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Outsourcing actually creates U.S. jobs, study finds
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| Teck Shark 2004-03-31, 12:16 pm |
| I just figured I'd post a different outlook on the outsourcing issue... | |
| curiousgeorge 2004-03-31, 3:28 pm |
| I read the full report that article is referring to. btw, that article has incorrect figures.
The actual report says that over the next five years 244,000 new IT jobs will be created in the US.
What the article DOESN'T tell you is the report also says if jobs weren't outsourced, 490,000 new IT jobs would be created in the US.
So the article is trying to put a spin on the actual findings. Of course jobs will be created over the next five years. What they don't tell you is over half of them are being sent to other countries. | |
| Teck Shark 2004-03-31, 3:45 pm |
| Figures! I don't take anything to heart I read lately. Most of it is just smoke up your a$$.
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Originally posted by curiousgeorge
I read the full report that article is referring to. btw, that article has incorrect figures.
The actual report says that over the next five years 244,000 new IT jobs will be created in the US.
What the article DOESN'T tell you is the report also says if jobs weren't outsourced, 490,000 new IT jobs would be created in the US.
So the article is trying to put a spin on the actual findings. Of course jobs will be created over the next five years. What they don't tell you is over half of them are being sent to other countries.
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| DivxGuy 2004-04-16, 7:28 pm |
| You have to look at it from their perspective; you can't expect them to come out and admit that outsourcing hurts the U.S. economy and facilitates the transfer of wealth and income from the middle class to the wealthy. By wrapping themselves in the flag via the dubious claim that the economic equivlanent of strip-mining improves America, they deflect attention and criticism, while boosting their tarnished image in the public eye.
The IEEE has a very different opinion; they stated bluntly that retraining engineers and other highly trained professionals to be nurses is not the way to improve America's economic picture.
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The IEEE has a very different opinion; they stated bluntly that retraining engineers and other highly trained professionals to be nurses is not the way to improve America's economic picture.
RD
Have sanctions fallen out of favor so quickly??? | |
| badger11 2004-04-18, 7:21 pm |
| Well we knew it all along, in an Indians own words:
"G.V. Dasarthi, a mechanical engineer in India, says that developing new technologies is not yet his country's specialty. He recently wrote an online article arguing that there isn't much support for innovation or creative thinking in India. Its genuine technology prowess, he says, "is being drowned out in the hype that surrounds the outsourcing industry." The hype in the U.S. may die down as more companies figure out what work they can send overseas, and how to manage it from afar. In the meantime, the real innovation seems to be in finding new ways to sell it to an uneasy public. The latest term making its way through corporate America: "right-shoring."
Here is the url for the rest of the article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4710299/
This url backs up what G.V. said:
http://www.rediff.com/money/2004/mar/03guest1.htm | |
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| Even DoL's own site will only project that the IT industry job growth will "outpace the average job growth".
With so many companies reaching out across the ponds to bring in people (that's right) for the jobs remaining here and outsource everything they can its pretty bleak.
As far as I'm concerned any company that outsources or recruites from outside the US to fill the US jobs are aiding and abetting a situation that is only getting worse.
Bottom line is once you know who is doing it then you know who not buy products and services from.
Its a 2 way street and with a little research its not hard to figure which of the companies don't deserve the American market share that they all need. | |
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| badger11 2004-05-09, 1:22 pm |
| Here is an interesting article that I found.
Offshore proofing yourself need not involve radical shifts in Careers away from IT. Those drastic steps may not be needed if you understand what works and what does not in IT Offshoring!
Notwithstanding all the insanity with offshoring that is going right now, If you are in IT, I would not move away from it. You may just need to make sure you are in environments where offshoring does not work! Here are five simple ways to do it:
1. Positions Dependent Upon Constant Communication - Offshoring is not suitable for IT positions that are dependent upon constant communication - Business Intelligence and Reporting is one such area. Constant communication and changes are the norm rather than exceptions. This may not be because the business users are fickle. It's just the nature of Business Intelligence and Reporting.
2. Positions That Involve Lots of Internal and External Touchpoints - A good example might be IT careers in Consulting Companies that require interactions with customers here. More touchpoints mean bodies that are in the same time zones as yourself. They may try offshoring those positions but they will not work in the longer run.
3. Positions where Requirements are Changing Fast all the time - Fast growing businesses do these to you. Requirements cannot be frozen long enough for them to follow any process. That may also mean you need to be nimble on your feet, be familiar with Rapid Prototyping and faster release cycles if you are in software development. Good examples might be fast growing online companies.
4. Positions where Technology is the Core Set of Products - For Intellectual Property reasons as well as speed with which you need to do things (not very mature companies but younger ones) IT positions within such companies cannot be outsourced easily without pain. If you join a Retailer in their IT department, IT is a support process. It is subject more to outsourcing as it is not a core competency.
5. IT Careers that involve fast changing technologies
That said, already Computer Science enrollments are shrinking in schools. This may drastically alter the demand-supply equation in local IT workers favor soon. Hang in there, hide out for a while and the sun will come out. Hype machines work both ways, very optimistic and very pessimistic. Currently it is painting an unwarranted pessimistic picture. I don't believe it at all, if not for any reason other than simply what experience teaches you. | |
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| Well as long as you realize,,,,,
Most level 2 support techs started at level 1. Its at the help desk that the bulk of knowledge required for level 2 is obtained.
This is a cascade. It insures 2 things: 1 that our folks will be outside the loop when it comes to the training positions they need to get a foot in the door and 2 that the inbound door to America will be open full tilt in order to satisfy the future need for level 2 techs that are properly prepared. This will continue up the ranks. And don't kid yourself into thinking that the Wall Street investors care anything about U.S. workers. Its ALL about the MONEY not U.S. workers.
From here it is only a matter of time until there are no American IT folks anywhere but the unemployment lines. This isn't 10%, this is far more once these support staff are factored in and escalated through ALL of the IT levels.
We've seen this (Slaves for Wall Street)for so many years its not even new anymore. If they can grab a child chained to a loom in Pakistan instead of keeping a highly skilled textile worker's family housed, clothed, and educated then they will. IT is not exempt, it became a target because the wages were of an acceptable American Dream standard.
How it is anybody could not have seen this day coming is quiet beyond me. |
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