometimes used in disc golf to throw
rollers. The sidearm, on the other hand, is (in theory, at least) the best
potential throw for distance, as it apparently uses all the strongest
muscles in the throwing motion, but it's a lot harder to control than a
backhand throw. The sidearm is done with the thumb on the outside of the
disc, with the disc pivoting on either the index or middle finger. Took me
several years to master that throw, and I generally throw shots that I want
to curve hard right (right-hander) or rollers with that throw.

A sidearm is a good throw to have in your arsenal, but you may want to
consider altering your backhand grip to a "power grip." A regular backhand
grip places the index finger along the rim, with the thumb on top and the
remaining three fingers underneath. This is best for putts and approach
shots, but keeps you from potentially longer distance on drives. To change
to a power grip, grab the disc more like a beer mug, with the thumb on top
and the four fingers curled on the bottom. There are several varieties to
this grip. It takes a little getting used to, but you'll add several yards
to your drive. By the way, the current world record for distance (using
this grip) is over 200 meters.

> My question to you is, Do any on the pro tour use the forehand throw, and
if
> so, what percentage do? I just want to know how much of a freak I am to
use
> it because I don't personally know anyone who does, though I have seen it
> occasionally on the course.

The vast majority use the backhand, but I've seen many players use sidearm
almost exclusively. We had a former pro baseball player at our course years
ago. Since he pitched sidearm, the sidearm disc throw was much more natural
to him. I've even seen people attempt distance competitions with sidearm,
but it's rare, and they never seem to win. They still can throw a hell of a
lot further than me, though.

If you'd like some great distance tips, scan google for Scott Stokely. He
was the biggest player for distance for years, he was the first to break the
200 meter barrier, which was recently beaten by a german player, Chris
Voigt, but I don't recall his distance. Scott's sidearms make my drives
look like putts.

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Politician Spock

2003-04-24, 12:23 pm

"Frisbee® MCNGP" <bhileman@dasi-software.com> wrote in message
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>
> Are you using a golf disc or a regular (Wham-O) disc?

I'm using an Innova Cheetah. I've also got an Innova Wolf, and a collection
of some Discraft drivers that were given to me for Christmas, but I always
go back to the Cheetah. It's getting pretty dinged up, so I should probably
get a new one.

> Golf discs tend to
> need quite a bit of anhyzer. Hyzer is angling downwards the side of the
> disc that rotates forward, so for example a right-hander throwing a
backhand
> will have the outside edge tilted down. With golf discs being heavier
than
> regular discs, you need the opposite angle, hence anhyzer, with the
outside
> edge (moving forward) angled slightly upwards. It's also critical that
you
> keep both the nose (front) of the disc and the entire throwing motion more
> or less completely flat, as if you were dragging the disc on a (very high)
> table top, generally keeping the disc at about shoulder-level throughout
> your entire drive.

I've figured out the hyzer issues with the backhand and know where it is
going to go. My issue is the only way to cut down strokes on my game is to
get more distance on my drives.

>
> By "forehand" I'm guessing what you mean is a sidearm throw. A more
> traditional forehand is more often called a "thumber" as the pivot is off
> your thumb. That's a very high-speed, powerful throw and is mostly used
for
> a game called "Guts", but it is sometimes used in disc golf to throw
> rollers. The sidearm, on the other hand, is (in theory, at least) the
best
> potential throw for distance, as it apparently uses all the strongest
> muscles in the throwing motion, but it's a lot harder to control than a
> backhand throw. The sidearm is done with the thumb on the outside of the
> disc, with the disc pivoting on either the index or middle finger. Took
me
> several years to master that throw, and I generally throw shots that I
want
> to curve hard right (right-hander) or rollers with that throw.

What I have changed to is the sidearm with the pivot on the middle finger. I
keep the index finger extended underneath the disc for stability. In a sense
I am pinching the disc between my index finger and thumb and flinging the
inside rim with my middle finger.

>
> A sidearm is a good throw to have in your arsenal, but you may want to
> consider altering your backhand grip to a "power grip." A regular
backhand
> grip places the index finger along the rim, with the thumb on top and the
> remaining three fingers underneath. This is best for putts and approach
> shots, but keeps you from potentially longer distance on drives. To
change
> to a power grip, grab the disc more like a beer mug, with the thumb on top
> and the four fingers curled on the bottom. There are several varieties to
> this grip. It takes a little getting used to, but you'll add several
yards
> to your drive. By the way, the current world record for distance (using
> this grip) is over 200 meters.
>

My regular backhand grip is fine. I have great approach shots with it. I
just can't throw the power grip because when I do, it just slips out of my
hand too soon. Either that or I grip it too hard and it goes flying off
behind me. No matter how much I seem to practice, I can't seem to master it.

>
> The vast majority use the backhand, but I've seen many players use sidearm
> almost exclusively. We had a former pro baseball player at our course
years
> ago. Since he pitched sidearm, the sidearm disc throw was much more
natural
> to him. I've even seen people attempt distance competitions with sidearm,
> but it's rare, and they never seem to win. They still can throw a hell of
a
> lot further than me, though.

I used to play baseball in high school. Throwing it that way does seem more
natural to me. I just have so little experience doing it, it comes out at
inconsistent angles, but I am pretty sure that will change with practice.
But I think I am going to stick with the sidearm because even my bad sidearm
power throws outdistance my regular backhand grip throws. If I can't find a
power throw, there's nothing I can do to improve my game. The sidearm grip
is generating a lot more power and accuracy for me than the backhand power
grip.

>
> If you'd like some great distance tips, scan google for Scott Stokely. He
> was the biggest player for distance for years, he was the first to break
the
> 200 meter barrier, which was recently beaten by a german player, Chris
> Voigt, but I don't recall his distance. Scott's sidearms make my drives
> look like putts.
>
>
> --
> Fris "FORE!" bee® MCNGP #13
>
> http://www.mcngp.tk
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>

I'll check him out. Thanks for all the info.

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Politician Spock
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2003-04-24, 12:23 pm

"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Frisbee® MCNGP" <bhileman@dasi-software.com> wrote in message
> news:e0ORQjnCDHA.2412@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Are you using a golf disc or a regular (Wham-O) disc?
>
> I'm using an Innova Cheetah. I've also got an Innova Wolf, and a
collection
> of some Discraft drivers that were given to me for Christmas, but I always
> go back to the Cheetah. It's getting pretty dinged up, so I should
probably
> get a new one.

Get a new one, but keep the beat-up one. The more you beat-up a disc, the
better it will turn-over (curve against hyzer), and you'll need a good
turnover disc on some shots. It's hard as hell to get a new disc to curve
right (for right-handed backhand). In your case, it will be hard to get it
to curve left (right-handed sidearm).

> What I have changed to is the sidearm with the pivot on the middle finger.
I
> keep the index finger extended underneath the disc for stability. In a
sense
> I am pinching the disc between my index finger and thumb and flinging the
> inside rim with my middle finger.

That's the standard sidearm. It is called the "forehand" by many, moreso
recently as the other "forehand" is used less and less these days. I use
the index in the center as well for precision, but you may want to try
placing it next to the middle finger inside the rim for even a bit more
distance.

> My regular backhand grip is fine. I have great approach shots with it. I
> just can't throw the power grip because when I do, it just slips out of my
> hand too soon. Either that or I grip it too hard and it goes flying off
> behind me. No matter how much I seem to practice, I can't seem to master
it.

Snap... Snap... It's all in the snap.

What you need is to develop the same kind of snap for your backhand that you
naturally have on your sidearm. Ironically, the sidearm is the hardest
throw for most people to learn for exactly that reason. You can get away
with a poor (or almost non-existant) snap on a backhand throw, but you can't
with a sidearm. A poor snap on a sidearm just wobbles and doesn't go very
far. I'm sure I could get you to throw a decent backhand if I could be
there in person, it's way to complicated to describe how to do it well.
Also ironically, while the sidearm is tougher to learn, it's easier to
describe.

> I used to play baseball in high school. Throwing it that way does seem
more
> natural to me. I just have so little experience doing it, it comes out at
> inconsistent angles, but I am pretty sure that will change with practice.
> But I think I am going to stick with the sidearm because even my bad
sidearm
> power throws outdistance my regular backhand grip throws. If I can't find
a
> power throw, there's nothing I can do to improve my game. The sidearm grip
> is generating a lot more power and accuracy for me than the backhand power
> grip.

I know a few people like that, so go with what works, but you should not
give up on the backhand throw. You'll need it at times.

One of the cooler throws that I use is called a "tomohawk" and is done with
a sidearm motion, but over the head and the disc flies upside-down. It's
great for when you have to throw over an obstacle, but not far past it, like
a tall set of bushes or a tall fence, etc. You release the disc almost
completely vertical over your head, and the physics of the disc cause it to
flatten out, upside-down, and fall like a free-thrown basketball. As a
matter of fact, that was the method used by some players that used to travel
with the Harlem Globetrotters, sinking free throws from half-court with a
disc.

By the way, the "shoulder-height throwing motion" I mentioned in an earlier
post only applies to the backhand throw. You'll find you can get more power
(and hence distance) by a more "swooping" motion, starting about elbow
level, swinging down, and following through upwards.

--
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http://www.mcngp.tk
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Laura A. Robinson

2003-04-27, 8:23 pm

circa Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:24:21 -0400, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Politician Spock
(rhammersmith@hotmail.com) said,
> Just thought I'd tell you,
>
Fisbee? Is that the extra-bubbly version?
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