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| TempoCRT 2002-10-02, 2:03 pm |
| Get this, Last year about this time I landed Two Count em TWO interviews from this Medical Software firm. Now that I am one exam away from MCSD they wont return my calls.
I'm thinking Time out of the field as a major factor but Heck I'm studying .net and own V Studio 6. Is the market getting weak for Certs Period?
Will I now Need DBA & MCAD to Command what a descent MCSD use to? | |
| TempoCRT 2002-10-02, 2:04 pm |
| Note they are hiring again for the same job description, and wont reply to my new application & resume.
Wassup Wit Dat ? | |
| onoski 2002-10-02, 2:38 pm |
| I'd say just move on and apply for other IT positions if there is any in other company's. You have to remember that the IT market is in very sensitive times where employers are spoiled for choice when it comes to candidates, however keep your dreams alive and keep applying. Best wishes. | |
| CyberDude 2002-10-03, 9:16 am |
| Never stop hunting for that position. Just because they don't want you now, doesn't mean that you are not worth anything to someone else. Always keep looking, and an opening will appear.  | |
| onoski 2002-10-03, 11:57 am |
| How's the new job going CyberDude, am sure you're learning a lot as well as showing them who's da man. | |
| CyberDude 2002-10-04, 1:14 pm |
| I start Tuesday. I already know who the man is, and it is not me. My Director and a few others fit that bill though. Loads of experience to learn from in the company, and an exciting position to be in. I am counting the hours. | |
| RichardJW 2002-10-05, 4:03 pm |
| So you landed two interviews with this firm. Maybe they won't interview you again because they've already done that and don't want to consider you for a similiar position. However, if you really want to find out then it is perfectly reasonable to telephone them and ask why. If they are not returning your phone calls then try and talk to a manager or write them a letter and stick a stamp on it.
Probably onoski is right, you should look elsewhere but my point is that you may gain something by knowing why they won't consider you - you'd have something specific to work on in the way of improvement instead of just going off and gaining an MCSD.
Yes it is very annoying when your calls never get answered. For example, I want to wring the necks of several recruitment agents myself. In fact, I think that agencies should be properly regulated with a watchdog due to their exceedingly poor attitude, their misleading information etc. etc. etc. Steer clear of them if you can. | |
| CyberDude 2002-10-06, 1:38 pm |
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For example, I want to wring the necks of several recruitment agents myself. In fact, I think that agencies should be properly regulated with a watchdog due to their exceedingly poor attitude, their misleading information etc. etc. etc.
I have to agree with you on this one Richard. I have had no luck what so ever with them. They always accept your resume, just so their database looks good. They only start working for you once you have a good few years under your belt, and have had the fortunate experience of actually been employed via them before. | |
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| DivxGuy 2003-04-08, 3:00 pm |
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Is the market getting weak for Certs Period?
Uhh, yeah!
Seriously, the MCSD is intended to be augment real-world work experience, preferable accompanied by at least a four-year degree. If you don't have plenty of the former, along with the latter, in this tight market you are going to have serious difficulty finding a position.
RD (who figured this out and is currently working on a degree)
P.S. the VS .NET Professional Academic sells for around $80 online, and it's the same product as the regular version. You have to be enrolled in at least one accredited post-secondary course to qualify, though (that's how I got my $80 copy). | |
| Kasor 2003-04-17, 10:06 am |
| There are always hope... and IT need programmer on .net and DBA | |
| groversyck 2003-04-19, 10:26 pm |
| I am the Cincinnati, Ohio area. The job market is very tight here. From what I can find out, there are many aps for every opening. (with several well qualified ones) I have been out of work for 6 months. So far I have had 4 interviews. No seconds. ( 2 were "cattle calls") I have sent out on average 4 resumes a week.
That is another thing that is an iritant. Most openings I see only have a an email address and / or a fax number. Many do not even have the employers name.
I do not see any great improvement in the forseable future. My personal opinion is, it will be teh spring of '05, if we drop kick Bush. Other wise it is going worse.
Some places are trying to take of advantage of the situation, or they have no idea of what they are asking for. I saw an add for one job a few weeks ago. The only person I know who could fill most of what they were wanting was making over 100K 5 years ago. The add offered 15 to 17 an hour.
Grover Syck
gsyck@cinci.rr.com | |
| DivxGuy 2003-04-19, 10:48 pm |
| It's just as bad here; I saw a CBCpiece on the Vancouver IT market, and a prominent local recruiter stated that for every open position, there were six qualified applicants. One of the bigger local companies, CREO, filled 384 positions last week...and received nearly 24,000 applications. Apparently one of the problems at work is that the universities, colleges, and tech schools are putting out large numbers of new graduates who had originally enrolled back in the last days of the Internet bubble, and there just aren't jobs for them.
A bright spot may be trades, which are starting to experience labor shortages, due to large scale retirements. When I finish my IT degree, I may go in for an auto body apprenticeship. The apprenticeship is four years, and a journeyman makes from $45,000 to $85,000 in this area; very few IT people here do better than that, no matter how much education they have.
One of my instructors told me last night that there has been a 50% drop in people signing up for the courses needed for the BTech IT program, a sign that the allure has faded regarding IT as a career.
RD | |
| onoski 2003-04-20, 5:36 am |
| The UK IT job market is even thrice as worse when compared to the USA. I believe IT has reached a stage where it can be said it's not a secure career path. | |
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| Sexy Lexy 2003-04-20, 8:26 am |
| The IT market is depressed at the moment, and I fear that it will take until next year for the situation to change.
Numerous reasons for this include the economy, the market flooded with paper certs and a drop in IT wages, all of which has had a compound effect on IT in the UK.
Even the European contract market is on its knees at the moment so a recovery looks a long way off at the moment.
And from reading various threads, it appears that the US market is in the same situation.
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| mung720 2003-04-21, 5:23 pm |
| its the economy stupid if you want to blame a president blame clinton. (I know what your think not another clinton basher. but hear me out.) if you look at the market bush inherited a bad economy. 6 months before bush took office the economy started going down. Clinton built the economy on a house of cards. espicialy the tech sector of the economy. Think enron, global crossing, MCI world com. ect. many of these companys overstated their earnings and borowed way more money than they should have and guess who approved most of these lones many clinton cabinet members. and guess who had the gumption to investigate these company not clinton but bush. Coruption aside many of these e-stocks were way over rated in the first place. but if you want to see economic growth especialy in the market cut taxes cause god knows the second i pay off my debts I am sticking the money in the stock market. could write tons more on this issue but some thing tells me you have already lost interest. God bless our troups and our president & please pray for them. | |
| groversyck 2003-04-21, 5:29 pm |
| True, Shrub inhereted a market starting down, but everything he has done has made it worse.
He and company are a collection of incompident bafoons.
But lets end the politics.
Toeach his own. | |
| DivxGuy 2003-04-21, 5:36 pm |
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Numerous reasons for this include the economy, the market flooded with paper certs and a drop in IT wages, all of which has had a compound effect on IT in the UK.
Add to that overinvestment in IT during the '90s, the fact that IT infrastructure investment can be put off (boosting short-term profits), and offshore outsourcing to low-wage countries.
RD | |
| mung720 2003-04-21, 5:50 pm |
| baffon??? how many of you guys can clame that you have a degree from an ivy leage school. People keep on charitising him as stupid just because he is from the south. come on you would probly cartirize me as stupid because im from the south. Continue to under estimate the man and he has done nothing but amaze. if you futher want to question his inteligence go talk to condiliza rice who has exhonerated the president for his intelgence.your all making a big mistake. | |
| ndevine8930 2003-04-21, 7:27 pm |
| Let's not be so hasty to brag without all the facts:
"Why was the Andover dean so concerned about Bush's prospects at Yale? Perhaps he glanced at Bush's SAT score of 1206 - 566 verbal and 640 math, above average but nowhere near the level needed for acceptance at an Ivy League school. (According to Cecil Adams, who writes the Straight Dope column, Bush's score was almost 200 points lower than the average for Yale freshmen circa 1970.)"
Face it, his fathers influence and money got him in there. I can go on for days to, but as was said this is a tech forum, take the politics elsewhere. | |
| Dismantler 2003-04-22, 9:37 am |
| Don't feel too bad. I'm in Indiana (A severely economically depressed state) and the job market is no better here.
I have 16 years experience in the industry spanning sales, management, executive, support, installation, troubleshooting, etc.
Also have many certs (2 CNE's, MCSE, NNCDS, A+, Compaq ASE, and others, Cisco certs in progress...)
I'm getting interviews, a few have turned into offers. Get this though - none of them worth taking (Who wants to work in the Sears Tower installing desktops for $50K?!?!?). I have to be able to make my bills, and considering in most cases these offers are 30-50% less than I was making at Nortel last year. It doesn't look good.
Surely one day these idiots will pull their head out of their butts and offer a salary worth taking...
Fortunately, there aren't huge droves of highly qualified people here in Indy. I really feel for one of my friends, he was laid off at the same time (13th round) and lives near Silicon Valley. There are hordes of applicants for every position out there...
There. Now I feel better, LOL. | |
| DivxGuy 2003-04-22, 1:14 pm |
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Who wants to work in the Sears Tower installing desktops for $50K?!?!?
I wouldn't want to work in the Sears Tower, but $50K sounds very lucrative compared to the minimum wage that IT positions out here offer.
RD | |
| groversyck 2003-04-22, 1:19 pm |
| Unfortunatly in the forseeable future a 30% to 50% cut may be the best offer you will get. That is about what I am seeing here in Cincinnati.
Saw one add for a tech that basicly described someone I had worked with. They were offering $20K. From what I had herd, he was making $100K+ 5 years ago. He was "the man".
It is a buyers market at the moment. Some are unscrupliouys. They got us over a barrel, and they are going to stick it in. | |
| Dismantler 2003-04-22, 1:38 pm |
| But only if you let them.
I've been told I'm going to receive an offer today or tomorrow from a company I interviewed with last week, the pay cut in this case is more on the order of 15-20%. That I can deal with. 30-50% is just them big apple dreaming on a wooden floor in my opinion. I've enjoyed turning down their stupid lowball offers...
I was fortunate to have quite a stockpile of savings held back, so I can afford to wait a bit for jobs that pay more. They are out there...
These companies that are offering such low pay MUST realize that these people will take those low-paying jobs, get better certs, and then re-enter the market to obtain a job that pays them something more approaching what they are worth. Hehe, in the meantime, they do get some cheap slave labor.
Don't despair folks, the job is out there... | |
| JayUKRemy 2003-04-22, 3:43 pm |
| I understand where your coming from - we shouldn't accept little money but with people who have been redundant for a long time it's very hard not to accept the first thing that comes along. I've not worked as a programmer for over 12 months now and you can be sure I'm taking the first thing comes my way - purley so I can get back on the career ladder.
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| anchor40 2003-04-22, 3:50 pm |
| If you've got free time, consider volunteering at a non-profit org (church, civic group, etc) and put it on your resume.
It'll show the employers that you've got initiative, and really enjoy the work - not just in it for money (ok so that was 3 years ago).  | |
| DivxGuy 2003-04-22, 3:57 pm |
| I'm looking at an apprenticeship in auto body when my BTech program is finished (which should be early next year). There are no signs that the economy is going to improve by then, and I will have been out of work for two and a half years, and I cannot put off finding an income any longer. Someone suggested a Masters program, but enough is enough; there are few assurances that it will lead to anything more lucrative than a Sandwich Artist position at Subway, and I've got better things to do with my time and money than squander it becoming a very well-educated hamburger flipper.
RD | |
| Dismantler 2003-04-22, 4:03 pm |
| Would you like fries with that? LOL
Let's not let the situation get us down too much. Things are tough all over...
When you are finished at Subway, you can come to McD's and I'll make you a sandwich.
That'll make things all better!! | |
| DivxGuy 2003-04-22, 4:12 pm |
| I'm not bitter, but at some point we all have to stop throwing good resources after bad, and accept that our futures like outside the IT industry. The industry and its proponents do not owe us jobs, but they do owe us honesty as to what the real long term prospects for the industry are.
RD | |
| JayUKRemy 2003-04-22, 5:04 pm |
| Chris..... (i'm I allowed to swear!!!)
DivxGuy, with your certifications I would have thought the world bowed at your feet. It's only now I realise the state of this god for saken industry is doomed and will never be how it was - I've only got one MCP towards my MCSD but if I can't get back in after I get my MCSD I'm trying another game. | |
| DivxGuy 2003-04-22, 5:51 pm |
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DivxGuy, with your certifications I would have thought the world bowed at your feet.
I wasn't expecting that, but I had hoped that by earning the certifications, I would have some sort of prospects that paid better than minimum wage. I was wrong.
I'd like to stay in this industry, and I'm willing to make an effort to do so, but I can't wait forever for the companies to loosen up on their hiring.
RD | |
| JayUKRemy 2003-04-22, 6:07 pm |
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Originally posted by anchor40
If you've got free time, consider volunteering at a non-profit org (church, civic group, etc) and put it on your resume.
That sounds like a good idea. I'm working as a barmen at the moment but if I could get some voluntry work using my programming skills that will look good. every little bit helps as they say !!! |
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