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| majormike 2002-12-19, 4:23 pm |
| You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
>-----Original Message-----
>With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
>
>Thanks Lord for that.
>
>
>
>Rafael Tejera
>
>
>.
>
| |
| billyw 2002-12-19, 4:23 pm |
| you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
"majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> >-----Original Message-----
> >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> >
> >Thanks Lord for that.
> >
> >
> >
> >Rafael Tejera
> >
> >
> >.
> >
| |
| Consultant 2002-12-19, 5:23 pm |
| no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
>
> "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > >
> > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Rafael Tejera
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
>
>
| |
| billyw 2002-12-19, 5:23 pm |
| it's true though isn't it..
any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the name of his
god
"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
>
>
> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> >
> > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
|
| > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
I'm so glad that god is taking time away from say, the starving children in
Africa, so he can help you pass an exam for an almost worthless cert.
Joy to the world...
| |
| Rob Hammersmith 2002-12-19, 5:23 pm |
| How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more capable of
anything than someone doing something not in the name of a God?
--
Rob Hammersmith
MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> it's true though isn't it..
> any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the name of
his
> god
>
> "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> >
> >
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > >
> > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Consultant 2002-12-19, 5:23 pm |
| well, if you are weak and need something to believe in, then i suppose that
could give you additional motivation in your efforts.
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> it's true though isn't it..
> any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the name of
his
> god
>
> "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> >
> >
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > >
> > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| billyw 2002-12-19, 5:23 pm |
| because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which to believe
in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people becoming driven by
their god to wipe out another religion...
i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of the masses...
honk honk
"Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more capable of
> anything than someone doing something not in the name of a God?
>
> --
> Rob Hammersmith
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
>
> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > it's true though isn't it..
> > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the name of
> his
> > god
> >
> > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > >
> > >
> > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > >
> > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| billyw 2002-12-19, 6:23 pm |
| that should have been Marx
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which to believe
> in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people becoming driven by
> their god to wipe out another religion...
>
> i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of the
masses...
> honk honk
>
>
> "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more capable
of
> > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a God?
> >
> > --
> > Rob Hammersmith
> > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> >
> >
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the name
of
> > his
> > > god
> > >
> > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > >
> > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Rob Hammersmith 2002-12-19, 6:23 pm |
| Well your argument doesn't hold nearly as much weight if you were to say
"Insane people becoming driven by their god to wipe out another religion..."
So the obvious question is, why do you assume that they are "normal" people
and that their religion leads them in their actions, when they just as
easily could be "insane" people and their actions have more to do with their
insanity than their religion?
--
Rob Hammersmith
MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which to believe
> in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people becoming driven by
> their god to wipe out another religion...
>
> i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of the
masses...
> honk honk
>
>
> "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more capable
of
> > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a God?
> >
> > --
> > Rob Hammersmith
> > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> >
> >
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the name
of
> > his
> > > god
> > >
> > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > >
> > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| billyw 2002-12-19, 6:23 pm |
| good question..
many thousands of peasants who went off on a crusade.. can't remember the
name of it but it wasn't led by a military man, rather some kind of
preacher.. john the something or other, anyway they were all slaughtered at
some pass in syria i think... those peasants can't all have been mad...
possibly ill educated, but not all mad..
Religion is like any other form of mass indoctrination, it allows people to
believe they are doing right, regardless of their actions..
saving the "unbeliever" from himself by the expediant method of despatching
him to the thereafter never really worked for me.
"Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ev3lFZ7pCHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> Well your argument doesn't hold nearly as much weight if you were to say
> "Insane people becoming driven by their god to wipe out another
religion..."
> So the obvious question is, why do you assume that they are "normal"
people
> and that their religion leads them in their actions, when they just as
> easily could be "insane" people and their actions have more to do with
their
> insanity than their religion?
>
> --
> Rob Hammersmith
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
>
> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which to believe
> > in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people becoming driven
by
> > their god to wipe out another religion...
> >
> > i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of the
> masses...
> > honk honk
> >
> >
> > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more capable
> of
> > > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a God?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > >
> > >
> > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the
name
> of
> > > his
> > > > god
> > > >
> > > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Rob Hammersmith 2002-12-19, 6:23 pm |
| Sounds like you are lumping all religions together. It also sounds like you
are equating the extreme actions of some who practice a religion and
equating it to the religion.
IMHO, I think a person who was inspired to commit immoral acts by a
religious interpretation is no different than a person who was inspired to
commit immoral acts by some random thought. The action reflects more on the
person then it does on the source of the inspiration.
--
Rob Hammersmith
MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:uvlm6e7pCHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> good question..
>
> many thousands of peasants who went off on a crusade.. can't remember the
> name of it but it wasn't led by a military man, rather some kind of
> preacher.. john the something or other, anyway they were all slaughtered
at
> some pass in syria i think... those peasants can't all have been mad...
> possibly ill educated, but not all mad..
>
> Religion is like any other form of mass indoctrination, it allows people
to
> believe they are doing right, regardless of their actions..
> saving the "unbeliever" from himself by the expediant method of
despatching
> him to the thereafter never really worked for me.
>
>
> "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ev3lFZ7pCHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > Well your argument doesn't hold nearly as much weight if you were to say
> > "Insane people becoming driven by their god to wipe out another
> religion..."
> > So the obvious question is, why do you assume that they are "normal"
> people
> > and that their religion leads them in their actions, when they just as
> > easily could be "insane" people and their actions have more to do with
> their
> > insanity than their religion?
> >
> > --
> > Rob Hammersmith
> > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> >
> >
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which to
believe
> > > in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people becoming
driven
> by
> > > their god to wipe out another religion...
> > >
> > > i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of the
> > masses...
> > > honk honk
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more
capable
> > of
> > > > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a God?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the
> name
> > of
> > > > his
> > > > > god
> > > > >
> > > > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| billyw 2002-12-20, 7:23 am |
| I actually lumping 3 of the main religions together... funnily enough they
all pray to the same god...
what I'm equating to religion is that it empowers people to go beyond
themselves and can result in war etc.
religion as an excuse? no I'd say religion as the root of the problem...
take Catholicism's attitude to population control. To say the least, it is
misinformed and dangerous.
with regard to your second point I think some people can be influenced, be
it political or religious, to do their worst.
they may actually be ok people, but with the added incentive of doing "gods
work" of they pop and slaughter a whole race.
it is both a reflection on the corruption that religious practice can
engender and the person who is willing to be sucked into it without applying
a modicum of common sense.
"Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ODQ2Lr7pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> Sounds like you are lumping all religions together. It also sounds like
you
> are equating the extreme actions of some who practice a religion and
> equating it to the religion.
>
> IMHO, I think a person who was inspired to commit immoral acts by a
> religious interpretation is no different than a person who was inspired to
> commit immoral acts by some random thought. The action reflects more on
the
> person then it does on the source of the inspiration.
>
> --
> Rob Hammersmith
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
>
> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:uvlm6e7pCHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > good question..
> >
> > many thousands of peasants who went off on a crusade.. can't remember
the
> > name of it but it wasn't led by a military man, rather some kind of
> > preacher.. john the something or other, anyway they were all slaughtered
> at
> > some pass in syria i think... those peasants can't all have been mad...
> > possibly ill educated, but not all mad..
> >
> > Religion is like any other form of mass indoctrination, it allows people
> to
> > believe they are doing right, regardless of their actions..
> > saving the "unbeliever" from himself by the expediant method of
> despatching
> > him to the thereafter never really worked for me.
> >
> >
> > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ev3lFZ7pCHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > Well your argument doesn't hold nearly as much weight if you were to
say[c
olor=darkred]
> > > "Insane people becoming driven by their god to wipe out another
> > religion..."
> > > So the obvious question is, why do you assume that they are "normal"
> > people
> > > and that their religion leads them in their actions, when they just as
> > > easily could be "insane" people and their actions have more to do with
> > their
> > > insanity than their religion?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > >
> > >
> > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which to
> believe
> > > > in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people becoming
> driven
> > by
> > > > their god to wipe out another religion...
> > > >
> > > > i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of the
> > > masses...
> > > > honk honk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more
> capable
> > > of
> > > > > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a God?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > > > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in the
> > name
> > > of
> > > > > his
> > > > > > god
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you Rafael
> > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]
| |
|
| The problem is people in large groups. People gain a mob mentality when
they gather. It's not just religion, check out any union. The IQ's drop by
50 points everytime people gather and it only takes one nut job running
things to make the scene turn ugly.
| |
| billyw 2002-12-20, 9:23 am |
| agreed..
but many religions encourage groups, they encourage conversion of
unbelievers, they encourage a centered tribal view. add all this together
and you have a pile of nutters running around trying to poke pointy sticks
in non-believers eyes..
if you know what i mean..
religion is a tool of control....
"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
news:OHiI8ZDqCHA.2472@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> The problem is people in large groups. People gain a mob mentality when
> they gather. It's not just religion, check out any union. The IQ's drop
by
> 50 points everytime people gather and it only takes one nut job running
> things to make the scene turn ugly.
>
>
>
| |
| Consultant 2002-12-20, 9:23 am |
| yes, they often come knocking on my door trying to push their beliefs on me.
go away you weak mindless trolls!
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:OxJsweDqCHA.2252@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> agreed..
> but many religions encourage groups, they encourage conversion of
> unbelievers, they encourage a centered tribal view. add all this together
> and you have a pile of nutters running around trying to poke pointy sticks
> in non-believers eyes..
> if you know what i mean..
> religion is a tool of control....
>
> "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
> news:OHiI8ZDqCHA.2472@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > The problem is people in large groups. People gain a mob mentality when
> > they gather. It's not just religion, check out any union. The IQ's
drop
> by
> > 50 points everytime people gather and it only takes one nut job running
> > things to make the scene turn ugly.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| Keyboard Cowboy 2002-12-20, 9:23 am |
| I like to find out how devoted they are... I tell them
that I would be happy to join their church... if they
donate 10% of their proceeds to me... "OK, I thought you
were told by god to convert me? Not so willing now, are
ya?"
>-----Original Message-----
>yes, they often come knocking on my door trying to push
their beliefs on me.
>go away you weak mindless trolls!
>
>
>"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
>news:OxJsweDqCHA.2252@TK2MSFTNGP12...
>> agreed..
>> but many religions encourage groups, they encourage
conversion of
>> unbelievers, they encourage a centered tribal view. add
all this together
>> and you have a pile of nutters running around trying to
poke pointy sticks
>> in non-believers eyes..
>> if you know what i mean..
>> religion is a tool of control....
>>
>> "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
>> news:OHiI8ZDqCHA.2472@TK2MSFTNGP12...
>> > The problem is people in large groups. People gain a
mob mentality when[
color=darkred]
>> > they gather. It's not just religion, check out any[/color]
union. The IQ's
>drop
>> by
>> > 50 points everytime people gather and it only takes
one nut job running
>> > things to make the scene turn ugly.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>
| |
| Rob Hammersmith 2002-12-20, 9:23 am |
| Anything can go beyond oneself and result in war. It's called inspiration.
Saying that religion is the root of the problem ignores every other source
of inspiration that is non-religious. The root of the problem is that people
are human, not always intelligent, and tend to be lemmings. They can be led
astray by non-religious inspiration just as easily as by religious
inspiration. Pretty much every immoral act that has been done in the name of
a god or religion can be attributed to a misinterpretation of one or more
religious principles, in which case the root of the problem is human error,
not the religion.
As for the population control example, is your issue with religious
attitudes, or with immoral acts done in the name of a god?
--
Rob Hammersmith
MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:ehUOUYCqCHA.1660@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> I actually lumping 3 of the main religions together... funnily enough they
> all pray to the same god...
> what I'm equating to religion is that it empowers people to go beyond
> themselves and can result in war etc.
> religion as an excuse? no I'd say religion as the root of the problem...
> take Catholicism's attitude to population control. To say the least, it is
> misinformed and dangerous.
>
> with regard to your second point I think some people can be influenced, be
> it political or religious, to do their worst.
> they may actually be ok people, but with the added incentive of doing
"gods
> work" of they pop and slaughter a whole race.
> it is both a reflection on the corruption that religious practice can
> engender and the person who is willing to be sucked into it without
applying
> a modicum of common sense.
>
>
> "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ODQ2Lr7pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > Sounds like you are lumping all religions together. It also sounds like
> you
> > are equating the extreme actions of some who practice a religion and
> > equating it to the religion.
> >
> > IMHO, I think a person who was inspired to commit immoral acts by a
> > religious interpretation is no different than a person who was inspired
to
> > commit immoral acts by some random thought. The action reflects more on
> the
> > person then it does on the source of the inspiration.
> >
> > --
> > Rob Hammersmith
> > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> >
> >
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:uvlm6e7pCHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > good question..
> > >
> > > many thousands of peasants who went off on a crusade.. can't remember
> the
> > > name of it but it wasn't led by a military man, rather some kind of
> > > preacher.. john the something or other, anyway they were all
slaughtered
> > at
> > > some pass in syria i think... those peasants can't all have been
mad... [colo
r=darkred]
> > > possibly ill educated, but not all mad..
> > >
> > > Religion is like any other form of mass indoctrination, it allows[/color]
people
> > to
> > > believe they are doing right, regardless of their actions..
> > > saving the "unbeliever" from himself by the expediant method of
> > despatching
> > > him to the thereafter never really worked for me.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ev3lFZ7pCHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > Well your argument doesn't hold nearly as much weight if you were to
> say
> > > > "Insane people becoming driven by their god to wipe out another
> > > religion..."
> > > > So the obvious question is, why do you assume that they are "normal"
> > > people
> > > > and that their religion leads them in their actions, when they just
as[co
lor=darkred]
> > > > easily could be "insane" people and their actions have more to do[/color]
with[
color=darkred]
> > > their
> > > > insanity than their religion?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which to
> > believe
> > > > > in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people becoming
> > driven
> > > by
> > > > > their god to wipe out another religion...
> > > > >
> > > > > i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of the
> > > > masses...
> > > > > honk honk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > > > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more
> > capable
> > > > of
> > > > > > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a God?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > > > > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in[/color]
the[c
olor=darkred]
> > > name
> > > > of
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > god
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > > > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > > > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > > > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you[/color]
Rafael
> > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| billyw 2002-12-20, 10:23 am |
| funnily enough, i enjoy a good discussion with them when they come round my
door..
In fact when i was on holiday in florida last year, i had hired a villa.. a
few days into the holiday i got a visit from the local religious zealouts.
Do u know the first thing they asked me (after the usual greetings) is
english my first language... unfortunately for them i had been drinking by
the pool and was able to teach them some more english words.. they never
came back funnily enuff
"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:#uXwGiDqCHA.2796@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> yes, they often come knocking on my door trying to push their beliefs on
me.
> go away you weak mindless trolls!
>
>
> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:OxJsweDqCHA.2252@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > agreed..
> > but many religions encourage groups, they encourage conversion of
> > unbelievers, they encourage a centered tribal view. add all this
together
> > and you have a pile of nutters running around trying to poke pointy
sticks
> > in non-believers eyes..
> > if you know what i mean..
> > religion is a tool of control....
> >
> > "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
> > news:OHiI8ZDqCHA.2472@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > The problem is people in large groups. People gain a mob mentality
when[
color=darkred]
> > > they gather. It's not just religion, check out any union. The IQ's
> drop
> > by
> > > 50 points everytime people gather and it only takes one nut job[/color]
running
> > > things to make the scene turn ugly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
| |
| billyw 2002-12-20, 10:23 am |
| yes but religion foster and nurtures these feelings. But i agree religion is
like any other "club"... i haven't made the distinction.. but religious
leaders try to..
i would think it would be easier to quantify the people killed in the name
of religion, than those saved.
also it is humans that write religion. remember the king james bible, the
new testement are merely bastardisations of previous works. They took out
the bits they didn't like and no doubt improved on others. so the religious
network is set up to get people round to their way of thinking.
for you second point.. both.. they are really one and the same
"Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OhZyTqDqCHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> Anything can go beyond oneself and result in war. It's called inspiration.
> Saying that religion is the root of the problem ignores every other source
> of inspiration that is non-religious. The root of the problem is that
people
> are human, not always intelligent, and tend to be lemmings. They can be
led
> astray by non-religious inspiration just as easily as by religious
> inspiration. Pretty much every immoral act that has been done in the name
of
> a god or religion can be attributed to a misinterpretation of one or more
> religious principles, in which case the root of the problem is human
error,
> not the religion.
>
> As for the population control example, is your issue with religious
> attitudes, or with immoral acts done in the name of a god?
>
> --
> Rob Hammersmith
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
>
> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:ehUOUYCqCHA.1660@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > I actually lumping 3 of the main religions together... funnily enough
they
> > all pray to the same god...
> > what I'm equating to religion is that it empowers people to go beyond
> > themselves and can result in war etc.
> > religion as an excuse? no I'd say religion as the root of the problem...
> > take Catholicism's attitude to population control. To say the least, it
is
> > misinformed and dangerous.
> >
> > with regard to your second point I think some people can be influenced,
be
> > it political or religious, to do their worst.
> > they may actually be ok people, but with the added incentive of doing
> "gods
> > work" of they pop and slaughter a whole race.
> > it is both a reflection on the corruption that religious practice can
> > engender and the person who is willing to be sucked into it without
> applying
> > a modicum of common sense.
> >
> >
> > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ODQ2Lr7pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > Sounds like you are lumping all religions together. It also sounds
like
> > you
> > > are equating the extreme actions of some who practice a religion and
> > > equating it to the religion.
> > >
> > > IMHO, I think a person who was inspired to commit immoral acts by a
> > > religious interpretation is no different than a person who was
inspired
> to
> > > commit immoral acts by some random thought. The action reflects more
on
> > the
> > > person then it does on the source of the inspiration.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > >
> > >
> > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > news:uvlm6e7pCHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > good question..
> > > >
> > > > many thousands of peasants who went off on a crusade.. can't
remember
> > the
> > > > name of it but it wasn't led by a military man, rather some kind of
> > > > preacher.. john the something or other, anyway they were all
> slaughtered[color
=darkred]
> > > at
> > > > some pass in syria i think... those peasants can't all have been
> mad...
> > > > possibly ill educated, but not all mad..
> > > >
> > > > Religion is like any other form of mass indoctrination, it allows
> people
> > > to
> > > > believe they are doing right, regardless of their actions..
> > > > saving the "unbeliever" from himself by the expediant method of
> > > despatching
> > > > him to the thereafter never really worked for me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ev3lFZ7pCHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > Well your argument doesn't hold nearly as much weight if you were[/color]
to
> > say
> > > > > "Insane people becoming driven by their god to wipe out another
> > > > religion..."
> > > > > So the obvious question is, why do you assume that they are
"normal" [colo
r=darkred]
> > > > people
> > > > > and that their religion leads them in their actions, when they[/color]
just
> as
> > > > > easily could be "insane" people and their actions have more to do
> with
> > > > their
> > > > > insanity than their religion?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which to
> > > believe
> > > > > > in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people becoming
> > > driven
> > > > by
> > > > > > their god to wipe out another religion...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of
the[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > > masses...
> > > > > > honk honk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > > > > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone more
> > > capable
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a[/color]
God? [colo
r=darkred]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > > > > > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything in
> the
> > > > name
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > god
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room. And
> > > > > > > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very Big
> > > > > > > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask him
> > > > > > > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > > > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you
> Rafael
> > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
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>
>[/color]
| |
| Rob Hammersmith 2002-12-20, 10:23 am |
| Religion does not foster and nurture feelings....*People* do. People use
religious principles in order to foster and nurture, but unfortunately some
of those principles are misunderstood, but in any event it is the *people*
that are fostering and nurturing them, not the religion. I agree that the
practice of a religion can be dangerous, but the religion itself is not.
Using your logic, if history shows that doctors can malpractice medicine,
then the conclusion is that medicine is bad. My point is that the
malpractice of medicine does not make medicine bad. The root of the problem
is that humans attempt to practice it and fail. The malpractice of a
religion does not make a religion bad. The root of the problem is that
humans attempt to practice it and fail.
As for it being written by humans, it doesn't have to be a religion to take
bits and pieces of something and improve on it such that it is setup to get
people round to their way of thinking. You keep saying that you agree that
religion is just like any other club, but then keep presenting issues as if
they were unique to religion, when they are not.
--
Rob Hammersmith
MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:Ovba6wDqCHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> yes but religion foster and nurtures these feelings. But i agree religion
is
> like any other "club"... i haven't made the distinction.. but religious
> leaders try to..
> i would think it would be easier to quantify the people killed in the name
> of religion, than those saved.
> also it is humans that write religion. remember the king james bible, the
> new testement are merely bastardisations of previous works. They took out
> the bits they didn't like and no doubt improved on others. so the
religious
> network is set up to get people round to their way of thinking.
>
> for you second point.. both.. they are really one and the same
>
>
> "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OhZyTqDqCHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > Anything can go beyond oneself and result in war. It's called
inspiration.
> > Saying that religion is the root of the problem ignores every other
source
> > of inspiration that is non-religious. The root of the problem is that
> people
> > are human, not always intelligent, and tend to be lemmings. They can be
> led
> > astray by non-religious inspiration just as easily as by religious
> > inspiration. Pretty much every immoral act that has been done in the
name
> of
> > a god or religion can be attributed to a misinterpretation of one or
more
> > religious principles, in which case the root of the problem is human
> error,
> > not the religion.
> >
> > As for the population control example, is your issue with religious
> > attitudes, or with immoral acts done in the name of a god?
> >
> > --
> > Rob Hammersmith
> > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> >
> >
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:ehUOUYCqCHA.1660@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > I actually lumping 3 of the main religions together... funnily enough
> they
> > > all pray to the same god...
> > > what I'm equating to religion is that it empowers people to go beyond
> > > themselves and can result in war etc.
> > > religion as an excuse? no I'd say religion as the root of the
problem... [colo
r=darkred]
> > > take Catholicism's attitude to population control. To say the least,[/color]
it
> is
> > > misinformed and dangerous.
> > >
> > > with regard to your second point I think some people can be
influenced,
> be
> > > it political or religious, to do their worst.
> > > they may actually be ok people, but with the added incentive of doing
> > "gods
> > > work" of they pop and slaughter a whole race.
> > > it is both a reflection on the corruption that religious practice can
> > > engender and the person who is willing to be sucked into it without
> > applying
> > > a modicum of common sense.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ODQ2Lr7pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > Sounds like you are lumping all religions together. It also sounds
> like
> > > you
> > > > are equating the extreme actions of some who practice a religion and
> > > > equating it to the religion.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO, I think a person who was inspired to commit immoral acts by a
> > > > religious interpretation is no different than a person who was
> inspired
> > to
> > > > commit immoral acts by some random thought. The action reflects more
> on
> > > the
> > > > person then it does on the source of the inspiration.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:uvlm6e7pCHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > > good question..
> > > > >
> > > > > many thousands of peasants who went off on a crusade.. can't
> remember
> > > the
> > > > > name of it but it wasn't led by a military man, rather some kind
of[co
lor=darkred]
> > > > > preacher.. john the something or other, anyway they were all
> > slaughtered
> > > > at
> > > > > some pass in syria i think... those peasants can't all have been
> > mad...
> > > > > possibly ill educated, but not all mad..
> > > > >
> > > > > Religion is like any other form of mass indoctrination, it allows
> > people
> > > > to
> > > > > believe they are doing right, regardless of their actions..
> > > > > saving the "unbeliever" from himself by the expediant method of
> > > > despatching
> > > > > him to the thereafter never really worked for me.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ev3lFZ7pCHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > Well your argument doesn't hold nearly as much weight if you[/color]
were
> to
> > > say
> > > > > > "Insane people becoming driven by their god to wipe out another
> > > > > religion..."
> > > > > > So the obvious question is, why do you assume that they are
> "normal"
> > > > > people
> > > > > > and that their religion leads them in their actions, when they
> just
> > as
> > > > > > easily could be "insane" people and their actions have more to
do
> > with
> > > > > their
> > > > > > insanity than their religion?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > > because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in which
to[co
lor=darkred]
> > > > believe
> > > > > > > in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people[/color]
becoming
> > > > driven
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > their god to wipe out another religion...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate of
> the
> > > > > > masses...
> > > > > > > honk honk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > > > > > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone
more[
color=darkred]
> > > > capable
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a
> God?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > > > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > > > > > > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of anything[/color]
in
> > the
> > > > > name
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > god
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > > > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room.
And[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very[/color]
Big[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > > > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask[/color]
him[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert on
> > > > > > > > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to you
> > Rafael
> > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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| |
| billyw 2002-12-20, 11:23 am |
| so what your saying is that if the human factor was taken out of religion
then it would be fine?
I thought it was meant to be all about humanity. A bit of conflict of
interest if we apply your logic..
religion is quite different from your example of medicine. There are
religions that forbid blood transfusions for instance. Hardly trying to save
life there.
the thing also with religion is that in most cases it is benign. seldom has
a doctor come to my door attempting to talk me into joining his club. otoh
there are frequent visits from various religious orders. Like junkies they
desire to have more people taking the same "drug".
Again you could apply your logic to communism, which is actually a great
concept till human greed takes over... communism or in the soviet format of
it totalitarianism, killed many and i would say tried to replace religion,
given a few years it may have if economic benefits had followed.
The club issue... most clubs dont jump in your face and then try and foist a
life policy on you...
religion does. It is a contaminates the minds of the poor and the weak.
"Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uBFJWLEqCHA.2204@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> Religion does not foster and nurture feelings....*People* do. People use
> religious principles in order to foster and nurture, but unfortunately
some
> of those principles are misunderstood, but in any event it is the *people*
> that are fostering and nurturing them, not the religion. I agree that the
> practice of a religion can be dangerous, but the religion itself is not.
> Using your logic, if history shows that doctors can malpractice medicine,
> then the conclusion is that medicine is bad. My point is that the
> malpractice of medicine does not make medicine bad. The root of the
problem
> is that humans attempt to practice it and fail. The malpractice of a
> religion does not make a religion bad. The root of the problem is that
> humans attempt to practice it and fail.
>
> As for it being written by humans, it doesn't have to be a religion to
take
> bits and pieces of something and improve on it such that it is setup to
get
> people round to their way of thinking. You keep saying that you agree that
> religion is just like any other club, but then keep presenting issues as
if
> they were unique to religion, when they are not.
>
> --
> Rob Hammersmith
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
>
> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:Ovba6wDqCHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > yes but religion foster and nurtures these feelings. But i agree
religion
> is
> > like any other "club"... i haven't made the distinction.. but religious
> > leaders try to..
> > i would think it would be easier to quantify the people killed in the
name
> > of religion, than those saved.
> > also it is humans that write religion. remember the king james bible,
the
> > new testement are merely bastardisations of previous works. They took
out
> > the bits they didn't like and no doubt improved on others. so the
> religious
> > network is set up to get people round to their way of thinking.
> >
> > for you second point.. both.. they are really one and the same
> >
> >
> > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OhZyTqDqCHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > Anything can go beyond oneself and result in war. It's called
> inspiration.
> > > Saying that religion is the root of the problem ignores every other
> source
> > > of inspiration that is non-religious. The root of the problem is that
> > people
> > > are human, not always intelligent, and tend to be lemmings. They can
be
> > led
> > > astray by non-religious inspiration just as easily as by religious
> > > inspiration. Pretty much every immoral act that has been done in the
> name
> > of
> > > a god or religion can be attributed to a misinterpretation of one or
> more
> > > religious principles, in which case the root of the problem is human
> > error,
> > > not the religion.
> > >
> > > As for the population control example, is your issue with religious
> > > attitudes, or with immoral acts done in the name of a god?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > >
> > >
> > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ehUOUYCqCHA.1660@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > I actually lumping 3 of the main religions together... funnily
enough
> > they
> > > > all pray to the same god...
> > > > what I'm equating to religion is that it empowers people to go
beyond
> > > > themselves and can result in war etc.
> > > > religion as an excuse? no I'd say religion as the root of the
> problem...
> > > > take Catholicism's attitude to population control. To say the least,
> it
> > is
> > > > misinformed and dangerous.
> > > >
> > > > with regard to your second point I think some people can be
> influenced,
> > be
> > > > it political or religious, to do their worst.
> > > > they may actually be ok people, but with the added incentive of
doing
> > > "gods
> > > > work" of they pop and slaughter a whole race.
> > > > it is both a reflection on the corruption that religious practice
can[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > engender and the person who is willing to be sucked into it without
> > > applying
> > > > a modicum of common sense.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ODQ2Lr7pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > Sounds like you are lumping all religions together. It also sounds
> > like
> > > > you
> > > > > are equating the extreme actions of some who practice a religion[/color]
and[c
olor=darkred]
> > > > > equating it to the religion.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMHO, I think a person who was inspired to commit immoral acts by[/color]
a[col
or=darkred]
> > > > > religious interpretation is no different than a person who was
> > inspired
> > > to
> > > > > commit immoral acts by some random thought. The action reflects[/color]
more
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > person then it does on the source of the inspiration.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:uvlm6e7pCHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > > > good question..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > many thousands of peasants who went off on a crusade.. can't
> > remember
> > > > the
> > > > > > name of it but it wasn't led by a military man, rather some kind
> of
> > > > > > preacher.. john the something or other, anyway they were all
> > > slaughtered
> > > > > at
> > > > > > some pass in syria i think... those peasants can't all have been
> > > mad...
> > > > > > possibly ill educated, but not all mad..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Religion is like any other form of mass indoctrination, it
allows
> > > people
> > > > > to
> > > > > > believe they are doing right, regardless of their actions..
> > > > > > saving the "unbeliever" from himself by the expediant method of
> > > > > despatching
> > > > > > him to the thereafter never really worked for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:ev3lFZ7pCHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > > Well your argument doesn't hold nearly as much weight if you
> were
> > to
> > > > say
> > > > > > > "Insane people becoming driven by their god to wipe out
another
> > > > > > religion..."
> > > > > > > So the obvious question is, why do you assume that they are
> > "normal"
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > and that their religion leads them in their actions, when they
> > just
> > > as
> > > > > > > easily could be "insane" people and their actions have more to
> do
> > > with
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > insanity than their religion?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:uB5djR7pCHA.2460@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > > > because as con mentioned, it gives the weak a crutch in
which
> to
> > > > > believe
> > > > > > > > in.. look at the history of the crusades. Normal people
> becoming
> > > > > driven
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > their god to wipe out another religion...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i think it was marks who said that religion was the opiate
of
> > the
> > > > > > > masses...
> > > > > > > > honk honk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > news:#1zO2E7pCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> > > > > > > > > How does doing something in the name of a God make anyone
> more
> > > > > capable
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > anything than someone doing something not in the name of a
> > God?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > > > > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > > > > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:u1pTBA7pCHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > > > > > > > it's true though isn't it..
> > > > > > > > > > any one that "has religion" really is capable of
anything
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > god
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > news:e0lGU56pCHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > > > > no, make that two of us, stay away bible man
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:#e5lOs6pCHA.1640@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > > > > > > > > > > you are the only guy on here that terrifies me
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "majormike" <misslemike@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:018901c2a7a9$0fc9a4e0$d7f
82ecf@TK2MSFTNGXA14...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You better believe Jesus was in that testing room.
> And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, he does take exams. 2002 years ago was a Very
> Big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Exam that he actually passed.. Which, by the way,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > qualifies him for any forum in the world. So I ask
> him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into any test I may have in life. He's the expert
on[co
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > passing anything. And I believe it. Congrats to[/color]
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> > > Rafael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >With my Lord Jesus Christ I passed it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks Lord for that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Rafael Tejera
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| billyw 2002-12-20, 11:23 am |
| that was meant to be medicine that was benign..
duh... talk about thick
"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:#JwdvWEqCHA.2728@TK2MSFTNGP10...
> so what your saying is that if the human factor was taken out of religion
> then it would be fine?
> I thought it was meant to be all about humanity. A bit of conflict of
> interest if we apply your logic..
>
> religion is quite different from your example of medicine. There are
> religions that forbid blood transfusions for instance. Hardly trying to
save
> life there.
> the thing also with religion is that in most cases it is benign. seldom
has
> a doctor come to my door attempting to talk me into joining his club. otoh
> there are frequent visits from various religious orders. Like junkies they
> desire to have more people taking the same "drug".
>
> Again you could apply your logic to communism, which is actually a great
> concept till human greed takes over... communism or in the soviet format
of
> it totalitarianism, killed many and i would say tried to replace religion,
> given a few years it may have if economic benefits had followed.
>
> The club issue... most clubs dont jump in your face and then try and foist
a
> life policy on you...
> religion does. It is a contaminates the minds of the poor and the weak.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uBFJWLEqCHA.2204@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > Religion does not foster and nurture feelings....*People* do. People use
> > religious principles in order to foster and nurture, but unfortunately
> some
> > of those principles are misunderstood, but in any event it is the
*people*
> > that are fostering and nurturing them, not the religion. I agree that
the
> > practice of a religion can be dangerous, but the religion itself is not.
> > Using your logic, if history shows that doctors can malpractice
medicine,
> > then the conclusion is that medicine is bad. My point is that the
> > malpractice of medicine does not make medicine bad. The root of the
> problem
> > is that humans attempt to practice it and fail. The malpractice of a
> > religion does not make a religion bad. The root of the problem is that
> > humans attempt to practice it and fail.
> >
> > As for it being written by humans, it doesn't have to be a religion to
> take
> > bits and pieces of something and improve on it such that it is setup to
> get
> > people round to their way of thinking. You keep saying that you agree
that
> > religion is just like any other club, but then keep presenting issues as
> if
> > they were unique to religion, when they are not.
> >
> > --
> > Rob Hammersmith
> > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> >
> >
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:Ovba6wDqCHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP09...
> > > yes but religion foster and nurtures these feelings. But i agree
> religion
> > is
> > > like any other "club"... i haven't made the distinction.. but
religious
> > > leaders try to..
> > > i would think it would be easier to quantify the people killed in the
> name
> > > of religion, than those saved.
> > > also it is humans that write religion. remember the king james bible,
> the
> > > new testement are merely bastardisations of previous works. They took
> out
> > > the bits they didn't like and no doubt improved on others. so the
> > religious
> > > network is set up to get people round to their way of thinking.
> > >
> > > for you second point.. both.. they are really one and the same
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:OhZyTqDqCHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP12...
> > > > Anything can go beyond oneself and result in war. It's called
> > inspiration.
> > > > Saying that religion is the root of the problem ignores every other
> > source
> > > > of inspiration that is non-religious. The root of the problem is
that[
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> > > people
> > > > are human, not always intelligent, and tend to be lemmings. They can
> be
> > > led
> > > > astray by non-religious inspiration just as easily as by religious
> > > > inspiration. Pretty much every immoral act that has been done in the
> > name
> > > of
> > > > a god or religion can be attributed to a misinterpretation of one or
> > more
> > > > religious principles, in which case the root of the problem is human
> > > error,
> > > > not the religion.
> > > >
> > > > As for the population control example, is your issue with religious
> > > > attitudes, or with immoral acts done in the name of a god?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob Hammersmith
> > > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote | | |