CWNP - This sucks....

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This sucks....

Evilphil

2003-03-29, 5:47 pm

Well, looks like I'm one of the many who will have to re-test. 68%... That really sucks. considering the multiple choice multiple answer questions, that don't list all of the correct answers... Considering that there are NUMEROUS typos on the exam... Considering it was 91 question instead of 60, I feel quite cheated...

BE VERY AWARE OF VAGUE QUESTIONS!!!

One that really pissed me off was similar to this:

What protocol is specified for use with 802.1x

A. VPN
B. EAP
C. PSP
D. SNMP

Well, that's enough whining... more studying for me...

meijin

2003-03-29, 9:01 pm

Hang in there EvilPhil...I know where you are coming from...really.

Anything else you can remember that you want to share? We can all try and help out.

Evilphil

2003-03-29, 9:26 pm

What items to take with you on a site survey... There was a list of five things, multiple answer. laptop, PDA, Wireless Client Bridge and two others that were obviously not correct... I had two questions similar to this where they mentioned a client bridge instead of an access point and antennas.
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Anyhoo, I used the Study guide, and the Planet 3 practice tests... Went through the book 3 times at least, went through each seperate 110q test once, and then went through them again in one sitting for the 330 question.

Now I purchased both the Testking, and the cert21 exams. My total for studying/ taking this cert is about $350. I know this stuff inside and out... I believe there is something really fishy about how they are writing and scoring the exam.

Here was my score

RF technologies 85%
WLAN Technologies 73%
WLAN Industry 71%
WLAN Implementation 66%
WLAN Security 38%

out of 91 questions, about 20 were derived from (maybe not exact wording, but almost identical) the Planet3 Practice Exam. Others were simply knowledge of the different standards, and the multiple choice multiple answer were vague at best. I counted only around 20 questions I was not confident with. With that in mind, that would equate roughly to 78%.

I really don't understand how they categorize each question, because I only counted a handful of true "security" questions.

--IF YOU READ ANYTHING READ THIS!!!--

I have found similar questions to the ones I had on my test on other practice tests that I'm using... So they're out there, we just need to circulate the collaborative knowledge. HINT HINT

meijin

2003-03-29, 9:37 pm

Interesting...I have the Boson/Quizware exams and used them heavily. I could score 95+ on all of them and know why the answers were the way they were. But, I did not see much of a crossover to the actual test as you are saying.

I had a copy of the testking as well...but did not see much there either. Would be interested in seeing the other one though.

Did you check the site I had mentioned before that had a bit of a reference on test questions?

Evilphil

2003-03-29, 10:25 pm

quote:
Originally posted by meijin
Did you check the site I had mentioned before that had a bit of a reference on test questions?

What site is that?

By the way, I'm currently on test two of the cert21 practice exams, and have found at least 10 questions that were on my exam. These seem to resemble the actual exam more accurately than the Boson/Planet3 exam. There are some issues with some of the answers though... The current one I'm looking at says that WEP is implemented at the Physical, and Data Link layer... As far as I'm aware, these layers have nothing to do with WEP. It should be layers 3-7.

I've only seen a 2-3 issues like that thusfar... I'll keep you updated.

Evilphil

2003-03-29, 10:36 pm

oops double post...

PS- cert21 gets their verification for answers from Webopedia.

meijin

2003-03-30, 12:00 am

Check your PM Phil

yeskay

2003-03-31, 2:24 am

Evilphil,
I am currently preparing for this exam. Do you recall the no# of questions you got on security. Their website indicates a distribution of 16%. in that case you should have seen atleast 12-14 q's. Which practice test would you recommend now ?

Thanks.

meijin

2003-03-31, 8:22 am

yeskay:

I have not found anyone's material to be either:

#1. Reliable...meaning they give the wrong answers to the questions they ask.

#2. Related to the test itself. Some info is good, but not close to what is asked on the test.

We have had a rather good discussion going on for about the last two weeks. Go back and have a look at that. It will give you the experience that everyone has had. Also check the QoDs as this is information you will be seeing.

Hope that helps!

Evilphil

2003-03-31, 8:29 am

quote:
Originally posted by yeskay
Evilphil,
I am currently preparing for this exam. Do you recall the no# of questions you got on security. Their website indicates a distribution of 16%. in that case you should have seen atleast 12-14 q's. Which practice test would you recommend now ?

Thanks.

Honestly, I've seen questions from each of the practice exams I have. At this point the only thing I could recommend is to STUDY SITE SURVEY LIKE NO TOMORROW.

Remember, anytime they mention max TRANSMISSION power, they're talking about the intentional radiator.

meijin

2003-03-31, 4:09 pm

Check you PM EvilPhil!

Evilphil

2003-03-31, 7:14 pm

quote:
Originally posted by meijin
Check you PM EvilPhil!

Check yours bro.

andru

2003-04-03, 12:51 pm

Hey EvilPhil, I studied my a@# off for this exam in Dec and Jan reading three books and plenty of questions. I took the exam on Jan 30 and received a 69. Yesterday, I was browsing the cwne website and stumbled across this link

http://www.cwne.com/cwnp/after_the_exam.html

I filled out the comments explaining how i studied and prepared for the exam and felt that I got short changed with the receiving score. I asked them to review my exam and thanked them in advance. That night I recieved an email congradulating me on passing the exam. I should receive my cert in three weeks....Just a friendly tip...

dru

Evilphil

2003-04-03, 5:31 pm

Thanks to both you and Meijin. I just wrote them. I scored a 68% on the exam, and as Meijin is aware, and I myself too, we would've had to be drunk/dead to not have passed this exam. I am confident in his knowledge of this subject as well as mine, and I know that if he failed it, then somethings definitely up.

kevinator

2003-04-03, 6:19 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Evilphil
Considering it was 91 question instead of 60, I feel quite cheated...

EvilPhil,

Sorry that you feel cheated, especially on the number of questions. We did our best, including posting notices on numerous boards and on cwne.com (http://www.cwne.com/cwna/index.html) to make sure that all candidates are aware the we changed the exam last November from 60 items to 90.

Also, we did get your request to review your exam results. Be patient (1-2 weeks)...we'll get back to you with results.

Cheers,
Kevin Sandlin
CWNP Program

PS - CWSP is right around the corner...

Evilphil

2003-04-03, 6:31 pm

quote:
Originally posted by kevinator
EvilPhil,

Sorry that you feel cheated, especially on the number of questions. We did our best, including posting notices on numerous boards and on cwne.com (http://www.cwne.com/cwna/index.html) to make sure that all candidates are aware the we changed the exam last November from 60 items to 90.

Also, we did get your request to review your exam results. Be patient (1-2 weeks)...we'll get back to you with results.

Cheers,
Kevin Sandlin
CWNP Program

PS - CWSP is right around the corner...

Yeah, I saw that after getting back from the exam. I really wasn't too concerned with the number of questions, just the wording and inconcistancies. I appreciate you guys taking a look. I know that I did not score 100%, but in fairness I felt that my knowledge of the material would have been MORE than adequate to clear the requirement.

meijin

2003-04-03, 6:34 pm

Kevin:

One thing, since you are here and that is a good thing, that I would like to see is to have you develop some self-study material for the security cert and anything else that you put out. Some of us cannot afford to travel to where the classes are and don't have a company to pay for the training and expenses. I am sure you would prefer to have people there in person to teach, but that is just not going to be possible for some folks.

Devinator

2003-04-03, 10:20 pm

Hi Meijin (and others),

The CWSP Study Guide will be released shortly (NLT April 15th depending on the press company). TIP: Hands-on experience is simply a MUST to pass this exam. Many of the questions are scenario based and interactive. Get your hands on an EWG, EEG if possible, Cisco APs, Jammers, Sniffers, and anything else you can find if you're not coming to a course.

About the CWNA Exam. We feel your pain...really. Here's the scoop guys:

1. The current questions pools are huge so the random question-draw sometimes gets you more of one topic than others. This is going to be fixed by creating smaller pools with even distributions of question types.
2. Older stuff like HomeRF, WLANA, etc will be removed. More of the newer things like 802.11a, 802.11g, etc will be added.
3. Inaccuracies are being fixed from our errata list...sometimes this will include complete removal of a question.
4. Vagueness is being systematically stamped out (to a large degree). It's impossible to eliminate all vagueness without writing a whitepaper as a question (which would lead to the test being 4 hours long). We wouldn't want that would we? We hear many complaints about this, but after having 5 different people look at a question and get the same answer, we figure it's not vague anymore.
5. The new exam will remain 90 questions in 90 minutes, the price will remain the same, and the new test should be out sometime over the next 90 days (hopefully sooner). Nope, you can't quote me on that. We work as fast as possible at all times, but delays love to creep in.
6. Keep in mind that the 802.11 standard only has a very small amount of security in it...and thus, the CWNA exam covers security modestly. CWSP is the mac daddy of security.

I hope this clears a few things up for you guys. Good luck with your testing - we hope to see you all pass soon.

Devinator

2003-04-03, 10:21 pm

7. You're right about the practice test - it was created alongside the real exam in the beginning. Most of the other stuff you see out there are inaccurate braindumps. The practice test isn't meant to be a braindump, but a simulation of the real deal.

Sorry, my message was longer than the allowable 2000 characters.

Thanks for participating in the program guys.

Devin Akin
CTO, Planet3 Wireless

wirelessboy

2003-04-04, 1:25 am

all of us here in SOUTH INDIA are waiting to pounce on the CWSP study guide.
WLAN has given a new lease of life and some enthusiasm for us, (old world Govt and Milt Microwave engineers)

regards

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