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Do not take any MCSE exams
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| All of the exams questions have changed they are
irrelevent to what you will learn in a class room
setting. You are guaranteed to fail. The new questions
are for advanced users who have been doing this for 5
years. So if you are some one who did the 6 month MCSE
classes and used a 2000 server book, You will not
succeed. Most of the scenario's you will not find in a
book but over a 5 to 10 year span as troublshooting
warrants. I repeat do not take the new exams. It is
another scam brought to you by Microsoft and Prometric!
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| Larry Samuels MS-MVP XP \(Shell/User\) 2003-11-21, 4:23 pm |
| In other words--you have to know the material instead of memorizing
braindump questions..
Sounds like someone is bitter!
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Larry Samuels MS-MVP (Windows-Shell/User)
Associate Expert
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://home.earthlink.net/~larrysamuels/WS2003FAQ.htm
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Terry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> All of the exams questions have changed they are
> irrelevent to what you will learn in a class room
> setting. You are guaranteed to fail. The new questions
> are for advanced users who have been doing this for 5
> years. So if you are some one who did the 6 month MCSE
> classes and used a 2000 server book, You will not
> succeed. Most of the scenario's you will not find in a
> book but over a 5 to 10 year span as troublshooting
> warrants. I repeat do not take the new exams. It is
> another scam brought to you by Microsoft and Prometric!
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| Consultant 2003-11-21, 4:23 pm |
| terry, let me let you in on a little secret, stfu
"Terry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> All of the exams questions have changed they are
> irrelevent to what you will learn in a class room
> setting. You are guaranteed to fail. The new questions
> are for advanced users who have been doing this for 5
> years. So if you are some one who did the 6 month MCSE
> classes and used a 2000 server book, You will not
> succeed. Most of the scenario's you will not find in a
> book but over a 5 to 10 year span as troublshooting
> warrants. I repeat do not take the new exams. It is
> another scam brought to you by Microsoft and Prometric!
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| "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
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> terry, let me let you in on a little secret, stfu
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>
Speak up, man. I don't think he can hear you!
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| I'm not bitter, I paid 7,000 dollars to do the MCSE
classes, based on the exams questions it would have been
better spent on Cisco. I did these classes to get a job
not take the exams 10 years from now.
If your so good then go take one of the new exams.
The stuff that makes me bitter is that these Microsoft
training centers are not having to be re-certified!
as a result were not getting our money's worth.
What pisses me off is the fact none of the questions were
relevent to the 2000 server book nor the class it was
strickly for advanced users who has been in the field.
Not the ones who spend a year in class studying a
worthless book that has nothing to do with troubleshooting
exam questions, there is only so much you can learn in a
lab environment with a book and this will not be enough!
>-----Original Message-----
>terry, let me let you in on a little secret, stfu
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>"Terry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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| Ken Briscoe 2003-11-21, 4:23 pm |
| > terry, let me let you in on a little secret, stfu
Hahhahahahahaha! potd, as far as i'm concerned.
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KB - MCNGP #26
first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
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| Kline Sphere 2003-11-21, 5:23 pm |
| Looooooooooooooooooooooooooose
r!
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:20:12 -0800, "Terry"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>All of the exams questions have changed they are
>irrelevent to what you will learn in a class room
>setting. You are guaranteed to fail. The new questions
>are for advanced users who have been doing this for 5
>years. So if you are some one who did the 6 month MCSE
>classes and used a 2000 server book, You will not
>succeed. Most of the scenario's you will not find in a
>book but over a 5 to 10 year span as troublshooting
>warrants. I repeat do not take the new exams. It is
>another scam brought to you by Microsoft and Prometric!
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| Larry Samuels MS-MVP XP \(Shell/User\) 2003-11-21, 5:23 pm |
| I took one of the betas yesterday, one last week, and one the last week of
September. They seemed fair to me.
The SBS exam was a little rough, but only because I am very weak in Exchange
support (and I know it).
If you know the material being covered a little common sense will get you
through some of the tougher questions.Read the questions
CAREFULLY--misunderstanding a single word can trip you up.
If you aren't sure,mark the question for review and keep going--in many
cases a later question will trip your memory and allow you to go back and
answer the one you were stuck on.
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Larry Samuels MS-MVP (Windows-Shell/User)
Associate Expert
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://home.earthlink.net/~larrysamuels/WS2003FAQ.htm
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not bitter, I paid 7,000 dollars to do the MCSE
> classes, based on the exams questions it would have been
> better spent on Cisco. I did these classes to get a job
> not take the exams 10 years from now.
> If your so good then go take one of the new exams.
> The stuff that makes me bitter is that these Microsoft
> training centers are not having to be re-certified!
> as a result were not getting our money's worth.
> What pisses me off is the fact none of the questions were
> relevent to the 2000 server book nor the class it was
> strickly for advanced users who has been in the field.
> Not the ones who spend a year in class studying a
> worthless book that has nothing to do with troubleshooting
> exam questions, there is only so much you can learn in a
> lab environment with a book and this will not be enough!
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| Ken Briscoe 2003-11-21, 5:23 pm |
| > I'm not bitter,
> The stuff that makes me bitter
You make an interesting point.
Also, you have no idea what the MCSE is all about. It is not for people to
spend a year in class then take the tests. It is for IT professionals who
have experience. Class-time is a good thing, but experience is better. You
should march up to your school and give them an earful and demand some
money back, for misleading you about what the MCSE certification actually
is.
BTW, do you have 7 grand I could borrow?
--
KB - MCNGP #26
first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
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| Consultant 2003-11-21, 5:24 pm |
| oh sorry, SHUT THE XXXX UP
"JaR" <plente@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
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> "Consultant" < consultant_mcngp_removepants@y
ahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Speak up, man. I don't think he can hear you!
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| CheeseBurger 2003-11-21, 6:23 pm |
| WOW 7k, damn thats alot of money..
Let me guess, was it a 2 week course?
Did you get 14 test coupons?
Was it a braindump BOOTCAMP?
And you still didn't pass...
lol
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Cheeseburger MCSE+M
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not bitter, I paid 7,000 dollars to do the MCSE
> classes, based on the exams questions it would have been
> better spent on Cisco. I did these classes to get a job
> not take the exams 10 years from now.
> If your so good then go take one of the new exams.
> The stuff that makes me bitter is that these Microsoft
> training centers are not having to be re-certified!
> as a result were not getting our money's worth.
> What pisses me off is the fact none of the questions were
> relevent to the 2000 server book nor the class it was
> strickly for advanced users who has been in the field.
> Not the ones who spend a year in class studying a
> worthless book that has nothing to do with troubleshooting
> exam questions, there is only so much you can learn in a
> lab environment with a book and this will not be enough!
> message
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| regardless of where he studied... he was given the wrong impression... a
REPUTABLE school will not teach you the material to PASS an exam but the
tools to succeed in the field... the training required to do a job. The
certs should have nothing to do training received whatsoever! If you go
back to the school (unless it is a bootcamp) and ask them their mandate for
training they will tell you that they train you for real life, not some
exam.
"CheeseBurger" <Cheese@Burger.com> wrote in message
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> WOW 7k, damn thats alot of money..
> Let me guess, was it a 2 week course?
> Did you get 14 test coupons?
> Was it a braindump BOOTCAMP?
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> And you still didn't pass...
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> lol
> --
> Cheeseburger MCSE+M
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> <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Kendal Emery 2003-11-21, 7:23 pm |
| > I'm not bitter, I paid 7,000 dollars to do the MCSE
> classes, based on the exams questions it would have been
> better spent on Cisco. I did these classes to get a job
> not take the exams 10 years from now.
I am a little bit confused as to why you think that classes would be nough
when microsoft recommends....
Who should become certified as an MCSE on Windows 2000?
A. The MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 credential is appropriate for
IT professionals working in the typically complex computing environment of
medium-to-large organizations. We recommend that an MCSE on Windows 2000
have at least one year of experience implementing and administering a
network operating system.
So youwant to bypass the experience, take a class, and think that makes you
good enough????
True, the school should have told you this, but ultimately, it should be up
to you to make sure of what is necessary to complete the job...
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Kendal R. Emery, MCSE, Network+, A+, MCNGP #19
Systems Administrator
Coordinated Home Care
kemery@coordinatedhomec
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| Someone to finally state where most of the 'training facilites' failure is.
Many choosing to get their certifications ARE mis-led by the schools,
especially when they tell students that they provide outplacement services
too..they cannot guarantee you a job. We're in a get it now world, you can
get every certification there is and still not be able to do the job.
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> regardless of where he studied... he was given the wrong impression... a
> REPUTABLE school will not teach you the material to PASS an exam but the
> tools to succeed in the field... the training required to do a job. The
> certs should have nothing to do training received whatsoever! If you go
> back to the school (unless it is a bootcamp) and ask them their mandate
for
> training they will tell you that they train you for real life, not some
> exam.
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> "CheeseBurger" <Cheese@Burger.com> wrote in message
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"Bryan" <musercat@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Someone to finally state where most of the 'training facilites' failure
is.
> Many choosing to get their certifications ARE mis-led by the schools,
> especially when they tell students that they provide outplacement services
> too..they cannot guarantee you a job.
I heard about this a couple of years ago while in training. It was just
after our CCNA course and one of the students failed the exam (not a
difficult one if you ask me) and bitched and moaned the same way. That was
when the school pointed out it is not in the business to just get you
certified but to give you a well rounded education (as they worded it).
Sure, the certification exam fees were added into the tuition and provided
us with text books (text, workbook and Exam Cram) for each course but the
onus is on the student to get everything else they would need for the
certification part. I bought a few extra books myself when I found the text
book provided left a bit to be desired. I passed the course with no
problems... and got certified... MCSE, MCSA+M, CCNA, CNA and A+... all with
the help of the training, my past experiences, additional text books,
additional practice, asking lots of questions (I'm one of those "Need to
know why" people), and hours of studying on the side (as a single mom I
might add). All these factors allowed me to pass with a respectable grade
(85% overall) and my certifications. I am not saying I am perfect but I
also realized where the training would fail me in certain areas and where I
needed additional assistance to get where I wanted to be.
As for the job aspect? My college never guaranteed me a job... they stated
they will give you all the tools and training you would need to succeed
(Including resume writing, interview skills, and of course the material).
Getting the job was on the student... So here I sit, with no job but I
havent given up (I gave up a job a few months ago to move back home close to
family so that is my decision). The only thing my college did give me was
on the job training for 1 month to get exposure.
But it is also up to the student to ask questions... what will this training
give me? what is the mandate of the school? When choosing a
college/training facility, you need to do some research... not just pick the
one that promises you the moon. So I blame the students as well... there is
no quick fix or quick certify and then straight into the perfect job. It
does not happen like that in the real world! Any program you take in a
school is like this... you need to see where it will take you... but most
importantly, you need to see which one will get you pointed in the right
direction of where you want to be... you need to choose one that will assist
you... not do the job for you. Any school can promise you will find a
job... working at McDonald's is a job... and it qualifies. You have a
job... just not the job you wanted/needed/desired. That requires work on
the student part. Does anyone think that letting the college put you in a
certain job is the job that was meant for you? Or does the student need to
find their own dream job? Finding a dream job can take years... of hard
work, dedication, further training, loyalty and hundreds of other factors...
what it boils down to is this... If you dont do your research, then don't
XXXXX about the training you did get... you get what you get... if you want
better, find better... and in a lot of cases, that may mean paying more. I
paid $21,000 CDN for my training... seems a little high but it included 2 -
3 $100 text books each month, lab access, instructor led courses, training
materials, software/hardware usage, certification costs, exams and quizzes.
To me, it was worth the extra $$'s to get me where I am today... well
trained and ready for bigger and better things... now it is up to me to put
that to good use and find an employer who is looking for someone like me! I
spend hours each day reading newspapers and going online researching
companies and websites to find jobs. Heck, I even went through the phone
book!
So here is my question to the original poster, Terry... Were you looking to
get certified only? Or were you looking to learn a new trade/skill to find
a job and perform it well?
Sorry for the long winded dialog but I was annoyed at this guys complaints
.... DO something about it! Get new books! Get assistance! Go to another
school! Just do what you need to do to get you where you need to go but
stop expecting others to do it for you!
Sue
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| Jeff Rush 2003-11-21, 8:23 pm |
| Hello...
Lets see they are basing the tests on having 10 years Exp. in Windows 2003?
Think about what you are saying... Even with Windows 2000 (It's almost
2004), the only way you could possibly have 5 years of exp. with this is if
you were on the EARLY beta..
I have 5-10 years in the field and that gives me squat for how 2003's menu
structure hides DHCP entries or the changes to the AD for that matter...
Yes I'll have to study and work with the product to pass the test and IF I
DO THAT WELL ENOUGH, I should be able to pass the test if I know what I'm
talking about.
Admit it you posted this just to piss people off and discredit the MCSE and
Certification Process. If you are planning on using braindumps and not
TRAINING on the subject then you were screwed to begin with...
Happy Hollidays,
Jeff
"Terry" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> All of the exams questions have changed they are
> irrelevent to what you will learn in a class room
> setting. You are guaranteed to fail. The new questions
> are for advanced users who have been doing this for 5
> years. So if you are some one who did the 6 month MCSE
> classes and used a 2000 server book, You will not
> succeed. Most of the scenario's you will not find in a
> book but over a 5 to 10 year span as troublshooting
> warrants. I repeat do not take the new exams. It is
> another scam brought to you by Microsoft and Prometric!
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| It sounds to me that this complainer is one of those guys
who thinks that he can go to school for a year, take pass
a certification exam - based on that one year of training -
and then is owed a job by getting the certification.
The cert is not designed that way, it is to validate
someone with at least a yea of experience, which you have
nill after school.
Just another paper-mcse wanna be who thinks the world owes
him something, when it was an unscrupolous school that
beat him for his money.
>-----Original Message-----
>Hello...
>Lets see they are basing the tests on having 10 years
Exp. in Windows 2003?
>Think about what you are saying... Even with Windows
2000 (It's almost
>2004), the only way you could possibly have 5 years of
exp. with this is if
>you were on the EARLY beta..
>
>I have 5-10 years in the field and that gives me squat
for how 2003's menu
>structure hides DHCP entries or the changes to the AD for
that matter...
>
>Yes I'll have to study and work with the product to pass
the test and IF I
>DO THAT WELL ENOUGH, I should be able to pass the test if
I know what I'm
>talking about.
>
>Admit it you posted this just to piss people off and
discredit the MCSE and
>Certification Process. If you are planning on using
BRAINDUMPS and not
>TRAINING on the subject then you were screwed to begin
with...
>
>Happy Hollidays,
>
>Jeff
>
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