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| Swigga 2002-04-03, 11:52 am |
| Hi there all. This for the teachers who might browsing this thread. Are any of you going to start teaching MCSA, and more specifically, 218. I have only seen one book on this subject, and we are thinking of ditching ISA 2000. What we would do is prepare the students for 218 instaed of 227, and I think we can do it from the same 4 core books. Exactly what does 218 cover, anyone know ??? is this a possibility to anyone ??? | |
| PotatoHead 2002-04-03, 2:36 pm |
| IMHO, if you teach 210,15,16 and 17 then there's no need to teach 218. ISA is alot more important, fun, and interesting than a 218 class would ever be. | |
| TW2001 2002-04-03, 6:32 pm |
| Whats so fun about it? I dont want to miss out. | |
| cross36 2002-04-03, 7:33 pm |
| Teaching any class is fun. If you have the right materials and the dedication. There are several billions of people out there that can learn from each and all types of classes.
Etek, by my area is teaching MCSA now solely for $1500. I was laughing. But there is people out there that want to learn. Some just can't do it on their own. | |
| TW2001 2002-04-03, 7:54 pm |
| I want to know about all the fun that taters having with ISA.
Teaching nah... | |
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| If you teach for the 218 test, then teach the MOC for it -- I believe it is the the 2126 class if memory serves... | |
| TW2001 2002-04-03, 10:17 pm |
| Bingo. | |
| secondskin 2002-04-04, 12:30 am |
| I think that once you have done the 4 core then you dont really need to be taught 218, since it covers all the topics already covered.
We did ISA sever last week and it was pretty cool, especially for logging people in the morning class who like to browse porn sites and then redirecting them to the Disney Site the following day.
As for crosses comments on some people just cant learn on there own, well I would rather be taught by qualified individuals anyday, than sitting at home reading a book. Plus it gives a bit more oomph to your resume when you have gone through a registered course for MCSE than practising at home on a 2 computer network.
Thats IMHO | |
| Swigga 2002-04-04, 5:50 am |
| I understand about 218 being like a miniature version of the four core. Our IS Administrator took it the first day it came out with no studying what so ever. He wanted to be one of the 1st 5000 MCSA's. The idea I had was to bridge a gap in IT certification. You take your 1st test and you're an MCP. That is great, but lots of students do not attempt to go the distance. One failure will frustrate them, and this usually happens around 216. There is nothing in the middle for them to shoot for. I polled my class and asked them what would be more appealing to them. Three certs or two ? They all said three, and we're going over the stuff already, why not get the extra cert. It looks great on your resume. If you could get another cert in the middle on the way to the MCSE, it might give you more leverage to get employed and experienced. That will increase the likelyhood of someone else financing your education.
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| PotatoHead 2002-04-04, 5:40 pm |
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As for crosses comments on some people just cant learn on there own, well I would rather be taught by qualified individuals anyday, than sitting at home reading a book. Plus it gives a bit more oomph to your resume when you have gone through a registered course for MCSE than practising at home on a 2 computer network.
Totally agree!!! | |
| TW2001 2002-04-04, 9:45 pm |
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Plus it gives a bit more oomph to your resume
Oh really?
Im with Cross.Ive done Onsite classes(whirlwinds) with real pro`s thats one thing.I hear an awful lot of people saying their instructors have never even been in a production environment.Yet you have guys like Freak who not only teach but know and do.I think its foolish to make such a blanket statement.
I think people like to think spending $1500 and up on an MS class in some way seperates them.I just dont see it. | |
| secondskin 2002-04-04, 10:19 pm |
| What Im saying is that I believe you gain a ton more experience at college than you would if you were sitting at home on your 2 box network.
I dont know what tinpot college you went to, but the one that I am a student at has a reputation for producing well trained MCSEs, plus the instructors are all involved in the industry.
If the college has a good reputation for producing well trained people, then employers look out for that when they hire .
It is for this reason that I said that having college training showing on your Resume will give you a bit more OOmph than someone who has learnt there MCSE at home.
If however you already working in the industry and studying for extra certs at home, then great, Im really talking about people starting fresh on the Microsoft track like me. | |
| TW2001 2002-04-05, 12:11 am |
| Excuse me.University of MD is hardly a tinpot University.
Im not going to tout its accolades.Why? Im already conviced.Thanks for the chuckle though.Good luck to you. | |
| secondskin 2002-04-05, 12:47 am |
| And all the best to you | |
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| I think that both home studying and instructor led classes each have their own pros and cons....
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well I would rather be taught by qualified individuals anyday, than sitting at home reading a book.
...for me though, when I'm self studying I know that I can break the machines anyway that I choose and fix the machines anyway that I choose - not necessarily the way that has been laid down....not all of the answers come from MOC/MS Press....people have to find their own way |
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