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| chris. 2003-03-25, 10:23 pm |
| There is some truth to this, the Sybex book for
216 is not good at all.
The MS Press book is MUCH better.
I used Sybex first to study for 216, but once I started
taking practice tests I realized that it merely touched
upon subjects. It was then that I studied the MS Press
book. But, I have almost 3 years of hands-on experience...
chris
>-----Original Message-----
>Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
>books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
>havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
>Microsof books.
>.
>
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| |{evin 2003-03-26, 12:23 am |
| On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:27:35 -0800, "chris."
<chris+2000500+@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Sybex is crap!!! I passed 210 and 215 easily with these
>>books, but I failed 216 because the book was CRAP. I
>>havce given up on their 217 book. I am going to the
>>Microsof books.
>>.
>There is some truth to this, the Sybex book for
>216 is not good at all.
>
>The MS Press book is MUCH better.
>
>I used Sybex first to study for 216, but once I started
>taking practice tests I realized that it merely touched
>upon subjects. It was then that I studied the MS Press
>book. But, I have almost 3 years of hands-on experience...
>
>chris
>
Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove that you have
the experience. It's not something you study for, get certified, then
go get a job to learn from. I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a row... got the
tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took 216, 217, 219,
and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible to _memorize_
that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my cert means
something because I did it based completely on experience.
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| Laura A. Robinson 2003-03-26, 9:23 am |
| circa Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:00:12 GMT, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, |{evin (You@dont.need) said,
> Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove that you have
> the experience. It's not something you study for, get certified, then
> go get a job to learn from. I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
> Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a row... got the
> tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took 216, 217, 219,
> and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible to _memorize_
> that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my cert means
> something because I did it based completely on experience.
>
Well put, and you're exactly the type of candidate who is the
appropriate audience for the exams.
Laura
--
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solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll
tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.
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| no that the Goddess has given her blessing you can go ahead and start the
exams.
"Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.18eb86a9ab2fb33998a453@msnews.microsoft.com...
> circa Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:00:12 GMT, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, |{evin (You@dont.need) said,
> > Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove that you have
> > the experience. It's not something you study for, get certified, then
> > go get a job to learn from. I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
> > Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a row... got the
> > tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took 216, 217, 219,
> > and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible to _memorize_
> > that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my cert means
> > something because I did it based completely on experience.
> >
> Well put, and you're exactly the type of candidate who is the
> appropriate audience for the exams.
>
> Laura
> --
> Any condescension detected in this post is fully unintentional and is
> solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll
> tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.
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| KLXrider 2003-03-26, 5:23 pm |
| On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:21:07 -0500, "Steve" <laurafan@bushysnatch.com>
wrote:
>no that the Goddess has given her blessing you can go ahead and start the
>exams.
wow dwight, you could at least have stuck with the same name. headers
don't change.
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| |{evin 2003-03-26, 7:23 pm |
| On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:21:07 -0500, "Steve" <laurafan@bushysnatch.com>
wrote:
>no that the Goddess has given her blessing you can go ahead and start the
>exams.
'Now' is the word you are grasping for.
Why would I want to start the exams, if you'd read (I know it's
difficult, but please try) my post, you would have seen that I've
_already_ taken and passed them all.
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| Don't end your sentences in prepositions Mr. English professor at Harvard.
dipstick.
"|{evin" <You@dont.need> wrote in message
news:7oj48vg8i4qfinfq85jq7aqsp
9ae8p9bk0@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:21:07 -0500, "Steve" <laurafan@bushysnatch.com>
> wrote:
>
> >no that the Goddess has given her blessing you can go ahead and start the
> >exams.
>
> 'Now' is the word you are grasping for.
>
> Why would I want to start the exams, if you'd read (I know it's
> difficult, but please try) my post, you would have seen that I've
> _already_ taken and passed them all.
>
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| |{evin 2003-03-26, 9:23 pm |
| On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:29:51 -0500, "Steve" <laurafan@bushysnatch.com>
wrote:
>Don't end your sentences in prepositions Mr. English professor at Harvard.
Hey, at least I capitalized the first letter of my sentence, and
properly spelled a 3 letter word. I never claimed to be an English
major. For the record, I had to take English 101 3 times when I was in
college. However, none of this changes the fact that you're still a
moron.
>dipstick.
Love the new signature.
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| Simon Geary 2003-03-26, 11:23 pm |
| I disagree with the notion of not using a book. People don't just read books
to study, they read them to learn. How would you fare if you were plonked in
front of an operating system you didn't know and told to get enough
experience with it to pass an exam? You couldn't do it. You would have to
read a book and learn how it works first.
You could apply the same dodgy logic to a Medical degree. That is supposed
to measure your competence as a physician but they need to bury their heads
in a book too.
Are you both claiming to never have used books to study or learn new things
about Windows?
"Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.18eb86a9ab2fb33998a453@msnews.microsoft.com...
> circa Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:00:12 GMT, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, |{evin (You@dont.need) said,
> > Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove that you have
> > the experience. It's not something you study for, get certified, then
> > go get a job to learn from. I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
> > Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a row... got the
> > tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took 216, 217, 219,
> > and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible to _memorize_
> > that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my cert means
> > something because I did it based completely on experience.
> >
> Well put, and you're exactly the type of candidate who is the
> appropriate audience for the exams.
>
> Laura
> --
> Any condescension detected in this post is fully unintentional and is
> solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll
> tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.
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| |{evin 2003-03-26, 11:23 pm |
| On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:49:46 +1100, "Simon Geary"
<simon_geary@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I disagree with the notion of not using a book. People don't just read books
>to study, they read them to learn. How would you fare if you were plonked in
>front of an operating system you didn't know and told to get enough
>experience with it to pass an exam? You couldn't do it. You would have to
>read a book and learn how it works first.
>You could apply the same dodgy logic to a Medical degree. That is supposed
>to measure your competence as a physician but they need to bury their heads
>in a book too.
>Are you both claiming to never have used books to study or learn new things
>about Windows?
I'm not saying I've never used a book. Books are good. I own several.
What I'm upset about are the books that say "here's what you need to
know to pass this test", not "here's what you need to know to have a
clue about the material".
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| Galileo 2003-03-27, 7:23 am |
| Steve wrote:
> Don't end your sentences in prepositions Mr. English professor at
> Harvard.
>
> dipstick.
That rule is complete bollocks:
http://www.grammartips.homestead.com/prepositions2.html
As Winston Churchill said:
"That is the sort of thing up with which I will not put!"
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| Laura A. Robinson 2003-03-27, 3:23 pm |
| circa Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:49:46 +1100, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Simon Geary
(simon_geary@hotmail.com) said,
> Are you both claiming to never have used books to study or learn new things
> about Windows?
>
Reading is fundamental:
From: "Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com>
Subject: Re: Sybex books
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:05:58 -0500
Message-ID: <MPG.18ebfc6080e7602798a461@msnews.microsoft.com>
circa Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:59:29 -0800, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Gary K (dabigfinndog@icqmail.com)
said,
> I'm working towards my MCSE and I have to say that some of the comments on
> this thread about those who are studying "books" are more than a little out
> of line.
>
There is nothing whatsoever wrong with reading books. I highly
encourage it. I just don't encourage it as one's *only* source of
information and experience.
Laura
--
Any condescension detected in this post is fully unintentional and is
solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll
tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.
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"Why even use a book? Certifications are meant to prove
that you have
the experience. It's not something you study for, get
certified, then
go get a job to learn from."
You must have read something, somewhere, either in a book
or off the monitor. The fact is, you had to read to obtain
the knowledge. What's the difference between reading it
from a book or the monitor? You, I suppose, plugged in and
downloaded all the information having to do with the OS
directly into your brain. Either that or you were born
with the knowledge? Also, I don't know of too many people
who can afford to just go buy 2k Server and a couple of
machines to set up a lab. Maybe those of you who
need "experience" can find a company to hire you without
any knowledge of the OS and that company will let you poke
around with their servers / network to obtain
this "experience". No? Not likely, you say? Well then, I
guess you are forced to pick up a book, and maybe even
take a class so you have a network to experiment with.
"I took 216 with *0* study time logged.
Actually, I took Net+, 210, 215, and 218 4 days in a
row... got the
tests reimbursed by my employer then went back and took
216, 217, 219,
and 220 all in the same week. Do you think it's possible
to _memorize_
that much information? My employer doesn't. They *know* my
cert means
something because I did it based completely on experience."
God forbid someone might be able to grasp the concepts
that took you years to learn from hands on experience by
reading a book, that might mean they're possibly as smart
or *gasp* smarter than you. I'm sure that you've
encountered every possible scenario from your experience
that Microsoft put into the test questions too. I also
took many exams (215, 216, 217, 218, and 219) in a short
time span (a week apart to be exact), but I wasn't
arrogant enough to think I knew everything I needed to
know to just waltz in and take the exam, and I've been
working as a jr. network admin. in a medium sized network
for 3 1/2 years.
To get back to the original post. I'm surprised the Sybex
study guide didn't help you at all. I failed the 216 test
the first time I attempted it, read the Sybex study guide
cover to cover, and breezed through it the second time
(comparatively speaking). I've read every Sybex study
guide and completed the exercises before taking the exams
and learned something each time. Maybe you didn't cover
the exercises completely / enough?
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| Laura A. Robinson 2003-03-27, 5:23 pm |
| circa Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:41:20 -0800, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Erik (eslam98@msn.com) said,
>
> God forbid someone might be able to grasp the concepts
> that took you years to learn from hands on experience by
> reading a book, that might mean they're possibly as smart
> or *gasp* smarter than you.
>
One *should* read books. One should also do hands-on.
Laura
--
Any condescension detected in this post is fully unintentional and is
solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll
tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.
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