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| dbazan 2002-07-10, 6:25 pm |
| I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
direction.
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| SlipStream 2002-07-10, 8:25 pm |
| boot camps are useless, they cram everything in your head and then u pass
the test then forget it. If you want to be a paper MCSE, this is the best
way to go.
"dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
> right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
> direction.
>
>
| |
| Raphael Norberg 2002-07-10, 10:25 pm |
| if you need a boot camp or a "school" to pass the MCSE tests, you should
reconsider your career. perhaps digging trenches would be more appropriate.
Rnorberg
"dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
> right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
> direction.
>
>
| |
| Darwin Fisk 2002-07-11, 12:25 am |
| I disagree with the others on this question - if you have extensive
experience in the field already. I have 20 years of working on PCs, have
been working with networks since 1985, have installed, configured, and
maintined Windows 200 / NT networks and workstations, but my bootcamp
experience was invaluable.
Even with extensive experience no one "knows it all". The bootcamp exposed
me to aspects of engineering that I hadn't had opportunity to work with
before. Perhaps more importantly, it introduced me to the techniques
Microsoft uses to "trip you up" on questions. Quite often when you analyze
the question closely you don't even need to look at the exhibit. Much
information is included in questions just to "throw you off". I'm not
saying that these testing techniques are unfair. It's just that even with
extensive experience my first attempt at a Microsoft certification test
would have been from a very naive perspective. The bootcamp also helped me
to focus on those objectives within the test taht I had not had exposure to
within my career.
I agree that if you do not have real world experience and you approach a
bootcamp with a "I'm gonna memorize this" attitude, it's the wrong way to
go. If you have the experience, and you use the bootcamp to understand the
format of the tests and round out your knowledge on the more obscure
objectives, they serve a good purpose.
Just my opinion,
DAF
"dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
> right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
> direction.
>
>
| |
| Ben Smith [MS] 2002-07-11, 8:25 am |
| In article <eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13>, dbazan
(dbazan@valverde.edu) writes...
> I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
> right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
> direction.
>
>
>
See the post I made in the certification grouo last week on choosing
a training provider.
--
Ben Smith
Microsoft Training and Certification
Are you secure? http://www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided “AS IS” with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-11, 9:25 am |
|
"dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
> right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
> direction.
Ignore the people who immediately rubbish Boot camps. You can guarantee
they actually have no Boot Camp experience and are no position to hold
a worthwhile view on them.
Tell us a bit about yourself and your IT experience, then I can offer you
some useful input on Boot Camps as some one who has real Boot
Camp experience.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| diamondDan 2002-07-11, 9:25 am |
| In article <agk4md$pjb$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, _Mike_ decided to open his
mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
>
> "dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
> news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> > I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
> > right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
> > direction.
>
> Ignore the people who immediately rubbish Boot camps. You can guarantee
> they actually have no Boot Camp experience and are no position to hold
> a worthwhile view on them.
>
> Tell us a bit about yourself and your IT experience, then I can offer you
> some useful input on Boot Camps as some one who has real Boot
> Camp experience.
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
>
Even though I have never attended a Boot Camp, I have read detailed
articles in review of those who have attended them and have had work
related dealings with attendees of such programs. Sure, they help you
pass your MCSE, but they leave you with little real lasting experience.
They also leave you asking entry level questions, such as this one below
posted by Mike, a self proclaimed Boot Camp success story:
Hi,
Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer when you right click
on the Start Button?
Cheers
Mike
| |
| Don Julio 2002-07-11, 9:25 am |
|
> They also leave you asking entry level questions, such as this one below
> posted by Mike, a self proclaimed Boot Camp success story:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer when you right click
> on the Start Button?
>
> Cheers
> Mike
Ouch!
| |
| =mëanoldman= 2002-07-11, 9:25 am |
| lmao!
--
http://www.mcngp.tk
"diamondDan" <diamondDan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
news:MPG.179767837cd1f8b989686@news.microsoft.com...
> In article <agk4md$pjb$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, _Mike_ decided to open his
> mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
>
> >
> > "dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
> > news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> > > I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is
the[c
olor=darkred]
> > > right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the[/color]
right
> > > direction.
> >
> > Ignore the people who immediately rubbish Boot camps. You can guarantee
> > they actually have no Boot Camp experience and are no position to hold
> > a worthwhile view on them.
> >
> > Tell us a bit about yourself and your IT experience, then I can offer
you
> > some useful input on Boot Camps as some one who has real Boot
> > Camp experience.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
> Even though I have never attended a Boot Camp, I have read detailed
> articles in review of those who have attended them and have had work
> related dealings with attendees of such programs. Sure, they help you
> pass your MCSE, but they leave you with little real lasting experience.
>
> They also leave you asking entry level questions, such as this one below
> posted by Mike, a self proclaimed Boot Camp success story:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer when you right click
> on the Start Button?
>
> Cheers
> Mike
| |
| S. O'Brien 2002-07-11, 10:25 am |
| Xref: tkmsftngp01 microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse:59682
nice catch lol
"diamondDan" <diamondDan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
news:MPG.179767837cd1f8b989686@news.microsoft.com...
> In article <agk4md$pjb$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, _Mike_ decided to open his
> mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
>
> >
> > "dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
> > news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> > > I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is
the[c
olor=darkred]
> > > right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the[/color]
right
> > > direction.
> >
> > Ignore the people who immediately rubbish Boot camps. You can guarantee
> > they actually have no Boot Camp experience and are no position to hold
> > a worthwhile view on them.
> >
> > Tell us a bit about yourself and your IT experience, then I can offer
you
> > some useful input on Boot Camps as some one who has real Boot
> > Camp experience.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
> Even though I have never attended a Boot Camp, I have read detailed
> articles in review of those who have attended them and have had work
> related dealings with attendees of such programs. Sure, they help you
> pass your MCSE, but they leave you with little real lasting experience.
>
> They also leave you asking entry level questions, such as this one below
> posted by Mike, a self proclaimed Boot Camp success story:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer when you right click
> on the Start Button?
>
> Cheers
> Mike
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-11, 4:25 pm |
| It is very easy to claim to be this boffin that knows everything and
to have all your cronies following suite, but I note you have not
been able to offer a solution.
Cheers
Mike
"diamondDan" <diamondDan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> Even though I have never attended a Boot Camp, I have read detailed
> articles in review of those who have attended them and have had work
> related dealings with attendees of such programs. Sure, they help you
> pass your MCSE, but they leave you with little real lasting experience.
>
> They also leave you asking entry level questions, such as this one below
> posted by Mike, a self proclaimed Boot Camp success story:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer when you right click
> on the Start Button?
>
> Cheers
> Mike
| |
| S. O'Brien 2002-07-11, 4:25 pm |
| Xref: tkmsftngp01 microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse:59797
I'm staying out of the conversation... last time we talked about this, you
did not even understand the meaning of "not agree" vs. hate...
but to the original post... my suggestion would be to really investigate
these camps but also look at alternatives.. and compare. Then make an
educated decision that is best for you at that time.
Personally I would not advise a boot camp but that is your decision to make,
not mine.
Based on the research I have done in the last little while about these
bootcamps, these camps are definitely not for beginners to the field.
Best advice I can give ... make your own decision... dont let people here
convince you of either way to approach this.
_Mike_ said:
"Ignore the people who immediately rubbish Boot camps. You can guarantee
they actually have no Boot Camp experience and are no position to hold a
worthwhile view on them."
Oh and BTW _Mike_... telling him not to listen to us just because we havent
gone is just plain stupid!! We chose not to go that route for various
reasons. Do NOT assume that these were not educated decisions nor that we
know nothing about boot camps. We may not know EXACTLY what happens behind
closed doors but we HAVE read documents for others who have attended these
camps... other documents from the camps themselves... investigative
documentation comparing college/university/bootcamps/self-study... etc etc.
You need to pay attention to the facts around you... just because you went
to these camps does NOT make you right or more knowledgeable than the rest
of us.
"_Mike_" <no_@spam.com> wrote in message
news:eALwCESKCHA.1696@tkmsftngp09...
> It is very easy to claim to be this boffin that knows everything and
> to have all your cronies following suite, but I note you have not
> been able to offer a solution.
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
> "diamondDan" <diamondDan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
>
> > Even though I have never attended a Boot Camp, I have read detailed
> > articles in review of those who have attended them and have had work
> > related dealings with attendees of such programs. Sure, they help you
> > pass your MCSE, but they leave you with little real lasting experience.
> >
> > They also leave you asking entry level questions, such as this one below
> > posted by Mike, a self proclaimed Boot Camp success story:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer when you right click
> > on the Start Button?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mike
>
>
| |
| Danny Costa 2002-07-12, 3:25 am |
| As a Boot Camp attendee, I can say that nearly all posts here are somewhat
off the mark, esp those rubbishing them.
They DONT cram stuff in just to pass the exam. The one I did had many weeks
of self study before attending the actual camp weeks, which is really just a
light-on revision just to check you know stuff.
I found the reading material provided was a bit light, so I needed to go
find other sources for information, such as Technet, on-line Help u. W2K
Server and W2K Res Kit.
Once you're pretty well studied, you should pass the exams with or without
the bootcamp weeks. I personally wouldn't go the boot camp route having
done it. It was too expensive & I reckon I could have done it cheaper
buying known good books such as Sybex at al and Trannies.
cheers
Danny
"dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
> right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
> direction.
>
>
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-12, 5:25 am |
| "S. O'Brien" <brian@(nospam)mgncp.tk> wrote in message
news:d_mX8.4$7vA.3@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> I'm staying out of the conversation...
I am not the gifted person with a high IQ, but certainly seems to me
that are is the exact opposite of 'staying out of the conversation'
> Oh and BTW _Mike_... telling him not to listen to us just because we
havent
> gone is just plain stupid!! We chose not to go that route for various
> reasons. Do NOT assume that these were not educated decisions nor that we
> know nothing about boot camps. We may not know EXACTLY what happens
behind
> closed doors but we HAVE read documents for others who have attended these
> camps... other documents from the camps themselves... investigative
> documentation comparing college/university/bootcamps/self-study... etc
etc.
> You need to pay attention to the facts around you... just because you went
> to these camps does NOT make you right or more knowledgeable than the rest
> of us.
I am sure that most people (except maybe the so called gifted
super intelligent like yourself) will see the value in judging
the worth of Boot camps from those who have actually
experienced them, over those who have read documents.
You will note my advice was that poster tell us about himself
and his experience, one cannot offer constructive advice
without knowing this. It is only the so-called experts who
have read about boot camps that immediately jumped in and
advised against them even though their was no where near enough
information to be giving any advice at all. So I stick to my
original advice, ignore the rubbish about people who claim
to know it all without getting any pertinent facts, who can
rubbish boot camps just because they have read about them.
Decide for yourself if the cap fits, you do have super high
IQ after all.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| diamondÐan 2002-07-12, 6:25 am |
| In article <eALwCESKCHA.1696@tkmsftngp09>, _Mike_ decided to open his
mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
> It is very easy to claim to be this boffin that knows everything and
> to have all your cronies following suite, but I note you have not
> been able to offer a solution.
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
There are reasons why I have not tendered a solution.
The main reason is due to the #1 step in troubleshooting a problem:
Recreate the problem. I use Windows 2000 Server and Windows XP
Professional and I have not been able to recreate your problem. Your
query shows a marked lack of detail as to what OS version you are using
and what steps, if any, you have tried to gain resolution thus far. Due
to lack of sufficient information and inability to recreate the problem
on my end, I cannot successfully troubleshoot your problem.
A secondary reason that I am disinclined to answer your problem is your
attitude and purported skill as a network administrator. If I recall
correctly you are an MCP (x6) and have made no bones about defending the
validity of boot camps as a viable training alternative. Your asking
such a simple question bespeaks your true skill level, that of a
"slightly advanced end user".
Even if you do not have the Windows administration skills, you should at
least know how to use the Internet and especially Microsoft's web site
to find a solution to your problem. I am NOT going to post a link to
Technet or to a Knowledgebase article for a person asking simple desktop
configuration problems who is already an MCSE (or close to it). Learn
how to solve these problems yourself with the resources available. If
you can't, then you have no business being a 'certified network
professional'.
> "diamondDan" <diamondDan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
>
> > Even though I have never attended a Boot Camp, I have read detailed
> > articles in review of those who have attended them and have had work
> > related dealings with attendees of such programs. Sure, they help you
> > pass your MCSE, but they leave you with little real lasting experience.
> >
> > They also leave you asking entry level questions, such as this one below
> > posted by Mike, a self proclaimed Boot Camp success story:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer when you right click
> > on the Start Button?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mike
>
>
>
| |
|
| > As a Boot Camp attendee, I can say that nearly all posts here are somewhat
> off the mark, esp those rubbishing them.
> They DONT cram stuff in just to pass the exam. The one I did had many
weeks
> of self study before attending the actual camp weeks, which is really just
a
> light-on revision just to check you know stuff.
>
> I found the reading material provided was a bit light, so I needed to go
> find other sources for information, such as Technet, on-line Help u. W2K
> Server and W2K Res Kit.
>
> Once you're pretty well studied, you should pass the exams with or without
> the bootcamp weeks. I personally wouldn't go the boot camp route having
> done it. It was too expensive & I reckon I could have done it cheaper
> buying known good books such as Sybex at al and Trannies.
You shoot down your own argument with the points people are trying to make
here.
> Once you're pretty well studied, you should pass the exams with or without
> the bootcamp weeks.
Pay attention.
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-13, 12:25 pm |
| "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> There are reasons why I have not tendered a solution.
>
> The main reason is due to the #1 step in troubleshooting a problem:
> Recreate the problem. I use Windows 2000 Server and Windows XP
> Professional and I have not been able to recreate your problem.
You cannot right click on the start button and see a shortcut to
explorer.exe ?
> Your
> query shows a marked lack of detail as to what OS version you are using
> and what steps, if any, you have tried to gain resolution thus far.
I simply asked if people know of ways to disable this shortcut
from showing, I was not looking at specific OS versions so they
are not mentioned, if your are so good, I would thought you could
comprehend this.
> Due
> to lack of sufficient information and inability to recreate the problem
> on my end, I cannot successfully troubleshoot your problem.
What is there to trouble shoot? Are you saying you do not know how
to right click on the start button? No need for me to be OS specific
because this is not an issue specific to any one OS.
If you have no idea of ways one can disable this, just say so, I am
sure no one is going to hold it against you.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| Cryss UT 2002-07-15, 3:25 am |
| Well said. I agree completely.
I got my MCSE after attending a Bootcamp - oh, and seven years experience as
a network administrator / controller.....
The Bootcamp provided for organised self study beforehand followed by
classroom study in an appropriate environment *away from work*. As anybody
in my position will tell you, this is crucial.
Sure, I don't know everything. I don't even know how to remove the Explorer
shortcut as a right click option on the start button.
But I sure _can_ keep my company's IT services running.
"Darwin Fisk" <darwin@dotnetdesigns.com> wrote in message
news:Ot7vu#JKCHA.2568@tkmsftngp09...
> I disagree with the others on this question - if you have extensive
> experience in the field already. I have 20 years of working on PCs, have
> been working with networks since 1985, have installed, configured, and
> maintined Windows 200 / NT networks and workstations, but my bootcamp
> experience was invaluable.
>
> Even with extensive experience no one "knows it all". The bootcamp
exposed
> me to aspects of engineering that I hadn't had opportunity to work with
> before. Perhaps more importantly, it introduced me to the techniques
> Microsoft uses to "trip you up" on questions. Quite often when you
analyze
> the question closely you don't even need to look at the exhibit. Much
> information is included in questions just to "throw you off". I'm not
> saying that these testing techniques are unfair. It's just that even with
> extensive experience my first attempt at a Microsoft certification test
> would have been from a very naive perspective. The bootcamp also helped
me
> to focus on those objectives within the test taht I had not had exposure
to
> within my career.
>
> I agree that if you do not have real world experience and you approach a
> bootcamp with a "I'm gonna memorize this" attitude, it's the wrong way to
> go. If you have the experience, and you use the bootcamp to understand
the
> format of the tests and round out your knowledge on the more obscure
> objectives, they serve a good purpose.
>
> Just my opinion,
> DAF
> "dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
> news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> > I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is
the
> > right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the
right
> > direction.
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-15, 4:25 am |
|
"Cryss UT" <jfb2908@hottmail.com> wrote in message
news:uLH0F#9KCHA.1744@tkmsftngp13...
> Well said. I agree completely.
>
> I got my MCSE after attending a Bootcamp - oh, and seven years experience
as
> a network administrator / controller.....
>
> The Bootcamp provided for organised self study beforehand followed by
> classroom study in an appropriate environment *away from work*. As
anybody
> in my position will tell you, this is crucial.
>
> Sure, I don't know everything
Beware of two types of people, those that know everything and those
that think they know everything.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| diamondÐan 2002-07-15, 7:25 am |
| In article <uC9iQJpKCHA.2500@tkmsftngp11>, _Mike_ decided to open his
mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
> "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
>
> > There are reasons why I have not tendered a solution.
> >
> > The main reason is due to the #1 step in troubleshooting a problem:
> > Recreate the problem. I use Windows 2000 Server and Windows XP
> > Professional and I have not been able to recreate your problem.
>
> You cannot right click on the start button and see a shortcut to
> explorer.exe ?
Correct, using Win2K Server and WinXP Professional, right-clicking on
the start button shows no shortcut to "explorer.exe". What OS are you
using? I have not used Windows 98 for over a year and Windows ME for
over 2 years. In my opinion, they are both junk.
> > Your
> > query shows a marked lack of detail as to what OS version you are using
> > and what steps, if any, you have tried to gain resolution thus far.
>
> I simply asked if people know of ways to disable this shortcut
> from showing, I was not looking at specific OS versions so they
> are not mentioned, if your are so good, I would thought you could
> comprehend this.
When asking questions to a forum for answers, it is best to include as
much information as you know. If you get some responses that are sincere
in helping you out, you will find their first posts are typically asking
for more information that was not included on your original post.
> > Due
> > to lack of sufficient information and inability to recreate the problem
> > on my end, I cannot successfully troubleshoot your problem.
>
> What is there to trouble shoot? Are you saying you do not know how
> to right click on the start button? No need for me to be OS specific
> because this is not an issue specific to any one OS.
Apparently it is an OS specific issue due to the reasons I entailed
above!
> If you have no idea of ways one can disable this, just say so, I am
> sure no one is going to hold it against you.
Since I cannot even make the "problem" appear...yes, I admit that I am
unable to make it disappear! If you are unable to get resolution to this
issue yet, I would suggest spending some time on Micrsoft's Knowledge
Base or TechNet. Their article storehouse is quite large and will likely
offer the solution you need.
Another help, though not to this specific issue, would be to download
Microsoft's TweakUI utility. If gives you a great deal of control over
the User Interface that normally would need to be done via the registry.
Good Luck.
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
>
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-15, 8:25 am |
| "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
news:MPG.179c8dc052e218ca9896bb@news.microsoft.com...
[colo
r=darkred]
> > > The main reason is due to the #1 step in troubleshooting a problem:
> > > Recreate the problem. I use Windows 2000 Server and Windows XP
> > > Professional and I have not been able to recreate your problem.
> >
> > You cannot right click on the start button and see a shortcut to
> > explorer.exe ?
>
> Correct, using Win2K Server and WinXP Professional, right-clicking on
> the start button shows no shortcut to "explorer.exe". What OS are you
> using? I have not used Windows 98 for over a year and Windows ME for
> over 2 years. In my opinion, they are both junk.[/color]
Just tested again on Win2K advanced server and Pro & WinXP Pro
(corporate select version) and all allow you to right click on start
and display a short menu with one of the options being an option to
fire up Explorer, perhaps this is Nationality differerence? I have never
used a USA version of MS products, this however is consistent
throughout Europe. It never occured to me that the USA version might
be different.
I have not used Win9X for quite some time but I know NT4 workstation
and Server also have this feature.
> Since I cannot even make the "problem" appear...yes, I admit that I am
> unable to make it disappear! If you are unable to get resolution to this
> issue yet, I would suggest spending some time on Micrsoft's Knowledge
> Base or TechNet. Their article storehouse is quite large and will likely
> offer the solution you need.
Already tried that, believe it or not, I do actually have a slight clue
as to what I am doing.
> Another help, though not to this specific issue, would be to download
> Microsoft's TweakUI utility. If gives you a great deal of control over
> the User Interface that normally would need to be done via the registry.
Not something I would want to roll out to users, I was hoping it was
somethign that could be disabled via policy (NT4 or Win2K), reg
setting or even a simple short cut in a folder I was unaware of.
I have attached a small 11K jpg of a screen capture on my workstation
Win2K Pro as evidence :-)
Cheers
Mike
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| |
| diamondÐan 2002-07-15, 9:25 am |
| In article <agul8j$fim$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, _Mike_ decided to open his
mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
> "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.179c8dc052e218ca9896bb@news.microsoft.com...
>
> > > > The main reason is due to the #1 step in troubleshooting a problem:
> > > > Recreate the problem. I use Windows 2000 Server and Windows XP
> > > > Professional and I have not been able to recreate your problem.
> > >
> > > You cannot right click on the start button and see a shortcut to
> > > explorer.exe ?
> >
> > Correct, using Win2K Server and WinXP Professional, right-clicking on
> > the start button shows no shortcut to "explorer.exe". What OS are you
> > using? I have not used Windows 98 for over a year and Windows ME for
> > over 2 years. In my opinion, they are both junk.
>
> Just tested again on Win2K advanced server and Pro & WinXP Pro
> (corporate select version) and all allow you to right click on start
> and display a short menu with one of the options being an option to
> fire up Explorer, perhaps this is Nationality differerence? I have never
> used a USA version of MS products, this however is consistent
> throughout Europe. It never occured to me that the USA version might
> be different.
>
<snip>
> I have attached a small 11K jpg of a screen capture on my workstation
> Win2K Pro as evidence :-)
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
Oh, THAT menu item. Explore vs. Explorer.exe, there is a difference!
Here's your answer: http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/654/
BTW - lousy screen colors, Mike. :-)
And who says that I'm not helpful...solved problem and offered desktop
fashion advice!
| |
| 70-228 2002-07-15, 9:25 am |
| "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> Correct, using Win2K Server and WinXP Professional, right-clicking on
> the start button shows no shortcut to "explorer.exe". What OS are you
> using? I have not used Windows 98 for over a year and Windows ME for
> over 2 years. In my opinion, they are both junk.
Are you blind? Try looking under "Open" you should see a litttle bit of text
"Explore". And Mike is right. It's on every OS that has a Start button.
Unless of course your administrator has removed it.
> When asking questions to a forum for answers, it is best to include as
> much information as you know. If you get some responses that are sincere
> in helping you out, you will find their first posts are typically asking
> for more information that was not included on your original post.
He included every piece of information anyone would ever need.
> Apparently it is an OS specific issue due to the reasons I entailed
> above!
No it's not.....
> Another help, though not to this specific issue, would be to download
> Microsoft's TweakUI utility. If gives you a great deal of control over
> the User Interface that normally would need to be done via the registry.
Doesn't do the job I am afraid.
Find
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\sh
ell
and rename it
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\sh
ell.old
Also find
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell
and rename it
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell
.old
This should kill Explore. It should also take out Open and Find (Search) too
so you may want to do a bit of experimentation to see what does what. Hope
this helps.
PS. If you fry your PC with this then it's your problem not mine. You have
been warned.
| |
| diamondÐan 2002-07-15, 9:25 am |
| In article <49BY8.318209$8S6.50527@news.easynews.com>, 70-228 decided to
open his mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
> "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> > Correct, using Win2K Server and WinXP Professional, right-clicking on
> > the start button shows no shortcut to "explorer.exe". What OS are you
> > using? I have not used Windows 98 for over a year and Windows ME for
> > over 2 years. In my opinion, they are both junk.
>
> Are you blind? Try looking under "Open" you should see a litttle bit of text
> "Explore". And Mike is right. It's on every OS that has a Start button.
> Unless of course your administrator has removed it.
>
Nope, just detail oriented. Check out my reply previously in this
thread.
> > When asking questions to a forum for answers, it is best to include as
> > much information as you know. If you get some responses that are sincere
> > in helping you out, you will find their first posts are typically asking
> > for more information that was not included on your original post.
>
> He included every piece of information anyone would ever need.
>
> > Apparently it is an OS specific issue due to the reasons I entailed
> > above!
>
> No it's not.....
>
> > Another help, though not to this specific issue, would be to download
> > Microsoft's TweakUI utility. If gives you a great deal of control over
> > the User Interface that normally would need to be done via the registry.
>
> Doesn't do the job I am afraid.
As I said...though not to this specific issue. I offered the link to the
question he asked in a previous post.
<snip>
| |
| 70-228 2002-07-15, 10:25 am |
| Re-sending as this didn't appear to arrive the first time.
"diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> Correct, using Win2K Server and WinXP Professional, right-clicking on
> the start button shows no shortcut to "explorer.exe". What OS are you
> using? I have not used Windows 98 for over a year and Windows ME for
> over 2 years. In my opinion, they are both junk.
Are you blind? Try looking under "Open" you should see a litttle bit of text
"Explore". And Mike is right. It's on every OS that has a Start button.
Unless of course your administrator has removed it.
> When asking questions to a forum for answers, it is best to include as
> much information as you know. If you get some responses that are sincere
> in helping you out, you will find their first posts are typically asking
> for more information that was not included on your original post.
He included every piece of information anyone would ever need.
> Apparently it is an OS specific issue due to the reasons I entailed
> above!
No it's not.....
> Another help, though not to this specific issue, would be to download
> Microsoft's TweakUI utility. If gives you a great deal of control over
> the User Interface that normally would need to be done via the registry.
Doesn't do the job I am afraid.
Find
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\sh
ell
and rename it
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\sh
ell.old
Also find
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell
and rename it
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell
.old
This should kill Explore. It should also take out Open and Find (Search) too
so you may want to do a bit of experimentation to see what does what. Hope
this helps.
PS. If you fry your PC with this then it's your problem not mine. You have
been warned.
| |
| 70-228 2002-07-15, 11:25 am |
| "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> As I said...though not to this specific issue. I offered the link to the
> question he asked in a previous post.
Actually my post was sent quite a few hours ago (before you realised what he
was asking). Which is why there will probaly be another almost identical
reply showing up soon.
On the problem. We get asked odd questions like that alot. My favourite one
is "How do I get rid of the Past Items in my tray area
(properties-customize)?" I wondered why that one kept coming up for ages.
Then I remembered that download managers often minimise to the tray and that
includes the file names of the Donkey porn people download. Always bring a
smile to my face when that one crops up.
Hmmm. Don't know why I felt the need to share that :-)
| |
| Raphael Norberg 2002-07-15, 12:25 pm |
| i would like to say that this thread is absolutely appropriate!!! this is
what the problem with boot camps is. the people that need them to pass the
tests have the mentality that any questions or problems they have should be
explained to them in some forum (like this news group) instead of making an
attempt by themselves first...like...ummm.....support.microsoft.com!!!!!!
or even a google search! actually, some of these boot camp people have
submitted questions to this forum when they already have the "Q" number to
the problem they are having!!!!!! the biggest problem with bootcamps is
that they teach you how to pass a test and they dont teach you how to
resolve problems...bottom line. in my day to day troubleshooting and
advancing my technical knowledge comes from text. either on a web site or a
newspaper or a book. the ability to find solutions and to discover new
technology from reading is the most important skill to have in this
busineess. technology changes way too fast to take a class everytime you
need to get a new skill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rnorberg
"70-228" <Gibhal@kreunk.com> wrote in message
news:sbDY8.254909$Eg5.2518739@news.easynews.com...
> "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> > As I said...though not to this specific issue. I offered the link to the
> > question he asked in a previous post.
>
> Actually my post was sent quite a few hours ago (before you realised what
he
> was asking). Which is why there will probaly be another almost identical
> reply showing up soon.
>
> On the problem. We get asked odd questions like that alot. My favourite
one
> is "How do I get rid of the Past Items in my tray area
> (properties-customize)?" I wondered why that one kept coming up for ages.
> Then I remembered that download managers often minimise to the tray and
that
> includes the file names of the Donkey porn people download. Always bring a
> smile to my face when that one crops up.
>
> Hmmm. Don't know why I felt the need to share that :-)
>
>
| |
| 70-228 2002-07-15, 2:25 pm |
| "Raphael Norberg" <rnorberg@eppik.com> wrote in message
> attempt by themselves first...like...ummm.....support.microsoft.com!!!!!!
> or even a google search! actually, some of these boot camp people have
Actually I couldn't find this problem on M$ or Google (probably is on Google
as DD found it quick enough). It's only cos I remembered reading about it
recently in our service log that I posted at all.
> technology from reading is the most important skill to have in this
> busineess. technology changes way too fast to take a class everytime you
> need to get a new skill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually I think being able to get out of the networking pit and into
management is the most important skill. That way you can get by without
knowing anything and pawning it off on some poor bastard like us :-P
| |
| diamondÐan 2002-07-15, 2:25 pm |
| In article <phFY8.332261$8S6.52062@news.easynews.com>, 70-228 decided to
open his mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
> "Raphael Norberg" <rnorberg@eppik.com> wrote in message
> > attempt by themselves first...like...ummm.....support.microsoft.com!!!!!!
> > or even a google search! actually, some of these boot camp people have
>
> Actually I couldn't find this problem on M$ or Google (probably is on Google
> as DD found it quick enough). It's only cos I remembered reading about it
> recently in our service log that I posted at all.
A good network admin has more URLs in his favorites folder than google
(my home page) and microsoft.com.
Depending on what you are looking for you may need www.winguides.com
(for registry hacks) www.techrepublic.com (for quick response to tech
questions and a number of reference articles and downloads)
download.cnet.com (for good free and shareware proggies), just to name a
few.
> > technology from reading is the most important skill to have in this
> > busineess. technology changes way too fast to take a class everytime you
> > need to get a new skill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Actually I think being able to get out of the networking pit and into
> management is the most important skill. That way you can get by without
> knowing anything and pawning it off on some poor bastard like us :-P
>
True, true. I'm in the process of making that move right now, which
makes it tricky as I have to develop management skills and still be the
crack troubleshooter who can find the answer when needed. Maybe the best
mix is a combination of the two. :-)
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-15, 3:25 pm |
|
"diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> > I have attached a small 11K jpg of a screen capture on my workstation
> > Win2K Pro as evidence :-)
> Oh, THAT menu item. Explore vs. Explorer.exe, there is a difference!
You could not figure out that the shortcut named Explore in the menu is
a shortcut to explorer.exe? Come on. Being a bit of a drama queen now.
:-)
> Here's your answer: http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/654/
Thanks very much, this is exactly what I was looking for, BTW which
exam is this covered in? :-)
> BTW - lousy screen colors, Mike. :-)
I use a program to called SnagIT to capture such things which drops the
resolution to make sure that the resulting graphics file is small. I come
from the generation that used 300/75 baud modems. I conserve bandwidth
as a matter of habit.
> And who says that I'm not helpful...solved problem and offered desktop
> fashion advice!
What can I say, yes, thank you, very helpful. You won't object too loudly
that I force this onto all desktops running Win 95/8 NT/2000/XP with
one application objection using Zenworks. Don't think you can that on
a MS platform? Or do you have a answer for that as well? :-)
Cheers (and thanks again)
Mike
| |
| Consultant® 2002-07-15, 3:25 pm |
| i see you're still bottom dwelling here
"_Mike_" <no_@spam.com> wrote in message
news:#D4n15DLCHA.2672@tkmsftngp13...
>
> "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
>
> > > I have attached a small 11K jpg of a screen capture on my workstation
> > > Win2K Pro as evidence :-)
>
> > Oh, THAT menu item. Explore vs. Explorer.exe, there is a difference!
>
> You could not figure out that the shortcut named Explore in the menu is
> a shortcut to explorer.exe? Come on. Being a bit of a drama queen now.
>
> :-)
>
> > Here's your answer: http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/654/
>
> Thanks very much, this is exactly what I was looking for, BTW which
> exam is this covered in? :-)
>
> > BTW - lousy screen colors, Mike. :-)
>
> I use a program to called SnagIT to capture such things which drops the
> resolution to make sure that the resulting graphics file is small. I come
> from the generation that used 300/75 baud modems. I conserve bandwidth
> as a matter of habit.
>
> > And who says that I'm not helpful...solved problem and offered desktop
> > fashion advice!
>
> What can I say, yes, thank you, very helpful. You won't object too loudly
> that I force this onto all desktops running Win 95/8 NT/2000/XP with
> one application objection using Zenworks. Don't think you can that on
> a MS platform? Or do you have a answer for that as well? :-)
>
> Cheers (and thanks again)
> Mike
>
>
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-15, 3:25 pm |
|
"Raphael Norberg" <rnorberg@eppik.com> wrote in message
news:uj623g4ucn3ic3@corp.supernews.com...
> i would like to say that this thread is absolutely appropriate!!! this is
> what the problem with boot camps is. the people that need them to pass
the
> tests have the mentality that any questions or problems they have should
be
> explained to them in some forum (like this news group) instead of making
an
> attempt by themselves first...like...ummm.....support.microsoft.com!!!!!!
> or even a google search! actually, some of these boot camp people have
> submitted questions to this forum when they already have the "Q" number to
> the problem they are having!!!!!! the biggest problem with bootcamps is
> that they teach you how to pass a test and they dont teach you how to
> resolve problems...bottom line. in my day to day troubleshooting and
> advancing my technical knowledge comes from text. either on a web site or
a
> newspaper or a book. the ability to find solutions and to discover new
> technology from reading is the most important skill to have in this
> busineess. technology changes way too fast to take a class everytime you
> need to get a new skill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Groan, your head to big to get away from your computer today?
I am sorry for describing it as a shortcut to explorer.exe instead
of a shortcut named Explore to Explorer.exe
This has bugger all to with boot camps or any sort of training. I actually
help plenty of people daily with problems that could be looked up,
I don't need my ego stroked or anyone telling me I am a semi-god
before I offer help. Everyone will have certain expertises and knowledge,
no one knows everything and this is a typical of example of something
that is not covered in exams.
So Mr Genius who has never found it easier to ask something on news
forum because it did not pop up in any obvious searches that I did,
what are you doing here?
Cheers
Mike
| |
| diamondÐan 2002-07-15, 3:25 pm |
| In article <#D4n15DLCHA.2672@tkmsftngp13>, _Mike_ decided to open his
mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
>
> "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
>
> > > I have attached a small 11K jpg of a screen capture on my workstation
> > > Win2K Pro as evidence :-)
>
> > Oh, THAT menu item. Explore vs. Explorer.exe, there is a difference!
>
> You could not figure out that the shortcut named Explore in the menu is
> a shortcut to explorer.exe? Come on. Being a bit of a drama queen now.
As I said in another post in this thread, I am very detail oriented. I
don't take things like that for granted. While Explore does open
"Explorer.exe" (to browse Start Menu items) the shortcut is not named
"Explorer.exe" but rather simply "Explore". In my mind those are two
different things, and were addressed as such.
> > Here's your answer: http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/654/
>
> Thanks very much, this is exactly what I was looking for, BTW which
> exam is this covered in? :-)
The exam called Real Life. There are no boot camps or braindumps for
this exam. :-)
> > BTW - lousy screen colors, Mike. :-)
>
> I use a program to called SnagIT to capture such things which drops the
> resolution to make sure that the resulting graphics file is small. I come
> from the generation that used 300/75 baud modems. I conserve bandwidth
> as a matter of habit.
So your windows environment is not violet?
> > And who says that I'm not helpful...solved problem and offered desktop
> > fashion advice!
>
> What can I say, yes, thank you, very helpful. You won't object too loudly
> that I force this onto all desktops running Win 95/8 NT/2000/XP with
> one application objection using Zenworks. Don't think you can that on
> a MS platform? Or do you have a answer for that as well? :-)
Ok, lost me on that one. If you are asking how to force the restriction
on all the machines, it's easy. Create a registry file that will import
the keys listed on the site link I gave you. Have a startup script that
calls the .reg file.
> Cheers (and thanks again)
> Mike
>
>
>
| |
| Raphael Norberg 2002-07-15, 3:25 pm |
| > So Mr Genius who has never found it easier to ask something on news
> forum because it did not pop up in any obvious searches that I did,
> what are you doing here?
to flame people like you.
rnorberg
"_Mike_" <no_@spam.com> wrote in message
news:eKFsd$DLCHA.1968@tkmsftngp11...
>
> "Raphael Norberg" <rnorberg@eppik.com> wrote in message
> news:uj623g4ucn3ic3@corp.supernews.com...
> > i would like to say that this thread is absolutely appropriate!!! this
is
> > what the problem with boot camps is. the people that need them to pass
> the
> > tests have the mentality that any questions or problems they have should
> be
> > explained to them in some forum (like this news group) instead of making
> an
> > attempt by themselves
first...like...ummm.....support.microsoft. com!!!!!!
> > or even a google search! actually, some of these boot camp people have
> > submitted questions to this forum when they already have the "Q" number
to
> > the problem they are having!!!!!! the biggest problem with bootcamps is
> > that they teach you how to pass a test and they dont teach you how to
> > resolve problems...bottom line. in my day to day troubleshooting and
> > advancing my technical knowledge comes from text. either on a web site
or
> a
> > newspaper or a book. the ability to find solutions and to discover new
> > technology from reading is the most important skill to have in this
> > busineess. technology changes way too fast to take a class everytime
you
> > need to get a new skill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Oh Groan, your head to big to get away from your computer today?
> I am sorry for describing it as a shortcut to explorer.exe instead
> of a shortcut named Explore to Explorer.exe
>
> This has bugger all to with boot camps or any sort of training. I actually
> help plenty of people daily with problems that could be looked up,
> I don't need my ego stroked or anyone telling me I am a semi-god
> before I offer help. Everyone will have certain expertises and knowledge,
> no one knows everything and this is a typical of example of something
> that is not covered in exams.
>
> So Mr Genius who has never found it easier to ask something on news
> forum because it did not pop up in any obvious searches that I did,
> what are you doing here?
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-15, 3:25 pm |
|
"diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> Depending on what you are looking for you may need www.winguides.com
> (for registry hacks) www.techrepublic.com (for quick response to tech
> questions and a number of reference articles and downloads)
> download.cnet.com (for good free and shareware proggies), just to name a
> few.
Was not aware of either site so useful and thanks for the info
> > Actually I think being able to get out of the networking pit and into
> > management is the most important skill. That way you can get by without
> > knowing anything and pawning it off on some poor bastard like us :-P
> True, true. I'm in the process of making that move right now, which
> makes it tricky as I have to develop management skills and still be the
> crack troubleshooter who can find the answer when needed. Maybe the best
> mix is a combination of the two. :-)
Well I have managed to mix the two for many years, so although I am
merely a scumbag who did some MS courses on a bootcamp, you
never know, you might find I can pass on some useful tips all the same.
I find the trick in managing is to learn to delegate and allow people
to find their own paths. Techies who move into management can
be the most hated managers of all, because you they 1) often try
show their technical superiority at every given opportunity 2)
control people so closely expecting them to operate exactly
as they did as techie.
One has to let go, hand over and let others do what they think is
best, interfering only when asked to or when things are really
going pear shaped. Respect is made by being helpful, offering
support when needed in a humble way, and allowing people
to grow (not necessary as an image of yourself)
I keep techie minded by often picking up the techie things
everyone likes to avoid, like bastard from hell users, crappy
jobs etc. I insist that in any month, I spend at least four hours
in every role in my department, help desk, Desktop support,
server support, projects, stock control / issuing. I always
manage to build up enough trust that I get included
technically without been considered a threat or big brother
spying, this is really important if you want to keep techie
as well as managing.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| diamondÐan 2002-07-15, 3:25 pm |
| In article <uj623g4ucn3ic3@corp.supernews.com>, Raphael Norberg decided
to open his mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
> i would like to say that this thread is absolutely appropriate!!! this is
> what the problem with boot camps is. the people that need them to pass the
> tests have the mentality that any questions or problems they have should be
> explained to them in some forum (like this news group) instead of making an
> attempt by themselves first...like...ummm.....support.microsoft.com!!!!!!
> or even a google search! actually, some of these boot camp people have
> submitted questions to this forum when they already have the "Q" number to
> the problem they are having!!!!!! the biggest problem with bootcamps is
> that they teach you how to pass a test and they dont teach you how to
> resolve problems...bottom line. in my day to day troubleshooting and
> advancing my technical knowledge comes from text. either on a web site or a
> newspaper or a book. the ability to find solutions and to discover new
> technology from reading is the most important skill to have in this
> busineess. technology changes way too fast to take a class everytime you
> need to get a new skill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Rnorberg
>
Right on, norberg! Being certified isn't so much about knowing *every*
answer off the top of your head, but being able to find the correct
answer rather quickly. AND, like you said, not every answer comes from
microsoft.com (sorry, Ben).
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-15, 3:25 pm |
|
"70-228" <Gibhal@kreunk.com> wrote in message
news:e%BY8.251650$Eg5.2469043@news.easynews.com...
> Find
> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\sh
ell
> and rename it
> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\sh
ell.old
>
> Also find
> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell
> and rename it
> HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell
.old
>
> This should kill Explore. It should also take out Open and Find (Search)
too
> so you may want to do a bit of experimentation to see what does what. Hope
> this helps.
>
> PS. If you fry your PC with this then it's your problem not mine. You have
> been warned.
Thanks for the info, I shall experiment on our various builds and take it
through our Application Integrators who will test it in UAT (user acceptance
testing) lab. We have a pretty regulated change control procedure before
it can be rolled out, anyway.
We deliver such things with Novell Zenworks and undoing registry
changes is very quick :-)
Thanks for the info
Cheers
Mike
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-15, 5:25 pm |
| "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> So your windows environment is not violet?
No, but please keep quiet, if my Mrs hears this suggestion, she
will force me to make it so.
> > What can I say, yes, thank you, very helpful. You won't object too
loudly
> > that I force this onto all desktops running Win 95/8 NT/2000/XP with
> > one application objection using Zenworks. Don't think you can that on
> > a MS platform? Or do you have a answer for that as well? :-)
>
> Ok, lost me on that one. If you are asking how to force the restriction
> on all the machines, it's easy. Create a registry file that will import
> the keys listed on the site link I gave you. Have a startup script that
> calls the .reg file.
You gave me exactly what I was asking for :-) The registry settings
to disable this, I was just bragging that I can make one object (sorry,
the spell checker changed it to objection) equivalent to a group
policy, that will force these registry changes on all systems from
Win 95 to XP.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-15, 5:25 pm |
|
"Raphael Norberg" <rnorberg@eppik.com> wrote in message
news:uj6ddks4dnge9e@corp.supernews.com...
> > So Mr Genius who has never found it easier to ask something on news
> > forum because it did not pop up in any obvious searches that I did,
> > what are you doing here?
>
> to flame people like you.
Sorry, flame proof and internet hardened.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| 70-228 2002-07-15, 5:25 pm |
| "_Mike_" <no_@spam.com> wrote in message
> We deliver such things with Novell Zenworks and undoing registry
> changes is very quick :-)
Gotta be better than scripting it. I hate scripts. I hate them so much that
I'd actually create an adm to do this rather than scripting it. And I bet
making an adm of that would be a complete cunt (actually I'd disappear to
the toilets for a while hoping someone else would do it). I pray that they
improve that someday.
Any chance M$ will buy Novell so we might actually get some of that good
stuff too? Bah. Damn antitrust shit would stomp it. Oh well.
| |
| S.OBrien 2002-07-15, 5:25 pm |
| Xref: tkmsftngp01 microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse:60194
"70-228" <Gibhal@kreunk.com> wrote in message
news:JwIY8.341343$8S6.53781@news.easynews.com...
> "_Mike_" <no_@spam.com> wrote in message
> > We deliver such things with Novell Zenworks and undoing registry
> > changes is very quick :-)
>
> Gotta be better than scripting it. I hate scripts. I hate them so much
that
> I'd actually create an adm to do this rather than scripting it. And I bet
> making an adm of that would be a complete cunt (actually I'd disappear
to.....
such charming language... ouch
lol
Sue
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-16, 3:25 am |
|
"70-228" <Gibhal@kreunk.com> wrote in message
news:JwIY8.341343$8S6.53781@news.easynews.com...
> "_Mike_" <no_@spam.com> wrote in message
> > We deliver such things with Novell Zenworks and undoing registry
> > changes is very quick :-)
>
> Gotta be better than scripting it. I hate scripts. I hate them so much
that
> I'd actually create an adm to do this rather than scripting it. And I bet
> making an adm of that would be a complete cunt (actually I'd disappear to
> the toilets for a while hoping someone else would do it). I pray that they
> improve that someday.
>
> Any chance M$ will buy Novell so we might actually get some of that good
> stuff too? Bah. Damn antitrust shit would stomp it. Oh well.
I doubt it, Uncle Bill would be admitting that Novell do some things better
than
in his core technologies. Novell have always been crap at marketing
and unfortunately I think the writing is on the wall for them, I doubt they
will be around in 10 years time. A real pity, Novell introduces replicated
databases (Active Directory) in the late 90's and the core OS is much
more stable . What Zenworks integrates and makes easy is only likely
to appear in a version or two after .NET . Novell's downfall is any
bozo using an MS OS at home will get a MS server up running. To
setup a Novell server properly using Zenworks features takes skill
and will never get done properly by an inexperienced person with
no training.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| yotis_hootis 2002-07-16, 7:07 pm |
| I totally disagree about going to a school to get your certs. I just finished up my schooling at a college. It consisted of getting your associates degree, A+, MCSE, MCSA, and CCNA---all in 11 months. Its called the fasttrack program. The only of its kind. The testing center is in the same building. You dont have to go any where else but to class to get your certs. The facility is completely setup for everything that you need: top of the line PC's;router; switches; and all the tools you will need. Tell me that going to school to get your certs is the wrong way!
quote:
Originally posted by Raphael Norberg
if you need a boot camp or a "school" to pass the MCSE tests, you should
reconsider your career. perhaps digging trenches would be more appropriate.
Rnorberg
"dbazan" <dbazan@valverde.edu> wrote in message
news:eFOJYCHKCHA.2736@tkmsftngp13...
> I am considering attending a boot camp for MCSE training. If this is the
> right ng for any advice, please send some my way or point me in the right
> direction.
>
>
| |
| Joe Bob 2002-07-17, 1:25 pm |
| You said
> As I said in another post in this thread, I am very detail oriented. I
> don't take things like that for granted. While Explore does open
> "Explorer.exe" (to browse Start Menu items) the shortcut is not named
> "Explorer.exe" but rather simply "Explore". In my mind those are two
> different things, and were addressed as such.
His original question was "Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer
when you right click
on the Start Button?"
As you can easily see he said a shortcut TO explorer, not a shortcut named
explorer.exe.
I think you are being a little ridiculous with this thread.
| |
| diamondÐan 2002-07-17, 2:25 pm |
| In article <urVq4VcLCHA.2248@tkmsftngp10>, Joe Bob decided to open his
mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
> You said
> > As I said in another post in this thread, I am very detail oriented. I
> > don't take things like that for granted. While Explore does open
> > "Explorer.exe" (to browse Start Menu items) the shortcut is not named
> > "Explorer.exe" but rather simply "Explore". In my mind those are two
> > different things, and were addressed as such.
>
>
> His original question was "Is their a way to remove the shortcut to explorer
> when you right click
> on the Start Button?"
>
> As you can easily see he said a shortcut TO explorer, not a shortcut named
> explorer.exe.
>
> I think you are being a little ridiculous with this thread.
>
>
>
Yeah, maybe a little...I am very detail oriented and try to address
problems based on accurate information, but I also wanted to "bust his
balls" a little before I posted the answer. ( Which, by the way, was a
correct and accurate answer, which blows your "MCNGP=worthless" theory
out of the water. Your buddy Network Guru never could answer technical
questions.)
I felt the need to do so based on the level of experience Mike reports
and the number of cert exams he passed. He came in here 'great guns' and
needed to eat a little humble pie.
Nothing personal, just brought him down to the same level as the rest of
us and hopefully helped remove that "bootcamps are great" chip off his
shoulder.
| |
| _Mike_ 2002-07-18, 8:25 am |
| "diamondÐan" <diamondÐan@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
news:MPG.179f91d9e71a145f9896fa@news.microsoft.com...
> I felt the need to do so based on the level of experience Mike reports
> and the number of cert exams he passed. He came in here 'great guns' and
> needed to eat a little humble pie.
Oh, please, I am obviously grateful for people who offer help, I have
never claimed to know everything an would be first the admit I don't.
> Nothing personal, just brought him down to the same level as the rest of
> us and hopefully helped remove that "bootcamps are great" chip off his
> shoulder.
Bootcamps have their place and the fact you knew something I did not,
hardly changes that. Never mind the fact that question was not on the
type of thing one gets asked in certification exams anyway.
Cheers
Mike
| |
| Laura A. Robinson 2002-07-19, 10:25 am |
| circa Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:55:32 -0500, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Raphael Norberg (rnorberg@eppik.com)
said,
> if you need a boot camp or a "school" to pass the MCSE tests, you should
> reconsider your career. perhaps digging trenches would be more appropriate.
>
>
This from the guy posting warez links. Lemme guess; you'd recommend
brain dumps instead?
While I don't care for boot camps, I find the disparaging comments
about any "school" to be inaccurate.
Laura
--
One man's mundane and boring existence is another man's Technicolor.
-Tick, Strange Days
| |
| Raphael Norberg 2002-07-19, 2:25 pm |
| "Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in message
This from the guy posting warez links. Lemme guess; you'd recommend
> brain dumps instead?
>
> While I don't care for boot camps, I find the disparaging comments
> about any "school" to be inaccurate.
>
> Laura
no, i dont think braindumps are the answer. ive posted MANY MANY replies to
people asking about these "schools"....and you were right to put that word
in quotes, because most of these "schools" are just huge marketing
machines. they have 3 sales people for every instructor, and my point is
that they ARE braindumps, just in a different format. my definition of a
braindump is somehow getting all the answers to the tests without knowing
the concepts. ive been administering windows environments since the NT 3.5
days, and i consider myself to be pretty good at it, but there are still
concepts i dont understand, so how can these "schools" guarantee that anyone
can go there for 2 weeks and pass the MCSE tests??!!!! answer: they
BRAINDUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so how can you rag on one kind of braindump, then
support another? my recommendation for people that want to get into this
business i to get a help desk job, learn the OS and buy a $10 used sybex
book at amazon when you feel youre ready. and of course stop by
alt.binaries.warez before you set up your lab. These "schools" teach people
how to pass a test, but they leave out the most important thing in this
business, and thats hows to adapt and learn new skills. most employers wont
send you to "school" eveytime the company buys a new product or whenever
microsoft changes platforms (every other week). the ability to buy a book
and learn or go to a website and learn is what seperates the good techs from
the bad. and its the braindumpers (in any form) that are giving the MCSE
cert a bad name.
Rnorberg
"Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.17a2062f16450ddc989f94@msnews.microsoft.com...
> circa Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:55:32 -0500, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Raphael Norberg (rnorberg@eppik.com)
> said,
> > if you need a boot camp or a "school" to pass the MCSE tests, you should
> > reconsider your career. perhaps digging trenches would be more
appropriate.
> >
> >
> This from the guy posting warez links. Lemme guess; you'd recommend
> brain dumps instead?
>
> While I don't care for boot camps, I find the disparaging comments
> about any "school" to be inaccurate.
>
> Laura
> --
> One man's mundane and boring existence is another man's Technicolor.
> -Tick, Strange Days
| |
| Laura A. Robinson 2002-07-19, 2:25 pm |
| circa Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:08:46 -0500, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Raphael Norberg (rnorberg@eppik.com)
said,
> "Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in message
>
> This from the guy posting warez links. Lemme guess; you'd recommend
> > brain dumps instead?
> >
> > While I don't care for boot camps, I find the disparaging comments
> > about any "school" to be inaccurate.
> >
> > Laura
>
> no, i dont think braindumps are the answer. ive posted MANY MANY replies to
> people asking about these "schools"....and you were right to put that word
> in quotes, because most of these "schools" are just huge marketing
> machines. they have 3 sales people for every instructor, and my point is
> that they ARE braindumps, just in a different format. my definition of a
> braindump is somehow getting all the answers to the tests without knowing
> the concepts. ive been administering windows environments since the NT 3.5
> days, and i consider myself to be pretty good at it, but there are still
> concepts i dont understand, so how can these "schools" guarantee that anyone
> can go there for 2 weeks and pass the MCSE tests??!!!! answer: they
> BRAINDUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so how can you rag on one kind of braindump, then
> support another? my recommendation for people that want to get into this
> business i to get a help desk job, learn the OS and buy a $10 used sybex
> book at amazon when you feel youre ready. and of course stop by
> alt.binaries.warez before you set up your lab. These "schools" teach people
> how to pass a test, but they leave out the most important thing in this
> business, and thats hows to adapt and learn new skills. most employers wont
> send you to "school" eveytime the company buys a new product or whenever
> microsoft changes platforms (every other week). the ability to buy a book
> and learn or go to a website and learn is what seperates the good techs from
> the bad. and its the braindumpers (in any form) that are giving the MCSE
> cert a bad name.
>
Okay, you totally missed my point. Your post did not differentiate
between boot camp training and other classroom training. My point
was, you can't say that _all_ classroom training is bad. Your entire
post read:
"if you need a boot camp or a "school" to pass the MCSE tests, you
should
reconsider your career. perhaps digging trenches would be more
appropriate."
Nowhere did you specify that you were talking about a specific type
of "school", and that was my issue.
Laura
<feeling like I'm having to state the obvious here>
--
One man's mundane and boring existence is another man's Technicolor.
-Tick, Strange Days
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| Raphael Norberg 2002-07-19, 3:25 pm |
| if you need a school to pass the tests is exactally what i said. i guess i
dont know how to be more clear. if you want to be an MCSE and you decide
that the way to go about that is to go to a school (as opposed to buying a
book and setting up a lab) i think you are in the wrong business. again, if
you are going to a school (of anykind i guess) with the intent of using that
education for the sole purpose of passing your MCSE exams, you are a fool.
Rnorberg
"Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.17a23b681ac74b14989fa0@msnews.microsoft.com...
> circa Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:08:46 -0500, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Raphael Norberg (rnorberg@eppik.com)
> said,
> > "Laura A. Robinson" < firstinitiallastname@technolog
ist.com> wrote in
message
> >
> > This from the guy posting warez links. Lemme guess; you'd recommend
> > > brain dumps instead?
> > >
> > > While I don't care for boot camps, I find the disparaging comments
> > > about any "school" to be inaccurate.
> > >
> > > Laura
> >
> > no, i dont think braindumps are the answer. ive posted MANY MANY
replies to
> > people asking about these "schools"....and you were right to put that
word
> > in quotes, because most of these "schools" are just huge marketing
> > machines. they have 3 sales people for every instructor, and my point
is
> > that they ARE braindumps, just in a different format. my definition of
a
> > braindump is somehow getting all the answers to the tests without
knowing
> > the concepts. ive been administering windows environments since the NT
3.5
> > days, and i consider myself to be pretty good at it, but there are still
> > concepts i dont understand, so how can these "schools" guarantee tha | | |